How do we know Lebron can win without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer??

[3ba11]

He never did it in 2 decades, while guys like MJ, Giannis, Kobe, Dirk, Wade and Kawhi did.

Lebron's suboptimal brand of ball (ball-dominance) needs extra talent to win (needs super-teams)

[And1AllDay]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

[3ba11]

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88' Pippen.......... 8/5 and 0.8 blocks... benchwarmer

05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks... all-star
05' Hughes....... 22/6 and 3.0 steals... 1st team defense
Mike Brown...... Future COY and HOF


^^^^ Lebron needed a lot more help to make playoffs

[ShawkFactory]

You made this thread yesterday?

[3ba11]

You made this thread yesterday?


No

[ShawkFactory]

No

Yes

[3ba11]

Yes


Where

[000]

Lebron never played on a superteam

[3ba11]

Lebron never played on a superteam


3 perennial all-stars = super-team, aka "big 3"

This is common knowledge, so it's immature to deny it

[000]

Perennial allstar is nothing in the Least

[ShawkFactory]

Where

Oh you’re one of those people that goes “nuh uh I worded it differently! See!”

Child

[3ba11]

Perennial allstar is nothing in the Least


The HOF status of Wade/Bosh confirms their worthiness of being perennial all-stars... Ditto Kyrie/Love

[SouBeachTalents]

You made this thread yesterday?
He's made this thread for 7 consecutive years :lol

[Manny98]

Where
You literally have another thread on the first page talking about how Lebron can't win without superteams

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496108-Before-teaming-up-with-Wade-Bosh-how-was-Lebron-s-career-better-than-AI-Dwight-Kid

[SaintzFury13]

He never did it in 2 decades, while guys like MJ, Giannis, Kobe, Dirk, Wade and Kawhi did.

Um, yeah he did. Twice.

He did it in 2016 and he did it again in 2020. Stop with this idiotic narrative already.


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88' Pippen.......... 8/5 and 0.8 blocks... benchwarmer

05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks... all-star
05' Hughes....... 22/6 and 3.0 steals... 1st team defense
Mike Brown...... Future COY and HOF


^^^^ Lebron needed a lot more help to make playoffs

I have truly seen it all. Trying to argue that Mike Brown was in anyway a good coach. Amazing.

[3ba11]

He's made this thread for 7 consecutive years :lol


I'm still trying to find the time when Lebron won the title without 2 perennial all-star teammates (no super-team) as the clear-cut top producer

Can't find it

Instead, all I find is evidence that he needs extra talent (super-team) to offset his suboptimal brand/skillset (a taller John Wall)

[3ba11]

Um, yeah he did. Twice.

He did it in 2016 and he did it again in 2020. Stop with this idiotic narrative already.


Super-team = 3 perennial all-stars, aka "big 3"... This is common knowledge.

So the Heat and Cavs were super-teams, and Lebron wasn't the clear-cut top producer:in 2020 (AD actually was)...

Again, Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.like MJ, Giannis, Kobe, Dirk, Wade and Kawhi did.

[8Ball]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

1st post slay as usual :lol

[8Ball]

Jordan had the only super team in the 90s.


Stern stacked the deck in his favor.

[3ba11]

Jordan had the only super team in the 90s.


Stern stacked the deck in his favor.


A super-team is 3 perennial all-stars - no Jordan team had that

[000]

Jordan had the only super team in the 90s.


Stern stacked the deck in his favor.

Stern changed the rules for mj

[And1AllDay]

1st post slay as usual :lol

stop

drop

shuttem downnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

open up shop

:dancin

op is shaking :oldlol:

[SaintzFury13]

Super-team = 3 perennial all-stars, aka "big 3"... This is common knowledge.

So the Heat and Cavs were super-teams, and Lebron wasn't the clear-cut top producer:in 2020 (AD actually was)...

Again, Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.like MJ, Giannis, Kobe, Dirk, Wade and Kawhi did.

First off, the Cavaliers weren't even the best team in the NBA in 2016. In fact they weren't even the second best. And there are some people out there who even argue that the Thunder were the superior team that season. So the super team narrative doesn't even work here because it doesn't give LeBron any advantage over his top opponents.

Second, Kevin Love averaged 8.5 PPG and 6 RPG in that finals series. His best all around performance was in game 1, which Golden State won. Kevin Love's only significant contribution that still gets talked about to this day was locking down Curry in the final minute of that game, and even then there's no guarantee Curry even makes that shot with anyone else guarding him, especially with how poorly he shot the ball that night. In other words, LeBron won the NBA finals in 2016 without a super team. You are either ignoring this obvious fact for the sake of your agenda, are a troll, or are truly the dumbest mother ****er on the face of this earth. Which is it?

Third, LeBron's 2020 Finals stats: 29.8 PPG on 58.6% shooting, 11.8 RPG, 8.5 APG, 1.2 SPG

Anthony Davis's Finals stats: 25 PPG on 52% shooting, 10.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2 BPG, 1.3 SPG

It is pretty obvious who produced more here. LeBron and there's no argument against it.

So in other words, LeBron won two NBA Championships without a super team and was clear cut top producer. Again, stop with this idiotic narrative.

[SaintzFury13]

A super-team is 3 perennial all-stars - no Jordan team had that

96 Bulls had three first team all defense members and the sixth man of the year.

That's a super team.

[Pip' N Rodman]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

:eek:

R.I.P 3ball

[red1]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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rip 3ball


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[ShawkFactory]

He's made this thread for 7 consecutive years :lol

Seriously :lol

Truly makes you wonder about him.

[000]

Lebron didnt have 3 perennial allstars in 2020, when he dominated assists while sharing the other statistical categories

[StrongLurk]

OP is basically saying guys like Larry Bird, Magic, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. are in the same boat as Lebron.

"Perennial losers" who couldn't win without a superteam or as the dominant scorer...and yes OP is actually serious. Nevermind the massive amount of context he is ignoring...he is hundred percent serious.

Thread cliffs: OP is addicted to internet forums because he knows he'd eventually get knocked out if he kept talking bball like this with people in real life.

[dreamshake]

Lebron didnt have 3 perennial allstars in 2020, when he dominated assists while sharing the other statistical categories

LeBron had 5 all stars that year

Davis
LeBron
Howard
Cousins
Rondo

[MadDog]

We don't. LeBron has ALWAYS needed the best help, and that's just to make a competitive finals run. How he squandered that in 2011 is beyond me. But, knowing how obsessed LeBron is with the narrative, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he flatout quit. :oldlol: Watching Wade ballout and be the clear-cut BEST player in that finals might've been too much. Miami was mercenary work, but I give LeBron credit for at least winning in 2013, especially with that bounceback game 7.

All in all though we don't know how his career pans out otherwise. If he stayed in Cleveland, LeBron might've been another Dominque Wilkins. I think Cleveland would have eventually signed a star though. and LeBron would've had at least a ring or two. Which puts him in that Jerry West category.

[000]

LeBron had 5 all stars that year

Davis
LeBron
Howard
Cousins
Rondo

No
They were washed besides Davis & Cousins didnt even play wtf

[ELITEpower23]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

Bodybagged

[sdot_thadon]

How do we know 3ball can troll without lebron as the clear-cut top subject matter??
He never did it in 2 decades, while guys like Euroleague, Theo, joker etc did.

3ball's suboptimal brand of posting (lerbon-dominance) needs extra supoort to win (needs other trolls)

[000]

How do we know 3ball can troll without lebron as the clear-cut top subject matter??
He never did it in 2 decades, while guys like Euroleague, Theo, joker etc did.

3ball's suboptimal brand of posting (lerbon-dominance) needs extra supoort to win (needs other trolls)

:eek:
:D

[MrFonzworth]

How do we know 3ball can troll without lebron as the clear-cut top subject matter??
He never did it in 2 decades, while guys like Euroleague, Theo, joker etc did.

3ball's suboptimal brand of posting (lerbon-dominance) needs extra supoort to win (needs other trolls)

:applause:

[3ba11]

OP is basically saying guys like Larry Bird, Magic, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. are in the same boat as Lebron.





Organic teams develop favorite status over many years, while super-teams get instant favorite status in Year 1 (easiest path possible)

So rings without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer (mj, giannis, wade, kobe, duncan, dirk) are superior to super-team rings (magic, bird, lebron, kd)...

And obviously, rings won without being the top producer mean less as well.






"Perennial losers" who couldn't win without a superteam or as the dominant scorer...





I'm still trying to find the time when Lebron won without 2 perennial all-star teammates (no super-team) as the clear-cut top producer

I can't find it

Instead, all I find is evidence that he needs extra talent (super-team) to offset his suboptimal brand/skillset (a taller John Wall)

[000]

Organic teams develop favorite status over many years, while super-teams get instant favorite status in Year 1 (easiest path possible)

So rings without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer (mj, giannis, wade, kobe, duncan, dirk) are superior to super-team rings (magic, bird, lebron, kd)...

And obviously, rings won without being the top producer mean less as well.






I'm still trying to find the time when Lebron won without 2 perennial all-star teammates (no super-team) as the clear-cut top producer

I can't find it

Instead, all I find is evidence that he needs extra talent (super-team) to offset his suboptimal brand/skillset (a taller John Wall)

Lebron didnt have 2 perennial allstar teammates in 2020, when he dominated assists while sharing the other statistical categories

[3ba11]

Lebron didnt have 2 perennial allstar teammates in 2020, when he dominated assists while sharing the other statistical categories


AD led the Lakers in most categories for most of the year (PPG, PER, WS/48, efficiency, etc) - regular season and playoffs - so Lebron wasn't the clear-cut producer - lebron has infact NEVER won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer.

[000]

AD led the Lakers in most categories for most of the year (PPG, PER, WS/48, efficiency, etc) - regular season and playoffs - so Lebron wasn't the clear-cut producer - lebron has infact NEVER won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer.

No, they shared those but Lebron dominated assists several times over, so Lebron carried him to a title

Edit: especially in the playoffs

[3ba11]

No, they shared those but Lebron dominated assists several times over, so Lebron carried him to a title

Edit: especially in the playoffs


Scoring is the primary category... Assists are a role player category, otherwise Draymond carried Curry and KD to a ring

Maybe I could agree with you if Lebron led in the summary stat categories like PER or WS/48... But he doesn't.

[SaintzFury13]

Scoring is the primary category... Assists are a role player category, otherwise Draymond carried Curry and KD to a ring

Maybe I could agree with you if Lebron led in the summary stat categories like PER or WS/48... But he doesn't.

And yet LeBron led in scoring in the Finals...so your argument falls flat on its face.

[Axe]

No, they shared those but Lebron dominated assists several times over, so Lebron carried him to a title

Edit: especially in the playoffs
Last time i checked you were trashing kong. Now you're rooting for him now all of a sudden? How fake, three eggs. :ohwell:

[StrongLurk]

OP is basically saying guys like Larry Bird, Magic, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. are in the same boat as Lebron.

"Perennial losers" who couldn't win without a superteam or as the dominant scorer...and yes OP is actually serious. Nevermind the massive amount of context he is ignoring...he is hundred percent serious.

Might as well throw out Hakeem's rings since he won without MJ being in the league in 94 and being rusty in 95.

Magic doesn't have a single ring as the leading scorer and was always on superteams for those rings...so he might not even be top 20 all time.

Thread cliffs: OP is addicted to internet forums because he knows he'd eventually get knocked out if he kept talking bball like this with people in real life.

[Axe]

OP is basically saying guys like Larry Bird, Magic, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. are in the same boat as Lebron.

"Perennial losers" who couldn't win without a superteam or as the dominant scorer...and yes OP is actually serious. Nevermind the massive amount of context he is ignoring...he is hundred percent serious.

Might as well throw out Hakeem's rings since he won without MJ being in the league in 94 and being rusty in 95.

Thread cliffs: OP is addicted to internet forums because he knows he'd eventually get knocked out if he kept talking bball like this with people in real life.
:roll:

[000]

Scoring is the primary category... Assists are a role player category, otherwise Draymond carried Curry and KD to a ring

Maybe I could agree with you if Lebron led in the summary stat categories like PER or WS/48... But he doesn't.

No because they dominated him in scoring, and curry shared the assists with him

[2much_knowledge]

We might never know. All we know is he can get to 2nd place lol

[Mauzah]

How pathetic Lefraud couldn't put together a superteam with all the colluding he's done. The star power/role player help was there to do so it's just Bron doesn't have the basketball fundamentals to organize such a feat on the hardwood.

It's like having a car manufacture with the top talent in the industry and you have the best auto parts at your fingertips - enough to make a McLaren and all you can muster is a Honda Civic. Who's to blame for this calamity? The conductor of course. The self anointed king who already has the excuse in his back pocket that it's everyone else's fault and you dumbasses fall for it every... single... time... :roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

https://i.postimg.cc/zG70XBYz/FB_IMG_1568775908493.jpg


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https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg


you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

https://media.giphy.com/media/VvUjTFPfj8V2rIEvQt/giphy.gif

[FireDavidKahn]

I'm still trying to find the time when Lebron won the title without 2 perennial all-star teammates (no super-team) as the clear-cut top producer

Can't find it

Instead, all I find is evidence that he needs extra talent (super-team) to offset his suboptimal brand/skillset (a taller John Wall)

2015-2016

[000]

2015-2016

2020 too

[3ba11]

2015-2016


Kyrie and Love were perennial all-stars... Kyrie was also equal-scoring partner on that run, but that's neither here nor there - the point is that Kyrie/Love were perennial all-stars and that was a super-team

In 2020, AD was arguably the top producer

So Lebron never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer

[8Ball]

For reference purposes:

"Organic"


adjective
noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms:
organic remains found in rocks.
of or relating to an organ or the organs of an animal, plant, or fungus.
of, relating to, or affecting living tissue:
organic pathology.
Psychology. caused by neurochemical, neuroendocrinologic, structural, or other physical impairment or change: organic disorder.Compare functional (def. 5).


The word organic has ZERO basketball applications. It has as much application as the word "purple". Jordan's teams were more "purple". Makes no sense.

[8Ball]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

https://i.postimg.cc/zG70XBYz/FB_IMG_1568775908493.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/x1cTdhmh/a5d4541372794317.png



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you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

Glutton for punishment.

The more he posts, the more we get these kinds of posts to remind the general public.

[3ba11]

bump

[RRR3]

bump
Shut up snivelball.

[3ba11]

Shut up snivelball.


today's society is so dumb that they think 2/4 with Wade/Bosh including the goat choke is the best we've ever seen... 2/4 including 2011 = goat... according to you and your kind

[RRR3]

Shut up Snivelly.

[TheCorporation]

glutton for punishment arent ya?

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https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg


you 10000% have to be a bran fam trolling mike, i get it now.

bran was the true top producer 5 for 5, mike was only 1 for 5

bran is the top producer in reality, i get it now :cheers: good troll against mike

Buried his ass on the 1st post :lol Classic And1

[Axe]

How pathetic Lefraud couldn't put together a superteam with all the colluding he's done. The star power/role player help was there to do so it's just Bron doesn't have the basketball fundamentals to organize such a feat on the hardwood.

It's like having a car manufacture with the top talent in the industry and you have the best auto parts at your fingertips - enough to make a McLaren and all you can muster is a Honda Civic. Who's to blame for this calamity? The conductor of course. The self anointed king who already has the excuse in his back pocket that it's everyone else's fault and you dumbasses fall for it every... single... time... :roll:
:roll:

56 points against the warriors, my friend.