Lebron might have a good career as a whole. but he's a failure everywhere he went

[HunterSThompson]

Location 1. ( home town era failure )

1 title in cleveland in 11 years? you never elevated the city. and that 1 title took a bullsh*t suspension and a series saving 3 by kyrie. so it should be 0 titles in 11 years but even 1 is pathetic when you factor in lebron was arguably a top 3 player for 9 of those 11 seasons and his fans say he was the best player in the league. he choked away the #1 seed to the orlando magic then again the next year to boston. then gave away 2015 to the warriors after being locked up by iguodala. a lot left on the table

Location 2 ( south beach failure )

the Miami Heatles was a failed experiment lasting only 4 years with just 2 titles after promising 8+ and having 2 of the all time worst collapses vs dallas in 2011 and sanantonio in 2014 while needing absolute bullshit luck to win in 2013. so much left on the table and it should really only be 1 title... well they rigged the boston ECF series so maybe 0

Location 3 ( Hollywood failure )

Lebron turned his back on his home town to make movies in LA only to have it flop historically. he sacrificed half the nba fan base turning the nba into a pro china/anti white liberal sh*thole for nothing. lebron basically became a fat alcoholic cigar smoking hollywood bum that can't even do his own dunks in a movie called space JAM and sacrificed an entire season for that stank a** movie. he missed the playoffs his first year then lucks out a bubble title with davis carrying him all year. then gets booted out of the 1st round a year later by little devin booker and CP0... nobody counts a ring won with zero fans or travel after a 5 month break. especially when kevin durant and kyrie irving skip it intentionally when fully healthy. would be like hakeem winning in 95 and letting drexler win fmvp with jordan still gone playing baseball and scottie checking into a mental health clinic like he should have ( same with kyrie )... should be 0 titles and anthony davis shouldn't even be there.



but he had minor success in an overall total failed experiment every place hes gone. only when you combine all of them does it not seem so bad. if he had won 4 titles in one place he becomes a hero to one of these cities. but sadly the only people that look up to him are a collection of traveling circus midgets that pack up and go from town to town setting up their tents for the next carnival ...lebron never truly elevated a franchise. hes just left them all with mostly disappointment and embarrassment


the cavs are still a joke. the heat are no more revered than they were prior to 2011, and the lakers if anything took a nose dive in terms of all time respect from fans. people were just getting that bought and paid for taste out of their mouths from the wilt, kareem and shaq days... the kobe/gasol era was organic. then lebron and AD take them back to square one looking like a thieving franchise again with zero self respect. thanks jeanie


all of these fans are left wanting more.

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Sad-Cavaliers-Fans-Angelo-Merendino-Getty-Images.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I4afRTDMYCc/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pRmt9Mj/Screen-Shot-2021-07-23-at-2-14-46-AM.png




you let them down lebron. and whoever replies with the laker celebration from the bubble.. save it. laker fans werent even there. there was no parade. nobody even saw it or wants to watch it over again due to the lack of an nba atmosphere. laker fans don't remember what they didn't see. miami fans don't remember what they were promised and never saw . cavs fans are all literally in LA right now pretending they never lived in ohio to begin with


lebron is a failure every step of the way. his player empowerment crap destroyed the teams he played for and it destroyed the league for a solid 10 years. he left the game in worse shape than when he inherited it. but maybe giannis can pick up the pieces and keep the league from losing all its tv deals and business in china. thanks for nothing lebron

[LAL]

Watching guys like Giannis & KD, those are the real basketball freaks with long arms and bodies taking advantage of it, then you have the skilled basketball players. Then there is lebron who has more of a football players built, trying to hide his ugly game instead of being constantly agressive with it, still trying hard to fool people into thinking he's a "finesse" player like MJ & Kobe.

He should retire.

[Spurs m8]

Ugly game

Lack of fundamentals

Always needed a lot of help to get success

[Iverson3]

Melt down.

[HunterSThompson]

think of it this way

Wade's still #1 for Miami

kobe/magic/Kareem/shaq/west/wilt are still ahead of lebron in LA

and all it would take is 2 measly rings in Cleveland to surpass his legacy there

he has no legacy any fan base can hang their hat on

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron took the Cavs who have zero finals appearances without him in their entire history.


To 5 NBA finals plus he also won a legendary ring with them in 2016.



Lebron took the Heat who kept losing in the first round after 2006 to four straight finals and two rings.



It should be noted that the Heat in their entire history without Lebron have only appeared in two NBA finals in 2006 and 2020 and they won only one ring in their entire history without Lebron in 2006.




The Lakers were a laughing stock around the NBA for most of the 2010s before Lebron came in 2018 and bought the Lakers back into relevance.


And in his second year there he would win a ring and finals MVP for them after the late great Kobe Bryant died which makes his ring in 2020 even more special for Laker fans and management.

[coastalmarker99]

Also as a Lakers fan who gives a **** if we are seen by the other fan bases as a thieving franchise.


As the main objective for every team in the NBA is to build a team that can win rings.


Do you think the Warrior's management and fans give a **** that they poached KD away from 2016 which resulted in another two rings for them.


No, they don't.

[HunterSThompson]

Lebron took the Cavs who have zero finals appearances without him in their entire history.


To 5 NBA finals plus he also won a legendary ring with them in 2016.



Lebron took the Heat who kept losing in the first round after 2006 to four straight finals and two rings.



It should be noted that the Heat in their entire history without Lebron have only appeared in two NBA finals in 2006 and 2020 and they won only one ring in their entire history without Lebron in 2006.




The Lakers were a laughing stock for most of the 2010s before Lebron came in 2018 and bought the Lakers back into relevance.


And in his second year there he would win a ring and finals MVP for them after the late great Kobe Bryant died which makes his ring in 2020 even more special for Laker fans and management.

1 title in 5 finals with cleveland and the 1 title is bogus due to draymond being suspended by adam silver under lebrons orders via phone call... YUK

2 out of 4 finals with miami when you're favorited to win all 4 and predicted to win 8 straight... and the 2 consist of 1 fake lockout shortened season and 1 bail out title by ray allen... YUK

1 bubble title and 2 utter failure seasons with a failed movie while driving away half the nba and laker fanbase with AD being proven to be the main reason for the disney bubble title ... YUK



all lebron fans have for their argument is team history or recent playoff history.. its never about what he actually did. you gotta put some narrative or spin on it


like "yeah i know that movie sucked. but it wasn't as bad as the last 10 i saw"

or "well she was fat and disgusting but you were a virgin before you got with that tranny"


congrats.. failure

[HunterSThompson]

Also as a Lakers fan who gives a **** if we are seen by the other fan bases as a thieving franchise.


As the main objective for every team in the NBA is to build a team that can win rings.


Do you think the Warrior's management and fans give a **** that they poached KD away from 2016 which resulted in another two rings for them.


No, they don't.

warrior fans hate durant you nitwit lol

[Spurs m8]

Yeah...AD brought the Lakers back

Bron couldn't even make the playoffs without him


And then couldn't even come close to a win these playoffs when he went down and wasn't scoring 34 to carry Bron

[Axe]

Funny how these snowflakes are merely triggered by kong's existence and his career.

[Axe]

Lebron took the Cavs who have zero finals appearances without him in their entire history.


To 5 NBA finals plus he also won a legendary ring with them in 2016.



Lebron took the Heat who kept losing in the first round after 2006 to four straight finals and two rings.



It should be noted that the Heat in their entire history without Lebron have only appeared in two NBA finals in 2006 and 2020 and they won only one ring in their entire history without Lebron in 2006.




The Lakers were a laughing stock around the NBA for most of the 2010s before Lebron came in 2018 and bought the Lakers back into relevance.


And in his second year there he would win a ring and finals MVP for them after the late great Kobe Bryant died which makes his ring in 2020 even more special for Laker fans and management.
While it's his choice and privilege to go wherever he wants to, i think it would have been more valuable if he did brought rings to ringless western teams instead, like the suns or the clippers, rather than go to an already-prestigious team such as the lakers that saw them won multiple times before with the help of atgs like west, magic, kareem, shaq and kobe, etc.

[k0kakw0rld]

Get a ****ing life you moron. Writing essays about someone who became the first active NBA player to to earn a billion. Shut the fk up and die slow bitchass niqqa.

[MrFonzworth]

Knew this would be about Space Jam.

[SATAN]

Location 1. ( home town era failure )

1 title in cleveland in 11 years? you never elevated the city. and that 1 title took a bullsh*t suspension and a series saving 3 by kyrie. so it should be 0 titles in 11 years but even 1 is pathetic when you factor in lebron was arguably a top 3 player for 9 of those 11 seasons and his fans say he was the best player in the league. he choked away the #1 seed to the orlando magic then again the next year to boston. then gave away 2015 to the warriors after being locked up by iguodala. a lot left on the table

Location 2 ( south beach failure )

the Miami Heatles was a failed experiment lasting only 4 years with just 2 titles after promising 8+ and having 2 of the all time worst collapses vs dallas in 2011 and sanantonio in 2014 while needing absolute bullshit luck to win in 2013. so much left on the table and it should really only be 1 title... well they rigged the boston ECF series so maybe 0

Location 3 ( Hollywood failure )

Lebron turned his back on his home town to make movies in LA only to have it flop historically. he sacrificed half the nba fan base turning the nba into a pro china/anti white liberal sh*thole for nothing. lebron basically became a fat alcoholic cigar smoking hollywood bum that can't even do his own dunks in a movie called space JAM and sacrificed an entire season for that stank a** movie. he missed the playoffs his first year then lucks out a bubble title with davis carrying him all year. then gets booted out of the 1st round a year later by little devin booker and CP0... nobody counts a ring won with zero fans or travel after a 5 month break. especially when kevin durant and kyrie irving skip it intentionally when fully healthy. would be like hakeem winning in 95 and letting drexler win fmvp with jordan still gone playing baseball and scottie checking into a mental health clinic like he should have ( same with kyrie )... should be 0 titles and anthony davis shouldn't even be there.



but he had minor success in an overall total failed experiment every place hes gone. only when you combine all of them does it not seem so bad. if he had won 4 titles in one place he becomes a hero to one of these cities. but sadly the only people that look up to him are a collection of traveling circus midgets that pack up and go from town to town setting up their tents for the next carnival ...lebron never truly elevated a franchise. hes just left them all with mostly disappointment and embarrassment


the cavs are still a joke. the heat are no more revered than they were prior to 2011, and the lakers if anything took a nose dive in terms of all time respect from fans. people were just getting that bought and paid for taste out of their mouths from the wilt, kareem and shaq days... the kobe/gasol era was organic. then lebron and AD take them back to square one looking like a thieving franchise again with zero self respect. thanks jeanie


all of these fans are left wanting more.

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Sad-Cavaliers-Fans-Angelo-Merendino-Getty-Images.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I4afRTDMYCc/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pRmt9Mj/Screen-Shot-2021-07-23-at-2-14-46-AM.png




you let them down lebron. and whoever replies with the laker celebration from the bubble.. save it. laker fans werent even there. there was no parade. nobody even saw it or wants to watch it over again due to the lack of an nba atmosphere. laker fans don't remember what they didn't see. miami fans don't remember what they were promised and never saw . cavs fans are all literally in LA right now pretending they never lived in ohio to begin with


lebron is a failure every step of the way. his player empowerment crap destroyed the teams he played for and it destroyed the league for a solid 10 years. he left the game in worse shape than when he inherited it. but maybe giannis can pick up the pieces and keep the league from losing all its tv deals and business in china. thanks for nothing lebron

You would have to be extremely insecure to type all this about some guy you've never met, surely? To say LeBron James isn't successful is extremely odd.

(Didn't read it btw)

[SouBeachTalents]

The guy who's won a title everywhere he's went has been a failure everywhere he's went

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a23a0d09a3fbb287f1c0271d67e5a729/tumblr_o183eg7Okh1tjydheo3_500.gif

[nineiron]

this thread needs to be stickied

[nineiron]

The guy who's won a title everywhere he's went has been a failure everywhere he's went

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a23a0d09a3fbb287f1c0271d67e5a729/tumblr_o183eg7Okh1tjydheo3_500.gif

why are you bringing Danny Green into this?

[Gudo]

So much truth in this thread.

The most correct thing that Lebron did was go back to CLE. But that was more of evening things out. It was like the prodigal son. You done fked up the first time already.

[FKAri]

So much truth in this thread.

As much truth as most ISH threads. Which is none at all.

[Bronbron23]

Location 1. ( home town era failure )

1 title in cleveland in 11 years? you never elevated the city. and that 1 title took a bullsh*t suspension and a series saving 3 by kyrie. so it should be 0 titles in 11 years but even 1 is pathetic when you factor in lebron was arguably a top 3 player for 9 of those 11 seasons and his fans say he was the best player in the league. he choked away the #1 seed to the orlando magic then again the next year to boston. then gave away 2015 to the warriors after being locked up by iguodala. a lot left on the table

Location 2 ( south beach failure )

the Miami Heatles was a failed experiment lasting only 4 years with just 2 titles after promising 8+ and having 2 of the all time worst collapses vs dallas in 2011 and sanantonio in 2014 while needing absolute bullshit luck to win in 2013. so much left on the table and it should really only be 1 title... well they rigged the boston ECF series so maybe 0

Location 3 ( Hollywood failure )

Lebron turned his back on his home town to make movies in LA only to have it flop historically. he sacrificed half the nba fan base turning the nba into a pro china/anti white liberal sh*thole for nothing. lebron basically became a fat alcoholic cigar smoking hollywood bum that can't even do his own dunks in a movie called space JAM and sacrificed an entire season for that stank a** movie. he missed the playoffs his first year then lucks out a bubble title with davis carrying him all year. then gets booted out of the 1st round a year later by little devin booker and CP0... nobody counts a ring won with zero fans or travel after a 5 month break. especially when kevin durant and kyrie irving skip it intentionally when fully healthy. would be like hakeem winning in 95 and letting drexler win fmvp with jordan still gone playing baseball and scottie checking into a mental health clinic like he should have ( same with kyrie )... should be 0 titles and anthony davis shouldn't even be there.



but he had minor success in an overall total failed experiment every place hes gone. only when you combine all of them does it not seem so bad. if he had won 4 titles in one place he becomes a hero to one of these cities. but sadly the only people that look up to him are a collection of traveling circus midgets that pack up and go from town to town setting up their tents for the next carnival ...lebron never truly elevated a franchise. hes just left them all with mostly disappointment and embarrassment


the cavs are still a joke. the heat are no more revered than they were prior to 2011, and the lakers if anything took a nose dive in terms of all time respect from fans. people were just getting that bought and paid for taste out of their mouths from the wilt, kareem and shaq days... the kobe/gasol era was organic. then lebron and AD take them back to square one looking like a thieving franchise again with zero self respect. thanks jeanie


all of these fans are left wanting more.

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Sad-Cavaliers-Fans-Angelo-Merendino-Getty-Images.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I4afRTDMYCc/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pRmt9Mj/Screen-Shot-2021-07-23-at-2-14-46-AM.png




you let them down lebron. and whoever replies with the laker celebration from the bubble.. save it. laker fans werent even there. there was no parade. nobody even saw it or wants to watch it over again due to the lack of an nba atmosphere. laker fans don't remember what they didn't see. miami fans don't remember what they were promised and never saw . cavs fans are all literally in LA right now pretending they never lived in ohio to begin with


lebron is a failure every step of the way. his player empowerment crap destroyed the teams he played for and it destroyed the league for a solid 10 years. he left the game in worse shape than when he inherited it. but maybe giannis can pick up the pieces and keep the league from losing all its tv deals and business in china. thanks for nothing lebron

Come on man a failure? He won 2/4 in miami. I thought they should of ran the table but that's hardly a failure. He brought a chip to his city and brought one back to L.A. not sure how u consider that a failure.

[guy]

Failure is a strong word.

He definitely did not meet expectations in Cleveland or Miami though. Maybe they were high expectations, but nevertheless he did not meet it. If you told people after he was drafted and then after he rejoined Cleveland that they were only going to win 1 title, people would've said that was a disappointment. If you told people after he joined Miami that they were only going to win 2 titles, people would've said that was a disappointment.

I wouldn't say the same about the Lakers. He joined them so late in his career that him winning 1 title isn't a disappointment.

It is a bit out of the ordinary that someone of his greatness has never led his team on one of the more dominant runs in history. Nothing like the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 00s Lakers, 00s Spurs, 10s Warriors. At best, the 10s Heat were the equivalent of the Bad Boy Pistons.

[Bronbron23]

Failure is a strong word.

He definitely did not meet expectations in Cleveland or Miami though. Maybe they were high expectations, but nevertheless he did not meet it. If you told people after he was drafted and then after he rejoined Cleveland that they were only going to win 1 title, people would've said that was a disappointment. If you told people after he joined Miami that they were only going to win 2 titles, people would've said that was a disappointment.

I wouldn't say the same about the Lakers. He joined them so late in his career that him winning 1 title isn't a disappointment.

It is a bit out of the ordinary that someone of his greatness has never led his team on one of the more dominant runs in history. Nothing like the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 00s Lakers, 00s Spurs, 10s Warriors. At best, the 10s Heat were the equivalent of the Bad Boy Pistons.

This is a far response. Saying he underachieved based on his talent and teams is fine. Saying he failed is just nuts.

[nineiron]

This is a far response. Saying he underachieved based on his talent and teams is fine. Saying he failed is just nuts.

when you talk about getting 8 and only get 2 (which should have been just 1), i'd say that's a failure.

also, 4 out of 10 is a failing grade at any school. (except for the 'special' schools that ppl like 8ball go to)

[Bronbron23]

when you talk about getting 8 and only get 2 (which should have been just 1), i'd say that's a failure.

also, 4 out of 10 is a failing grade at any school. (except for the 'special' schools that ppl like 8ball go to)

Just because you don't reach your or others expectations that dosn't mean your a failure in general. You can fail at many things without being a failure. Failure is just a terrible way to put it.

And 4 out of 10 isn't a failure when it comes to outcomes necessarily. It just depends on the situation. Is Winning the worlds richest person title 4/10 times a failure? You have to put the 4/10 in perspective man.

[nineiron]

Just because you don't reach your or others expectations that dosn't mean your a failure in general. You can fail at many things without being a failure. Failure is just a terrible way to put it.

And 4 out of 10 isn't a failure when it comes to outcomes necessarily. It just depends on the situation. Is Winning the worlds richest person title 4/10 times a failure? You have to put the 4/10 in perspective man.

fine. he failed in his own eyes. (but yet calls himself the GOAT) LMFAO

[LAL]

when you talk about getting 8 and only get 2 (which should have been just 1), i'd say that's a failure.

also, 4 out of 10 is a failing grade at any school. (except for the 'special' schools that ppl like 8ball go to)

:oldlol:

[Airupthere]

Just because you don't reach your or others expectations that dosn't mean your a failure in general. You can fail at many things without being a failure. Failure is just a terrible way to put it.

And 4 out of 10 isn't a failure when it comes to outcomes necessarily. It just depends on the situation. Is Winning the worlds richest person title 4/10 times a failure? You have to put the 4/10 in perspective man.

Not saying Lebron was a failure per se but Lebron had everything he needed to surpass MJ. I would give him a pass during his first CLE stint. Starting in MIA though, he had everything on his side and yet did not meet expectations. 4/10 in the finals with all the good things he had going for him, while placing himself in the talks of goat, that 2011 poor performance.. these don't stack up to meeting expectations.

It's like a dad giving his supposedly smart kid all the resources, money, attention, exposure, time etc to go to grad school and the kid barely passes.

[nineiron]

Not saying Lebron was a failure per se but Lebron had everything he needed to surpass MJ. I would give him a pass during his first CLE stint. Starting in MIA though, he had everything on his side and yet did not meet expectations. 4/10 in the finals with all the good things he had going for him, while placing himself in the talks of goat, that 2011 poor performance.. these don't stack up to meeting expectations.

It's like a dad giving his supposedly smart kid all the resources, money, attention, exposure, time etc to go to grad school and the kid barely passes.

yet the kid calls himself "the smartest of all time"

[Bronbron23]

Not saying Lebron was a failure per se but Lebron had everything he needed to surpass MJ. I would give him a pass during his first CLE stint. Starting in MIA though, he had everything on his side and yet did not meet expectations. 4/10 in the finals with all the good things he had going for him, while placing himself in the talks of goat, that 2011 poor performance.. these don't stack up to meeting expectations.

It's like a dad giving his supposedly smart kid all the resources, money, attention, exposure, time etc to go to grad school and the kid barely passes.

Yeah thats fine. I wouldn't disagree with most of that. I guess i just find the word failure a bit much. And i wouldn't say 4/10 is barley passing either. 4 chips un a career is still pretty sick.

[nineiron]

Yeah thats fine. I wouldn't disagree with most of that. I guess i just find the word failure a bit much. And i wouldn't say 4/10 is barley passing either. 4 chips un a career is still pretty sick.

not while colluding.

[TheMan]

Nah, can't agree with the OP, too harsh. He hasn't met the lofty expectations that he himself put out, that I can agree with.

I was thinking this the other day after Giannis won his chip and seeing how much respect he was getting for doing it the right way...imagine if LeBron never left the Cavs to create a superteam, firmly believe they would've eventually broken through and even if he didn't have 4 titles, maybe 2 or 3 with the franchise that drafted him and winning them organically, he would be much more respected and popular right now. Let's face it, out of all the GOAT tier players I have seen since Magic and Larry, LeBron is easily the most unpopular one in general with NBA fans, and it started with that cringey "The Decision" and went south fast with his "it's gonna be easy" and "not 1, not 2, not 3" clown show. It also doesn't help him that he's been so vocal politically and interjecting his douchey opinions on Twitter.

Failure is too strong of a word, he's a GOAT tier player, but he is so obviously not the GOAT to all of us except his hardcore supporters, a decided minority albeit a very vocal one

[FireDavidKahn]

He's won a championship everywhere he's went

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

fine. he failed in his own eyes. (but yet calls himself the GOAT) LMFAO

Well i don't think he's the goat. I just don't think he's anywhere close to a failure is all

[TheMan]

Failure is a strong word.

He definitely did not meet expectations in Cleveland or Miami though. Maybe they were high expectations, but nevertheless he did not meet it. If you told people after he was drafted and then after he rejoined Cleveland that they were only going to win 1 title, people would've said that was a disappointment. If you told people after he joined Miami that they were only going to win 2 titles, people would've said that was a disappointment.

I wouldn't say the same about the Lakers. He joined them so late in his career that him winning 1 title isn't a disappointment.

It is a bit out of the ordinary that someone of his greatness has never led his team on one of the more dominant runs in history. Nothing like the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 00s Lakers, 00s Spurs, 10s Warriors. At best, the 10s Heat were the equivalent of the Bad Boy Pistons.
Great take, you're right, he's never led a dominant run like those teams you mentioned, the closest he got was with the Heat beginning in 2012, but then they had to go 7 games vs the Spurs where an all time great last second shot by Ray Allen essentially saved LeBron from another disappointing Finals to the next season getting wiped off the floor by those same Spurs. Dude for as great as he's been, never had an air of invincibility like other GOATs had at some point in their careers...

[Bronbron23]

not while colluding.

If colluding is a problem for you as far as assessing players than that's your own opinion. I personally don't care that much about colluding. Magic, kobe and mj were all lucky to have Gm's put great players around them. Not everyone is as luck. What was bron supposed to do? Wait around for gilbert to get his shit together?

[nineiron]

If colluding is a problem for you as far as assessing players than that's your own opinion. I personally don't care that much about colluding. Magic, kobe and mj were all lucky to have Gm's put great players around them. Not everyone is as luck. What was bron supposed to do? Wait around for gilbert to get his shit together?

name one "great" player that MJ played with?

[8Ball]

Scottie Pippen is a top 25 player on all list rankings. Where Wade is.

[8Ball]

Winning champions everywhere he went is considered failing to OP.

[Gudo]

Lebron is extremely gifted and lucky to have had great teammates as he colluded. The fact that at 36-37, he is still throwing everything he's got, still ring chasing and statpadding just to push his value up a little more, it means someone didn't finish their homework within the given time.

His prime years in MIA, if he only did 4/4 then he would have solidified his goat status by now. But the MIA **** ups were there. They happened when they shouldn't have.

[Wally450]

OP is a sad, sad individual. Not even trolling.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron is extremely gifted and lucky to have had great teammates as he colluded. The fact that at 36-37, he is still throwing everything he's got, still ring chasing and statpadding just to push his value up a little more, it means someone didn't finish their homework within the given time.

His prime years in MIA, if he only did 4/4 then he would have solidified his goat status by now. But the MIA **** ups were there. They happened when they shouldn't have.
Exactly, the true greats are secure in their standing and never play this long. Kareem was out of the league way before 40, Jordan would never unretire and play till 40, and Tom Brady would never play into his mid 40's. Only LeBron would be insecure enough to play basketball while he's still physically able

[Wally450]

Lebron is extremely gifted and lucky to have had great teammates as he colluded. The fact that at 36-37, he is still throwing everything he's got, still ring chasing and statpadding just to push his value up a little more, it means someone didn't finish their homework within the given time.

His prime years in MIA, if he only did 4/4 then he would have solidified his goat status by now. But the MIA **** ups were there. They happened when they shouldn't have.

What an absolutely terrible post. :oldlol:

[guy]

Not saying Lebron was a failure per se but Lebron had everything he needed to surpass MJ. I would give him a pass during his first CLE stint. Starting in MIA though, he had everything on his side and yet did not meet expectations. 4/10 in the finals with all the good things he had going for him, while placing himself in the talks of goat, that 2011 poor performance.. these don't stack up to meeting expectations.

It's like a dad giving his supposedly smart kid all the resources, money, attention, exposure, time etc to go to grad school and the kid barely passes.

The school analogy doesn't really work. Only one team wins it all. Every kid in a class can pass and/or be a great student. Now Lebron's the equivalent of a D student? :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

I like how OP's "failure" explanation for the Lakers was way longer than his Cavs & Heat failures. Just shows how shook this guy is by LeBron just coming to LA and immediately winning the chip and dominating like Kobe never did.

[guy]

Great take, you're right, he's never led a dominant run like those teams you mentioned, the closest he got was with the Heat beginning in 2012, but then they had to go 7 games vs the Spurs where an all time great last second shot by Ray Allen essentially saved LeBron from another disappointing Finals to the next season getting wiped off the floor by those same Spurs. Dude for as great as he's been, never had an air of invincibility like other GOATs had at some point in their careers...

He could've easily had it in Miami by not choking away 2011. 3 straight titles basically puts them on the level of half those runs I mentioned. Obviously the pressure from the move he made got to him at that point.

And he probably could've won 3 titles with Cleveland the 2nd time around if KD doesn't join the Warriors, a move I don't think KD makes if Lebron didn't set a precedent that KD took to another level.

Ironically, he may have actually been better off if he never took colluding approach in the first place.

[1987_Lakers]

Nah, can't agree with the OP, too harsh. He hasn't met the lofty expectations that he himself put out, that I can agree with.

I was thinking this the other day after Giannis won his chip and seeing how much respect he was getting for doing it the right way...imagine if LeBron never left the Cavs to create a superteam, firmly believe they would've eventually broken through and even if he didn't have 4 titles, maybe 2 or 3 with the franchise that drafted him and winning them organically, he would be much more respected and popular right now. Let's face it, out of all the GOAT tier players I have seen since Magic and Larry, LeBron is easily the most unpopular one in general with NBA fans, and it started with that cringey "The Decision" and went south fast with his "it's gonna be easy" and "not 1, not 2, not 3" clown show. It also doesn't help him that he's been so vocal politically and interjecting his douchey opinions on Twitter.

Failure is too strong of a word, he's a GOAT tier player, but he is so obviously not the GOAT to all of us except his hardcore supporters, a decided minority albeit a very vocal one

Please, if LeBron won a championship with this Bucks team the only thing we would hear the haters say is "He won it cause the Nets, Clippers etc were injured".

LeBron is on another level compared to Giannis in terms of popularity so he is more scrutinized, not one thing he does right will be acknowledged by his critics.

[SouBeachTalents]

Please, if LeBron won a championship with this Bucks team the only thing we would hear the haters say is "He won it cause the Nets, Clippers etc were injured".

LeBron is on another level compared to Giannis in terms of popularity so he is more scrutinized, not one thing he does right will be acknowledged by his critics.
The thing I hate most about that argument is if LeBron stayed in Cleveland he could easily be stuck at 0-1 rings, and the very people criticizing him for leaving would now be clowning him for his lack of titles. The emphasis on winning with your original team is honestly stupid. Whether you're able to do that is heavily reliant on how competent the front office is, something that's completely out of a players control.

[1987_Lakers]

And he probably could've won 3 titles with Cleveland the 2nd time around if KD doesn't join the Warriors, a move I don't think KD makes if Lebron didn't set a precedent that KD took to another level.

Yea, we all Know KD looks up to LeBron and mirrors everything he does, remember when LeBron tackled that fan that hit a half court shot then KD did the very same thing a couple of months later?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd3jUPq3Lw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlNdnjuRUYQ

[red1]

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[red1]

only player in NBA history to lead 3 different franchises to a title


including breaking the cleveland curse

led the heat to win 2 of their 3 franchise's rings

also got the lakers back into the playoffs the year that kobe died



this is why you get bullied OP. :oldlol:


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[ELITEpower23]

LeBron is the only player to lead three different franchises to a FMVP

LeGiannis fam ouchea like

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[Airupthere]

Please, if LeBron won a championship with this Bucks team the only thing we would hear the haters say is "He won it cause the Nets, Clippers etc were injured".

LeBron is on another level compared to Giannis in terms of popularity so he is more scrutinized, not one thing he does right will be acknowledged by his critics.

Spare us the drama. Lebron was viewed differently before he colluded in MIA. Had he won in CLE without colluding in MIA, he would be equally, if not respected more than Giannis.

[1987_Lakers]

Spare us the drama. Lebron was viewed differently before he colluded in MIA. Had he won in CLE without colluding in MIA, he would be equally, if not respected more than Giannis.

LeBron in 2009 & 2010 was already more hated than Giannis will ever be, I still remember the constant troll threads on here when LeBron got eliminated those years. Giannis wasn't big enough to gather that type of attention when his '19 & '20 Failures happened, it was discussed, but never on the level of LeBron.

Think of it this way, when Drew Brees won his first and only super bowl fans in general gave him his props, when he failed in the postseason it wasn't a big deal. When Tom Brady won a championship it was always "system QB", "Bill Belichick is the reason why they won", "Cheater", it was the same when he lost. Brady is just on another level in terms of popularity, just like LeBron is.

Peyton Manning also got alot of hate, but he's usually looked at as a better QB than Brees.

[Overdrive]

Not saying Lebron was a failure per se but Lebron had everything he needed to surpass MJ. I would give him a pass during his first CLE stint. Starting in MIA though, he had everything on his side and yet did not meet expectations. 4/10 in the finals with all the good things he had going for him, while placing himself in the talks of goat, that 2011 poor performance.. these don't stack up to meeting expectations.

It's like a dad giving his supposedly smart kid all the resources, money, attention, exposure, time etc to go to grad school and the kid barely passes.

He had good things going for him, or made things go for him, but a big chunk of his later career was in an era of transition when a prototypical team emerged that snagged some titles away he could've otherwise won. Even the '16 one was an outlier. Those dubs should've easily 5-peated.

I definately don't think he failed, but he became totally unlike- and unrelatable after he joined Miami. He used to be a fan favourite before.

[Dbrog]

Shaq got hate when he went ring chasing, as did Dwight, Karl Malone, GP, etc etc. The difference was when those guys did it, they were washed up. Now...I'll always stand behind Bron was created by 2 things: 1) Being called the "chosen one" since he was in early HS (it was a big deal when he got the hummer and shoe contract before he graduated) and 2) being spanked repeatedly by the STACKED Celtics who formed a superteam, albeit through trading. These two things created the dynamics of him thinking he's great and better than others, and that in order to win, you need to team up....granted he took it to a whole nother level. Never before has a great player shamelessly ring chased so early in their career and in the way he did it, destroyed franchises for years after either with salary issues or having them trade all their picks (only reason he won a ring in Cleveland was ironically because they traded him, used the assets, and got him back for free...it was a free rebuild he got to skip and reap the benefits from).

For all these reasons, I'll never be able to respect how Bron has used his career, even if I understand why. It's more depressing than anything really because as others have mentioned, if he would have just stayed in Cleveland and brought them a chip or two, I would have him ranked much higher than I do now (or at least as high) with him having 4 chips.

[nineiron]

Scottie Pippen is a top 25 player on all list rankings. Where Wade is.

Pippen is the most over rated player in the history of the NBA

[Bronbron23]

name one "great" player that MJ played with?

Ummm pippen:confusedshrug:

[nineiron]

Ummm pippen:confusedshrug:

Pippen is the most over rated player in the history of the NBA

[red1]

LeBron in 2009 & 2010 was already more hated than Giannis will ever be, I still remember the constant troll threads on here when LeBron got eliminated those years. Giannis wasn't big enough to gather that type of attention when his '19 & '20 Failures happened, it was discussed, but never on the level of LeBron.

Think of it this way, when Drew Brees won his first and only super bowl fans in general gave him his props, when he failed in the postseason it wasn't a big deal. When Tom Brady won a championship it was always "system QB", "Bill Belichick is the reason why they won", "Cheater", it was the same when he lost. Brady is just on another level in terms of popularity, just like LeBron is.

Peyton Manning also got alot of hate, but he's usually looked at as a better QB than Brees.

all facts. these haters are obsessed because they know they've been taking Ls. :oldlol:

[HunterSThompson]

Please, if LeBron won a championship with this Bucks team the only thing we would hear the haters say is "He won it cause the Nets, Clippers etc were injured".

LeBron is on another level compared to Giannis in terms of popularity so he is more scrutinized, not one thing he does right will be acknowledged by his critics.

I've literally been saying this giannis title is nearly just as lame as the bubble 2020 title and he was mostly carried by his teammates past the heats wall defense and he was literally carried to the finals while sidelined.. also said he likely won't ever win again and this was a fluke.

I'm honest about every player. even lebron being above curry. I put lebron in my top 5 tied with giannis the other day depending on health and defensive schemes. all time lebrons in my top 10. I'm the most objective poster on ISH.. so believe me when I say this


theres a ton of people in Cleveland, Miami and LA that think lebron left a lot on the table and never realized his full potential. he's also never elevated a single franchise. he had a great career overall but its only due to ring chasing and reloading every 4 years. he should realistically have won twice as much.

no fan base is satisfied with what he's done. the cavs are still a joke. they weren't given legitimacy and made into a nightly sell out and iconic brand like Chicago. and before jordan got there that team was the cavs basically

lebron is a failure in Cleveland. in Miami and in LA.. all his accomplishments are tainted and he never lived up to the hype anywhere he's gone.

he might play 25 years in the nba and still have less rings than a guy who really just played 12 or 13

[8Ball]

Lebron is extremely gifted and lucky to have had great teammates as he colluded. The fact that at 36-37, he is still throwing everything he's got, still ring chasing and statpadding just to push his value up a little more, it means someone didn't finish their homework within the given time.

His prime years in MIA, if he only did 4/4 then he would have solidified his goat status by now. But the MIA **** ups were there. They happened when they shouldn't have.

Washington Wizards 2002 2003 :roll:

[000]

Kobe is a fraud. He shouldve been locked up for rape instead of winning titles

[8Ball]

Kobe is a fraud. He shouldve been locked up for rape instead of winning titles

Wtf is wrong with you.

Kobe is top 10 top 12 player all time.

[000]

Wtf is wrong with you.

Kobe is top 10 top 12 player all time.
What does that have to do with what I said

[Bronbron23]

Pippen is the most over rated player in the history of the NBA

Nah man. On here he's overrated by bron stans and underrated by mj stans but by most rational people he's rated fine.

[nineiron]

Nah man. On here he's overrated by bron stans and underrated by mj stans but by most rational people he's rated fine.

which is where?

[MrFonzworth]

What does that have to do with what I said

Crackhead is the biggest retard on the board. Bought championships btw.

[TheMan]

which is where?

Somewhere in the top 25-30 range. Was Pippen a guy who could lead a franchise to a chip, doubtful but he was MJ's sidekick through it all and even MJ has said that if you talk about him and his 6 championships, you should also talk about Pippen. That's high praise from the GOAT.

[nineiron]

Somewhere in the top 25-30 range. Was Pippen a guy who could lead a franchise to a chip, doubtful but he was MJ's sidekick through it all and even MJ has said that if you talk about him and his 6 championships, you should also talk about Pippen. That's high praise from the GOAT.

What do you expect him to say? “Pippin is trash and it was all me”

I can easily name 30 players that were/are better than Pippen. Easily

[Bronbron23]

which is where?

Somewhere in the top 50 depending on who you ask. Anywhere between 20-50 is reasonable imo.

[Hey Yo]

Lemme know when LeBron told the 17 win Cavs not to draft him cause he'll only play for the 2nd most successful NBA franchise who was a contending 4 seed that summer.

I'll take the guy who tried to build a championship team over the dude who wanted it the easy way from the get go

[Axe]

Failure is a strong word.

He definitely did not meet expectations in Cleveland or Miami though. Maybe they were high expectations, but nevertheless he did not meet it. If you told people after he was drafted and then after he rejoined Cleveland that they were only going to win 1 title, people would've said that was a disappointment. If you told people after he joined Miami that they were only going to win 2 titles, people would've said that was a disappointment.

I wouldn't say the same about the Lakers. He joined them so late in his career that him winning 1 title isn't a disappointment.

It is a bit out of the ordinary that someone of his greatness has never led his team on one of the more dominant runs in history. Nothing like the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, 00s Lakers, 00s Spurs, 10s Warriors. At best, the 10s Heat were the equivalent of the Bad Boy Pistons.
This, however it's far from failure. A three-peat could have been good imho but we got to see b2b finals losses from him instead. Nevertheless, kong's did great tho despite the fact that the way his career was composed is not as organic as the teams you've mentioned above. And that four finals mvps is only second to mj. But yea, he still needed a lot of time and key teammates just to achieve the kind of success he has rn which also gave him the ability to pad his stats more as well.

[Axe]

What an absolutely terrible post. :oldlol:
It's just sad tatum is not as gifted as LeKong with no finals berth under brad stevens as Cs coach.