How come Kobe never shot above .469 even one season in his 20 year career?

[ELITEpower23]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...

[ArbitraryWater]

the fact that Kobe never even shot just 47% honestly scares me.


I remember a few months ago waking up in a cold sweat, had no idea what I dreamed about but my first though was Kobe and his lack of 47 and upwards % shooting seasons.

[Axe]

Misses are more important to him

[Bronbron23]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...

The obvious answer is because of his shot selection. Kobe was so good he felt like he could hit any shot. This can perceived in different ways. Confident, dumb, killer, selfish ect. The truth is somewhere in the middle as usual.

I will say this to people who question kobe's shot selection and efficiency compared to someone like bron. Mark jackson and van gundy spoke on this a few years back when kobe was playing. They talked about how even though kobe would miss alot it was often against double and tripple teams and against defense that were primarily geared towards gaurding him. This made it easier for other guys to score and get open because so much of the defense was focused on him. This isn't usually the case with bron. Defenses don't overload on him as much like they did kobe, mj or steph now. Steph is a good example of this now. He dosn't even have to be in the play or get an assist or point but his presence can heavily impact the game offensively because the defense is so consumed by him. This is just another example of how stats don't always reflect impact.

[Micku]

The obvious answer is because of his shot selection. Kobe was so good he felt like he could hit any shot. This can perceived in different ways. Confident, dumb, killer, selfish ect. The truth is somewhere in the middle as usual.

I will say this to people who question kobe's shot selection and efficiency compared to someone like bron. Mark jackson and van gundy spoke on this a few years back when kobe was playing. They talked about how even though kobe would miss alot it was often against double and tripple teams and against defense that were primarily geared towards gaurding him. This made it easier for other guys to score and get open because so much of the defense was focused on him. This isn't usually the case with bron. Defenses don't overload on him as much like they did kobe, mj or steph now. Steph is a good example of this now. He dosn't even have to be in the play or get an assist or point but his presence can heavily impact the game offensively because the defense is so consumed by him. This is just another example of how stats don't always reflect impact.


Yeah. It's mostly his shot selection.

When LeBron got to Miami, him and D-Wade would have a competition every night on who can get the higher FG%. So, they wouldn't take certain shots. It's a difference in mindset.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-compete-efficiency-stats-sly-145018924--nba.html?a20=1



“It’s like a competition me and D-Wade are having right now about who can shoot 50 percent, in each and every game,” James said, when asked a couple of days later. “I had no idea, because I don’t know what’s going on throughout the game as far as stats. I came in after the game, I saw 9-for-19 [against the Bobcats in late December] and I missed that last long three, I felt I could have gotten into the lane and got a layup. I’ve got to make up for it.”

...

Early in my career, I didn’t take every shot as seriously as I do now, to be more efficient,” James said. “It comes with age, it comes with experience. You know, when you’re an 18 year old rookie, or a 21-year-old, third year in the league, you can get away with a lot of mistakes, and not looking at numbers as much. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been more efficient, taking care of the ball. I value possessions more.”

...

“We’re both so conscious of wanting to shoot 50 percent, that sometimes you wish you had that Kobe (Bryant) thought, where you just don’t care,” Wade said. “We talk about it all the time. It sucks at times, but it’s who we are.”



And that's pretty much it right there. Kobe never cared about that stuff. He just constantly thought he was the baddest man on the planet and could shoot anywhere he wants. And imo, that's a con cuz it lead to a lot of misses that could've been passed up for an easier shot. But sometimes, it's a good thing depending on the moment.

Could Kobe shoot more efficiently? Probably. Especially how they play nowadays. But he would probably have to change his mindset. There are times where he would break off the team offense and play 1 on 5 or whatever cuz he felt like he's that dude. Granted when he's hot, he really is that dude.

[tontoz]

First of all FG% is a pretty useless stat in the 3 pt era.

But yeah Kobe's shot selection was awful.

[Bronbron23]

Yeah. It's mostly his shot selection.

When LeBron got to Miami, him and D-Wade would have a competition every night on who can get the higher FG%. So, they wouldn't take certain shots. It's a difference in mindset.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-compete-efficiency-stats-sly-145018924--nba.html?a20=1



And that's pretty much it right there. Kobe never cared about that stuff. He just constantly thought he was the baddest man on the planet and could shoot anywhere he wants. And imo, that's a con cuz it lead to a lot of misses that could've been passed up for an easier shot. But sometimes, it's a good thing depending on the moment.

Could Kobe shoot more efficiently? Probably. Especially how they play nowadays. But he would probably have to change his mindset. There are times where he would break off the team offense and play 1 on 5 or whatever cuz he felt like he's that dude. Granted when he's hot, he really is that dude.

Yeah his talent and confidence was a gift and a curse at times. Bron is way less skilled scoring wise so it's easier making the "right" play because alot of the time he's not confident in taking a tough pull up j which in tough slow half court games that's all you have available. Kobe has never had this problem

[Gohan]

Yet he won 5 championships with his sub 47% shooting. He did something right. Some of yall posters are plain retarded

[Hey Yo]

Yet he won 5 championships with his sub 47% shooting. He did something right. Some of yall posters are plain retarded

He has 2 titles as the main man.

[Gohan]

He has 2 titles as the main man.

Which is impressive in itself. And was a huge part in the other 3 titles

[ELITEpower23]

Yet he won 5 championships with his sub 47% shooting. He did something right. Some of yall posters are plain retarded

Leading your team to a ring two times (2009, 2010) is nothing to sneeze at. Sits right around that Bird, Hakeem, KD level with 2. Top 12 ish? Or so.

But his horrible inefficiencies have to be considered. So he's really top 15 at best right? Would you start a team with Kobe or Giannis?

[bobopenguin]

Cos teams always put more than 2 men on kobe, as like it's a rule or something,

[HunterSThompson]

kobe is the most talented shooter over highly contested defense in nba history... the only guys that shoot more freely over tough D are KD and dirk and thats literally only because they're 7 footers


this meant kobe never once had to pass up a shot. sure he could have and averaged 50% fg's or better just taking smart shots. but then kobes teams are more dependent on his other guys and they were never very good outside of shaq/gasol/odom and none of them just stood at the 3 point line waiting for a kobe kick out. and the 2 guys known for hitting 3's for kobe were derek fisher and robert horry. but they were never that guy until the very end on a few occasions. they weren't known as 3 point specialists

so a contested kobe shot was usually the best look when the clock was running down. who else was he supposed to kick it to?

devean george
luke walton
ron harper
jannero pargo
kareem rush
tyron lue
gary payton
jordan farmar
laron profit
smush parker
shannon brown
coby karl
javaris crittenton
ron artest
sun yue
devin ebanks
andrew goudelock
raman sessions


kobe never had shooters around him

oh wait. my bad

he had sasha



would have been better if he had

ray allen
rashard lewis
kevin love
kyrie irving
chris bosh
Daniel Gibson
Damon Jones
Donyell Marshall
Wally Szcerbiak
Delonte West
Danny Green
James Jones
Mario Chalmers
Carlos Arroyo
Eddie House
Mike Miller
Shane Battier
Matthew Dellavadova
Jr Smith
Kyle Korver
Richard Jefferson
Channing Frye
Caldwell Pope
Avery Bradley



oh well..

[Mauzah]

The shooting percentage is somewhat surprising/alarming considering the gravitational pull Shaq had. You would think he could have played a bit more like KD on the Warriors were he was super efficient.

[iamgine]

Is it also because he takes the last second, heave from midcourt shots at the end of quarters?

Wonder how many of those he takes.

[HunterSThompson]

The shooting percentage is somewhat surprising/alarming considering the gravitational pull Shaq had. You would think he could have played a bit more like KD on the Warriors were he was super efficient.

kobe was almost never the entry man for shaq. thats usually a 3 point shooter like brian shaw or horry for the quick kick out to avoid a double down ( not that they were great but they were better than kobe at the time at threes ).. and when kobe had the ball trying to score shaq would be on the weak side to open up a lane to the basket


you've obviously never watched laker basketball from the early 2000s

[HunterSThompson]

Is it also because he takes the last second, heave from midcourt shots at the end of quarters?

Wonder how many of those he takes.

i was actually doing a research on that but i got bored. 1/3rd of the way through kobes rookie season he had taken 9 or 10 last second quarter buzzer beaters

most of them that year were taken by van exel, eddie or fisher it seems. but even taking 9 by a 17 year old rookie is insane after like 30 games

imagine how many he would take in one of his prime seasons. i should probly take a look at those years too. he would routinely check back in just for that shot a lot of the time too

[Micku]

kobe is the most talented shooter over highly contested defense in nba history... the only guys that shoot more freely over tough D are KD and dirk and thats literally only because they're 7 footers


MJ and Bird in those. MJ would jump over everyone cuz of his insane vert and hang time. Bird cuz of his height and release. But MJ and Bird didn't take as many bad shots as Kobe, so Kobe got more contested shots. MJ was quicker to attack and Bird would pass.

And Curry. I almost forgot about him. Especially this year. But he would have to work harder than MJ, Bird, KD, Dirk etc. Like needing screens. But he only need only a little bit of space. His thing is his quick release. I think he might have the quickest release in nba history? At least the quickest per accuracy ratio, lol! I think Marion ugly ass jumper might have him beat.

But Kobe take the toughest shots of all the players that I seen.

[HunterSThompson]

kobe is the most talented shooter over highly contested defense in nba history... the only guys that shoot more freely over tough D are KD and dirk and thats literally only because they're 7 footers


this meant kobe never once had to pass up a shot. sure he could have and averaged 50% fg's or better just taking smart shots. but then kobes teams are more dependent on his other guys and they were never very good outside of shaq/gasol/odom and none of them just stood at the 3 point line waiting for a kobe kick out. and the 2 guys known for hitting 3's for kobe were derek fisher and robert horry. but they were never that guy until the very end on a few occasions. they weren't known as 3 point specialists

so a contested kobe shot was usually the best look when the clock was running down. who else was he supposed to kick it to?

devean george
luke walton
ron harper
jannero pargo
kareem rush
tyron lue
gary payton
jordan farmar
laron profit
smush parker
shannon brown
coby karl
javaris crittenton
ron artest
sun yue
devin ebanks
andrew goudelock
raman sessions


kobe never had shooters around him

oh wait. my bad

he had sasha



would have been better if he had

ray allen
rashard lewis
kevin love
kyrie irving
chris bosh
Daniel Gibson
Damon Jones
Donyell Marshall
Wally Szcerbiak
Delonte West
Danny Green
James Jones
Mario Chalmers
Carlos Arroyo
Eddie House
Mike Miller
Shane Battier
Matthew Dellavadova
Jr Smith
Kyle Korver
Richard Jefferson
Channing Frye
Caldwell Pope
Avery Bradley



oh well..

i'm wondering why no bran stan addressed this yet

[TheCorporation]

the fact that Kobe never even shot just 47% honestly scares me.


I remember a few months ago waking up in a cold sweat, had no idea what I dreamed about but my first though was Kobe and his lack of 47 and upwards % shooting seasons.

:roll:

[WhiteKyrie]

Wasn’t afraid to take momentum or heroic bail out shots.

[Gohan]

the fact that Kobe never even shot just 47% honestly scares me.


I remember a few months ago waking up in a cold sweat, had no idea what I dreamed about but my first though was Kobe and his lack of 47 and upwards % shooting seasons.

That turkish dude got raped in jail cuz you snitched. I heard the one who raped him was your mom

[Soundwave]

1996-2010 was a rough era for shooting percentage, pretty much no one shot over 50% as a high volume guard.

LeBron was under 50% for his first 6 seasons in the league, Durant under 50% for his first 5 seasons. Vince Carter was under 50% his entire career, so was Tracy McGrady, so was Allen Iverson.

By the time shooting percentages league wide started to rise, Kobe was already in his declining years (32, 33, etc.) and then he tore his achilles which was pretty much it.

He never really was a guy shy to shoot though, obviously, there is no shot he wouldn't take, some times that would get him into trouble, but I kinda respect that there was no fear in his game that way.

[3ba11]

Kobe had to fit perfectly with everyone

Kobe's strength was that his goat scoring diversity could fit with anyone

So having weaker efficiency but great teammate fits/Finals records > good efficiency with bad teammate fits, brand and Finals record

[TheCorporation]

Kobe had to fit perfectly with everyone

Kobe's strength was that his goat scoring diversity could fit with anyone

So having weaker efficiency but great teammate fits/Finals records > good efficiency with bad teammate fits, brand and Finals record

0 for...20 :eek:

[HoopsNY]

People have to stop being so reliant on statistics without offering a context.

Kobe's highest FG% years were from 1999-2002, and then again in 2009. From '99-'02 he shot .467%. Let's look at some other players during that time and see how they shot the ball:

Iverson: .413%

Allen: .463%

McGrady: .452%

Miller: .442%

Houston: .450%

Stojakovic: .460%

Smith: .449%

Hamilton: .433%

Pierce: .446%

Finley: .457%

Kobe: .467%

So, during the height of the defensive era, Kobe's FG% was better than just about everyone, be they shooters, slashers, scorers, amongst the best SGs/SFs.

[Rysio]

He was mostly a jumpshooter who was ice cold pretty often in games.

[Gohan]

People have to stop being so reliant on statistics without offering a context.

Kobe's highest FG% years were from 1999-2002, and then again in 2009. From '99-'02 he shot .467%. Let's look at some other players during that time and see how they shot the ball:

Iverson: .413%

Allen: .463%

McGrady: .452%

Miller: .442%

Houston: .450%

Stojakovic: .460%

Smith: .449%

Hamilton: .433%

Pierce: .446%

Finley: .457%

Kobe: .467%

So, during the height of the defensive era, Kobe's FG% was better than just about everyone, be they shooters, slashers, scorers, amongst the best SGs/SFs.

Yet iverson was still the second best player in that group BY FAR. Fg% dont mean sh1t btw kobe is the muphuckin man better respect him or you gonna get clapped.

Not to who im quoting im talking about everyone else, kobe haters are sad

[Manny98]

How come LeGOAT never shot above 80% from the free throw line (the easiest shot in basketball)

[Cyrus334]

Because he was an inefficient ball hog that shot his team out of games more times than you could count. There's a reason he's the all time leader in missed field goals.

I'll say this though; there was no player who hit more difficult shots than Kobe did. There were some shots he took that went in even when he was being tightly guarded or was falling to the side and you were just like "wtf".

[HoopsNY]

Because he was an inefficient ball hog that shot his team out of games more times than you could count. There's a reason he's the all time leader in missed field goals.

I'll say this though; there was no player who hit more difficult shots than Kobe did. There were some shots he took that went in even when he was being tightly guarded or was falling to the side and you were just like "wtf".

I don't see the problem here. When Kobe became a full time starter, between 1999-2003, he shot 46%. Between 2007-2010 alongside Pau, he shot 46%.

Kobe's 2004 he had multiple injuries including a shoulder injury, and then from 2005-2006 he was flying solo where all of the defensive attention was on him, so it makes sense as to why his FG% dipped.

Peak/Prime Kobe though was a 46% shooter and that's pretty good, especially when half of those years are coming in the height of the defensive era. When you factor in that he was shooting better than his peers, then it becomes even more impressive.

Another thing that's often left out of the conversation is that more volume makes it more difficult to sustain a higher FG%. So a guy like Klay shoots almost at the same clip as Kobe, yet at much lower volume, in a less defensive era. This only makes Kobe's ability to hover between 46-47% during his prime and peak years all the more impressive.

[ImKobe]

I don't see the problem here. When Kobe became a full time starter, between 1999-2003, he shot 46%. Between 2007-2010 alongside Pau, he shot 46%.

Kobe's 2004 he had multiple injuries including a shoulder injury, and then from 2005-2006 he was flying solo where all of the defensive attention was on him, so it makes sense as to why his FG% dipped.

Peak/Prime Kobe though was a 46% shooter and that's pretty good, especially when half of those years are coming in the height of the defensive era. When you factor in that he was shooting better than his peers, then it becomes even more impressive.

Another thing that's often left out of the conversation is that more volume makes it more difficult to sustain a higher FG%. So a guy like Klay shoots almost at the same clip as Kobe, yet at much lower volume, in a less defensive era. This only makes Kobe's ability to hover between 46-47% during his prime and peak years all the more impressive.

And Kobe took a lot of mid-range/3PT shots, more than anyone else in his era if you factor in the long 2s.

You can say it's not efficient or whatever but it worked really well because he had Shaq/Pau and him being a long-range threat opened up the paint for others, and he didn't have as many driving lanes when he played with two bigs in the late 00s/early 2010s.

I haven't heard anyone criticize KG or Duncan for their scoring efficiency because they're both ~55%TS for their careers as big men who took a lot of mid-range shots, and they scored at a much lower volume than KB. Kobe hurt his career numbers post-achilles by chucking on bad teams because he had a career 55.5%TS after the '13 season compared to Duncan's 55.1% and KG's 54.6%TS.

This is why FG% is a poor argument. Harden has shot 44.3%FG after his year as the 6th man in OKC and has never cracked 47%FG as a #1/#2 option either, but you factor in all the 3s and FTs and he's actually more efficient than most of his peers as his TS% is in the 60s.

[HoopsNY]

And Kobe took a lot of mid-range/3PT shots, more than anyone else in his era if you factor in the long 2s.

You can say it's not efficient or whatever but it worked really well because he had Shaq/Pau and him being a long-range threat opened up the paint for others, and he didn't have as many driving lanes when he played with two bigs in the late 00s/early 2010s.

I haven't heard anyone criticize KG or Duncan for their scoring efficiency because they're both ~55%TS for their careers as big men who took a lot of mid-range shots, and they scored at a much lower volume than KB. Kobe hurt his career numbers post-achilles by chucking on bad teams because he had a career 55.5%TS after the '13 season compared to Duncan's 55.1% and KG's 54.6%TS.

This is why FG% is a poor argument. Harden has shot 44.3%FG after his year as the 6th man in OKC and has never cracked 47%FG as a #1/#2 option either, but you factor in all the 3s and FTs and he's actually more efficient than most of his peers as his TS% is in the 60s.

You're not wrong. If Kobe is as bad as these idiotic posters on this thread are saying, then what does that make the other elite guards and forwards during his time.

OP is dwelling on the fact that he never went above 47% and failing to look at the other guards during those very years. I provided the sample above. Reggie, Vince, TMac, Allen, Finley, Houston, Iverson, Peja, etc all shot below Kobe's clip for those years.

Why are people complaining? Kobe went to the finals 7 times and won 5 of them. As you said, look at guys like Harden, what leadership roles did they assume with the same volume that yielded the same results? It's utter nonsense to shit on Kobe for such things at this point without actually looking at the context.

[Johnny32]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...

he played with shaq when he was dominant too. multiple players would sag towards the paint every time he got the ball which opened up the perimeter even more. it really exposes kobe's extremely low basketball iq and terrible shot selection.

[tontoz]

OP is dwelling on the fact that he never went above 47% and failing to look at the other guards during those very years. I provided the sample above. Reggie, Vince, TMac, Allen, Finley, Houston, Iverson, Peja, etc all shot below Kobe's clip for those years.

.


OP's point is legit but his use of FG% is off base. Using EFG% more clearly shows Kobe's lack of efficiency.

Reggies career EFG is 6% higher than Kobe's. Peja's was 5% higher. Allen's 5% higher. None of those guys could finish inside as well as Kobe which shows just how bad Kobe's shot selection was.

[Rysio]

OP's point is legit but his use of FG% is off base. Using EFG% more clearly shows Kobe's lack of efficiency.

Reggies career EFG is 6% higher than Kobe's. Peja's was 5% higher. Allen's 5% higher. None of those guys could finish inside as well as Kobe which shows just how bad Kobe's shot selection was.

Those guys weren't scorers they were elite shooters obviously they will be more efficient. Comparing kobe to the scorerers of his time and he's the most efficient.

[tontoz]

Those guys weren't scorers they were elite shooters obviously they will be more efficient. Comparing kobe to the scorerers of his time and he's the most efficient.


I am not the one who brought up those guys but they played while Kobe was playing. And if you think they weren't scorers then you obviously didn't watch them in their prime.

Pretty sure all of them led their teams in scoring multiple years. Ray had 10 straight years averaging over 21 ppg.

[ImKobe]

You're not wrong. If Kobe is as bad as these idiotic posters on this thread are saying, then what does that make the other elite guards and forwards during his time.

OP is dwelling on the fact that he never went above 47% and failing to look at the other guards during those very years. I provided the sample above. Reggie, Vince, TMac, Allen, Finley, Houston, Iverson, Peja, etc all shot below Kobe's clip for those years.

Why are people complaining? Kobe went to the finals 7 times and won 5 of them. As you said, look at guys like Harden, what leadership roles did they assume with the same volume that yielded the same results? It's utter nonsense to shit on Kobe for such things at this point without actually looking at the context.

Kobe in '07 peaked at 31.6 ppg on 58%TS. T-Mac's peak was 32.1 ppg on 56.4%TS but that was pre-rule changes so I'd give him a slight nod there tbh. Wade in '09 averaged 30.4 ppg on 57.4%TS. Lebron himself peaked at 31.4 ppg on 56.8%TS in '06 and won the scoring title averaging 30.0 ppg on 56.8%TS in '08.

Kobe was really efficient for his era. There weren't any high 20s/low 30s perimeter scorers that had a 60+%TS in the 2000s. Dirk and PP were more efficient but didn't carry as big of an offensive burden or didn't play as many minutes as KB. AI from 99-06 is the only other perimeter scorer who consistently took as many shots and he was below Kobe in FG/TS% by a significant margin.

So yeah it's really weird that the Kobe efficiency argument went along for as much as it did in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Using the FG% stat alone can make a bunch of these great all-time perimeter scorers look really bad. FTs and 3s matter.


he played with shaq when he was dominant too. multiple players would sag towards the paint every time he got the ball which opened up the perimeter even more. it really exposes kobe's extremely low basketball iq and terrible shot selection.

You haven't watched any of those games if you think they were just leaving Kobe wide open like Westbrook lmao.. Just go look at the 2000 WCF tapes. Kobe was cooking Scottie Pippen 1 on 1.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe was obviously a great player in his prime, but he relied on the mid-range shot most than others and had a tendency to take bad shots at times, this as a result effected his FG%, he wasn't as bad as Iverson or Westbrook in this department, but in terms of efficiency, he was obviously a notch below other all-time greats like Bird, LeBron, MJ, Durant etc.

[PeroAntic]

Back then people cared less about fg percentage. Now its all about efficiency and players like Lebron protecting their fg percentage at all costs. Kobe didnt care about it, simple as

[TheCorporation]

Let's look at some other players during that time and see how they shot the ball:


Allen: .463%

Miller: .442%

Houston: .450%

Stojakovic: .460%

Smith: .449%

Hamilton: .433%

Pierce: .446%

Finley: .457%

Kobe: .467%



Kobe tier players :lol

[sportjames23]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...


How has Lebron never been above .500 in Finals series wins in his career? With the stacked teams he’s had, how is that possible?

[Shooter]

Wait...Not even one season above .469? In twenty years?

Anyone?

[Legend248]

Wait...Not even one season above .469? In twenty years?

Anyone?

Damn and it took lebum more years to catch kareem and he also shot 3 pointers while kareem only shot 2s and took him less games to score that many points. Lebum is the all time leader in turnovers. AND LET THIS SINK IN YOU PEASANT. LEBUM HAS A LOSING RECORD WITH THE LAKERS LOL HAHAHA HIS FIRST YEAR HE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS AND THIS YEAR DIDNT MAKE IT AT ALL WITH A STACKED TEAM. DO ME A FAVOR AND HANG YOURSELF I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU

[Shooter]

Damn and it took lebum more years to catch kareem and he also shot 3 pointers while kareem only shot 2s and took him less games to score that many points. Lebum is the all time leader in turnovers. AND LET THIS SINK IN YOU PEASANT. LEBUM HAS A LOSING RECORD WITH THE LAKERS LOL HAHAHA HIS FIRST YEAR HE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS AND THIS YEAR DIDNT MAKE IT AT ALL WITH A STACKED TEAM. DO ME A FAVOR AND HANG YOURSELF I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU

LeBron's Scoring Rank
Playoffs: 1st
Regular Season: 2nd

Bye :lol

[ImKobe]

Damn and it took lebum more years to catch kareem and he also shot 3 pointers while kareem only shot 2s and took him less games to score that many points. Lebum is the all time leader in turnovers. AND LET THIS SINK IN YOU PEASANT. LEBUM HAS A LOSING RECORD WITH THE LAKERS LOL HAHAHA HIS FIRST YEAR HE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS AND THIS YEAR DIDNT MAKE IT AT ALL WITH A STACKED TEAM. DO ME A FAVOR AND HANG YOURSELF I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU

Based.

[coastalmarker99]

Kareem got to feast on an incredibly weak NBA for most of his prime.


Hell the second-best player in the world in Doctor J was playing in another league.


Can you imagine the accolades that Lebron would have if Steph or Durant were out playing in another league?



Lebron would have

5 MVP's

6 rings

6 FMVP



As he gets Durant's MVP in 2014 and his teams most likely win three to four titles from 2015 to 2018.

[coastalmarker99]

For the record, Kareem was viewed as a loser in LA before Magic came and saved his career.

Outside of one great year in 1977.

As he missed the playoffs once and lost in the first round three times.

[Axe]

Kareem got to feast on an incredibly weak NBA for most of his prime.


Hell the second-best player in the world in Doctor J was playing in another league.


Can you imagine the accolades that Lebron would have if Steph or Durant were out playing in another league?



Lebron would have

5 MVP's

6 rings

6 FMVP



As he gets Durant's MVP in 2014 and his teams most likely win three to four titles from 2015 to 2018.
So basically he'd have four more rings than wilt if that were the case?

[Spurs m8]

Ah yes...the elitepower23 OP...the alt that got retired on NYE.

YOU FVCKIN LOSER

[LeGoat4Life]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...

How come OP never got laid even one time in his 20 years?

[BigKobeFan]

bran saves his shot percentages by passing out to the corner shooter with 3 seconds left in the clock. If it hits, its an assist because that recipient player cannot pass it. If it misses, bran saves his percentage.

[8Ball]

How is this possible?

0/20 on .470% FG or higher seaaons...

Because he took a ton of really bad shots and forced things.

[8Ball]

bran saves his shot percentages by passing out to the corner shooter with 3 seconds left in the clock. If it hits, its an assist because that recipient player cannot pass it. If it misses, bran saves his percentage.

Bran passed Kobe all time back in 2012 with that style of play.

Kobe should have learned from Bran.

[Baller789]

Bran passed Kobe all time back in 2012 with that style of play.

Kobe should have learned from Bran.

Well Kobe does have a better success Finals and Olympics rate than Lebron.

Unless you mean he needs to be a stat whore.

[8Ball]

Well Kobe does have a better success Finals and Olympics rate than Lebron.

Unless you mean he needs to be a stat whore.

15ppg on 40% is good enough for kobe to win.

[Shooter]

15ppg on 40% is good enough for kobe to win.

:lol Yep. How could we ever forget the Shaq treatment for Brickbe

[Shooter]

Well Kobe does have a better success Finals and Olympics rate than Lebron.

Unless you mean he needs to be a stat whore.

Yeah? How so? Kobe has 2 FMVP in 20 years....LeBron has 4. Keep up Junior.