these "more skilled" players can barely score 80 points with old rules

[Bronbron23]

Must be a tough pill to swallow for all these guys saying this era is way better. Let defenses hand check, body, fight through screens and contest without fear of a cheap call and the game is way different. You can see guys having to work way harder to get looks.

And i'm not saying previous era's were better but they clearly weren't worse. The nba rules have everything to do with how easy players score now.

[And1AllDay]

imagine forgetting nba teams build chemistry and disregarding it for a sh1tty thread :oldlol:

next

[tpols]

and contest without fear of a cheap call


Major point. I feel bad for NBA defenders that have to contest jumpers. If you come within a foot of them You're liable to have them flop fall and get calls which wildly swings momentum and nueters the defense going forward. Scam shit.

[3ba11]

This is why Curry is nowhere near say, Maravich

Just like Curry grew up shooting threes, Maravich grew up shooting contested two's while getting bumped as a standard.. Today's players only know how to set up the neat little jumpers that today's spacing and hands-off defense provides.. If you took away the spacing or hands-off defense, today's NBA players are lost, as we saw today

[Stephonit]

This is why Curry is nowhere near say, Maravich

Just like Curry grew up shooting threes, Maravich grew up shooting contested two's while getting bumped as a standard.. Today's players only know how to set up the neat little jumpers that today's spacing and hands-off defense provides.. If you took away the spacing or hands-off defense, today's NBA players are lost, as we saw today

Is Curry playing at the Olympics? He's not even playing and he's getting blamed for the poor performance of all these inferior players! :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

imagine forgetting nba teams build chemistry and disregarding it for a sh1tty thread :oldlol:

next

Imagine being so dumb to forget that there's been usa olympic teams every 4 years and those teams have rarely not scored 100 points or more let alone 80. Good try though chief :facepalm

[8Ball]

These players are trying to replicate Jordan Ball.

Chuck chuck chuck

[And1AllDay]

Imagine being so dumb to forget that there's been usa olympic teams every 4 years and those teams have rarely not scored 100 points or more let alone 80. Good try though chief :facepalm

imagine not knowing 90% of these players did not play in olympics, all are new and did not play together except like 3 guys :oldlol: you thinks this is the same roster from 4 yrs ago? :oldlol:

imagine comparing nba teams that play5 years together to brand new olympic teams that played 5 practice games together

:oldlol: maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[tpols]

Is Curry playing at the Olympics? He's not even playing and he's getting blamed for the poor performance of all these inferior players! :facepalm

Half of 3balls takes are retarded. You shouldn't be surprised.

[And1AllDay]

Half of 3balls takes are retarded. You shouldn't be surprised.

true

but thurston why did you never tell us what t pols means?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zRwfvb8/Tpols_flexing_lol.png

[3ba11]

Is Curry playing at the Olympics? He's not even playing and he's getting blamed for the poor performance of all these inferior players! :facepalm


Curry is responsible for taking the basketball out of basketball and making it a 3-point contest where any talent-less country (basketball-wise) can win by winning the 3-point contest that the game has become.. Talent and skill don't matter anymore because it's a 3-point contest

[Bronbron23]

imagine not knowing 90% of these players did not play in olympics, all are new and did not play together except like 3 guys :oldlol: you thinks this is the same roster from 4 yrs ago? :oldlol:

imagine comparing nba teams that play5 years together to brand new olympic teams that played 5 practice games together

:oldlol: maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

Wow your dumb. The last usa olympic team had 2 returning players which is the same as this year. Once again good try chief :facepalm

[hold this L]

Is Curry playing at the Olympics? He's not even playing and he's getting blamed for the poor performance of all these inferior players! :facepalm
2ball doesn't watch basketball. It's his words. He hasn't watched for like 7 years yet this idiot seems to have a lot to say about current players.

2ball is mentally challenged.

[tpols]

Curry is responsible for taking the basketball out of basketball and making it a 3-point contest where any talent-less country (basketball-wise) can win by winning the 3-point contest that the game has become.. Talent and skill don't matter anymore because it's a 3-point contest

They aren't winning because of 3s. France shot 8-27 on 3s today. They sucked from 3. They shot like Scottie Pippen from 3.

They're winning because they play as a team and soft manufactured NBA superstars don't get the same calls outside the WWE.

[Stephonit]

Curry is responsible for taking the basketball out of basketball and making it a 3-point contest where any talent-less country (basketball-wise) can win by winning the 3-point contest that the game has become.. Talent and skill don't matter anymore because it's a 3-point contest

No the ones responsible for that is the league which loosened things up for other players so that they could look like Curry without being Curry. Case in point: Lillard. Always inferior numbers to Curry until recently where he finally matched Curry's worst year in terms of efficiency. Or consider Harden and his miraculous ability to draw fouls. Curry on the other hand is the high-volume scorer least reliant on free throws in NBA history. If it wasn't for these modifications by the league to help his peers Curry would stick out even further as the greatest player in the game.

[Bronbron23]

Curry is responsible for taking the basketball out of basketball and making it a 3-point contest where any talent-less country (basketball-wise) can win by winning the 3-point contest that the game has become.. Talent and skill don't matter anymore because it's a 3-point contest

Well technically daryl morey is responsible for that. You can't really blame steph for doing it better

[Bronbron23]

No the ones responsible for that is the league which loosened things up for other players so that they could look like Curry without being Curry. Case in point: Lillard. Always inferior numbers to Curry until recently where he finally matched Curry's worst year in terms of efficiency. Or consider Harden and his miraculous ability to draw fouls. Curry on the other hand is the high-volume scorer least reliant on free throws in NBA history. If it wasn't for these modifications by the league to help his peers Curry would stick out even further as the greatest player in the game.

Daryl morey is actually responsible for it. He came out with the analytics on why 3>2 and the rockets started shooting more threes and the league followed

[Manny98]

Players today are not "more skilled"

However you have to admit that there is a higher pool of skilled players today than their was in previous eras due to more international talent?

[97 bulls]

I have a question, if the NBA is so far ahead of the and so much better than the NBA of the past, shouldn't they still be better than teams over seas?

[Bronbron23]

Players today are not "more skilled"

However you have to admit that there is a higher pool of skilled players today than their was in previous eras due to more international talent?

Teams are definitely deeper

[Bronbron23]

I have a question, if the NBA is so far ahead of the and so much better than the NBA of the past, shouldn't they still be better than teams over seas?

Well i think one if the points of the nba being better is that international ball is better.

[Phoenix]

Players today are not "more skilled"

However you have to admit that there is a higher pool of skilled players today than their was in previous eras due to more international talent?

The skills are just different. Post play has taken a major dip as has the midrange. The Warriors( because they had 3 transcendent shooters on one team) obscured the reality that the ability to dominate in the mid-range, when the 3ball isnt falling and the rim is sealed off, is still probably the premium offensive gift you'd want to have. You're not likely to see a team again with the 3 man shooting talent of KD/Steph/Klay. It was an aberration.

The world talent pool is most certainly deeper, and arrogance has led to the US sending their B squad with a few a-listers and thinking they're going to strut to gold. Those days are long over.

[MadDog]

Its a myth perpetuated by dumbass LeBron fans. :oldlol: Top to bottom, the league's got more talent because the game is more global. But "more" skills? Of course not. Carrying the basketball, unloading threes and eliminating everything in-between isnt "more" skill. Its just a different play style.

[ShawkFactory]

Curry is responsible for taking the basketball out of basketball and making it a 3-point contest where any talent-less country (basketball-wise) can win by winning the 3-point contest that the game has become.. Talent and skill don't matter anymore because it's a 3-point contest

You’re a fool.

You’re trying to apply what’s happening to the NBA game to the rest of the world. If anything, the 3pt contest that the NBA is becoming disallows guys from developing a true teamwork style game, which the other countries employ.

[FKAri]

Another veiled Curry hate thread.

[j3lademaster]

Must be a tough pill to swallow for all these guys saying this era is way better. Let defenses hand check, body, fight through screens and contest without fear of a cheap call and the game is way different. You can see guys having to work way harder to get looks.

And i'm not saying previous era's were better but they clearly weren't worse. The nba rules have everything to do with how easy players score now.Today's players are probably more skilled in general, though I will concede that the average fan solely looks at a player's ability to dribble, shoot and pass to determine their skill level.

What's happening in FIBA has already been outlined in the op, I'll just be taking a deeper dive into the details. Today's manufactured superstars are too conditioned to being babied. Add the fact that outside the top 3-6 players on a 12-15 man roster, players are being chosen based on analytics moreso than how good they actually are at basketball. For example, a player with a rapm of +5 when on the court with Lillard will get taken over a superior player who is only +2 with Lillard. So the stars are not only conditioned to expect certain officiating entitlement, they're also expecting several roleplayers to essentially play FOR them. The roleplayers are there accentuate their star player's best attributes while covering for their most glaring weaknesses, which is why we see this new phenomenon of gaudy statlines. So when you make a random group of these diva brats and none of them are willing to do the dirty work to make someone else look good, you get failure(relatively speaking) despite the overwhelming advantage in pure talent.

[sdot_thadon]

Must be a tough pill to swallow for all these guys saying this era is way better. Let defenses hand check, body, fight through screens and contest without fear of a cheap call and the game is way different. You can see guys having to work way harder to get looks.

And i'm not saying previous era's were better but they clearly weren't worse. The nba rules have everything to do with how easy players score now.

It's true and it's also true that players from that particular era didn't fare as well against zone concepts, to the point it was outlawed for the good of the product. Sounds pretty familiar doesn't it? Different eras, different styles, different weakness. Yawn.

[Phoenix]

Today's players are probably more skilled in general, though I will concede that the average fan solely looks at a player's ability to dribble, shoot and pass to determine their skill level.



Imagine if Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson, guys from the 80's/90s who had the ball on a string were allowed to play under modern ball-handling rules. Some of the things being called 'more skilled' are mostly in the areas of ball-handling like you said but even then, Kyrie and Steph level guys are few and far between. Range shooting has obviously also improved but it's because it's a more practiced shot. Clearly if guys like Reggie, Bird, Petrovic, Rice, Price, Dale Eliis, Ray Allen...guys of that shooting ilk....came along in 2010 they'd be putting up similar shooting numbers to what you see today from the 'elites'. It's a different game. I mean shit, Ray 15 years ago was taking 8 threes and hitting 41% of them. Today he's be taking probably 10-11, without any major dip in efficiency.

[ShawkFactory]

Imagine if Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson, guys from the 80's/90s who had the ball on a string were allowed to play under modern ball-handling rules. Some of the things being called 'more skilled' are mostly in the areas of ball-handling like you said but even then, Kyrie and Steph level guys are few and far between. Range shooting has obviously also improved but it's because it's a more practiced shot. Clearly if guys like Reggie, Bird, Petrovic, Rice, Price, Dale Eliis, Ray Allen...guys of that shooting ilk....came along in 2010 they'd be putting up similar shooting numbers to what you see today from the 'elites'. It's a different game. I mean shit, Ray 15 years ago was taking 8 threes and hitting 41% of them. Today he's be taking probably 10-11, without any major dip in efficiency.

By that same logic you can also say that if guys today came up in the 80s they’d be practicing less 3s and ISOs and would fit in to what the game was.

Unless you just think basketball players are inherently less talented now

[Phoenix]

By that same logic you can also say that if guys today came up in the 80s they’d be practicing less 3s and ISOs and would fit in to what the game was.

Unless you just think basketball players are inherently less talented now

Nope, I don't. If you took todays guys and dumped them in the 90s they'd work better in the mid-range and out of the post, because that's how the game was played. I'm more than aware that the hypotheticals go both ways.

[tpols]

You’re a fool.

You’re trying to apply what’s happening to the NBA game to the rest of the world. If anything, the 3pt contest that the NBA is becoming disallows guys from developing a true teamwork style game, which the other countries employ.


Its not just that... France shot terrible from 3 today and still won. So they didn't win with 3s... they won by out executing as a team.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP still spreading them cheeks

[ClipperRevival]

Beta era. Beta mentality. Beta players.

Jesus Christ man, if the 3s ain't falling, take that sh*t to the rack.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6cc4b7649bc1480b68b4991e0c24794e/tenor.gif?itemid=4428068

[3ba11]

Its not just that... France shot terrible from 3 today and still won. So they didn't win with 3s... they won by out executing as a team.


Team USA has a squad of all-nba guys and we're losing to nba bench-warmers

so there's no excuse for the NBA losing, except that the NBA's AAU style and rules have made our players bad at actual basketball

the iso style or 2-man game that the NBA promotes, along with the soft rules results in dogshit basketball players that can't compete on the international level (which is apparently a higher level and stronger format than the NBA)

[ShawkFactory]

Team USA has a squad of all-nba guys and we're losing to nba bench-warmers

so there's no excuse for the NBA losing, except that the NBA's AAU style and rules have made our players bad at actual basketball

the iso style or 2-man game that the NBA promotes, along with the soft rules results in dogshit basketball players that can't compete on the international level (which is apparently a higher level and stronger format than the NBA)

So...also NBA players :lol

NBA players losing to NBA players means..NBA problem

[3ba11]

So...also NBA players :lol

NBA players losing to NBA players means..NBA problem


All-NBA players aren't supposed to lose to bench warmers, otherwise you wouldn't have teams that win 12 games and teams that win 60+

Keep playing dumb tho.. you're good at it

[ShawkFactory]

All-NBA players aren't supposed to lose to bench warmers, otherwise you wouldn't have teams that win 12 games and teams that win 60+

Keep playing dumb tho.. you're good at it

I understand the premise. You’re just making terrible arguments to support it.

You’re good at that.

[Phoenix]

All-NBA players aren't supposed to lose to bench warmers, otherwise you wouldn't have teams that win 12 games and teams that win 60+

Keep playing dumb tho.. you're good at it

The thing is, in NBA ball the difference between 'superstar X' and 'benchwarmer' X is more pronounced than the difference between the two in international competition. NBA rules give further advantage to the best players. Int'l rules do tip the scales a little more to the center when actual basketball is played. I remember one competition, don't remember which, where if I was an alien visiting earth and just being introduced to basketball I would have thought Patty Mills was one of the best players on the planet, I mean even in comparison to NBA players who were actual 'stars'.

So you can have a competitive game between a team of NBA stars and a team that may only feature a couple of decent NBA players. That's not even taking into account the Int'l teams that have your Jokic/Luka level players on there.

[And1AllDay]

true

but thurston why did you never tell us what t pols means?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zRwfvb8/Tpols_flexing_lol.png

thurston?

[97 bulls]

Well i think one if the points of the nba being better is that international ball is better.

Better relative to the past international teams right? Follow me. If the NBA has improved 20pts since the Dream Team of 92, And international teams have improved 20pts from where they were in the early 90s. Shouldn't the NBA still be whipping these international teams?

[MadDog]

Better relative to the past international teams right? Follow me. If the NBA has improved 20pts since the Dream Team of 92, And international teams have improved 20pts from where they were in the early 90s. Shouldn't the NBA still be whipping these international teams?

Right been saying its cuz of the soft NBA rules, and 3 point influx. Not that shooting threes are bad. Obviously teams should employ a healthy amount of them. But to abandon the in-between isnt what I'd call evolution. More like devolving.

What's your theory?

[Phoenix]

Right been saying its cuz of the soft NBA rules, and 3 point influx. Not that shooting threes are bad. Obviously teams should employ a healthy amount of them. But to abandon the in-between isnt what I'd call evolution. More like devolving.

What's your theory?

I dont think it's really as complicated as we are making it. The international teams/players have simply gotten better. When the original dream team introduced basketball to the global stage, this was always going to be the net result. Teams from across the pond have access to watch the same players as over this side now, emulate and learn from while still learning the benefits of team play fundamentals.

The current generation of NBA stars were raised on loose fundamentals. On hero ball. They present as more 'skilled' with better handles( you can carry the ball way more than you could 30 years ago), travelling has become more obscure and subjective. The game has moved further out to the perimeter at the expense of the in-between/post. International ball retains more of the purer aspects of the game with less emphasis on the flashy individualism that defines American NBA stars, being coddled and told they're the shit in high school. Players have a 'brand' now to protect. It's just alot of little things adding up. The original dream team still was grounded in solid fundamentals, to go along with the superior talent.

[MadDog]

I dont think it's really as complicated as we are making it. The international teams/players have simply gotten better. When the original dream team introduced basketball to the global stage, this was always going to be the net result. Teams from across the pond have access to watch the same players as over this side now, emulate and learn from while still learning the benefits of team play fundamentals.

The current generation of NBA stars were raised on loose fundamentals. On hero ball. They present as more 'skilled' with better handles( you can carry the ball way more than you could 30 years ago), travelling has become more obscure and subjective. The game has moved further out to the perimeter at the expense of the in-between/post. International ball retains more of the purer aspects of the game with less emphasis on the flashy individualism that defines American NBA stars, being coddled and told they're the shit in high school. Players have a 'brand' now to protect. It's just alot of little things adding up. The original dream team still was grounded in solid fundamentals, to go along with the superior talent.

Are rules and style of play complicated though? Sure everyone's learning curve is different, but if you look back a page or two, I also mentioned world talent being better. Top to bottom. Its just a fact that rules and style of play serve a role here. Idk how much, but they absolutely matter. I recently watched a video with Zack Lavine practicing new handles and different kinds of footwork. A pro player from Spain was helping Zack get equipped with how the game is called internationally, and how it'll be called in the Olympics.

Overall, not a fan of how this team is built. They need better point play and tall timber.

[Phoenix]

Are rules and style of play complicated though? Sure everyone's learning curve is different, but if you look back a page or two, I also mentioned world talent being better. Top to bottom. Its just a fact that rules and style of play serve a role here. Idk how much, but they absolutely matter. I recently watched a video with Zack Lavine practicing new handles and different kinds of footwork. A pro player from Spain was helping Zack get equipped with how the game is called internationally, and how it'll be called in the Olympics.

Overall, not a fan of how this team is built. They need better point play and tall timber.

Yes, that's what I said in my first paragraph. The international players are better. It was bound to happen when the NBA introduced the Dream team to the world in 1992. That chasm was destined to be finite. Combine that with international players learning the game based on international ball rules,and....yeah. Here we are. The scales are tipping close to the middle. Certainly the fact that USA didnt send the absolute best team, either in terms of marquee talent( B team stars with a few A-listers) or make-up, and losing today shouldn't be the big surprise it would have been 10 years ago.

[MadDog]

Yes, that's what I said in my first paragraph. The international players are better. It was bound to happen when the NBA introduced the Dream team to the world in 1992. That chasm was destined to be finite. Combine that with international players learning the game based on international ball rules,and....yeah. Here we are. The scales are tipping close to the middle. Certainly the fact that USA didnt send the absolute best team, either in terms of marquee talent( B team stars with a few A-listers) or make-up, and losing today shouldn't be the big surprise it would have been 10 years ago.

We're definitely in that stage where the B and C team wont cut it. If USA opts for less talent, they should send guys who actually fit together. Not just names. Watching a team with a bunch of dudes who play similar is a damn eye sore.

[DoctorP]

DREAM TEAM
REDEEM TEAM
DREAM TEAM 2

everyone else

[DoctorP]

The 96 squad was awesome :confusedshrug: Shaq/Barkley/Hakeem/Robinson/Malone/G.Hill/Penny/Payton/Stockton/Miller/Richmond/Pippen

yeah, you're right :D

[Bronbron23]

OP still spreading them cheeks

Sorry fakkit I'm sure you'd like that but i don't get down like that. Must be why you like bron so much. He spread his cheeks in the finals more than anyone. He even spread his cheeks for china recently so he basically took it up the ass from a billion people. Wonder who he'll spread him for next?

[Axe]

true

but thurston why did you never tell us what t pols means?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zRwfvb8/Tpols_flexing_lol.png
:roll::roll::roll:

[1987_Lakers]

This is why Curry is nowhere near say, Maravich

Just like Curry grew up shooting threes, Maravich grew up shooting contested two's while getting bumped as a standard.. Today's players only know how to set up the neat little jumpers that today's spacing and hands-off defense provides.. If you took away the spacing or hands-off defense, today's NBA players are lost, as we saw today

From not even being better than Maravich to top 10 all-time in a matter of months.

[ShawkFactory]

From not even being better than Maravich to top 10 all-time in a matter of months.

Top 5

[RRR3]

Top 5
He only moved Curry up because we pointed out his ranking of Curry was inconsistent given his supposed criteria. I got him to rank Rick frigging Barry top 10 by doing this :oldlol:

[FKAri]

From not even being better than Maravich to top 10 all-time in a matter of months.

Rather than change with the wind, his opinions follow the undulations of the psychiatric drug levels in his system.