how much did kd save his legacy by losing in 2nd rd instead of the finals?

[And1AllDay]

legacy booster

[HunterSThompson]

Durant has no shot at goat so losing in the finals is irrelevant

everyone but jordan out of the top 20 players all time have lost in the finals

that's why you moronic lebron fans should have been rooting against giannis. he's the one chasing MJ now. because you need a perfect finals record to top jordan. not just to be great.


lebrons finals appearances look nice when comparing them to magic.. but not a guy who never lost in the finals

[Airupthere]

Durant has no shot at goat so losing in the finals is irrelevant

everyone but jordan out of the top 20 players all time have lost in the finals

that's why you moronic lebron fans should have been rooting against giannis. he's the one chasing MJ now. because you need a perfect finals record to top jordan. not just to be great.


lebrons finals appearances look nice when comparing them to magic.. but not a guy who never lost in the finals

Damn :cheers:

[And1AllDay]

Durant has no shot at goat so losing in the finals is irrelevant

everyone but jordan out of the top 20 players all time have lost in the finals

that's why you moronic lebron fans should have been rooting against giannis. he's the one chasing MJ now. because you need a perfect finals record to top jordan. not just to be great.


lebrons finals appearances look nice when comparing them to magic.. but not a guy who never lost in the finals

so how much did kd save his legacy by losing in 2nd rd instead of the finals?

[HunterSThompson]

so how much did kd save his legacy by losing in 2nd rd instead of the finals?

even if Durant never lost in the finals before it wouldn't have mattered because he needs 6 or more legit titles with zero finals losses and he has none. he's too old to do that so like I said it's irrelevant to a guy like him to lose in the finals because he will only ever be compared to other guys that lost in the finals


giannis is 26 so his career trajectory is still on pace to possibly end up with more titles than jordan if he can keep this level of play up for another decade


a goat should always win more often than he loses at every level. and when you have a championship level team you should never lose when you're the goat. that's why jordan lost to the legendary Celtics and pistons teams before making it to the finals. his team just wasn't good enough yet

when he finally had adequate teammates he won and never stopped winning

when given a full season and a great team he ran off 6 straight


lebron on the other hand has choked the top seed away twice. then choked away the deepest team twice. 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014 are why he can never and will never be goat. he did what jordan never did.. lose as the favorite

[RogueBorg]

so how much did kd save his legacy by losing in 2nd rd instead of the finals?

KD is better shooting Lebron, both are colluding biatches that needed super teammates to get their first ring.

[Hey Yo]

KD is better shooting Lebron, both are colluding biatches that needed super teammates to get their first ring.

Middleton and Holiday Finals ppg >>>>> Wade and Bosh's.

[8Ball]

legacy booster

Didn't you get the memo?

It's better to lose earlier than lose in the finals.


That is why Gianni is on pace to becoming the GOAT. He got bounced earlier in the prior years to avoid potential finals losses. :lol

[RogueBorg]

Middleton and Holiday Finals ppg >>>>> Wade and Bosh's.

Not 2011 Wade

But 2021 Middleton>>>>2011 Lebron by alot
2021 Holiday's 16.7 was a hair from 2011 Lebron's 17.8

What a scrub, he ended the Hall of Fame careers of Wade and Bosh. Wade was only 31 in 2012. Bosh was only 28.

[HunterSThompson]

Middleton and Holiday Finals ppg >>>>> Wade and Bosh's.

cavs big 3 ppg > goat team 73 win warriors big 3

[Gudo]

What I'm seeing from this thread is that bronsexuals want the world to hate on other stars as much Lebron has called upon himself. Well, KD is not even in contention for goat as someone said. Two, people hate Lebron because of all the dumb shit he's said and done. With the BS move in 2011, he needs to continually validate himself to everyone. Sorry, but that's your burden. You brought that upon yourself.

[8Ball]

What I'm seeing from this thread is that bronsexuals want the world to hate on other stars as much Lebron has called upon himself. Well, KD is not even in contention for goat as someone said. Two, people hate Lebron because of all the dumb shit he's said and done. With the BS move in 2011, he needs to continually validate himself to everyone. Sorry, but that's your burden. You brought that upon yourself.


Answer the question. Did KD save his legacy by losing in the 2nd round rather then going further to the finals and potentially losing there?


What I am seeing from this thread is that anti LeBron narratives are built paper thin and hold no weight when tested.

[StrongLurk]

Amazingly enough, OP is making a great point.

A huge portion of the NBA fanbase literally think like this.

[8Ball]

legacy booster


Imagine repeating the same anti lebron narrative for years, and its countered so easily every single time a great player happens to lose before the finals. :oldlol:

[RogueBorg]

Winning the championship always trumps losses, doesn't matter if it's the Finals, conference finals, semis, or 1st round. Not winning the championship is a failed season.

6 in 15 will always be greater than 4 in 18...always

Put another way, .400 >>>> .222...always.

[HunterSThompson]

Amazingly enough, OP is making a great point.

A huge portion of the NBA fanbase literally think like this.

no they don't. if it's a debate between Durant and kawhi nobody is gonna being up their finals losses. the only way it becomes an issue is when you try putting your f*ggot ass idols name in the same breath as Michael Jordan the greatest athlete in history

he was perfect in the finals. thats the bar. deal with it

[houston]

He didn't he hurt more his legacy. Dude lost a game 7 on his home floor with MVP as his teammate and another all-nba/all-star player on his squad too.

[HunterSThompson]

He didn't he hurt more his legacy. Dude lost a game 7 on his home floor with MVP as his teammate and another all-nba/all-star player on his squad too.

this isn't accurate. i'l let someone else inform him of hardens status and performance. not really interesting to me

[And1AllDay]

Imagine repeating the same anti lebron narrative for years, and its countered so easily every single time a great player happens to lose before the finals. :oldlol:

these bois are shooooook:oldlol:

:dancin


good ol 1-9 legacy booster :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Amazingly enough, OP is making a great point.

A huge portion of the NBA fanbase literally think like this.

thanks brody

[kawhileonard2]

It’s why Jordan is the GOAT. Never lost a series with HCA having the same or better record and never lost on the highest stage, Olympics or NBA.

[Bronbron23]

legacy booster

None. Magic lost, kareem lost. Bird lost. It wouldn't have made any difference at all really. Only reason why it looks good in mj's case is because he won 6 chips. If mj went 3 for 3 or 4 for 4 he wouldn't still be viewed by most as the goat.

The same is true for your boyfriend on the other end of the scale. It's not that bron has lost in the finals. It's that he lost alot in the finals. One of them being and all time bad loss in 2011.

The other problem with losing in the finals is that it's usual a more true test because teams are usually pretty even so when someone loses in the finals it's perceived more of a reflection of that players impact and leadership than the simple fact that they were the much weaker team.

[kawhileonard2]

None. Magic lost, kareem lost. Bird lost. It wouldn't have made any difference at all really. Only reason why it looks good in mj's case is because he won 6 chips. If mj went 3 for 3 or 4 for 4 he wouldn't still be viewed by most as the goat.

The same is true for your boyfriend on the other end of the scale. It's not that bron has lost in the finals. It's that he lost alot in the finals. One of them being and all time bad loss in 2011.

The other problem with losing in the finals is that it's usual a more true test because teams are usually pretty even so when someone loses in the finals it's perceived more of a reflection of that players impact and leadership than the simple fact that they were the much weaker team.

Also

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head/page5

[Naero]

Even if you overpenalize Finals losses, KD wouldn't have harmed his legacy because let's be honest: he would've won it all anyway.

He was having a run for the ages, and he wouldn't have had a more difficult opponent, match-up-wise, than the Bucks. Plus, his costars were only bound to get healthier moving forward, and he would've bought them more recovery time if not for his overlong foot.

This year wasn't a negative for his legacy no matter how you slice it; it was just a blown opportunity above all.

[Spurs m8]

It's funny...coz everytime op starts these threads, it's just an all out ether...

And all he can do is like, put his fingers in his ears like a child and keep going with it hahahhah

[basketballcat]

losing earlier < losing in the finals, obviously
"finals record" is an idiotic narrative

If you need an all time list with just one metric, better go with playoff win shares
1. LeBron James 55.68
2. Michael Jordan* 39.76
3. Tim Duncan* 37.84
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 35.56
5. Magic Johnson* 32.63
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.46
7. Shaquille O'Neal* 31.08
8. Kobe Bryant* 28.26
9. Bill Russell* 27.76
10. Julius Erving* 26.89
11. Jerry West* 26.75
12. Kevin Durant 25.25
13. Larry Bird* 24.83
14. Scottie Pippen* 23.58
15. Dirk Nowitzki 23.13
16. Karl Malone* 22.99
17. Hakeem Olajuwon* 22.60
18. Kawhi Leonard 22.49
19. Dwyane Wade 21.63
20. John Stockton* 21.35

[ELITEpower23]

It’s why Jordan is the GOAT. Never lost a series with HCA having the same or better record and never lost on the highest stage, Olympics or NBA.

He had three first round departures aka Legacy Boosters :lol You know how the old saying goes, real winners lose early

[ELITEpower23]

None. Magic lost, kareem lost. Bird lost. It wouldn't have made any difference at all really. Only reason why it looks good in mj's case is because he won 6 chips. If mj went 3 for 3 or 4 for 4 he wouldn't still be viewed by most as the goat.

The same is true for your boyfriend on the other end of the scale. It's not that bron has lost in the finals. It's that he lost alot in the finals. One of them being and all time bad loss in 2011.

The other problem with losing in the finals is that it's usual a more true test because teams are usually pretty even so when someone loses in the finals it's perceived more of a reflection of that players impact and leadership than the simple fact that they were the much weaker team.

Even Russell lost. He won 11 chips which is double MJ's only great accomplishment :lol but yes even Russell lost.

[Spurs m8]

losing earlier < losing in the finals, obviously
"finals record" is an idiotic narrative

If you need an all time list with just one metric, better go with playoff win shares
1. LeBron James 55.68
2. Michael Jordan* 39.76
3. Tim Duncan* 37.84
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 35.56
5. Magic Johnson* 32.63
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.46
7. Shaquille O'Neal* 31.08
8. Kobe Bryant* 28.26
9. Bill Russell* 27.76
10. Julius Erving* 26.89
11. Jerry West* 26.75
12. Kevin Durant 25.25
13. Larry Bird* 24.83
14. Scottie Pippen* 23.58
15. Dirk Nowitzki 23.13
16. Karl Malone* 22.99
17. Hakeem Olajuwon* 22.60
18. Kawhi Leonard 22.49
19. Dwyane Wade 21.63
20. John Stockton* 21.35

Yes...because colluding in a weak Conference and losing when it matters is a fantastic reflection of a player

[Bronbron23]

Even Russell lost. He won 11 chips which is double MJ's only great accomplishment :lol but yes even Russell lost.

Not a great point. And lol at MJ's only great accomplishment. He's accomplishment alot more than your idol. More mvp's fmvp's chips, defensive teams, dpoys and scoring titles.

As far as russell goes i have no problem with anyone thinking he's the goat.

[Spurs m8]

Not a great point. And lol at MJ's only great accomplishment. He's accomplishment alot more than your idol. More mvp's fmvp's chips, defensive teams, dpoys and scoring titles.

As far as russell goes i have no problem with anyone thinking he's the goat.

The scoring title differential - in particular - is insane.

Takes into account the inflated stats of brons era and wipes the floor with him

[basketballcat]

losing when it matters All playoff games "matter", by the very nature of the playoffs and the very rules of basketball.

If one conference was "weak", then why didn't the stars just move to the so-called weaker conference? From 2004 to 2018, there were 6 champs from the East. That's just one Eastern champion away from a near-perfect balance. This was the within the era of three Western Conference dynasties: Spurs, Lakers, & Warriors. If you want to talk about "collusion", the Celtics started it and the Warriors perfected it.

let me reiterate: losing earlier < losing in the finals, obviously

[Spurs m8]

All playoff games "matter", by the very nature of the playoffs and the very rules of basketball.

If one conference was "weak", then why didn't the stars just move to the so-called weaker conference? From 2004 to 2018, there were 6 champs from the East. That's just one Eastern champion away from a near-perfect balance. This was the within the era of three Western Conference dynasties: Spurs, Lakers, & Warriors. If you want to talk about "collusion", the Celtics started it and the Warriors perfected it.

let me reiterate: losing earlier < losing in the finals, obviously

When you go around gaslighting people that you're the GOAT...then you are held to the highest standard

If you get bounced on the big stage, after cakewalking through statistically a weak Conference, after colluding...You bet damn well that it matters.

Or you could be humble and let your game do the talking and let everyone decide where to put you.

Might actually help your cause in the end....LeEgo

[8Ball]

Thread cliffs:

KD's legacy would be enhanced if he made the finals and lost vs losing in the 2nd round.

Ergo, LeBron going to 10 finals = legacy enhancement.

Anything else?

[8Ball]

All playoff games "matter", by the very nature of the playoffs and the very rules of basketball.

If one conference was "weak", then why didn't the stars just move to the so-called weaker conference? From 2004 to 2018, there were 6 champs from the East. That's just one Eastern champion away from a near-perfect balance. This was the within the era of three Western Conference dynasties: Spurs, Lakers, & Warriors. If you want to talk about "collusion", the Celtics started it and the Warriors perfected it.

let me reiterate: losing earlier < losing in the finals, obviously

+1.

Losing in the finals if you are LeBron is a knock.
Losing in the 2nd round if you are durant is not a knock.
Losing in multiple times in the 1st round if you are jordan is not a knock.

You got them in a mental pretzel and they will invent a new "narrative" to twist themselves out of it.

[kawhileonard2]

He had three first round departures aka Legacy Boosters :lol You know how the old saying goes, real winners lose early

Has more titles, league mvp’s, finals mvp’s than Lebron despite playing less seasons and turned an organization that never won that drafted him into a dynasty.

[houston]

this isn't accurate. i'l let someone else inform him of hardens status and performance. not really interesting to me

Harden played over 35+ minutes the last 3 games of the series. If Harden stayed in shape at the beginning of the season probably he wouldn't had injuries that set the team back. Plus he had Blake Griffin starting line up and Kevin Durant still couldn't make the East Finals.

[HunterSThompson]

Harden played over 35+ minutes the last 3 games of the series. If Harden stayed in shape at the beginning of the season probably he wouldn't had injuries that set the team back. Plus he had Blake Griffin starting line up and Kevin Durant still couldn't make the East Finals.

i'm gonna take a page out of 1987_lakers playbook and show you his 4 game series average that includes a game he played just 43 seconds

harden average a pathetic 10.8 ppg on 30.6%fg's



























ahhahaha jk


i'm not a complete f*ggot like him


but harden still didn't play very well in the 3 games he did play from start to finish

he legit averaged a pathetic 14.3ppg on 30.6%

[Axe]

With his new superteam? Vm i guess.

[houston]

i'm gonna take a page out of 1987_lakers playbook and show you his 4 game series average that includes a game he played just 43 seconds

harden average a pathetic 10.8 ppg on 30.6%fg's



























ahhahaha jk


i'm not a complete f*ggot like him


but harden still didn't play very well in the 3 games he did play from start to finish

he legit averaged a pathetic 14.3ppg on 30.6%



typical harden underperform in the playoffs but Nets had enough it just Coach Nash didn't know how to coach his team adjustment. I mean Deandre Jordan didn't get no playing time against Giannis. Didn't give Blake enough touches and wore down Durant.

[ELITEpower23]

Gianni saving KD's legacy like

https://i.postimg.cc/CLLYX3hJ/2323232424242525252553368210-mwkw818jdwo.gif

[kawhileonard2]

He hasn't won bronze medal yet like Lebron who did so twice.

[And1AllDay]

guys? how much did he save it by losing earlier?

[3ba11]

it hurts his legacy because he lost as the favorite, just like lebron from 09-11' and 14'... and 17' if we're listening to Nick Wright

[FireDavidKahn]

It boosted it. Losing before the Finals makes your legacy better.

[FKAri]

The scoring title differential - in particular - is insane.

Takes into account the inflated stats of brons era and wipes the floor with him

Inflated stats wouldn't devalue modern scoring titles.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EnsUeR2MyI


KONG

[And1AllDay]

It boosted it. Losing before the Finals makes your legacy better.

+1

it is called the 1-9 boost

booker and aytons legacy tho....yikes he took a hit big time, shoulda lost to utah what a cuck

[FireDavidKahn]

+1

it is called the 1-9 boost

booker and aytons legacy tho....yikes he took a hit big time, shoulda lost to utah what a cuck

Imagine having your legacy destroyed by a French baguette :roll:

[And1AllDay]

anyone? :-)

[And1AllDay]

guys? how much did kd save his legacy by losing in 2nd rd instead of the finals?

[And1AllDay]

Even Russell lost. He won 11 chips which is double MJ's only great accomplishment :lol but yes even Russell lost.

goat slay mikes biggest achievement is rings but russell doubled his azz 11 to 6 :oldlol: imaigne someone doubled bran with 15k playoff pts to brans 7.5k

id keep my head low if someone doubled brans best accomplishment :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Even Russell lost. He won 11 chips which is double MJ's only great accomplishment :lol but yes even Russell lost.

Did Russell win 4 series any year he had to win the title? Nope. He had to only win 2 series for 8 of his titles.

[kawhileonard2]

goat slay mikes biggest achievement is rings but russell doubled his azz 11 to 6 :oldlol: imaigne someone doubled bran with 15k playoff pts to brans 7.5k

id keep my head low if someone doubled brans best accomplishment :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

[Axe]

Did Russell win 4 series any year he had to win the title? Nope. He had to only win 2 series for 8 of his titles.
Would you prefer china nuke the world instead of russia?