Is Giannis having a greater 2021 playoff run than LeBron ever had in his career?

[dreamshake]

29/13/5/1/1 on 56% FG

:lebronamazed:

[Spurs m8]

Didn't collude either

[HunterSThompson]

silly wabbit. you cannot pit Kang Kong vs Giantic Anthicktondacumpow

we are the same team


team 2 way

[AirBonner]

Are the Suns a 73 win team? How many all stars on the Bucks?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yeah i would say so. More dominant on both ends. Also had to beat Durant in the east. Booker is like 10x better then klay and chris paul holds his own with curry.

[HoopsNY]

No. This thread is absurd.

[8Ball]

Yeah i would say so. More dominant on both ends. Also had to beat Durant in the east. Booker is like 10x better then klay and chris paul holds his own with curry.

Better than Kawhi's playoff runs.

Doesn't yet match what LeBron did in 2009, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2018, 2020

[dreamshake]

Didn't collude either

This is probably the single most important differentiating fact about Giannis’s run.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah i would say so. More dominant on both ends. Also had to beat Durant in the east. Booker is like 10x better then klay and chris paul holds his own with curry.

Yea 2021 Chris Paul def holds his own with MVP Curry

[Axe]

Amazeballs

[ShawkFactory]

I wouldn’t say so, no.

[Rudeboy3]

Yes, lebron is a fraud who needs to team up with supertsar players to win, Giannis is doing it organically

[ELITEpower23]

Great question OP.

# of players with 30.0 Playoff PER thru the Finals

LeBron: 6x
MJ: 2x
Shaq: 1x
Giannis: 0x

He is currently at 26.8 so he has a chance to crack into nearly uncharted territories being a member of the 30.0 PER thru Finals Club.

If he goes absolutely nuclear for the remainder of the Finals he has a slim chance, meaning if he does this he will match 1 of LeBron's 6 greatest runs. Keep up the good work LeGiannis, only five more to tie LeKing.

[ELITEpower23]

Yes, lebron is a fraud who needs to team up with supertsar players to win, Giannis is doing it organically

Meltdown

2021 Finals
Points: Giannis
Rebounds: Ayton
Assists: Jrue
Steals: Jrue
Blocks: Ayton

Giannis is 1 for 5 (20%)

2016 Finals
Points: LeBron
Rebounds: LeBron
Assists: LeBron
Steals: LeBron
Blocks: LeBron

LeBron is 5 for 5 (100%)

For anyone wondering how close Giannis was to LeBron's greatest playoff run. Let's come back down to reality, LeGiannis still has time to improve.

[Bronbron23]

Yeah i would say so. More dominant on both ends. Also had to beat Durant in the east. Booker is like 10x better then klay and chris paul holds his own with curry.

10x bettet than klay? Maybe one of the most craziest things i heard on here and that's saying alot. He isn't even 1x better than klay and i like booker alot.

[ralph_i_el]

LeBron 2012 is better I think faced a tougher path too. His last two games against the Celtics probably are a good marker of LeBron entering his absolute peak.

[Manny98]

No because 2/4 series his opponents best player was injured, and Lebron still beats Giannis statistically, (higher PER,BPM,WS)

However you could argue that Giannis is having a better finals than any of LeBrons finals minus 2016

[HunterSThompson]

LeBron 2012 is better I think faced a tougher path too. His last two games against the Celtics probably are a good marker of LeBron entering his absolute peak.

2018 and 2014 are above even that historic run when factoring in BPM, VORP, win shares and PER

[ELITEpower23]

No because 2/4 series his opponents best player was injured, and Lebron still beats Giannis statistically, (higher PER,BPM,WS)

However you could argue that Giannis is having a better finals than any of LeBrons finals minus 2016

Nothing in history is above 2018. Point-blank period.
Same with 2016 and 2012.

Maybe after LeBron's 6th run we can slide Giannis into the conversation but a PER under 30.0 is where the discussion begins meaning once Giannis gets there we'll open up the discussion.

[ralph_i_el]

2018 and 2014 are above even that historic run when factoring in BPM, VORP, win shares and PER

I don't care about stats.

[SATAN]

Yea 2021 Chris Paul def holds his own with MVP Curry

:lol

[ELITEpower23]

Great question OP. Here's a short list to get this discussion started, feel free to educate yourself.

# of players with 30.0 Playoff PER thru the Finals
LeBron: 6x
MJ: 2x
Shaq: 1x
*Giannis: 0x

*He is currently at 26.8 so he has a chance to crack into nearly uncharted territories by becoming a member of the 30.0 PER thru Finals Club.

If Giannis goes absolutely nuclear for the remainder of the Finals he has a slim chance to do it, meaning if he gets there he will match 1 of LeBron's 6 greatest 30.0 PER runs.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[Bronbron23]

Great question OP. Here's a short list to get this discussion started, feel free to educate yourself.

# of players with 30.0 Playoff PER thru the Finals
LeBron: 6x
MJ: 2x
Shaq: 1x
*Giannis: 0x

*He is currently at 26.8 so he has a chance to crack into nearly uncharted territories by becoming a member of the 30.0 PER thru Finals Club.

If Giannis goes absolutely nuclear for the remainder of the Finals he has a slim chance to do it, meaning if he gets there he will match 1 of LeBron's 6 greatest 30.0 PER runs.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

Imagine using per as an argument. Just shows a lack of understanding for the game. Anyone who dominates the ball and plays in a ball dominant system like bron, luka or harden are gonna have crazy per numbers. The systems are built around them making a play for themselves or someone else. In a team system like the warriors or the bulls with the triangle the player has to fit into the system. Half the time the ball in their hands it's to move it and cut. They're gonna have way more empty possessions.

You really don't know the game very well do you:facepalm

[Spurs m8]

Imagine using per as an argument. Just shows a lack of understanding for the game. Anyone who dominates the ball and plays in a ball dominant system like bron, luka or harden are gonna have crazy per numbers. The systems are built around them making a play for themselves or someone else. In a team system like the warriors or the bulls with the triangle the player has to fit into the system. Half the time the ball in their hands it's to move it and cut. They're gonna have way more empty possessions.

You really don't know the game very well do you:facepalm

That goes without saying...

Hes the one the dumber ones

Fake memphis fan, slurping bron at any chance

[ClipperRevival]

I don't care about stats.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/aeee80ee41103536a606c8635eaa0e69/tenor.gif?itemid=5227254

[ELITEpower23]

Imagine using per as an argument. Just shows a lack of understanding for the game. Anyone who dominates the ball and plays in a ball dominant system like bron, luka or harden are gonna have crazy per numbers. The systems are built around them making a play for themselves or someone else. In a team system like the warriors or the bulls with the triangle the player has to fit into the system. Half the time the ball in their hands it's to move it and cut. They're gonna have way more empty possessions.

You really don't know the game very well do you:facepalm

Why don't you Google what PER even stands for and then we can end this discussion because for you to not know just shows a lack of understanding for the game. It's the greatest metric to use for a Playoff run.

[Bronbron23]

Why don't you Google what PER even stands for and then we can end this discussion because for you to not know just shows a lack of understanding for the game. It's the greatest metric to use for a Playoff run.

Bruh i know what per is. It's been proven by countless people in countless articles as why its in effective in determining true impact in relation to winning. Here's one article and there's a shit ton of others https://paceandspacehoops.com/per-is-a-garbage-stat-and-we-should-stop-using-it/. Per has been proven in effective more than a decade ago. Only weirdo bron stans still use it.

[Axe]

Why don't you Google what PER even stands for and then we can end this discussion because for you to not know just shows a lack of understanding for the game. It's the greatest metric to use for a Playoff run.
@Roundball Rock

[basketballcat]

Better than Kawhi's playoff runs.

Huh?

Giannis this year* vs Kawhi on the Raptors in the playoffs
PER: 26.8 vs 27.9 (Kawhi)
VORP: 2.2 vs 2.9 (Kawhi, 8th all time single season)
box +/-: 9.4 vs 10.1 (Kawhi)
win shares: 3.3 vs 4.9 (Kawhi, 6th all time single season)

Let's not forget that it was also against a prime (MVP) Giannis.

Kawhi's 2019 run was one of the most alpha ever.

[Rudeboy3]

Huh?

Giannis this year* vs Kawhi on the Raptors in the playoffs
PER: 26.8 vs 27.9 (Kawhi)
VORP: 2.2 vs 2.9 (Kawhi, 8th all time single season)
box +/-: 9.4 vs 10.1 (Kawhi)
win shares: 3.3 vs 4.9 (Kawhi, 6th all time single season)

Let's not forget that it was also against a prime (MVP) Giannis.

Kawhi's 2019 run was one of the most alpha ever.

Prime? Giannis was 24 and hadn't officially won MVP yet

[Rudeboy3]

Giannis two way dominance shits all over whatever LeBron has ever done in his playoff career. If it wasn't for that game 4 hawks game where he got injured, he'd be averaging 30/13/5 throughout the entire playoffs. something lebron has never done and will never do

[Bronbron23]

Why don't you Google what PER even stands for and then we can end this discussion because for you to not know just shows a lack of understanding for the game. It's the greatest metric to use for a Playoff run.

So bron has the best help ever than in ad?

[Meticode]

Nope. LeBron has had multiple playoffs runs statically better than Giannis. Just throw up three point average or clutch shots or free throw percentage up there and he crushes Giannis in offensive output.

[basketballcat]

Prime? Giannis was 24 and hadn't officially won MVP yet

Are we really going to split hairs as to exactly when the MVP award was announced? That MVP was for Giannis' body of work on the 2018 - 2019 regular season. That body of work, which was awarded the MVP, was before Kawhi defeated him in a playoff series on that same season. That year, Giannis had the highest regular season WS and VORP of his career including up to now. He was clearly in his prime.

[dreamshake]

Giannis two way dominance shits all over whatever LeBron has ever done in his playoff career. If it wasn't for that game 4 hawks game where he got injured, he'd be averaging 30/13/5 throughout the entire playoffs. something lebron has never done and will never do

That two way game

[ELITEpower23]

Giannis two way dominance shits all over whatever LeBron has ever done in his playoff career. If it wasn't for that game 4 hawks game where he got injured, he'd be averaging 30/13/5 throughout the entire playoffs. something lebron has never done and will never do

As we've mentioned before, LeBron has accumulated 6 total 30.0 PER runs through the playoffs. Giannis has done this zero times. Is 2021 his 1st chance, I guess we'll just have to watch and see.

[Bronbron23]

As we've mentioned before, LeBron has accumulated 6 total 30.0 PER runs through the playoffs. Giannis has done this zero times. Is 2021 his 1st chance, I guess we'll just have to watch and see.

Per again eh. What's AD per in the playoffs?:oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

Per again eh. What's AD per in the playoffs?:oldlol:

In 1st round defeats? :lol Careful baby boi :lol

[HoopsNY]

Meltdown

2021 Finals
Points: Giannis
Rebounds: Ayton
Assists: Jrue
Steals: Jrue
Blocks: Ayton

Giannis is 1 for 5 (20%)

2016 Finals
Points: LeBron
Rebounds: LeBron
Assists: LeBron
Steals: LeBron
Blocks: LeBron

LeBron is 5 for 5 (100%)

For anyone wondering how close Giannis was to LeBron's greatest playoff run. Let's come back down to reality, LeGiannis still has time to improve.

Exactly. Not to mention, Cleveland beat an all-time great 73 win team. Milwaukee is facing a team that shouldn't even be in the finals.

[Bronbron23]

In 1st round defeats? :lol Careful baby boi :lol

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

PER takes a players raw numbers and tell us how efficient they are.

Its not bad. You just gotta know how and when to use it. Like, I wouldn't bring it up when talking defense. :lol Same with other catch-all stats like winshares and BPM.

[kawhileonard2]

Didn't collude either

Also wouldn't have switchted teams to try to win his first title. Would have done it for the franchise that drafted him.

[CountDracula]

It’s my honor, to officially welcome Air Giannis to the Familia! Make some noise!

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[dreamshake]

PER takes a players raw numbers and tell us how efficient they are.

Its not bad. You just gotta know how and when to use it. Like, I wouldn't bring it up when talking defense. :lol Same with other catch-all stats like winshares and BPM.

AD would be the third best player of all time if we just go by PER :lol

[red1]

giannis is 1-game from being annointed a member of the james-gang


he's very close to meeting the criteria one more all-time finals block and finals close-out should do the trick

[TheMan]

Giannis already surpassed Bran on my GOAT list. No collusion, 2 MVPs with more surely to come and winning with his original franchise. :bowdown:

[3ba11]

Are the Suns a 73 win team? How many all stars on the Bucks?


16' Warriors were one of many great regular season teams that proved bad in the playoffs - see the 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, and 16' Warriors..

The Curry Warriors weren't championship-caliber because Lebron almost beat them by himself in 15' and then Kyrie/Lebron beat them in 16, while Kawhi beat them on his vacation in 2019

And Kawhi beat the experienced, dominant version of Curry/Klay (32 and 26 ppg), while Lebron beat the inexperienced, bed-wetting Curry/Klay (22 and 19 ppg)

[red1]

16' Warriors were one of many great regular season teams that proved bad in the playoffs - see the 07' Mavs, 09' Cavs, and 16' Warriors..

The Curry Warriors weren't championship-caliber because Lebron almost beat them by himself in 15' and then Kyrie/Lebron beat them in 16, while Kawhi beat them on his vacation in 2019

And Kawhi beat the experienced, dominant version of Curry/Klay (32 and 26 ppg), while Lebron beat the inexperienced, bed-wetting Curry/Klay (22 and 19 ppg)

Quatrooooo!!!!!!!

[TheCorporation]

Great question OP. Here's a short list to get this discussion started, feel free to educate yourself.

# of players with 30.0 Playoff PER thru the Finals
LeBron: 6x
MJ: 2x
Shaq: 1x
*Giannis: 0x

*He is currently at 26.8 so he has a chance to crack into nearly uncharted territories by becoming a member of the 30.0 PER thru Finals Club.

If Giannis goes absolutely nuclear for the remainder of the Finals he has a slim chance to do it, meaning if he gets there he will match 1 of LeBron's 6 greatest 30.0 PER runs.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

This

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[Bronbron23]

This

/thread

Cool but that means ad is the greatest help ever. I'm good with that. Are u?

[Airupthere]

Giannis already surpassed Bran on my GOAT list. No collusion, 2 MVPs with more surely to come and winning with his original franchise. :bowdown:

This. Finally someone to end the collusion era ushered in by lebron.

[TheCorporation]

Cool but that means ad is the greatest help ever. I'm good with that. Are u?

LeBron's the greatest player to ever play, so of course it makes sense he'd elevate his teammates to great heights, see: 2016 Kyrie, 2020 Davis.

[dreamshake]

30/13/5/1/1 on 57% FG :bow down:

[And1AllDay]

Great question OP. Here's a short list to get this discussion started, feel free to educate yourself.

# of players with 30.0 Playoff PER thru the Finals
LeBron: 6x
MJ: 2x
Shaq: 1x
*Giannis: 0x

*He is currently at 26.8 so he has a chance to crack into nearly uncharted territories by becoming a member of the 30.0 PER thru Finals Club.

If Giannis goes absolutely nuclear for the remainder of the Finals he has a slim chance to do it, meaning if he gets there he will match 1 of LeBron's 6 greatest 30.0 PER runs.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

he ended at like 27.8

so iissaaaaa wraaap

:dancin

[bullettooth]

LeBron's the greatest player to ever play.

:oldlol::oldlol::oldlol::oldlol: