Should Warriors: Push for title now or hold on to the future?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

We've seen the rumors - Siakam, Simmons, now Beal, now Myles Turner, etc. Word is GSW wants to trade some of their assets and/or Wiggins for a star or really good veteran player.

But I ask...should they? Yes, they want to win a title now, but as anyone knows in sports, mortgaging your future is a big risk. It's failed for numerous teams. And given how the GSW Big 3 are all 31+, how good Utah, Phoenix, Denver, etc will still be w/ their sub-30 stars, how good Brooklyn, Milwaukee, the Sixers, etc will still be if GSW ever gets to the Finals, etc, it looks to me like the Warriors window is already closed.

Sure they should still be a really good team w/o any trade, possibly even make deep playoff runs. But the Big 3 are old. And a trade would kill their depth. And also obviously strip them of a future.

I personally want and think they should just hold the fort as is. Wiseman can be a future AD, Poole looks to be a solid player for the future, Smiley still is just like 20 and has tons of potential, maybe they hit a homerun w/ #7 and #14, etc. They have a ton of great young pieces which means an easy transition to contention in 4-6 years when the Big 3 start becoming shells of themselves or even retiring.

In 4-6 years, GSW could either have prime Wiseman, Poole, Smiley, and some 2-combo of Davion/Bouknight/Wagner/Kispert/JJohnson/KJohnson, all of whom were lead by HoF champions on the court, and maybe still Wiggins. Or...they can have an old Siakam or old Beal and no depth. Is the latter worth the risk in order to increase your chances of a title now by 10-20%?

[hold this L]

The question is, what do they give up and what do they get in return? Beal, Dame, Simmons play the positions that the top players from the Warriors play. So none of those trades should happen. Miles Turner on the other hand.

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Assuming Wiseman, picks and scrubs would need to make it happen?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

The question is, what do they give up and what do they get in return? Beal, Dame, Simmons play the positions that the top players from the Warriors play. So none of those trades should happen. Miles Turner on the other hand.

All the rumors I've read are Wisemen + 1 of their lotto picks + Wiggins. Even for Turner they need to make salary sense. But yeah, w/ Beal/Dame/Simmons, Klay moves to SF. Of those guards, I think Simmons fits the best w/ that team. Imagine Simmons running an offense w/ Klay and Steph off-ball. It is quite dreamy.

I think if they can get Turner for just Wigs + #14, then do that. Keep Wiseman and #7.

[tontoz]

They have to go for it now. No choice really with Steph and Klay under contract and the highest payroll in the league.

[Bronbron23]

We've seen the rumors - Siakam, Simmons, now Beal, now Myles Turner, etc. Word is GSW wants to trade some of their assets and/or Wiggins for a star or really good veteran player.

But I ask...should they? Yes, they want to win a title now, but as anyone knows in sports, mortgaging your future is a big risk. It's failed for numerous teams. And given how the GSW Big 3 are all 31+, how good Utah, Phoenix, Denver, etc will still be w/ their sub-30 stars, how good Brooklyn, Milwaukee, the Sixers, etc will still be if GSW ever gets to the Finals, etc, it looks to me like the Warriors window is already closed.

Sure they should still be a really good team w/o any trade, possibly even make deep playoff runs. But the Big 3 are old. And a trade would kill their depth. And also obviously strip them of a future.

I personally want and think they should just hold the fort as is. Wiseman can be a future AD, Poole looks to be a solid player for the future, Smiley still is just like 20 and has tons of potential, maybe they hit a homerun w/ #7 and #14, etc. They have a ton of great young pieces which means an easy transition to contention in 4-6 years when the Big 3 start becoming shells of themselves or even retiring.

In 4-6 years, GSW could either have prime Wiseman, Poole, Smiley, and some 2-combo of Davion/Bouknight/Wagner/Kispert/JJohnson/KJohnson, all of whom were lead by HoF champions on the court, and maybe still Wiggins. Or...they can have an old Siakam or old Beal and no depth. Is the latter worth the risk in order to increase your chances of a title now by 10-20%?

Definitely go for it now. If klay is healthy they'll still have a great core that could make some noise. They have the 2 of the best shooters ever in era made for perimeter shooting. They should bleed that shit till there's nothing left because they may never have as good of a chance again.

[HylianNightmare]

They have to go for it now. No choice really with Steph and Klay under contract and the highest payroll in the league.

Boom

[Jasper]

I put unsure cause they need to trade something to get something..
they might have a chip left in their tanks ,,, but it would not be easy.

They need a legit shooter at the wing that can play D.

[Bronbron23]

I put unsure cause they need to trade something to get something..
they might have a chip left in their tanks ,,, but it would not be easy.

They need a legit shooter at the wing that can play D.

They already have klay or do u mean they need another one?

[Shogon]

They obviously have to go for it based off of statistics and probability.

It could be another 50+ years if ever before they get another player as special as Curry, and that's not even counting the fact that they also have another all timer in Klay next to him.

In fact, it's unlikely that the Warriors franchise will have another trio that plays as well together as Steph, Klay & Dray in our lifetimes. You could argue they're second all time in terms of meshing well together as far as trios go so by that standard we might not see a trio like that again in our lifetimes on ANY team.

[Manny98]

You have Curry,Klay and Dray all in their 30s

F*ck the future, Warriors should be in win now mode not wasting Curry's last prime years away

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Now.

Steph and Klay can put the fear of God into any team 8f healthy. For the Warriors sake they should hope for them to take less next contract due to age, but you definitely want them to be lifers. They may be willing to take a bit less than their value as well just to win. If it doesn't work out, they were fan favorites to keep the fans happy. And they shouldn't have much issue getting free agents in the future with their new arena. Either way, it's a better bet competing with two if the heat shooters of all time over whatever you might get in the draft, crap a lot of the times.

[hold this L]

All the rumors I've read are Wisemen + 1 of their lotto picks + Wiggins. Even for Turner they need to make salary sense. But yeah, w/ Beal/Dame/Simmons, Klay moves to SF. Of those guards, I think Simmons fits the best w/ that team. Imagine Simmons running an offense w/ Klay and Steph off-ball. It is quite dreamy.

I think if they can get Turner for just Wigs + #14, then do that. Keep Wiseman and #7.
Those options don't make the Warriors better. Klay is not a SF, and getting someone like Beal or Dame means that Warriors who are already one of the worst rebounding teams in the league will end up 100% as the worst rebounding team in the league. Both are pathetic defenders. We have seen the Suns get used and abused by size. Small ball works in spurts, not when you use it as your A, B, C, and D option. Simmons fits if Draymond leaves, Warriors can't afford another dude whose a ****ing bum when it comes to shooting and scoring. No chance in hell Warriors are trading Turner for Wigs, that makes them worse. Wiggins has low key been one of the best perimeter defenders in the league last year, is incredible durable and has the right attitude to be the #3 scoring option on the team. Now if it's Turner + picks and some of the frauds the Warriors have, sure.


To me the Warriors can win the championship if they have the same team presuming
- They sign good vets to help with depth. This was a massive issue last season
- Klay comes back to full strength


Warriors were top 5 in defense last year, if Klay is back to normal you're looking at a top 3 defensive team in the league, RS and PS. Klay fixes some spacing issues, shooting issues and they won't be able to double/tripple the Chef as much. Warriors need 2-3 vets that go well with Wiseman, Poole, from the bench. At least 2 really good useable, fit options. Olynyk/Love, a guy that can play 4 or the 5 could be big. Warriors were all time horrible when Curry sat, they need more guys that can help them at least offensively. Klay will fix some issues a few months into the season when he's truly back when the Chef sits, but they need more.

[hold this L]

To me the organization made some mistakes last season. One, they didn't know or expect Chef to come back at an MVP level. Their attitude in the first 1/3 of the season was a 'you know.. lets just see how it goes'. On top of that, Oubre turned out to be a bad signing. He killed small ball and hurt the team significantly in several areas of the court, especially offensively (he's an idiot, zero BBIQ). On top of that, they gave Wiseman the starter position like they're a bottom feeder team and Warriors were trying to cater to him instead of him catering to the system, which again killed them. It was essentially when Curry came after after hurting his ass that they went only for wins.

They should have went with that mentality right from the jump! Steph is likely really pissed off management for having that type of loser mentality in the beginning of the season, which is why we hear the main 3 are talking to management about who they're drafting and what they're doing transfers wise. Clearly they weren't happy their lazy ****ing attitude last summer. They're starting off the right attitude this summer, but for me I still think two or three great high IQ vets is what they need. A Livingston, Iggy, D West type of guys.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

As a kawhi fan, if they get kawhi then I would be ok with it. They are 1 of the 3 teams I would want him at (clippers, mavs, warriors).

If they don't get kawhi, hopefully keep playing Wiseman and oubre or other 19 year old projects a lot of minutes hahhahaha

[tontoz]

Oubre is a free agent and there is no chance they resign him.
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[hold this L]

As a kawhi fan, if they get kawhi then I would be ok with it. They are 1 of the 3 teams I would want him at (clippers, mavs, warriors).

If they don't get kawhi, hopefully keep playing Wiseman and oubre or other 19 year old projects a lot of minutes hahhahaha
Warriors are in win mode this upcoming season. If someone shoots 16% from 3 for 40-50 days straight, they're not getting more than 15 minutes a game.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Warriors are in win mode this upcoming season. If someone shoots 16% from 3 for 40-50 days straight, they're not getting more than 15 minutes a game.

Kelly is a free agent, so that's good as you can just let him walk. I didn't know that.

Anyways, you want to win or not? Trade your lottery picks, Wiseman and anybody on the damn roster for kawhi. Then you can live out the 2017-2018 years again with kawhi instead of Durant.

[hold this L]

Kelly is a free agent, so that's good as you can just let him walk. I didn't know that.

Anyways, you want to win or not? Trade your lottery picks, Wiseman and anybody on the damn roster for kawhi. Then you can live out the 2017-2018 years again with kawhi instead of Durant.
Is Kawhi even coming back next season? Does Kawhi want to leave LA?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Is Kawhi even coming back next season? Does Kawhi want to leave LA?

He has a partial torn acl, so that should be a 6-7 month recovery and he can return by All star break around February. Curry/klay/Dray can hold it down until then.

Marc stein reported it's not a lock that kawhi is staying. So I was exploring his options. Might be a long shot though, doesn't seem like kawhi is friends with anybody on warriors.

Curry/kawhi/klay/dray would be favored over the nets, bucks or Lakers. So I thought it would be interesting.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

He has a partial torn acl, so that should be a 6-7 month recovery and he can return by All star break around February. Curry/klay/Dray can hold it down until then.

Marc stein reported it's not a lock that kawhi is staying. So I was exploring his options. Might be a long shot though, doesn't seem like kawhi is friends with anybody on warriors.

Curry/kawhi/klay/dray would be favored over the nets, bucks or Lakers. So I thought it would be interesting.



This would actually make Kawhi as pathetic as Lebron. He made the Clippers trade everything to get the player he wanted. So if he can't win and instead leaves, he is s garbage person and as big of b*tch as Lebron. At least Lebron won titles for Heat and Cavs after they traded for the players he wanted. Kawhi might get stabbed to death in LA if he screws the Clippers like that. Doubt the robot will even feel it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NUMdxHbKI

[HBK_Kliq_2]

This would actually make Kawhi as pathetic as Lebron. He made the Clippers trade everything to get the player he wanted. So if he can't win and instead leaves, he is s garbage person and as big of b*tch as Lebron. At least Lebron won titles for Heat and Cavs after they traded for the players he wanted. Kawhi might get stabbed to death in LA if he screws the Clippers like that. Doubt the robot will even feel it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NUMdxHbKI

He can come back to clippers when he's around 35 years old and still playing at star level and play with clippers lottery pick who would be peaking.

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[Axe]

They should hodl. ;)

[Axe]

Oubre is a free agent and there is no chance they resign him.
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But i thought kelly oubre > klay thompson last season? :ohwell:

[hold this L]

This would actually make Kawhi as pathetic as Lebron. He made the Clippers trade everything to get the player he wanted. So if he can't win and instead leaves, he is s garbage person and as big of b*tch as Lebron. At least Lebron won titles for Heat and Cavs after they traded for the players he wanted. Kawhi might get stabbed to death in LA if he screws the Clippers like that. Doubt the robot will even feel it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NUMdxHbKI

It would make him much worse than Lebron, he's never done anything this bad.

[Axe]

He has a partial torn acl, so that should be a 6-7 month recovery and he can return by All star break around February. Curry/klay/Dray can hold it down until then.

Marc stein reported it's not a lock that kawhi is staying. So I was exploring his options. Might be a long shot though, doesn't seem like kawhi is friends with anybody on warriors.

Curry/kawhi/klay/dray would be favored over the nets, bucks or Lakers. So I thought it would be interesting.
It's funny how your hero won a ring with a team filled with scrubs which you also deemed as garbage but couldn't with a much better team now.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's funny how your hero won a ring with a team filled with scrubs which you also deemed as garbage but couldn't with a much better team now.

Butler and giannis both led their team to the finals the last two years. Guess who eliminated them in 2019?

Also, clippers are a scrub bum team outside of George and even George is inconsistent

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It would make him much worse than Lebron, he's never done anything this bad.

Kawhi has already won 2 finals mvps though. LeBron joined Miami when he didn't win anything.

Warriors have no shame anyway, they already ruined the league for 2 years and would of been 3 if kawhi didn't save the league.

You're never going to get past LeBron and giannis, you'll be their bitch the rest of curry's career. That is unless you find a way to get kawhi

[red1]

they're going to get klay back and be right in the mix



there was a trade that actually made sense it was siakam for wiseman and a pick - that would make them an instant west favorite IMO

[HBK_Kliq_2]

they're going to get klay back and be right in the mix



there was a trade that actually made sense it was siakam for wiseman and a pick - that would make them an instant west favorite IMO

better players like kawhi, giannis, lebron will continue to dick them down unless they get extremely lucky like 2015.

they better pray that someone like kawhi comes along.

[Axe]

Butler and giannis both led their team to the finals the last two years. Guess who eliminated them in 2019?

Also, clippers are a scrub bum team outside of George and even George is inconsistent
Reasons and moar help as usual. Pitiful.

[tontoz]

That scrub bum team beat Utah twice and the Suns twice without Kawhi.

[red1]

better players like kawhi, giannis, lebron will continue to dick them down unless they get extremely lucky like 2015.

they better pray that someone like kawhi comes along.

I think klay will come back and they will be right back to shooting the lights out with curry and klay


curry alone nearly carried them into the playoffs so getting an 80% klay back will be HUGE for them.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That scrub bum team beat Utah twice and the Suns twice without Kawhi.

No conley in 1 game, mann had a miracle performance in the other game.

Suns spotted them no chris paul for 2 games, terrible quarantine chris paul for 2 games and they still lost the series. Couldn't even beat cameron payne starting at point guard in games 1 and 2.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I think klay will come back and they will be right back to shooting the lights out with curry and klay


curry alone nearly carried them into the playoffs so getting an 80% klay back will be HUGE for them.

Yeah but they wont get to the finals as long as Kawhi\Lebron are around. Also guys like Giannis and Durant would beat them as well.

Curry is a beta in the playoffs, he wont lead them unless he has someone like Kawhi or Durant or Giannis next to him or even Iguodala in 2015.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Clippers lost by 40 points on their own homecourt in the final game of their playoffs, that was the team they really were without kawhi.

Just took chris paul a few games to get out of his quarantine rust.

BUM team that kawhi had to carry past luka.

[Axe]

And you complain that the raptors were such a trash team back then. Such a lousy dickhead. :facepalm

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And you complain that the raptors were such a trash team back then. Such a lousy dickhead. :facepalm

Record: 27-45, 12th in NBA Eastern Conference

Failed to make play in tournament despite being in the weak east conference. Even bums like sabonis was leading his team past them hahahahaa

I have higher IQ then most people on here. But you? my iq runs circles around a moron like you. Don't quote me unless you want to get embarrassed like always.

[red1]

nah kawhi was great incredible in fact



50-win pace without him and invented load-management FOR him.




he's a fragile dude.

[red1]

I'll take the warriors over the clippers next year.

[Axe]

Record: 27-45, 12th in NBA Eastern Conference

Failed to make play in tournament despite being in the weak east conference. Even bums like sabonis was leading his team past them hahahahaa

I have higher IQ then most people on here. But you? my iq runs circles around a moron like you. Don't quote me unless you want to get embarrassed like always.
You idiot. I said 'back then'. Again, 'back then' ffs. When the team still had gasol and ibaka with them.

And no, you aren't a man of your words at all. You're an airheaded retard who broke your promise of stfu in this board after your hero lost against 7'1 mr. windhorst last year. So why tf do you think i should believe your bs anyway?

[hold this L]

Yeah but they wont get to the finals as long as Kawhi\Lebron are around. Also guys like Giannis and Durant would beat them as well.

Curry is a beta in the playoffs, he wont lead them unless he has someone like Kawhi or Durant or Giannis next to him or even Iguodala in 2015.
Kawhi's team made the western conference finals without him and you're talking shit about someone else having an OP team? Has spent his entire career with 50+ teams without him when he doesn't play? Stop talking. Also when you're done taking Kawhi'd d*ck out of your mouth and ass, proceed to leave this topic. This topic is about the Warriors, not another circle jerk Kawhi topic that you turn everything into you lunatic.

[hold this L]

they're going to get klay back and be right in the mix



there was a trade that actually made sense it was siakam for wiseman and a pick - that would make them an instant west favorite IMO

Don't think there's enough assets for Siakam joining unless Wigs leaves though. The wage bill if this deal could be made with Wig staying would also be completely out of control, even someone like Lacob would fold at that rate.

And I'm not trading Wig for Siakam. Siakam is better, but Wig actually fits pretty well already for the Warriors.

[red1]

Don't think there's enough assets for Siakam joining unless Wigs leaves though. The wage bill if this deal could be made with Wig staying would also be completely out of control, even someone like Lacob would fold at that rate.

And I'm not trading Wig for Siakam. Siakam is better, but Wig actually fits pretty well already for the Warriors.

I think all you guys need is klay back tbh


would have easily been a top-4 seed probably 3rd or so with just a healthy klay



I saw a trade for siakam for wiseman and that would make you guys instant favorites because curry and even a rusty klay with siakam as the third offensive option is the best team in the west IMO.

[hold this L]

I think all you guys need is klay back tbh


would have easily been a top-4 seed probably 3rd or so with just a healthy klay



I saw a trade for siakam for wiseman and that would make you guys instant favorites because curry and even a rusty klay with siakam as the third offensive option is the best team in the west IMO.
Yeah but the tax for the Warriors is already crazy, you basically have 4 max guys and 1 just below that, plus tax. Don't see Lacob doing it due to the money.


Big issue was Steph getting injured last season, team went 2-7 without him. They'd finish 6th if he was fit all season. If Klay comes back, is ready by the first 2 months of the season and is very close to 100% on off and def, Warriors are contenders right behind Lakers, Clippers, Bucks and Nets. However they still lack depth. If they got 2-3 great vets joining, I could see that moving the needle of every team not named Nets.

[Hey Yo]

If Curry wants to win another ring, he needs to get out of GS.

[hold this L]

If Curry wants to win another ring, he needs to get out of GS.
Stop it.

[Ca$H]

We've seen the rumors - Siakam, Simmons, now Beal, now Myles Turner, etc. Word is GSW wants to trade some of their assets and/or Wiggins for a star or really good veteran player.

But I ask...should they? Yes, they want to win a title now, but as anyone knows in sports, mortgaging your future is a big risk. It's failed for numerous teams. And given how the GSW Big 3 are all 31+, how good Utah, Phoenix, Denver, etc will still be w/ their sub-30 stars, how good Brooklyn, Milwaukee, the Sixers, etc will still be if GSW ever gets to the Finals, etc, it looks to me like the Warriors window is already closed.

Sure they should still be a really good team w/o any trade, possibly even make deep playoff runs. But the Big 3 are old. And a trade would kill their depth. And also obviously strip them of a future.

I personally want and think they should just hold the fort as is. Wiseman can be a future AD, Poole looks to be a solid player for the future, Smiley still is just like 20 and has tons of potential, maybe they hit a homerun w/ #7 and #14, etc. They have a ton of great young pieces which means an easy transition to contention in 4-6 years when the Big 3 start becoming shells of themselves or even retiring.

In 4-6 years, GSW could either have prime Wiseman, Poole, Smiley, and some 2-combo of Davion/Bouknight/Wagner/Kispert/JJohnson/KJohnson, all of whom were lead by HoF champions on the court, and maybe still Wiggins. Or...they can have an old Siakam or old Beal and no depth. Is the latter worth the risk in order to increase your chances of a title now by 10-20%?

Kuminga and Wiseman can be the best 2 players on championship team if they reach their ceilings. Plus they can't beat a healthy Nets team even with someone like Beal.

[hold this L]

Kuminga and Wiseman can be the best 2 players on championship team if they reach their ceilings. Plus they can't beat a healthy Nets team even with someone like Beal.
Let me know when was the last time in NBA history that a team won with two undersized guards starting. I'll wait.

[Bronbron23]

Stop it.

It's not that crazy. They won't win with the team they have now although i think they can make a deep run. They'll either need to add another star like they did kd or he'll have to join another playoff contender.

[Axe]

It's not that crazy. They won't win with the team they have now although i think they can make a deep run. They'll either need to add another star like they did kd or he'll have to join another playoff contender.
Apparently 2nd overall pick james wiseman, rising man wiggins, late bloomers kelly oubre and kent bazemore weren't enough to carry stephen curry to a single win in the second losers bracket tournament.

[Bronbron23]

Apparently 2nd overall pick james wiseman, rising man wiggins, late bloomers kelly oubre and kent bazemore weren't enough to carry stephen curry to a single win in the second losers bracket tournament.

Not defending steph but the warriors weren't amazing. Oubre wasn't very good, wiggins was good but he's not a winner and Wiseman was a rookie and he was hurt. They'll be fine as long as klay is healthy. It won't be enough to win it all but they can make some noise.

[Honor Boost]

Push for a title now Curry is a top 20 all time great in his absolute peak prime after winning another scoring title and Klay Thompson is coming back from an injury. The time is now old man.

[Ice Trae]

They should give up their draft picks + wiggins to go into win now mode. They shouldn't give up Wiseman unless they get someone really good.

[Axe]

Not defending steph but the warriors weren't amazing. Oubre wasn't very good, wiggins was good but he's not a winner and Wiseman was a rookie and he was hurt. They'll be fine as long as klay is healthy. It won't be enough to win it all but they can make some noise.
Yeah, thus the saying 'no klay, no play' still remains after all.

[ScottieQuitting]

They obviously have to go for it based off of statistics and probability.

It could be another 50+ years if ever before they get another player as special as Curry, and that's not even counting the fact that they also have another all timer in Klay next to him.

In fact, it's unlikely that the Warriors franchise will have another trio that plays as well together as Steph, Klay & Dray in our lifetimes. You could argue they're second all time in terms of meshing well together as far as trios go so by that standard we might not see a trio like that again in our lifetimes on ANY team.

Who is the first and third?

[gonzaldo]

Could they get Butler? They can throw a lot of asssets to Miami.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Looks like we'll possibly see tonight. I think Beal is for sure being traded somewhere. Sixers arguably make the most sense, Beal for Simmons and whatever else to make it work. And Dame likely staying in Portland.

My guess is if GSW trades anything, it'll only be SOME of their assets, maybe Wiggs and just 1 lotto pick for someone like Miles Turner or Sexton (yes, a PG). But then, hopefully Myers realizes that type of trade would be pointless and just not do it.

If Warriors are in win-now mode and DON'T get their targets of Beal/Simmons/Dame, they can just draft some NBA-ready upperclassmen. The Baylor guards, Kispert, Trey Murphy. Even Kuminga, even tho he's 18. The college kids are all ready to contribute now, even if their upside may not be great. Kuminga has the body to contribute right away at least on defense and fast breaks. Any combo of those 5 players and I'd be greatly happy. MAYBE Wagner? He seems like a great supplemental all-around piece, kinda like Harrison Barnes was on the pre-KD title team.