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HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 09:49 PM

Does that mean LeBron should have 5 MVP's since he finished runner up that year?

no because 8 guys left kobe off their ballot so there was an obvious bias towards kobe going on in the media at the time... possibly still some fallout from the shaq feud. but lets be honest. nobody wanted to give a rapist any accolades

kobe got his 1 token mvp just so they could avoid being looked at as haters cause they knew kobe was about to run off 2 or 3 titles and they were like "man. we gotta give him one. if he wins 5 or 6 titles its gonna make us look like a bunch of clowns"

truthfully kobe should have won in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013 .... those were his most spectacular seasons where you could make an argument that he was either the best player in the nba or most important player to his teams success either due to injuries or a lack of talent around him.. or he was elevating a team mostly made up of scrubs with just one other good player beside him to title contention

regardless its silly to say he didn't deserve more than 1 award. lebron probably got robbed a few times too. but theres no way he was better in 2009 and theres no way he was more important to miami making the playoffs in 2013

Proctor

07-24-2021, 10:10 PM

Op watches cuck porn

:lol:roll::roll:

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 10:18 PM

LeBron should have like 13 MVPs.

the true MVP's since 1988... I.E best players in the world ...

1988 - Jordan
1989 - Jordan
1990 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1993 - Jordan
1994 - Hakeem
1995 - Jordan ( but rusty so Hakeem )
1996 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1998 - Jordan
1999 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe ( but injured so Shaq )
2005 - Kobe ( but injured so Shaq )
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe ( but knee injury most of the year so lebron )
2011 - Wade
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - Durant
2015 - Lebron
2016 - Lebron
2017 - Durant
2018 - Durant
2019 - Durant ( but injured so by default Kawhi )
2020 - Durant ( but injured so by default AD )
2021 - Durant

nobody but these guys should have won MVP's.. its silly that the media has to create some story and hand it to new guys all the time

HBK_Kliq_2

07-24-2021, 11:13 PM

Kawhi has been screwed out of 4 different mvps in my opinion

2016, 2017, 2020, 2021 should of won all those and got screwed over by the media.

1987_Lakers

07-24-2021, 11:23 PM

the true MVP's since 1988... I.E best players in the world ...

1988 - Jordan
1989 - Jordan
1990 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1993 - Jordan
1994 - Hakeem
1995 - Jordan ( but rusty so Hakeem )
1996 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1998 - Jordan
1999 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe ( but injured so Shaq )
2005 - Kobe ( but injured so Shaq )
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe ( but knee injury most of the year so lebron )
2011 - Wade
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - Durant
2015 - Lebron
2016 - Lebron
2017 - Durant
2018 - Durant
2019 - Durant ( but injured so by default Kawhi )
2020 - Durant ( but injured so by default AD )
2021 - Durant

nobody but these guys should have won MVP's.. its silly that the media has to create some story and hand it to new guys all the time

No, this is the real and only accurate list...

1988 - Jordan
1989 - Jordan
1990 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1993 - Jordan
1994 - Hakeem
1995 - Hakeem
1996 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1998 - Jordan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - LeBron
2010 - LeBron
2011 - LeBron
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - LeBron
2015 - Lebron
2016 - Lebron
2017 - LeBron
2018 - LeBron
2019 - Kawhi
2020 - LeBron
2021 - Durant

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 11:27 PM

No, this is the real and only accurate list...

1988 - Jordan
1989 - Jordan
1990 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1993 - Jordan
1994 - Hakeem
1995 - Hakeem
1996 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1998 - Jordan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - LeBron
2010 - LeBron
2011 - LeBron
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - LeBron
2015 - Lebron
2016 - Lebron
2017 - LeBron
2018 - LeBron
2019 - Kawhi
2020 - LeBron
2021 - Durant

na my list is better because kobe is listed more

1987_Lakers

07-24-2021, 11:28 PM

Seasons since 1988 as the best player

1. LeBron - 11 times
2. MJ - 9 times
3. Duncan - 4 times
4. Shaq - 3 times
5. Hakeem/Kobe - 2 times

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 11:30 PM

Seasons since 1988 as the best player

1. LeBron - 11 times
2. MJ - 9 times
3. Duncan - 4 times
4. Shaq - 3 times
5. Hakeem/Kobe - 2 times

so you actually think 2007 Duncan was better than kobe lol.. I think kobe had more 50 point games that year than Duncan's had 40 point games in 19 years

1987_Lakers

07-24-2021, 11:35 PM

so you actually think 2007 Duncan was better than kobe lol.. I think kobe had more 50 point games that year than Duncan's had 40 point games in 19 years

It's close, I wouldn't mind people picking Kobe as #1 in 2007, but Duncan to me had a defensive impact Kobe could only dream of. Duncan also played on a Spurs team that played at an extremely slow paced which limited his offensive stats.

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 11:38 PM

It's close, I wouldn't mind people picking Kobe as #1 in 2007, but Duncan to me had a defensive impact Kobe could only dream of. Duncan also played on a Spurs team that played at an extremely slow paced which limited his offensive stats.

I just want you to think about this for a moment and realize just how much you deserve a knife in your d*ck hole

you make fun of kobe for losing out on finals mvps to peak shaq at age 21, 22 and 23

yet you say Tim Duncan was the best player in the nba after losing out on finals mvp at age 30 to Tony Parker

1987_Lakers

07-24-2021, 11:46 PM

I just want you to think about this for a moment and realize just how much you deserve a knife in your d*ck hole

you make fun of kobe for losing out on finals mvps to peak shaq at age 21, 22 and 23

yet you say Tim Duncan was the best player in the nba after losing out on finals mvp at age 30 to Tony Parker

Only difference was Duncan was still the undisputed best player on that team, and made All-NBA First team while none of his teammates did.

We all know Shaq was simply better than Kobe from 2000-2002.

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 11:47 PM

Only difference was Duncan was still the undisputed best player on that team, and made All-NBA First team while none of his teammates did.

We all know Shaq was simply better than Kobe from 2000-2002.

who said Duncan was the best player on that team. because the writers didn't. and if Tony Parker did then guess who said kobe was the best player on the planet and the Lakers after kobe wrecked the entire west in 2001

and quite honestly since the 2005 finals a lot of people were leaning towards Manu as that team's driving force

you remember him. he's the guy that eliminated lebron in 2006

1987_Lakers

07-24-2021, 11:52 PM

who said Duncan was the best player on that team. because the writers didn't. and if Tony Parker did then guess who said kobe was the best player on the planet and the Lakers after kobe wrecked the entire west in 2001

Sorry, no serious person thinks Parker was better than Duncan in 2007, you are living in a fairy tale.

Most media and fans still considered Shaq to be better than Kobe in 2001, hell during the season we went 11-3 without Kobe that year. Shaq was always our best and most important player.

HBK_Kliq_2

07-24-2021, 11:52 PM

who said Duncan was the best player on that team. because the writers didn't. and if Tony Parker did then guess who said kobe was the best player on the planet and the Lakers after kobe wrecked the entire west in 2001

and quite honestly since the 2005 finals a lot of people were leaning towards Manu as that team's driving force

you remember him. he's the guy that eliminated lebron in 2006

I wouldn't worry about that. Duncan was never the best as anything, he had one good year in 2003 because he played raef lafrenz in the west finals.

All it took was 12PPG from pau gasol for kobe to eliminate bum swimmer Duncan in 2008.

Also put up better numbers and eliminated him in 2001, 2002, 2004 as well.

HunterSThompson

07-24-2021, 11:57 PM

Sorry, no serious person thinks Parker was better than Duncan in 2007, you are living in a fairy tale.

Most media and fans still considered Shaq to be better than Kobe in 2001, hell during the season we went 11-3 without Kobe that year. Shaq was always our best and most important player.

I think a serious person could make the argument that Manu was and pop held him down because of his ego

Duncan still has the worst finals mvp performance in history in 2005 according to analytics (not that I care about that stuff but it's your guys formula so take it for what it's worth. Duncan simply wasn't the same guy after that and he was far more dependent on manu/Parker carrying him in the finals because Duncan was never a big go to guy. he was great defensively but on the level of a kobe bryant? not since 2002/03 or so

basketballcat

07-24-2021, 11:59 PM

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:00 AM

I think a serious person could make the argument that Manu was and pop held him down because of his ego

Duncan still has the worst nba finals performance in history in 2005 according to analytics (not that I care about that stuff but it's your guys formula so take it for what it's worth. Duncan simply wasn't the same guy after that and he was far more dependent on manu/Parker carrying him in the finals because Duncan was never a big go to guy. he was great defensively but on the level of a kobe bryant? not since 2002/03 or so

2005 Duncan was the best player by default. It was a shitty year by Kobe, past prime Shaq, KG missed the playoffs, & Dirk was pure ass in the playoffs.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:09 AM

2005 Duncan was the best player by default. It was a shitty year by Kobe, past prime Shaq, KG missed the playoffs, & Dirk was pure ass in the playoffs.

this right here ladies and gentleman.. this... right... here

a Shaq fan

thinks 2005 Duncan was better than Shaq

my f*cking god

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:10 AM

Actually, Dirk might have deserved it over James. Both Dirk & James has superior seasons to Nash, as per advanced stats. Dirk & James are about even in advanced stats. Both had no all-nba or all-star teammates. Dallas had the higher record, though. Does anyone recall why Nash got the MVP?

Because the Suns were still winning games despite Amare being out the whole season, but nobody ever considered Nash the best player in the league.

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:13 AM

this right here ladies and gentleman.. this... right... here

a Shaq fan

thinks 2005 Duncan was better than Shaq

my f*cking god

Well, yea. By 2005 Shaq was still an elite player, but past his offensive prime, he was still better than Duncan on offense that year, but Duncan had a clear edge defensively. Shaq took a considerable dip offensively after 2003.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:22 AM

Well, yea. By 2005 Shaq was still an elite player, but past his offensive prime, he was still better than Duncan on offense that year, but Duncan had a clear edge defensively. Shaq took a considerable dip offensively after 2003.

I am giving serious thought to the idea that you were never a laker fan and you started watching when lebron got hyped and you lived in LA and didn't wanna call yourself a cavs fan. I asked you to post a picture of anything involving Shaq and you couldn't. not even a f*cking championship DVD. you have no claim to the kobe/Shaq era. you were 15 when you started watching basketball religiously. you were never a fan of kobe because you started when he wasn't making the finals and lebron was getting hyped. then lebron made in 2007

and that was it. that's your first experience with the nba as a hardcore fan. this explains everything. it explains your stupidity and lebron worship and your anti laker rhetoric this entire time.

you tried saying "oh I started watching at age 10 and just didn't care for kobe

sure... youre officially the fakest mother f*cker on here. Shaq would smack your racoon face for this shit

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:25 AM

I am giving serious thought to the idea that you were never a laker fan and you started watching when lebron got hyped and you lived in LA and didn't wanna call yourself a cavs fan. I asked you to post a picture of anything involving Shaq and you couldn't. not even a f*cking championship DVD. you have no claim to the kobe/Shaq era. you were 15 when you started watching basketball religiously. you were never a fan of kobe because you started when he wasn't making the finals and lebron was getting hyped. then lebron made in 2007

and that was it. that's your first experience with the nba as a hardcore fan. this explains everything. it explains your stupidity and lebron worship and your anti laker rhetoric this entire time.

you tried saying "oh I started watching at age 10 and just didn't care for kobe

sure... youre officially the fakest mother f*cker on here. Shaq would smack your racoon face for this shit

Jesus, what a meltdown. Sorry I'm not a dumbass like yourself who just stans a player no matter what, denying all logic.

:roll:

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HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:32 AM

Jesus, what a meltdown. Sorry I'm not a dumbass like yourself who just stans a player no matter what, denying all logic.

:roll:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif

your racoon logic = tony Parker would win finals mvp over 2005 Shaq if they played together

sorry but kobe and Shaq only lose out on finals mvps to legendary teammates

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:36 AM

your racoon logic = tony Parker would win finals mvp over 2005 Shaq if they played together

sorry but kobe and Shaq only lose out on finals mvps to legendary teammates

Young Wade outplayed Shaq in the '05 ECF, Shaq only averaged 20/8/2 in that series and you are throwing a fit cause I think Duncan was better than him that year? :oldlol:

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:41 AM

Young Wade outplayed Shaq in the '05 ECF, Shaq only averaged 20/8/2 in that series and you are throwing a fit cause I think Duncan was better than him that year? :oldlol:

wade is a top 20 player all time

tony Parker is what? top 50 at best

and you're f*cking doing your hypocrite c*ck shit again.

you say wade is better than Shaq in 2005 because he outplayed him at age 23 in a conference finals and it means shaq was washed up

yet you sh*t on kobe for outperforming shaq at age 22 in a conference finals

I swear if you go the rest of your life without getting a knife in the a** like Gaddafi you're one lucky mother f*cker

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 12:52 AM

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:58 AM

2005 Wade is not a top 20 player all time. :oldlol:

Shaq was a better player than Wade that year, but you can't deny his offensive game took a hit by the time he went to Miami, I don't know why that is so hard for you to understand, you are out here acting like 2000 Shaq was on those Miami teams. Shaq in the 2001 WCF was still dropping 27 a game with 13 boards, now compare that to 20 points and 8 rebounds. lol.

jesus h christ. nobody is where they're ranked all time based on one year.

but in terms of talent 2005 wade wasnt far off from 2006 wade and that kind of 2 way player has only been seen a handful of times.

if you can pick a 2 way wing and only one version of themselves and 2005 was the only version of wade available. after 2006 kobe, 92 jordan, 03 tmac...how many other guys are you seriously taking to pair with shaq as that type of 2 way slasher/scorer which compliments shaq perfectly

not too many other guys compare.

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 01:06 AM

jesus h christ. nobody is where they're ranked all time based on one year.

You missed the point, 2005 Wade was not top 20 all-time good in terms of talent, he was very good, but he didn't get to that level until 2009, and this is not about Wade, it's about how you think Shaq was still in his 2000 peak form playing with Miami. :oldlol:

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 01:23 AM

You missed the point, 2005 Wade was not top 20 all-time good in terms of talent, he was very good, but he didn't get to that level until 2009, and this is not about Wade, it's about how you think Shaq was still in his 2000 peak form playing with Miami. :oldlol:

like I said if you only have 1 selection of any version of another guy throughout history and 05 wade was in the mix. it would be pretty hard to list 20 guys more talented a 2 way player than 2005 wade

same for 2001 kobe

same for 86 jordan

theres just not that many guys on their level

so while it's not their best versions. even their pre prime versions are extremely hard to equal and the only reason other guys are in the top 20 ahead of wade is because of accomplishments. if we're just talking talent and ability Wade's top 10 all time

and that's his 2006 to 2009 versions

so his 2005 version talent wise is probably top 20 level

like who's the 20th best player ever? Isiah Thomas? John Stockton? or someone on that level..

I think you're underrated wade and overeating the history of all time greats

theres really only been 10 guys on that goat tier status level of play and wade is like half a notch below that

000

07-25-2021, 02:02 AM

Kenneth, how about you just stfu and live with kobes 2 titles that he needed to evade a rape conviction for, thanks

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:52 AM

Kenneth, how about you just stfu and live with kobes 2 titles that he needed to evade a rape conviction for, thanks

i'l cut kobes rings down to 2 if you cut lebrons rings down to zero

voiding asterisk and non FMVP rings would only raise kobes all time ranking though since we would also have to cut 4 rings from kareem, 11 rings from russell, 1 ring from wilt and 2 more rings from duncans total ( which hes already missing 1 from the 99 lockout ) .. bird loses 1 too

and jordan would extend his goat status since he has zero asterisks or non fmvp rings

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 05:41 AM

na my list is better because kobe is listed more

Your list is inaccurate because Kobe was listed more. Theres no way Kobe was the best player in the league the entire 2000s decade but I'll address the years you think he should have won MVP.

2003, eh maybe but Duncan beat him( and Shaq) in route to a chip with baby Manu and Tony, retiring Admiral and a cast of vets. 2003 overall should be Duncan even though Kobe was genuinely spectacular and for me, his first true 'MJ-like' season. Shaq dropping 27/11 or whatever he did, even with Kobe being the best/most consistent Laker that year hes not going to get MVP with a teammate dropping that. It's just not going to happen.

Hell, 2004( due to the lingering rape trial situation) and 2005( injury, team didnt make playoffs) weren't great seasons for him and certainly other players were betters. Shaq was starting to come a bit off the mountain top so 2004 was either KG or Duncan. Yeah, Lakers got past the Spurs in the revenge matchup but Fisher hitting a .4 miracle doesnt mean Duncan was a worse player. 2005 is a little less obvious but it sure as hell weren't Kobe.

2006 and 2007, yep. Best individual player carrying a shit team. Shaq was too old, Lebron was too raw, Dirk was getting bounced in the first round by the 8th seed, Duncan had already peaked and KG was toiling in mediocrity and on the way out of Minny.

2008? CP3 was as deserving for MVP and many feel Kobe won the award as an apology for past snubs. But Kobe wasn't an undeserving MVP pick. Showed great leadership poise and recommitted to more consistent defense. Celts chucked him in the finals though.

2009 and 2010, Lebron was the best season player but I would argue that had they met( remember the puppet commercials) the Lakers would have beaten the Cavs. Superior frontline and Kobe had a mental edge on Lebron at that point. Wade was also individually as good or maybe even better, in 2009 especially, as a two-way force.

2013? Nah. Great comeback season for him but Lebron was comfortably the singularly dominant player at that point. Peak athleticism, near peak mental game, was hitting 40% on his 3s. Had a subpar start to the 2013 finals but brought it home in the end( yes, he likely loses if Ray misses the shot but that doesnt make Lebron any better or worse. Thats how basketball works).

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 05:56 AM

no because 8 guys left kobe off their ballot so there was an obvious bias towards kobe going on in the media at the time... possibly still some fallout from the shaq feud. but lets be honest. nobody wanted to give a rapist any accolades

kobe got his 1 token mvp just so they could avoid being looked at as haters cause they knew kobe was about to run off 2 or 3 titles and they were like "man. we gotta give him one. if he wins 5 or 6 titles its gonna make us look like a bunch of clowns"

truthfully kobe should have won in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013 .... those were his most spectacular seasons where you could make an argument that he was either the best player in the nba or most important player to his teams success either due to injuries or a lack of talent around him.. or he was elevating a team mostly made up of scrubs with just one other good player beside him to title contention

regardless its silly to say he didn't deserve more than 1 award. lebron probably got robbed a few times too. but theres no way he was better in 2009 and theres no way he was more important to miami making the playoffs in 2013

LeBron was absolutely better in 2009. Stop being a moron.

Manny98

07-25-2021, 06:23 AM

No because it should have went to Wade imo

000

07-25-2021, 06:30 AM

i'l cut kobes rings down to 2 if you cut lebrons rings down to zero

voiding asterisk and non FMVP rings would only raise kobes all time ranking though since we would also have to cut 4 rings from kareem, 11 rings from russell, 1 ring from wilt and 2 more rings from duncans total ( which hes already missing 1 from the 99 lockout ) .. bird loses 1 too

and jordan would extend his goat status since he has zero asterisks or non fmvp rings

Dummy, 2 rings is generous for kobe. He shouldve been locked up and had 0 rings

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 12:08 PM

LeBron was absolutely better in 2009. Stop being a moron.

so you think raw pre post up pre three point shot pre footwork pre clutch, pre learning how to win from wade basic as f*ck stat padding quitter learning the game as he goes fragile as f*ck losing to Dwight with home court in his favor lebron james is better than absolute prime kobe bryant who was at the top of his game and was in the middle of his 3 straight finals appearances that had every move. every shot. every trick in the book. every fundamental down and was dominating the nba winning the nba title and only had 1 less regular season victory.. that kobe that turned everyone in MSG into little 5 year old kobe fans. the guy that was punking lebron in allstar games etc... that kobe was worse than lebron because lebron won mvp

ok

lebron hasn't been the best player since 2013 and was only the best player 4 times and even though he won the the in 2016 sorry. curry was better. sh*t we're 2 years from lebron being a decade removed from.being the best player

how does that make you feel.. yikes..

oh yeah and it's official. Mike and kareem are ahead of your guy and I don't think lebron can every catch them.. hes also tied with wilt and russell I think. uh oh. and giannis doesn't even have to catch lebron in rings bro.. just 2 more mvps

oohhh snap

lol you're f*cking stupid

Bronbron23

07-25-2021, 12:52 PM

Does that mean LeBron should have 5 MVP's since he finished runner up that year?

Probably. Like mj bron could have almost double the amount of mvp's. Nba just likes mixing it up a bit

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 01:44 PM

so you think raw pre post up pre three point shot pre footwork pre clutch, pre learning how to win from wade basic as f*ck stat padding quitter learning the game as he goes fragile as f*ck losing to Dwight with home court in his favor lebron james is better than absolute prime kobe bryant who was at the top of his game and was in the middle of his 3 straight finals appearances that had every move. every shot. every trick in the book. every fundamental down and was dominating the nba winning the nba title and only had 1 less regular season victory.. that kobe that turned everyone in MSG into little 5 year old kobe fans. the guy that was punking lebron in allstar games etc... that kobe was worse than lebron because lebron won mvp

No, I think the LeBron James who was better on both ends of the floor and did a lot more for his team than Kobe on top of giving his team a better record despite having a significantly weaker supporting cast and coaching was better. And guess what? He absolutely was better, and nothing you've stated gives me a reason to think otherwise. You bring up Dwight Howard beating LeBron's team, and decide to not even mention that LeBron was more dominant against the Magic than Kobe was in the Finals. But of course your response will be "then why did Kobe beat Dwight and LeBron didn't" and it will be another case of you not understanding that basketball is a team sport and Kobe Bryant had a much better supporting cast than LeBron did and it's not debatable. 90% of the arguments you are making here can be boiled down to those two simple facts.

lebron hasn't been the best player since 2013 and was only the best player 4 times and even though he won the the in 2016 sorry. curry was better. sh*t we're 2 years from lebron being a decade removed from.being the best player

In what regard? Curry wasn't a better playmaker than LeBron. He wasn't a better defender than LeBron. He certainly was not a better leader than LeBron. The only thing you could really give Curry over LeBron was shooting. That's it. When factoring in everything else, LeBron was still by and large the better player and it wasn't arguable. Also, Durant never surpassed LeBron in 2014. It was still very clear that LeBron was the better player that year.

how does that make you feel.. yikes..

It makes me feel like I'm talking to a ****ing moron.

oh yeah and it's official. Mike and kareem are ahead of your guy and I don't think lebron can every catch them.. hes also tied with wilt and russell I think. uh oh. and giannis doesn't even have to catch lebron in rings bro.. just 2 more mvps

Okay? And? I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not but LeBron isn't "my guy". I don't think he's the greatest player of all time and he never will be. But some of the mental gymnastics people like you do to try to downplay his accomplishments are just absurd. You can hate a player while still acknowledging their greatness, it's not that hard. You seem to be convinced however that the only way to argue against LeBron being the greatest of all time is to make up obvious bullshit. Just state that Jordan was better on both ends of the floor. That's literally all you have to do. I don't know why that concept is so difficult for you to understand.

lol you're f*cking stupid

You're still here expecting people to believe the "LeBron called Silver to get Draymond suspended" narrative and you're calling me stupid.

Think about the shit you are saying right now.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 01:49 PM

No, I think the LeBron James who was better on both ends of the floor and did a lot more for his team than Kobe on top of giving his team a better record despite having a significantly weaker supporting cast and coaching was better. And guess what? He absolutely was better, and nothing you've stated gives me a reason to think otherwise. You bring up Dwight Howard beating LeBron's team, and decide to not even mention that LeBron was more dominant against the Magic than Kobe was in the Finals. But of course your response will be "then why did Kobe beat Dwight and LeBron didn't" and it will be another case of you not understanding that basketball is a team sport and Kobe Bryant had a much better supporting cast than LeBron did and it's not debatable. 90% of the arguments you are making here can be boiled down to those two simple facts.

In what regard? Curry wasn't a better playmaker than LeBron. He wasn't a better defender than LeBron. He certainly was not a better leader than LeBron. The only thing you could really give Curry over LeBron was shooting. That's it. When factoring in everything else, LeBron was still by and large the better player and it wasn't arguable. Also, Durant never surpassed LeBron in 2014. It was still very clear that LeBron was the better player that year.

It makes me feel like I'm talking to a ****ing moron.

Okay? And? I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not but LeBron isn't "my guy". I don't think he's the greatest player of all time and he never will be. But some of the mental gymnastics people like you do to try to downplay his accomplishments are just absurd. You can hate a player while still acknowledging their greatness, it's not that hard. You seem to be convinced however that the only way to argue against LeBron being the greatest of all time is to make up obvious bullshit. Just state that Jordan was better on both ends of the floor. That's literally all you have to do. I don't know why that concept is so difficult for you to understand.

You're still here expecting people to believe the "LeBron called Silver to get Draymond suspended" narrative and you're calling me stupid.

Think about the shit you are saying right now.

i dunno why you bothered to type all that. just post this video to save you the time and effort

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kav7tifmyTg

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 01:51 PM

Good post @ Saintzfury

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 01:52 PM

Good post @ Saintsfury

if he actually believed what he said he wouldn't be using that crap ass alt lmao.. hes too embarrassed to say that type of shit with his real account.. the guy doesn't even understand sarcasm

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 01:53 PM

if he actually believed what he said he wouldn't be using that crap ass alt lmao.. hes too embarrassed to say that type of shit with his real account

This is my real account, you stupid ****.

Nice attempt at saving face by claiming you were now kidding this entire time even though you were dead set on me being an alt earlier.

Hey, here's a better idea. Why don't you try refuting my original points? Are you trying to tell me you are in fact too big of a bitch to admit you are wrong here?

tpols

07-25-2021, 01:53 PM

I just want you to think about this for a moment and realize just how much you deserve a knife in your d*ck hole

you make fun of kobe for losing out on finals mvps to peak shaq at age 21, 22 and 23

yet you say Tim Duncan was the best player in the nba after losing out on finals mvp at age 30 to Tony Parker

Damn that's a slay. :oldlol:

Don't worry that guys Lakers card was revoked a long time ago.

MadDog

07-25-2021, 01:57 PM

Kobe was better than LeBron from 2006-2009. LeBron had better individual stats than Kobe in 2009, but Kobe also played better teamball. He simply wasn't required to average big numbers. Aside from chasedown blocks, 09 Kobe was also better defensively. I believe 12 LeBron became the best player, or at least the year there wasn't a contemporary.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 01:57 PM

This is my real account, you stupid ****.

lets ask 2009 lebron whos better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 01:59 PM

lets ask 2009 lebron whos better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84

So wait, now you're pretending that LeBron's opinion matters? Well then in that case I guess his claim that he's the greatest player of all time is true, right?

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 02:01 PM

This is my real account, you stupid ****.

Nice attempt at saving face by claiming you were now kidding this entire time even though you were dead set on me being an alt earlier.

Hey, here's a better idea. Why don't you try refuting my original points? Are you trying to tell me you are in fact too big of a bitch to admit you are wrong here?

i was mocking your idea that lebron was better cause he won mvp and that somehow made him better on both ends

kobe was 5 times the on ball defender lebron ever was and had 5 times as many skills at scoring the basketball... literally the only things lebron did better during that time was drive and pass. even his rebounding was lacking. someone that size only getting only 6 rebounds a game lmao. pathetic

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 02:04 PM

So wait, now you're pretending that LeBron's opinion matters? Well then in that case I guess his claim that he's the greatest player of all time is true, right?

i take a collection of players opinions about others when weighing all time greats. practically everyone but lebron says kobes better than lebron all time right now.. back then he was humble. now hes a narcissist

everyone else still says kobe was the best of their era. ask wade. ask tmac. ask shaq. ask anyone ... literally the only guys that say lebron over kobe/MJ are isiah thomas and doctor J because they spite them... and both guys have kareem as the goat

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 02:11 PM

i think this hollins guy on first take said lebron was better than kobe and mike

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/who-is-ryan-hollins-first-take-stats-career-nba.jpg

so thats another guy... thats 3 i think. i'm sure theres more but i can't remember them off the top of my head

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 02:16 PM

i was mocking your idea that lebron was better cause he won mvp and that somehow made him better on both ends

You just got done stating that you didn't read my post. Now you're saying you are and you don't even have what I said correct. Him winning MVP did not make him better on both ends of the floor. Him being better on both ends of the floor did.

On ball defense Kobe had the edge. No, Kobe was not five times better than LeBron. At the very least, you should try to at least be somewhat objective with the shit you say. But hey, how about I just leave you with this instead.

Analysis of LeBron's Defense (2009):

On court: 100.6 D rating (-7.7 relative to league average)
Off court: 108.8 D rating (+0.5 rel to LA)
Difference: -8.2 (According to BasketballValue.com, that difference is the 2nd highest in the league behind Pryzbilla)

The Cavs went from #1 D in the league with LeBron on the court to the equivalent of 18th when he left.

6.5 Defensive win shares (#2 in the league, only SF with more in a season are Pippen and Havlicek)

10.4 opponent counterpart PER according to 82games (equivalent to that of E'Twaun Moore and Austin Rivers this year)
82games also has opponent SF scoring 12.8 pts/36 and .525 TS% vs LeBron while opposing PF scored 13.3 pts/36 and .484 TS% when LeBron played PF.

Top 5 in on court defensive rating in 2009 (min. 2000 MP):
1. West: 99.2
2. LeBron 100.6
3. Odom 101.4
4. Turkoglu 101.4
5. Howard 101.8

LeBron is also 3rd in FG%, 4th in 3P%, and 3rd in eFG%.

Here is what some of the top SF of 2009 did vs LeBron offensively (their regular season per 36 in parenthesis)

Durant- 16.4 PPG, .518 TS% (23.3 PPG, .577 TS%)
Pierce- 18.1 PPG, .474 TS% (19.7 PPG, .582 TS%)
Johnson- 13.7 PPG, .475 TS% (19.5 PPG, .534 TS%)
Carmelo- 15.8 PPG, .488 TS% (23.8 PPG, .532 TS%)
Butler- 14.2 PPG, .438 TS% (19.4 PPG, .552 TS%)
Gay- 10.9 PPG, .357 TS% (18.3 PPG, .528 TS%)
Average dropoff: -5.8 PPG, -9.3 TS%

What’s amazing is that when faced Cleveland and LeBron was off the court, they dominated:

The 6 SF’s stats when (Per 36):
LeBron on court: 15.1 PPG, .461 TS%, 3.3 Reb, 3.6 AST-3.4 TOV, -9.4 +/-
LeBron off court: 24.6 PPG, .596 TS%, 5.9 Reb, 2.3 AST-1.8 TOV, +0.9 +/-

That is a 9.5 points per 36 and 13.5 TS% difference. In the playoffs, LeBron continued playing elite man defense. Here are how some of his guys did when LeBron was on the court (per 36 minutes):

Tayshaun Prince: 3.9 PPG, .260 TS%
Joe Johnson: 15.3 PPG, .480 TS%
Marvin Williams: 5.8 PPG, .337 TS%
Dropoff from regular season averages: -7.6 PPG, -18.1 TS%

Defensive stats from Hoopsstats.com for his position:
17.3 pts/game allowed (1st in league) (13.2 points per 36 minutes)
41.2 FG% allowed (1st)
15.1 FGA allowed (2nd fewest)
16.6 Efficiency allowed (1st)
1.3 Offensive rebounds allowed (3rd)

+2.8 Defensive RAPM [2nd among qualifying perimeter players (Artest)]

Now compare all of this for a moment to Kobe Bryant and his team, and try to make a case for Kobe being better at that end.

Oh and by the way, LeBron was second in DOPY voting that season. The man who beat him? Dwight Howard.

literally the only things lebron did better during that time was drive and pass. even his rebounding was lacking. someone that side only getting only 6 rebounds a game lmao. pathetic

6 rebounds a game? Where are you getting your facts from? His official RPG stats for that season was 7.6, not 6. In regards to offense, it doesn't matter if Kobe Bryant was more skilled or not. It still translated into LeBron creating more scoring opportunities for his teammates while still having a higher PPG average on top of having better efficiency from the field. You want to sit here and pretend that having more high scoring games determines whether or not someone is better than the other, but now when that's used against it you don't think the argument works. You can't have it both ways. Either being able to score more on higher efficiency makes you better at that end or it doesn't, which is it?

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 02:19 PM

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 02:20 PM

You just got done stating that you didn't read my post. Now you're saying you are and you don't even have what I said correct. Him winning MVP did not make him better on both ends of the floor. Him being better on both ends of the floor did.

On ball defense Kobe had the edge. No, Kobe was not five times better than LeBron. At the very least, you should try to at least be somewhat objective with the shit you say. But hey, how about I just leave you with this instead.

Now compare all of this for a moment to Kobe Bryant and his team,

Oh and by the way, LeBron was second in DOPY voting that season. The man who beat him? Dwight Howard.

6 rebounds a game? Where are you getting your facts from? His official RPG stats for that season was 7.6, not 6. In regards to offense, it doesn't matter if Kobe Bryant was more skilled or not. It still translated into LeBron creating more scoring opportunities for his teammates while still having a higher PPG average on top of having better efficiency from the field. You want to sit here and pretend that having more high scoring games determines whether or not someone is better than the other, but now when that's used against it you don't think the argument works. You can't have it both ways. Either being able to score more on higher efficiency makes you better at that end or it doesn't, which is it?

what made you join ISH for the first time in july 2021. how did you hear about this place

i'm on my 50th alt. this is your first you say? because you sound a lot like a total f*ggot that usually posts here. how come you won't show who you really are

is it because you're embarrassed and you don't want people seeing you obsess over a fraud with zero tangible accomplishments

and if lebrons defense is so great then why did he get obliterated every finals by his matchups

Kobe:

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

https://i.redd.it/fkxo4aq7glc61.gif

Lebron

Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )
Terry - 50%
Marion - 48%
Dirk - 42% ( finals MVP )
Durant - 55%
Kawhi - 51% 2013
Diaw - 50%
Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )
Manu - 50%
Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )
Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016
Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017
Iguodala - 53%
Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018
Green - 52% 2018
Iguodala - 58% 2018
Butler - 55%

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6f4ce6161f043dc29b844f8e630018ff/tenor.gif?itemid=16383014

Locked_Up_Tonight

07-25-2021, 02:35 PM

Dirk should have won MVP in 2006.

Naero

07-25-2021, 02:53 PM

Not necessarily, OP. Voters probably aren’t nearly as thoughtful about second-place votes and onwards as they are about first-place votes, and LeBron wasn’t even the second-best first-place vote-getter.

It was a close-run race among Nash, LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, and Chauncey, with the Canadian Point Guard breaking out of the pack because of the more compelling narrative. If his second option, Stoudemire, didn’t miss the entire season, it would’ve been as good as a pick’em race as I’ve ever known.

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 03:03 PM

if he actually believed what he said he wouldn't be using that crap ass alt lmao.. hes too embarrassed to say that type of shit with his real account.. the guy doesn't even understand sarcasm

Anyhoot, it was a good post. Dont really care about any of the above BS.

ShawkFactory

07-25-2021, 03:05 PM

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RS9VhThNWg

before i click on this why should i care about some fans opinion. unless this is a collection of players/coaches saying lebrons the goat or better than kobe

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:09 PM

Damn :lol

you're actually reading this stuff. it must be you typing it lol... until the alt posts under their main account i won't entertain a discussion with him. my time is too valuable

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:12 PM

its probly 1987_cavs.. he got embarrassed and can't show his face anymore. i cucked him on his life and the tony parker thing

ShawkFactory

07-25-2021, 03:22 PM

you're actually reading this stuff. it must be you typing it lol... until the alt posts under their main account i won't entertain a discussion with him. my time is too valuable

:roll:

But no, that isn’t me. You know that I know not to waste my time making posts like that to you.

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 03:56 PM

what made you join ISH for the first time in july 2021. how did you hear about this place

I wanted to see how people actually felt about the Bucks/Suns series and this was one of the very first ones that popped up when I googled it.

i'm on my 50th alt. this is your first you say? because you sound a lot like a total f*ggot that usually posts here. how come you won't show who you really are

I've already said multiple times now who I really am. Why is a random joiner being smarter than you such a difficult concept to grasp?

is it because you're embarrassed and you don't want people seeing you obsess over a fraud with zero tangible accomplishments

I wasn't aware that winning 4 MVP awards wasn't a legitimate accomplishment. Imagine being that stupid to try to argue such a thing.

and if lebrons defense is so great then why did he get obliterated every finals by his matchups

Kobe:

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

https://i.redd.it/fkxo4aq7glc61.gif

Lebron

Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )
Terry - 50%
Marion - 48%
Dirk - 42% ( finals MVP )
Durant - 55%
Kawhi - 51% 2013
Diaw - 50%
Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )
Manu - 50%
Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )
Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016
Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017
Iguodala - 53%
Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018
Green - 52% 2018
Iguodala - 58% 2018
Butler - 55%

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6f4ce6161f043dc29b844f8e630018ff/tenor.gif?itemid=16383014

You're really going to try this shit again after I already addressed it and even gave a descriptive breakdown of why it was a terrible take?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496108-Before-teaming-up-with-Wade-Bosh-how-was-Lebron-s-career-better-than-AI-Dwight-Kid&p=14402336&viewfull=1#post14402336

Next time try coming up with an actual retort based on logic and facts instead of copying and pasting already debunked piles of garbage.

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 03:57 PM

This SaintzFury poster already making a strong case for rookie of the year, absolutely destroying kenneth.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:57 PM

I wanted to see how people actually felt about the Bucks/Suns series and this was one of the very first ones that popped up when I googled it.

I've already said multiple times now who I really am. Why is a random joiner being smarter than you such a difficult concept to grasp?

I wasn't aware that winning 4 MVP awards wasn't a legitimate accomplishment. Imagine being that stupid to try to argue such a thing.

You're really going to try this shit again after I already addressed it and even gave a descriptive breakdown of why it was a terrible take?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496108-Before-teaming-up-with-Wade-Bosh-how-was-Lebron-s-career-better-than-AI-Dwight-Kid&p=14402336&viewfull=1#post14402336

Next time try coming up with an actual retort based on logic and facts instead of copying and pasting already debunked piles of garbage.

shut up racoon boy

000

07-25-2021, 03:58 PM

This SaintzFury poster already making a strong case for rookie of the year, absolutely destroying kenneth.

Agree

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 03:59 PM

This saintsfury poster already making a strong case for rookie of the year, absolutely destroying kenneth.

imagine hiding behind an alt cause you got utterly embarrassed ITT already. are you seriously giving up on your main account cause i made fun of how you haven't accomplished anything outside of ISH

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:01 PM

its probly 1987_cavs.. he got embarrassed and can't show his face anymore. i cucked him on his life and the tony parker thing

You literally got butthurt cause I ranked Duncan over past prime Shaq in 2005. Like who has meltdown over petty stuff like that? Its pathetic.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:01 PM

Agree

i don't really care anymore since its the same guy day in day out defending lebron. like where the f*ck did they all go lol.. even jeff and steve are barely around anymore

this place doesn't deserve a poster like me anymore tbh. its not booming here anymore. i remember the days when jeff and steve would post with 10 alts each in every thread to make it appear as though this forum was actually popular. what happened

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:02 PM

Agree

Yup, everyone knows it too. Kenneth got absolutely slaughtered in this thread.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:08 PM

You literally got butthurt cause I ranked Duncan over past prime Shaq in 2005. Like who has meltdown over petty stuff like that? Its pathetic.

i was actually mad. its true. because i realized i was talking to a guy that started watching in 2007

that whole "i was a huge 3 peat lakers fan at the age of 10" shtick got exposed real quick the minute i finally started to dig. i never really cared about conversing with you as a poster before this latest stint because jeff and steve were far more active in every thread so its all i saw. you just sat back and enjoyed their spamming i guess. it seems like you're the only one left trying so you've had to ramp up your effort. only problem is you were a child with your thumb up your ass when most of the stuff we're debating was going on. so now i don't respect you. you literally only know lebron. and that means you have no objectivity.

you've never known a time when lebron wasn't playing. i've watched since 92 or 93 casually. got into it around 95 cause of penny. really liked jordan after space jam and his big comeback.. then got into kobe in 98. and since kobes retirement i've still been watching ever since

so i'm a tried and tested nba fan. i can watch without obsessing over a player. i don't know if you can

and that means your opinion isn't validated as of yet. we'l wait till 5 years after lebrons retired and gone before addressing your right to talk to me

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:09 PM

before i click on this why should i care about some fans opinion. unless this is a collection of players/coaches saying lebrons the goat or better than kobe

If you are saying that a well constructed and critical breakdown involving facts and logic has less merit than a player/coach with obvious favoritism, then this is why everyone on this site thinks you're an idiot.

But if it makes you feel any better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWUvi6M2yo4

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:11 PM

shut up racoon boy

After all of that, this is the best you could come up with. You are truly a pathetic display of a poster.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:11 PM

If you are saying that a well constructed and critical breakdown involving facts and logic has less merit than a player/coach with obvious favoritism, then this is why everyone on this site thinks you're an idiot.

But if it makes you feel any better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWUvi6M2yo4

sorry fuzz ball. you gotta up your rep before addressing a legend like myself

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:15 PM

sorry fuzz ball. you gotta up your rep before addressing a legend like myself

You have 485 posts and joined this very month.

The only thing you've proven to me so far is that you have nothing better to do with your life than try to convince people you've never met that LeBron called Adam Silver to get Draymond suspended.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:15 PM

After all of that, this is the best you could come up with. You are truly a pathetic display of a poster.

yeah i guess so. whats your name again. this guy owned me. hes a legend. he should post under this name for 10 years and create a reputation so this day of july 25th 2021 when you showcased your skills isn't wasted

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:16 PM

You have 485 posts and joined this very month.

oh sh*t you're right. derp

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:17 PM

i was actually mad. its true. because i realized i was talking to a guy that started watching in 2007

that whole "i was a huge 3 peat lakers fan at the age of 10" shtick got exposed real quick the minute i finally started to dig. i never really cared about conversing with you as a poster before this latest stint because jeff and steve were far more active in every thread so its all i saw. you just sat back and enjoyed their spamming i guess. it seems like you're the only one left trying so you've had to ramp up your effort. only problem is you were a child with your thumb up your ass when most of the stuff we're debating was going on. so now i don't respect you. you literally only know lebron. and that means you have no objectivity.

you've never known a time when lebron wasn't playing. i've watched since 92 or 93 casually. got into it around 95 cause of penny. really liked jordan after space jam and his big comeback.. then got into kobe in 98. and since kobes retirement i've still been watching ever since

so i'm a tried and tested nba fan. i can watch without obsessing over a player. i don't know if you can

and that means your opinion isn't validated as of yet. we'l wait till 5 years after lebrons retired and gone before addressing your right to talk to me

You obviously weren't even watching the NBA in 2005, you thought Shaq was still at his peak. I gave a reason why I thought Duncan was better than Shaq that year and you just started to act childishly and quickly changed the subject to Wade once your realized Shaq wasnt in his prime in 2005.

MrFonzworth

07-25-2021, 04:20 PM

After all of that, this is the best you could come up with. You are truly a pathetic display of a poster.

Saints with a z putting in work already:applause:

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:21 PM

After all of that, this is the best you could come up with. You are truly a pathetic display of a poster.

:oldlol:

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:21 PM

You obviously weren't even watching the NBA in 2005, you thought Shaq was still at his peak. I gave a reason why I thought Duncan was better than Shaq that year and you just started to act childishly and quickly changed the subject to Wade once your realized Shaq wasnt in his prime in 2005.

you're right. 2005 shaq would lose finals mvp to tony parker

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:23 PM

Saints with a z putting in work already:applause:

hes amazing. he cucked me bad ITT. its almost like hes making me not care because i'm talking to a guy that has 50 posts and doesn't have a clue who i am. that or hes an alt so i care even less

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:23 PM

:oldlol:

damn maybe i should retire

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:24 PM

you're right. 2005 shaq would lose finals mvp to tony parker

Shaq in the ECF in '05 only averaged 21 and 8, for all I know he probably would have. And I'm pretty sure Duncan was Finals MVP in 05.

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 04:26 PM

Saintz abusing Kenny at the moment, not looking good

https://images.dailykos.com/images/610672/large/chester_and_spike.gif?1541956017

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:30 PM

Saintz abusing Kenny at the moment, not looking good

https://images.dailykos.com/images/610672/large/chester_and_spike.gif?1541956017

this ^ ... well i guess thats it for me boyz. its obvious we have a new board terrorizer. this place is in good hands now without me

he will drive traffic like me in my prime. i'm sure he isn't just some alt thats insanely pissed off at me. i'm sure this kind of energy will continue and others might actually read what he has to say even though he has no clue who i am or who any of you are

this guy is my successor. i can finally retire

MrFonzworth

07-25-2021, 04:30 PM

hes amazing. he cucked me bad ITT. its almost like hes making me not care because i'm talking to a guy that has 50 posts and doesn't have a clue who i am. that or hes an alt so i care even less

Probably (idk) roundball. Pretty bad at hiding the fact he's an alt.

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:31 PM

this ^ ... well i guess thats it for me boyz. its obvious we have a new board terrorizer. this place is in good hands now without me

he will drive traffic like me in my prime. i'm sure he isn't just some alt thats insanely pissed off at me. i'm sure this kind of energy will continue and others might actually read what he has to say even though he has no clue who i am or who any of you are

this guy is my successor. i can finally retire

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:31 PM

Shaq in the ECF in '05 only averaged 21 and 8, for all I know he probably would have. And I'm pretty sure Duncan was Finals MVP in 05.

what are you debating me for. SaintzFury13 will surely take you on

MrFonzworth

07-25-2021, 04:32 PM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

How's your f5 key looking. That was pretty quick brah

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:33 PM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

nor the trash can lid for you little fella

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/J0cepwjBPtyvZNg-3A_g_gs3d7s=/420x240/filters:focal(1339x1017:1340x1018)/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/9d/2f/9d2f02ee-9f50-4501-bdbf-efa3c4760c17/14781053000_3112fa0913_o.jpg

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 04:34 PM

1987_Lakers

07-25-2021, 04:34 PM

Cool. When you walk in traffic would you mind doing it blind-folded?

Signed,

Mankind

:roll:

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 04:36 PM

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he used to like me. but then during my fake bran fam leader shtick he got insanely pissed and legit believed it. then got even angrier when i had to post out of character and remind him im still on his side. now hes been attacking me nonstop even though everything i say now is sh*t he agrees with

phoenix is quite the jilted bride. pay no attention to him

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 04:42 PM

he used to like me. but then during my fake bran fam leader shtick he got insanely pissed and legit believed it. then got even angrier when i had to post out of character and remind him im still on his side. now hes been attacking me nonstop even though everything i say now is sh*t he agrees with

phoenix is quite the jilted bride. pay no attention to him

I'm only giving you the time of day now because every-time I see a clown on the side of the road I have to stop and give them spare change. I've never agreed with you, about anything. Ever.

MadDog

07-25-2021, 04:46 PM

he used to like me. but then during my fake bran fam leader shtick he got insanely pissed and legit believed it. then got even angrier when i had to post out of character and remind him im still on his side. now hes been attacking me nonstop even though everything i say now is sh*t he agrees with

phoenix is quite the jilted bride. pay no attention to him

I don't have an opinion on that "Phoenix" guy, but ya, I already knew your clown ass was trolling. What was funny about your little bit was LeBron fans becoming jealous. One week in and you were already taking their shine. Especially that one LeBron fan who has like 10 accounts here. The envy was real, which is why bitchass "Fury" made another account to debate. :oldlol: Hoe ass trick

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:46 PM

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:48 PM

what are you debating me for. SaintzFury13 will surely take you on

What's the debate about?

*looks*

Duncan was better than Shaq in 2005, you absolute retard.

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 04:49 PM

I don't have an opinion on that "Phoenix" guy, but ya, I already knew your clown ass was trolling. What was funny about your little bit was that LeBron fans becoming jealous. One week in and you were already taking their shine. Especially that one LeBron fan who has like 10 accounts here. The envy was real, which is why bitchass "Fury" made another account to debate. :oldlol: Hoe ass trick

If you morons are so sure I'm an alt account, then prove it.

Phoenix

07-25-2021, 04:50 PM

I don't have an opinion on that "Phoenix" guy, but ya, I already knew your clown ass was trolling. What was funny about your little bit was the LeBron fans being jealous of you. One week in and you were already taking their shine. Especially that one LeBron fan who has like 10 accounts here. The envy was real, which is why bitchass "Fury" made another account to debate. Hoe ass trick :oldlol:

It was obvious what he was doing. Somehow he's deluded himself into thinking I thought he had switched fan clubs which for the record....who cares whether he really had or otherwise? I mean none of this shit actually matters, but somehow Kenny thinks who he's a fan of is important to someone other than himself.

000

07-25-2021, 04:52 PM

I love how this thread was actually about something else before kenneth escaped from the mental asylum and derailed it on post #5 7 pages ago

MadDog

07-25-2021, 04:56 PM

If you morons are so sure I'm an alt account, then prove it.

We don't have to "prove" the sky is blue. Its just obvious. Kinda like you being a sorry ass loser. :oldlol: Now go make another account p*ssy. Make it snappy too

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 05:03 PM

We don't have to "prove" the sky is blue. Its just obvious. Kinda like you being a sorry ass loser. :oldlol: Now go make another account p*ssy. Make it snappy too

So in other words you have no proof. Either that or you're just as big of a ***** as I expect you to be.

Like I said before, have any mod on here match my IP with anyone. You'll quickly find no matches.

MadDog

07-25-2021, 05:03 PM

I love how this thread was actually about something else before kenneth escaped from the mental asylum and derailed it on post #5 7 pages ago

Weren't you an anti LeBron, Kobe fangirl like a week ago? You posters change more gimmicks than you do leaving your house.

So in other words you have no proof. Either that or you're just as big of a ***** as I expect you to be.

Like I said before, have any mod on here match my IP with anyone. You'll quickly find no matches.

Nobody is gonna check your IP, fakkot. Quit pretending like you don't already know that. :oldlol:

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 05:05 PM

Nobody is gonna check your IP, fakkot. Quit pretending like you don't already know that. :oldlol:

Why not? Are you really that worried about being proven wrong? I mean I get it after seeing what happened to your butt buddy here, but at least pretend that you have a set of balls in between those legs of yours.

000

07-25-2021, 05:05 PM

I have no idea what youre talking about @MadDog

HunterSThompson

07-25-2021, 05:10 PM

So in other words you have no proof. Either that or you're just as big of a ***** as I expect you to be.

Like I said before, have any mod on here match my IP with anyone. You'll quickly find no matches.

yeah. i dare any mod here to match my IP with kennethgriffin

or kennethgriffen

or kennth griffin

or griffmoney1984

or orange_cassidy

or James_spader

MadDog

07-25-2021, 05:12 PM

Why not? Are you really that worried about being proven wrong? I mean I get it after seeing what happened to your butt buddy here, but at least pretend that you have a set of balls in between those legs of yours.

Damn a 2 minute reply. You're tapdancing now lol. Nobody is gonna "check your IP" cuz no mod ever does. With anyone. That's not how it works. But you already know that, and you're playing the "awww shucks" clueless gimmick. Like I said bitch, you're obvious. When you make your next account, I want my name smack dab in your signature.

"MadDog ™"

SaintzFury13

07-25-2021, 06:03 PM

Damn a 2 minute reply. You're tapdancing now lol. Nobody is gonna "check your IP" cuz no mod ever does. With anyone. That's not how it works.

That's exactly how that shit works. If someone is being accused of being a rejoiner, you check their IP's to see if they match with anyone. It's as simple as that. Are you really that stupid that you don't understand something so simple?

But you already know that, and you're playing the "awww shucks" clueless gimmick. Like I said bitch, you're obvious. When you make your next account, I want my name smack dab in your signature.

"MadDog ™"

It's something that can literally prove your theory to be true or false. And it can be done in a matter of minutes. Own up to your words and ask one to do it. Don't be a bitch.

Also, what logical reason would I have at this point to still be playing dumb if I was in fact a rejoiner?