Tpols told us Siakam>Giannis and that Giannis was “bad at basketball”

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MrFonzworth]

OP told us existence is pain

[FultzNationRISE]

OP told us existence is pain

That about wraps it up for this thread.

See yall in the next one.

[imdaman99]

That dude has nothing but horrible takes on basketball :lol I'm sure if you switch Giannis and Siakam, spicy p would have closed the suns out in 5... :lol

[RRR3]

Fonz still DESPERATELY begging for my attention. Poor guy doesn’t realize he’s on ignore :(

[Kblaze8855]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

We've all had our bad takes.

I never took it that far, but I once thought he was overrated. And never imagined him dominating like he did here.

[RRR3]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.
His ORTG doe!

[SouBeachTalents]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

We've all had our bad takes.

I never took it that far, but I once thought he was overrated. And never imagined him dominating like he did in the finals.
Legit LeBron game 6/MJ 55 in finals level game tonight :biggums:


People will talk about this game forever. Giannis might get to the top 10 holy shit.

[DMAVS41]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.

:roll:

[Manny98]

Fonz still DESPERATELY begging for my attention. Poor guy doesn’t realize he’s on ignore :(
:oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

His ORTG doe!

Oh yea. An efficient 24 is just what the Bucks would have needed. What you shoot goes on the scoreboard you know? The total points mean nothing. Personally removing 10-15 points with blocks and intimidation also isn’t a factor. Dominance is shooting statistics. If I could get 18-26 efficient points and absolutely no other contribution I don’t even need all time great D, rebounding, and way way more points. Just score what you score at a high rate and don’t have turnovers because you don’t have the ability to be a playmaker. That’s greatness.

[RRR3]

:oldlol:
He legit is still mad we trolled Xiao lmao

[RRR3]

Oh yea. An efficient 24 is just what the Bucks would have needed. What you shoot goes on the scoreboard you know? The total points mean nothing. Personally removing 10-15 points with blocks and intimidation also isn’t a factor. Dominance is shooting statistics. If I could get 18-26 efficient points and absolutely no other contribution I don’t even need all time great D, rebounding, and way way more points. Just score what you score at a high rate and don’t have turnovers because you don’t have the ability to be a playmaker. That’s greatness.
I’m sure he’ll tell us Giannis didn’t play “real” basketball and the refs saved him

[FultzNationRISE]

Oh yea. An efficient 24 is just what the Bucks would have needed. What you shoot goes on the scoreboard you know? The total points mean nothing. Personally removing 10-15 points with blocks and intimidation also isn’t a factor. Dominance is shooting statistics. If I could get 18-26 efficient points and absolutely no other contribution I don’t even need all time great D, rebounding, and way way more points. Just score what you score at a high rate and don’t have turnovers because you don’t have the ability to be a playmaker. That’s greatness.

This implies he put up an inefficient 50 tonight and it was still the superior option.

Of course an efficient 50 is better than an efficient 24.

If hed dropped 50 on Kobes-Final-Game percentages he’d be on a flight to Phoenix right now for game 7.

[Axe]

OP told us existence is pain
:milton

[DMAVS41]

I’m sure he’ll tell us Giannis didn’t play “real” basketball and the refs saved him

He was in another thread with me during the game arguing that Giannis couldn't do shit in the 90's and that he can't even be in the same tier as Malone or Barkley as players.

You can't make this shit up...while the guy he said was "bad at basketball" was having one of the best games in the history of the finals...he was still shitting on him saying he's just not that good. Crazy.

[tpols]

Oh yea. An efficient 24 is just what the Bucks would have needed. What you shoot goes on the scoreboard you know? The total points mean nothing. Personally removing 10-15 points with blocks and intimidation also isn’t a factor. Dominance is shooting statistics. If I could get 18-26 efficient points and absolutely no other contribution I don’t even need all time great D, rebounding, and way way more points. Just score what you score at a high rate and don’t have turnovers because you don’t have the ability to be a playmaker. That’s greatness.

Don't you forget that dream. We ain't as far apart as you think.

[1987_Lakers]

The sad part is, on a forum where we see constant trolling tpols is actually dead serious when he makes these dumb takes.

[1987_Lakers]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.

:roll:

[RRR3]

Don't you forget that dream. We ain't as far apart as you think.
Admit you were wrong bitch

[Phoenix]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.

Dont be dumb. Reggie would have averaged 19ppg on a scorching 130 Ortg and they'd have called the series for the Pacers after 3 games.

[Lebron23]

I’m sure he’ll tell us Giannis didn’t play “real” basketball and the refs saved him

Thurston is an idiot.

[3ba11]

Everyone said Giannis sucked, including me

But he improved drastically and proved us all wrong

And btw, once a guy becomes champion, he goes to another level - this is just the BEGINNING for giannis

[ELITEpower23]

I’m sure Reggie Miller would have won it in 5.

:oldlol: Nice one

[ELITEpower23]

He was in another thread with me during the game arguing that Giannis couldn't do shit in the 90's and that he can't even be in the same tier as Malone or Barkley as players.

You can't make this shit up...while the guy he said was "bad at basketball" was having one of the best games in the history of the finals...he was still shitting on him saying he's just not that good. Crazy.

Thurston fell in love with chucker ball (Kobe ball) and it has rotted his poor feeble mind

[RRR3]

Everyone said Giannis sucked, including me

But he improved drastically and proved us all wrong

And btw, once a guy becomes champion, he goes to another level - this is just the BEGINNING for giannis
He’s the same player, he just got a very easy path due to injuries lol. You’re incapable of using critical thinking.

[ArbitraryWater]

He’s the same player, he just got a very easy path due to injuries lol. You’re incapable of using critical thinking.

wut

no lol

he completely stepped it up and had an unimaginable post-season run

[Gohan]

He’s the same player, he just got a very easy path due to injuries lol. You’re incapable of using critical thinking.
Ol hating ass nikka. giannis is the muphuckin man

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone said Giannis sucked, including me

But he improved drastically and proved us all wrong

And btw, once a guy becomes champion, he goes to another level - this is just the BEGINNING for giannis

Nobody with even the dried out remnants of a brain ever said Giannis sucked. A lot of people on ish did….but nobody rational. ISH is just full of exaggerating, dramatic, childish types who have no concept of nuance. Giannis was gonna be a first ballot hall of famer if he never improved on like 4 seasons ago.

[Real Men Wear Green]

As much as tpols deserves to be laughed at it should be pointed out that kokakworld fathered the thread and discussion. So don't forget to laugh at him too. It's only fair.

[ScottieQuitting]

Skill wise, he’s not. He gets away with an egregious amount of travels.

He got so many soft ticky tack fouls called his way last night that put him on the line. When he was physically bullying, with no calls.

He doesn’t have good court vision or a good passer. Scoring at the rim with basically minimal, if any rim protection or physicality out of Phoenix.

Not a lot of craft, nuance and skill to his game. Sincerely.

With that said, his heart is in the right place as a person and as a player. He’s competitive. He gives it his all. He’s loyal to the city and team that drafted him. He’s not a competitive coward with the likes of LeBron and Kevin Durant types. Who whole better more skillful players have terrible intangibles. And KD did out play Giannis in these very playoffs.

Happy for him and Milwaukee. And Middleton for going from G league to reliable all star caliber and second option on a championship team. And for Jrue Holiday.

[Kblaze8855]

As much as tpols deserves to be laughed at it should be pointed out that kokakworld fathered the thread and discussion. So don't forget to laugh at him too. It's only fair.

I remember in that topic thinking “Nobody is this stupid….they couldn’t have been paying attention” so I made like 9 gifs of Giannis being double, triple, and occasionally quadruple teamed on the touch to contrast Siakam getting to play one on one even when Curry switched onto him……




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlissfulPoorAiredale-size_restricted.gif





And still these dudes were talking to me about skills and shooting numbers like one wasn’t guarded like an all time great and the other guarded like the other guy in a “Let anyone but the star beat you” situation.

People straight up watched one guy face the most dedicated team defensive effort of the season then clowned him for numbers vs a guy defended like a high end role player.

And these were people telling me and others we didn’t understand the game and let media hype drive perception.

This place never stops amazing me in bad ways.

[tontoz]

For the series Giannis averaged 35/13/5 with a TS of 65.8% and 1.8 blocks. That was one of the most epic Finals series ever, especially considering he came into the series with a bad knee.

Making 17 of 19 from the foul line in the deciding game was icing on the cake.

[ScottieQuitting]

I
This place never stops amazing me in bad ways.
Yea, I remember recently you said Vinny Del Negro was the 90s Spurs second best player. People in the league who play him feel a similar way about Giannis. And I mean he does travel all over the court.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea, I remember recently you said Vinny Del Negro was the 90s Spurs second best player. People in the league who play him feel a similar way about Giannis. And I mean he does travel all over the court.


No I said specifically when Elliot was gone to the Pistons he was Drobs second option and at time he often was. It was Drob….Avery who could barely shoot but ran the team, Vinny making plays and trying to attack…old Ellis shooting. Never did I say he was better than Dennis Rodman. Better player and second scorer are not the same thing and that shouldn’t have to be explained.

I watched Vinny trying to press the issue scoring wise for Drob. And in fact now that I look even when Elliot was back there were playoff series he and Vinny scored the same 17 though Vinny in less minutes.

It was a topic specifically about scoring help so obviously Rodman wouldn’t come up. It turns out his scoring peaked when Elliot was there though. Vinny took the second most shots in the playoffs in 96. I was thinking that was earlier. It all runs together.

One thing is for sure….he was a significant part of Drobs scoring help it just depends on when exactly we mean.

[Dr. Zooback]

OP Comrade wants to live in a society where Kim Jung is free to penetrate his butthole.



Diagnosis: RRR3 is a closeted homosexual

[tpols]

Giannis motor and competitiveness is definitely GOAT. His defense was extremely impressive to watch as well, I still don't agree with the whole run people over and take more FTs than the entire opposing team style of offense though.

Everybody was agreeing on it back then in those threads and especially as recently as September when the bucks were humiliated by an underdog heat team. But Giannis did show remarkable fortitude and perseverance in this run. They had a soft lineup of competition... still couldve lost down 0-2. To sweep after that is impressive.

[ScottieQuitting]

Giannis motor and competitiveness is definitely GOAT. His defense was extremely impressive to watch as well, I still don't agree with the whole run people over and take more FTs than the entire opposing team style of offense though.

Everybody was agreeing on it back then in those threads and especially as recently as September when the bucks were humiliated by an underdog heat team. But Giannis did show remarkable fortitude and perseverance in this run. They had a soft lineup of competition... still couldve lost down 0-2. To sweep after that is impressive.
A lot of this is accurate

[Kblaze8855]

.Everybody was agreeing on it back then in those threads and especially as recently as September when the bucks were humiliated by an underdog heat team.



There being many clowns doesn’t make clowns rational.

The idea that an DPOY level defender who is also a top rebounder and creates threes for teammates at a top rate could be bad at basketball because of the method by which he also scores 25-30 a game is just ****ing stupid.

Thats all it is. All it was. All it ever will be.

You can not like it all you want. I don’t like watching how Harden played in Houston. Thousands of miles are between that and being bad….or even average. Or even good.

It was the kinda take that shows people aren’t even evaluating basketball…just looking for pretty scoring.

[tpols]

There being many clowns doesn’t make clowns rational.

The idea that an DPOY level defender who is also a top rebounder and creates threes for teammates at a top rate could be bad at basketball because of the method by which he also scores 25-30 a game is just ****ing stupid.

Thats all it is. All it was. All it ever will be.

You can not like it all you want. I don’t like watching how Harden played in Houston. Thousands of miles are between that and being bad….or even average. Or even good.

It was the kinda take that shows people aren’t even evaluating basketball…just looking for pretty scoring.

You knew we were talking about style of offensive play when all that was said. You morphed it into a defense argument because it rustled your jimmies. People are allowed to have their opinions. Wilt openly admitted the way Shaq was called was rigged. Similar situation if were talking offense. Never had a problem with the defense.

[Kblaze8855]

What I know is that 2 dozen times I told you that basketball isn’t scoring in fancy ways only for you to continue to claim he was bad at basketball and never acknowledge you just said something stupid. Talking about people allowed to have opinions….

Yes. Stupidly is legal.

That isn’t in question.

You can be stupid. It’s totally allowed.

[FKAri]

The sad part is, on a forum where we see constant trolling tpols is actually dead serious when he makes these dumb takes.

A lot of the people here believe their dumb takes. They also interpret the trolling as support for their take. :oldlol:

[Axe]

Wonder what's happened to the guy. It's been four months already since he was last seen here. :ohwell:

[SouBeachTalents]

tpols was actually capable of discussing basketball from time to time, but he regularly made some of the absolutely dumbest takes imaginable :lol You could make a pretty entertaining thread showcasing just how dumb his points could be.

[tpols]

Well whose laughing now mother****ers?

https://media.tenor.com/bpQbnSVFe1gAAAAM/toronto-raptors-pascal-siakam.gif

Get in here Curly.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm

[RRR3]

Well whose laughing now mother****ers?

https://media.tenor.com/bpQbnSVFe1gAAAAM/toronto-raptors-pascal-siakam.gif

Get in here Curly.
Giannis won a ring as the best player and has multiple MVPs how dumb are you?

[tpols]

It's not about where you're from,
It's where you at.

Don't step again Curly.

[NBAGOAT]

Well at least he’s getting the 50mil max he wanted from Toronto. Do not think he’s worth it

[imdaman99]

Is this fool really celebrating beating an injured team? :roll: ok, chump

[tpols]

Siakam just finished the 1st round series vs the Bucks as leading scorer of the Pacers on awesome shooting %s to boot.


https://youtu.be/s76FrMMz5Tk?si=h6ymMc2e7lcLRugR

[1987_Lakers]

Bro, I don't think this is a thread you should ever be bumping. This is a very bad take. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

For the series Giannis averaged 13 more points (on better efficiency) and 9.4 more rebounds than Siakam.

[SouBeachTalents]

Gasol was putting up better numbers in his title runs than Siakam did in this series.

[ShawkFactory]

Bro, I don't think this is a thread you should ever be bumping. This is a very bad take. :oldlol:

Seriuosly :lol

Dude just had 10/4/1 game in an overtime home closeout. Meanwhile, a 30/20/13 from Giannis...

[tpols]

It's just amusing to me that a Siakam led team has knocked Giannis out of the playoffs two years in a row.

Beat the brakes off the Bucks. And he was leading scorer top dog both times. :lol

All I see is... another one.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's just amusing that a Siakam led team has knocked Giannis out of the playoffs two years in a row. Beat the brakes off the Bucks. And he was leading scorer top dog both times.

All I see is... another one. :lol
Giannis literally didn't play in last years series. It's amazing how confident you are while simultaneously being so clueless :lol

[Axe]

It's just amusing to me that a Siakam led team has knocked Giannis out of the playoffs two years in a row.

Beat the brakes off the Bucks. And he was leading scorer top dog both times. :lol

All I see is... another one.
This is akin to saying that isiah thomas is better than michael jordan because he actually went 3-1 against him in the playoffs. :lebronamazed:

[tpols]

Why don't you guys want to give Siakam any credit?

Every time he wins... it doesn't count. No matter if he scored most points for his team, balled out, team won. Nope. Doesn't matter.

Well I have to put an end to that.

Another one.

[ShawkFactory]

Why don't you guys want to give Siakam any credit?

Every time he wins... it doesn't count. No matter if he scored most points for his team, balled out, team won. Nope. Doesn't matter.

Well I have to put an end to that.

Another one.

Siakam is a good player. You're obviously making it more than it is, is the issue.

He's not the best player on the Pacers, nor is he anywhere close to Giannis's stratosphere as a player.

[tontoz]

Why don't you guys want to give Siakam any credit?




Because you are comparing him to Giannis who punk'd him in the series.

If Giannis and Siakam switched teams and played a series what do you think would happen? :lol

[Axe]

Why don't you guys want to give Siakam any credit?

Every time he wins... it doesn't count. No matter if he scored most points for his team, balled out, team won. Nope. Doesn't matter.

Well I have to put an end to that.

Another one.
If you said that he was better than someone like paul george, then more people would agree on you with that. Not over giannis tho.

[tpols]

Because you are comparing him to Giannis who punk'd him in the series.

If Giannis and Siakam switched teams and played a series what do you think would happen? :lol

To your question, it would be a massacre.

Pascal would have to enter his super saiyan form then. He's been holding back while winning, champ. :lol

Showing mercy in victory.

[Neal Romer]

It's just amusing to me that a Siakam led team has knocked Giannis out of the playoffs two years in a row.

Beat the brakes off the Bucks. And he was leading scorer top dog both times. :lol

All I see is... another one.


People do constantly use the most recent head-to-head result to support their argument that player x is better than y.

Obviously tpols is being a bit tongue and cheek with this bump, but it is the exact argument people often use and it's a terrible one. Philly fans go crazy for instance when Joel gets a home regular season win vs Joker and they act like thats the clincher on the comparison. And in myriad other cases people shamelessly push an agenda thru such simplistic reasoning. Xiao does it of course. And on and on down the line. Probably MOST people do it.

So those people should all be admitting Siakam >>> Giannis.

[SouBeachTalents]

People do constantly use the most recent head-to-head result to support their argument that player x is better than y.

Obviously tpols is being a bit tongue and cheek with this bump, but it is the exact argument people often use and it's a terrible one. Philly fans go crazy for instance when Joel gets a home regular season win vs Joker and they act like thats the clincher on the comparison. And in myriad other cases people shamelessly push an agenda thru such simplistic reasoning. Xiao does it of course. And on and on down the line. Probably MOST people do it.

So those people should all be admitting Siakam >>> Giannis.
What makes it ironic is tpols is as guilty of that argument as anybody, he constantly evaluates players by h2h record like it's golf or tennis.

[fourkicks44]

Giannis literally didn't play in last years series. It's amazing how confident you are while simultaneously being so clueless :lol

The best ability is availability right?

Siakam actually playing while Giannis doesn't , in the playoffs of all times, should be highly relevant.

This is a stain on Giannis and elevates Siakam. Plus Giannis has missed a considerable amount of playoff games over his career compared to Siakam.

Playing more games than opponents should be taken into account when subjectively measuring who is better at basketball.

[MrFonzworth]

OP told us existence is pain

Forgot to switch alts?:lol

[imdaman99]

Is this fool really celebrating beating an injured team? :roll: ok, chump

Replying to myself a year later. Still relevant.

[Meticode]

Siakam has been a great NBA player. Six straight seasons with over 20 PPG. I feel like though he doesn't have many years left. He came into the league late at 22 and he's 31 right now. He's one of those players that oftentimes gets the responsibility of being a primary option when in reality his ability and talent is of a secondary option. The year he won Most Improved Player was the championship year with Kawhi. This year has been his most efficient playoffs so far of his career.

[tpols]

Say hello to your new Eastern Conference Playoff MVP.

https://philanthropy.indianapolis.iu.edu/news-events/news/_news/2025/pascal-siakam-headshot-1.jpg

:pimp:

[Meticode]

If Giannis averaged what Siakim averaged for ECFMVP people would be dogging on him that he had a horrible series.

[SouBeachTalents]

Siakam now has more Finals appearances than Giannis, who needed the entire league injured and KD’s shoe size one size too many to fluke his way to his only title. He’s also 3-0 against him h2h in the playoffs, and is now an ECF MVP, an award Giannis has never won. tpols just may have been onto something all along.

[Meticode]

Siakam now has more Finals appearances than Giannis, who needed the entire league injured and KD’s shoe size one size too many to fluke his way to his only title. He’s also 3-0 against him h2h in the playoffs, and is now an ECF MVP, an award Giannis has never won. tpols just may have been onto something all along.

By this logic Igoudala > Siakim

[tpols]

Bro, I don't think this is a thread you should ever be bumping. This is a very bad take. :oldlol:



https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8ZAtS-VgqCmRA_74-qG_P1up9Wv_7ETszDQ&s

[Meticode]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8ZAtS-VgqCmRA_74-qG_P1up9Wv_7ETszDQ&s



Yet, still a bad take. Go figure.

[tontoz]

Giannis was 3rd in the MVP voting.

[tpols]

Giannis was 3rd in the MVP voting.

Thats cute.

Siakam was 1st. :pimp:

[k0kakw0rld]

Thats cute.

Siakam was 1st. :pimp:
I mean, Pascal is my guy but you are saying some bs.

[ShawkFactory]

I mean, Pascal is my guy but you are saying some bs.

Obviously..

[Meticode]

Pascal Siakam

6 Games (ECF)
24.8 PPG
5.0 RPG
3.5 APG
0.7 BPG
1.3 SPG
52.4 FG%
50.0 3P%
67.4 FT%
Eastern Conference MVP

5 Games (First Round against Bucks)
19.8 PPG
6.0 RPG
2.4 APG
0.4 BPG
1.2 SPG
55.6 FG%
44.4 3P%
73.3 FT%

Giannis Antetokounmpo

5 Games (First Round against Pacers)
33.0 PPG
15.4 RPG
6.6 APG
1.0 BPG
1.0 SPG
60.6 FG%
20.0 3P%
69.8 FT%

[tontoz]

Siakam on the bucks would be lottery.

[GOBB]

Siakam now has more Finals appearances than Giannis, who needed the entire league injured and KD’s shoe size one size too many to fluke his way to his only title. He’s also 3-0 against him h2h in the playoffs, and is now an ECF MVP, an award Giannis has never won. tpols just may have been onto something all along.

Stop. You sound about as dumb as he did when he made that stupid take. You guys act like such weenies for admitting you were wrong with a take.

[1987_Lakers]

Stop. You sound about as dumb as he did when he made that stupid take. You guys act like such weenies for admitting you were wrong with a take.

He's being sarcastic.

[GOBB]

He's being sarcastic.

Oh didn’t know. Since you’re here…

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?520955-2025-NFL-Draft-(April-24th)


Show me where I made it a racist thing to why S.Sanders fell in the draft like you claimed.

[fourkicks44]

Thats cute.

Siakam was 1st. :pimp:

:oldlol:

Got him!

[3ba11]

I mean, Pascal is my guy but you are saying some bs.


Giannis still shoots jumpers like a beginner imo

[GOBB]

Giannis still shoots jumpers like a beginner imo

What does it matter? Giannis is on another tier than Siakam. Not even a debate.

[tpols]

Siakam the leading scorer for winning team so far. Plus he somehow totally locked Chet up. That surprised me. Big men have struggled mightily vs OKC. If Siakam can pull this off he the new GOAT.

[1987_Lakers]

Siakam in game 7 of the Finals when his team needed him to step up after Hali injury: 16 points. 5-13 shooting. :(

[tpols]

Siakam had an amazing year in 2025 and almost took down a massive -800 favorite as underdog, with his boy also getting hurt. Tough to beat that swarming OKC defense by yourself... Jokic got handled even worse in Game 7 vs them and hes a GOAT.

For now it is Basketball Valhalla for our fallen soldier Spicy P. He took on multiple big war machines as big under dog and fought til the very bitter and long end. As long as you can possibly go without winning the title in fact.

:applause:

All your favorite players got rocked earlier and have been home for months.

[ArbitraryWater]

Siakam showed that he is definitely not The Guy

[NBAGOAT]

Siakam had an amazing year in 2025 and almost took down a massive -800 favorite as underdog, with his boy also getting hurt. Tough to beat that swarming OKC defense by yourself... Jokic got handled even worse in Game 7 vs them and hes a GOAT.

For now it is Basketball Valhalla for our fallen soldier Spicy P. He took on multiple big war machines as big under dog and fought til the very bitter and long end. As long as you can possibly go without winning the title in fact.

:applause:

All your favorite players got rocked earlier and have been home for months.

siakam had a great year but hes still like a top 5 guy. worse in toronto too but you can argue thats because of nurses system and he was asked to be a true no1

[GOBB]

Siakam had an amazing year in 2025 and almost took down a massive -800 favorite as underdog, with his boy also getting hurt. Tough to beat that swarming OKC defense by yourself... Jokic got handled even worse in Game 7 vs them and hes a GOAT.

For now it is Basketball Valhalla for our fallen soldier Spicy P. He took on multiple big war machines as big under dog and fought til the very bitter and long end. As long as you can possibly go without winning the title in fact.

:applause:

All your favorite players got rocked earlier and have been home for months.

Watching you die on a hill is pure enjoyment.