60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have two COVID jabs

[keep-itreal]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/


LONDON, July 19 (Reuters) - Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance said on Monday that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine.

"In terms of the number of people in hospital who've been double vaccinated, we know it's around 60% of the people being admitted to hospital with COVID," Vallance said.

#vaxxgang be like.....


Exactly. I think the misinformation out there about vaccines is crazy.

Vaccines do not prevent covid. It's suppose to prevent you from getting hospitalized.

This isn't new. If you got a flu shot you can still get the flu, it just wouldn't be as bad.


i usually don't reply to dumbass elementary threads like this, but if op any had actual knowledge or genuine curiosity on the subject aside from just being a flag waving political hack, he'd know that you can still test positive for covid even if you've received the vaccine. the difference is that you more than likely won't be hospitalized, get very sick, or end up dead from the virus.

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[warriorfan]

Vax cucks melting hard. :roll:

[Long Duck Dong]

We obviously need more data. But it's disappointing to see more people, who have had 2 vaccines, dying in UK hospitals of the Delta variant than people who haven't had any vaccine. Obviously most of the people who have died were older, and older people are at least 80% vaccinated so the figures are skewed. But if the vaccine really had a huge impact on the newer variants you'd think most of the people dying would be unvaccinated.

I'm vaccinated and so are my parents so I obviously want the vaccine to work but I'm not going to lie, the vaccine isn't as good as I thought it was going to be.

[BurningHammer]

For a redditer about the same article:


One of the most disheartening things is how misleading the media is.
With an adult population over 50 that is 90% vaccinated, this figure implies strong vaccine efficacy as you measure the proportion of unvaccinated hospitalized people with the proportion of vaccinated hospitalized people.
So if 6 of 10 people in the hospital are vaccinated, and 90 out of 100 people are vaccinated, you have 6/90 vaccinated people in the hospital compared to 4/10 unvaccinated for a vaccine efficacy rate of 84%.
Shamefully omitted from the article is the advisers quote demonstrating that he knows these vaccines are still effective:
"They're very, very effective, but not 100%, and as a higher proportion of the population is double vaccinated, it's inevitable that those 10% of that very large number remain at risk, and therefore will be amongst the people who both catch the infection and end up in hospital."

Moreover, some of the people in the unvaccinated group are recovered patients, which makes the proportion seem closer than it really is as it’s unlikely to adjust for this.

[BurningHammer]

Also,

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-60-people-being-172700971.html


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Mon., July 19, 2021, 1:27 p.m.



Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, the government's chief scientific adviser has said.
Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for in double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was incorrect.
He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.
"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID (https://news.sky.com/topic/covid-19-8518) are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

[hiphopanonymous]

I know nothing about the UK or what vaccines they even use but I read in that same vaguely cited article chain circulating that 65% of the UK over age 30 has already been double vaccinated and 88% have had at least 1. They greatly outnumber the unvaccinated at this point with whatever vaccines they're using.

More relevant to me at least is what's going on in this U.S. and can be cross checked with peer reviewed CDC data:

"As of July 6, the CDC reported 5,186 cases of breakthrough Covid-19 cases that led to deaths or hospitalizations among 157 million fully vaccinated people in the US"
In other words, one in every 30,000 people still got hospitalized or died from Covid-19 in the U.S. after being vaccinated.

EPIC LOSS YOU VAXX LOSERS - right?

Well if you dial back the clock to the pre-vaccine days the numbers extrapolated from data collecting like this:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm
Pointed to 1 in ever 10 people (everyone unvaccinated at the time of course) catching covid requiring hospitalization.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html
Here's a moving scale that you can scan across different timelines. You can see early on anywhere from 5-10% hospitalization rates early on until the really big spike around January 2021 just before vaccinations began went as high as a 20% hospitalization rate overall (72% of people diagnosed over the age of 65). Meaning 1 in 5 people testing positive wound up in a hospital at that time and almost 3 out of 4 over the age of 65 requiring hospitalization.

Of course after the vaccines started rolling out targeting the weakest groups first those numbers plummeted and then plummeted again after it became widely available. Now only 2.6% of Covid-19 illnesses require hospitalization.

In other words of that 1 in 30,000 vaccinated people unlucky enough to still require a trip to the hospital, the 780 people they are surrounded by in that same hospital unit also being treated with Covid never got vaccinated.

[FultzNationRISE]

For a redditer about the same article:


The same people (you) who were completely uninterested in taking context into account when the media was originally trumpeting out new death tolls - which were largely fueled by 90 year olds with pre-existing conditions (BREAKING NEWS*!*!*!* COVID DEATH TOLL REACHES 250,000,000!!!!**) -

Are now suddenly "disappointed in the media shamefully omitting context"

:roll:

[hiphopanonymous]

Yikes OP, read your article again it and every single other article that spread this non-story was just revised to unvaccinated - this all began because of someone misspeaking. You wished so badly it were true though :oldlol:

[FultzNationRISE]

Yikes OP, read your article again it and every single other article that spread this non-story was just revised to unvaccinated - this all began because of someone misspeaking. You wished so badly it were true though :oldlol:

So the admittance rate of the vaccinated is 40%?

Tbh I don't care about this topic one way or another any longer, more just interested in the clarifying what exactly you're asserting, since it isn't particularly clear. You just made a separate thread saying the Cleveland Clinic claimed only 1% of Covid admissions were of those vaccinated.

So in Britain it's 40% of people vaccinated are ending up in hospitals, in America it's 1%?

[Manny98]

I know nothing about the UK or what vaccines they even use but I read in that same vaguely cited article chain circulating that 65% of the UK over age 30 has already been double vaccinated and 88% have had at least 1. They greatly outnumber the unvaccinated at this point with whatever vaccines they're using.

More relevant to me at least is what's going on in this U.S. and can be cross checked with peer reviewed CDC data:

"As of July 6, the CDC reported 5,186 cases of breakthrough Covid-19 cases that led to deaths or hospitalizations among 157 million fully vaccinated people in the US"
In other words, one in every 30,000 people still got hospitalized or died from Covid-19 in the U.S. after being vaccinated.

EPIC LOSS YOU VAXX LOSERS - right?

Well if you dial back the clock to the pre-vaccine days the numbers extrapolated from data collecting like this:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm
Pointed to 1 in ever 10 people (everyone unvaccinated at the time of course) catching covid requiring hospitalization.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html
Here's a moving scale that you can scan across different timelines. You can see early on anywhere from 5-10% hospitalization rates early on until the really big spike around January 2021 just before vaccinations began went as high as a 20% hospitalization rate overall (72% of people diagnosed over the age of 65). Meaning 1 in 5 people testing positive wound up in a hospital at that time and almost 3 out of 4 over the age of 65 requiring hospitalization.

Of course after the vaccines started rolling out targeting the weakest groups first those numbers plummeted and then plummeted again after it became widely available. Now only 2.6% of Covid-19 illnesses require hospitalization.

In other words of that 1 in 30,000 vaccinated people unlucky enough to still require a trip to the hospital, the 780 people they are surrounded by in that same hospital unit also being treated with Covid never got vaccinated.
Meltdown

[bladefd]

Also,

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-60-people-being-172700971.html

You just murdered the OP with a knockout punch. Not like facts will matter to them.

They are the same morons who felt no precautions should be taken because it only impacts old people.. Yeah, the old people are irrelevant - if they die then they die :facepalm

[BurningHammer]

You just murdered the OP with a knockout punch. Not like facts will matter to them.

They are the same morons who felt no precautions should be taken because it only impacts old people.. Yeah, the old people are irrelevant - if they die then they die :facepalm
They probably don't plan to get old anyway. :oldlol:

[n00bie]

You guys try so hard to rationalize your decisions to not get the vaccine.

Just stand by your decision and keep living your life guys. No need to try to convince us to change our minds.

I went on a packed ferry boat yesterday with no social distancing at all. I don't think I would have done the same without getting vaccinated but thats just me.

Stay safe out there guys.

[n00bie]

Yikes OP, read your article again it and every single other article that spread this non-story was just revised to unvaccinated - this all began because of someone misspeaking. You wished so badly it were true though :oldlol:

You know some people are going to treat that article as a fact for years to come.

[coin24]

I know nothing about the UK or what vaccines they even use but I read in that same vaguely cited article chain circulating that 65% of the UK over age 30 has already been double vaccinated and 88% have had at least 1. They greatly outnumber the unvaccinated at this point with whatever vaccines they're using.

More relevant to me at least is what's going on in this U.S. and can be cross checked with peer reviewed CDC data:

"As of July 6, the CDC reported 5,186 cases of breakthrough Covid-19 cases that led to deaths or hospitalizations among 157 million fully vaccinated people in the US"
In other words, one in every 30,000 people still got hospitalized or died from Covid-19 in the U.S. after being vaccinated.

EPIC LOSS YOU VAXX LOSERS - right?

Well if you dial back the clock to the pre-vaccine days the numbers extrapolated from data collecting like this:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm
Pointed to 1 in ever 10 people (everyone unvaccinated at the time of course) catching covid requiring hospitalization.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html
Here's a moving scale that you can scan across different timelines. You can see early on anywhere from 5-10% hospitalization rates early on until the really big spike around January 2021 just before vaccinations began went as high as a 20% hospitalization rate overall (72% of people diagnosed over the age of 65). Meaning 1 in 5 people testing positive wound up in a hospital at that time and almost 3 out of 4 over the age of 65 requiring hospitalization.

Of course after the vaccines started rolling out targeting the weakest groups first those numbers plummeted and then plummeted again after it became widely available. Now only 2.6% of Covid-19 illnesses require hospitalization.

In other words of that 1 in 30,000 vaccinated people unlucky enough to still require a trip to the hospital, the 780 people they are surrounded by in that same hospital unit also being treated with Covid never got vaccinated.


The US case and death numbers were wildly exaggerated, only 6% were actual Covid yet you stupid cucks keep lapping it up and believing all the bs:oldlol:

Enjoy your third, fourth and fifth shots for every “variant”

[n00bie]

The US case and death numbers were wildly exaggerated, only 6% were actual Covid yet you stupid cucks keep lapping it up and believing all the bs:oldlol:

Enjoy your third, fourth and fifth shots for every “variant”

6%? Lol

[Code Breaker]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296

I wonder what changed :lol

[bladefd]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296

I wonder what changed :lol

How long until those same fools start melting down at Biden for bringing down the stock market?

[Cleverness]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1417301374245687296

I wonder what changed :lol

Umm, he's actually been following what Trump's guidelines & team have been saying from the start. He told people to wear masks, social distance, travel bans are necessary, and get the Trump vaccine.

Between March 2020 and March 2021, how often did you hear Hannity tell people to stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, go open your business 100%, end the useless Trump travel bans, and don't get the vaccine?


Trump began his "racist and xenophobic" travel bans in January 2020 on China and Europe.

After much opposition, the rest of the world eventually followed suit. In fact, Trump's travel bans still exist today - a whole 18 months later.

When will Trump's travel bans end? When should they end? What is the achievable goal of them still being in place? How much have they helped so far?

[Cleverness]

So the admittance rate of the vaccinated is 40%?

Tbh I don't care about this topic one way or another any longer, more just interested in the clarifying what exactly you're asserting, since it isn't particularly clear. You just made a separate thread saying the Cleveland Clinic claimed only 1% of Covid admissions were of those vaccinated.

So in Britain it's 40% of people vaccinated are ending up in hospitals, in America it's 1%?

Great question. I'd like to see some debate on this in the mainstream, but unfortunately most opposing voices to the official narrative are silenced/censored and the official narrative pushers are never challenged & they duck and dodge real questions/debate.

Btw, to be fair, it's 1% of fully vaccinated in America. The 40% must be either partially or fully in the UK. Though, I highly doubt a 40x difference is based solely on that.

[Cleverness]

I almost forgot - you'd also want to compare the % vaccinated between populations along with their baseline characteristics... lots to compare, but still doesn't fully explain the 40x difference.

[ZenMaster]

Won't be surprised about anything at this point.

For example, https://www.reddit.com/r/covidvaccinated/ used to be a party, but has since grown into pretty much being a support group for people with side effects.
A lot of the stories people tell include mentions of doctors who get very hesitant when the patient asks if
their symptoms could be related to the vaccine.

[RoseCity07]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/


Literally the exact opposite headline is being reported. It's 60% with no vaccines.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/


Literally the exact opposite headline is being reported. It's 60% with no vaccines.

Maybe read the article?

[n00bie]

Great question. I'd like to see some debate on this in the mainstream, but unfortunately most opposing voices to the official narrative are silenced/censored and the official narrative pushers are never challenged & they duck and dodge real questions/debate.

Btw, to be fair, it's 1% of fully vaccinated in America. The 40% must be either partially or fully in the UK. Though, I highly doubt a 40x difference is based solely on that.

I think the brand of vaccines makes a big difference as well. AstraZeneca was the 1st to market but it's not as effective as Pfizer or Moderna.

The UK was one if the 1st countries to do mass vaccinations so they might have gotten a lot of AstraZeneca.

[RoseCity07]

Maybe read the article?

I did. They are correcting a mistake. It is NOT 60% with two shots that are hospitalized. It's 60% of the hospitalizations are people without a vaccination.



"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

[bladefd]

I did. They are correcting a mistake. It is NOT 60% with two shots that are hospitalized. It's 60% of the hospitalizations are people without a vaccination.



"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

Burninghammer mentioned it already in post #5 knockout punch.

[bladefd]

Unvaccinated individuals believe the coronavirus vaccine is more dangerous than the virus, according to a poll conducted by Yahoo News and YouGov.

The poll found 37 percent of unvaccinated individuals believe the vaccines pose greater health risks than the virus while 29 percent acknowledge the coronavirus is a greater health risk than the vaccines, which studies have shown are effective in reducing cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

Thirty-four percent of individuals were unsure which poses a greater threat to their health.

Then those same people were polled to figure out their reasoning for why they refuse to get it:


The poll found 37 percent are not getting the vaccine due to concerns about long-term side effects, 17 percent don’t trust the government, 16 percent believe the vaccine is too new, 11 percent cite that it is not fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration and 6 percent are against any sort of vaccine. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563837-unvaccinated-say-vaccines-more-dangerous-than-covid-19-poll

There is a lot of ignorance involved. Many of these people don't know what they don't know, and they refuse to find out. It's their loss ultimately, but democracy allows them the right to choose.

[Chick Stern]

Umm, he's actually been following what Trump's guidelines & team have been saying from the start. He told people to wear masks, social distance, travel bans are necessary, and get the Trump vaccine.

Between March 2020 and March 2021, how often did you hear Hannity tell people to stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, go open your business 100%, end the useless Trump travel bans, and don't get the vaccine?
Trump NEVER advocated for mask wearing.

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[ZenMaster]

Then those same people were polled to figure out their reasoning for why they refuse to get it:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563837-unvaccinated-say-vaccines-more-dangerous-than-covid-19-poll

There is a lot of ignorance involved. Many of these people don't know what they don't know, and they refuse to find out. It's their loss ultimately, but democracy allows them the right to choose.

So only 6 percent of people who are not taking a a covid vaccine are anti-vax, I bet a lot of people thought that number was higher.

A lot of people aren't refusing to get it, but are just not comfortable enough doing it under the current conditions.

[bladefd]

USA's average life expectancy in 2020 dropped 1.5 years, which is pretty drastic over just a 1 year period (technically just over 9 months because first US covid death was in end of February).

[rawimpact]

woohoo! COVID, god's method of saving social security.

[diamenz]

USA's average life expectancy in 2020 dropped 1.5 years, which is pretty drastic over just a 1 year period (technically just over 9 months because first US covid death was in end of February).

that has a lot more to do with other factors beside the virus:

https://rationalground.com/lockdowns-pros-and-cons/

[ZenMaster]

that has a lot more to do with other factors beside the virus:

https://rationalground.com/lockdowns-pros-and-cons/

I read somewhere that suicide amongst kids in California are up around 25%.


McMaster Children's Hospital says it has seen a steady increase of youth in crisis since the COVID-19 pandemic began.

According to the hospital, youth admitted for medical support after a suicide attempt has tripled over a four-month period, compared to last year. The hospital also said that patients are staying in hospital longer due to more serious attempts.

McMaster Children's Hospital says a large number of these youth have reported COVID-related issues such as lack of social interaction, increased conflict at home, and the inability to rely on friends as main contributors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5953326

[bladefd]

that has a lot more to do with other factors beside the virus:

https://rationalground.com/lockdowns-pros-and-cons/

I would be curious if it's possible to statistically figure out how much of the contributing factor to the big drop in life expectancy was COVID deaths/anything related and how much of it was anything/everything else unrelated.

[Cleverness]

that has a lot more to do with other factors beside the virus:

https://rationalground.com/lockdowns-pros-and-cons/

Right. Drug overdoses, homicides, other chronic diseases way up. Hospitals & ER visits plunged in 2020 as the media & gov't terrified people from going to the hospital when they were having heart attacks and strokes.

Hell, even car accident deaths are way up.

[Cleverness]

Trump NEVER advocated for mask wearing.

Nice nitpick, but you're wrong.

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Sean Hannity has actually been following what Trump's guidelines & team have been saying from the start. Sean told people to wear masks, social distance, travel bans are necessary, and get the Trump vaccine. If not, then between March 2020 and March 2021, how often did you hear Hannity tell people to stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, go open your business 100%, end the useless Trump travel bans, and don't get the vaccine? How often did you hear Trump say that in 2020? Let's hear it. Your cognitive dissonance should be setting in right about now.

Trump had the power to end all of it. He didn't. He chose to keep us in a Nat'l State of Emergency all year to enable trillions of dollars to the states (he even EO'd an extension of lockdown money LOL), never ended his National State of Emergency, never end his travel bans, ALWAYS keep Fauci on his team, and hell, Trump's very own plan in Oct 2020 was to keep this National State of Emergency going until some unknown point in 2021 after the vaccine roll-out when we would, as he put it, "return to normal in 2021." :lol


Trump began his "racist and xenophobic" travel bans in January 2020 on China and Europe.

After much opposition, the rest of the world eventually followed suit. In fact, Trump's travel bans still exist today - a whole 18 months later.

When will Trump's travel bans end? When should they end? What is the achievable goal of them still being in place? How much have they helped so far?

Also interested in your answers to these questions as well. Let us know what you think of Trump's travel bans.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Nice nitpick, but you're wrong.

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Sean Hannity has actually been following what Trump's guidelines & team have been saying from the start. Sean told people to wear masks, social distance, travel bans are necessary, and get the Trump vaccine. If not, then between March 2020 and March 2021, how often did you hear Hannity tell people to stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, go open your business 100%, end the useless Trump travel bans, and don't get the vaccine? How often did you hear Trump say that in 2020? Let's hear it. Your cognitive dissonance should be setting in right about now.

Trump had the power to end all of it. He didn't. He chose to keep us in a Nat'l State of Emergency all year to enable trillions of dollars to the states (he even EO'd an extension of lockdown money LOL), never ended his National State of Emergency, never end his travel bans, ALWAYS keep Fauci on his team, and hell, Trump's very own plan in Oct 2020 was to keep this National State of Emergency going until some unknown point in 2021 after the vaccine roll-out when we would, as he put it, "return to normal in 2021." :lol



Also interested in your answers to these questions as well. Let us know what you think of Trump's travel bans.

Dimwits don't care about facts, they operate on their feelings and emotions. Whatever they made up in their head and believe to be right becomes reality in their mind, even if it's something they totally made up and tricked themselves into being factual to them. Yuri Bezmenov explained it back in 1980. These retards deny all of the facts and proof in the world, their reality is permanently altered into their made up imaginary version. No amount of documents and photos will do anything to change the schizoid reality they are now forever stuck in. Only when the boot comes crashing down and they get a kick to the bottom, they'll understand. By then it's too late, they'll be lined up against the wall and shot under their new communist regime.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Anit-Vaxing MAGAS willing to die for Trump.