Which games was Michael Jordan outplayed by an opposing player?

[72-10]

*Bulls games, that is

6'7" Reggie Miller: at the most 7
6'1" Isiah Thomas: at least 3
5'10" Damon Stoudamire: at least 1
6'9" Bird: probably 3 or something

who else you got? post vids of the individual games if you want

[ImKobe]

What about an entire Playoff series?

[Number34]

There was the one game where his old teammate outplayed him in the playoffs, but he came back the next game and kicked ass. Might've been BJ Armstrong?

[ShawkFactory]

What about an entire Playoff series?

You could definitely argue Bird in 87

[And1AllDay]

1985 terry cummings

mike never was leading scorer for all 4 games and got swept


nothing lower then swept by an unranked player

[8Ball]

Terry cummings
Larry bird 86
Larry bird 87
Isiah thomas 3 years in a row
Shaq 1995

[And1AllDay]

Terry cummings
Larry bird 86
Larry bird 87
Isiah thomas 3 years in a row
Shaq 1995

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:lebronamazed:

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

:lebronamazed:


wraaaaaaaaap

:dancin:banana:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Terry cummings
Larry bird 86
Larry bird 87
Isiah thomas 3 years in a row
Shaq 1995

Sheeeeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!


:lebronamazed:





Jordan ain't top 10 folks!!!

[tontoz]

Dumars really gave him a hard time in the 1990 ECF. He is the only guy i ever saw who gave Jordan a hard time going head to head. Most of these other guys listed didn't have to guard Jordan.

Can't really say Dumars completely outplayed him but he did score 20 ppg (leading scorer on the Pistons) shooting 50% from the field for the series while being guarded by Jordan and defending Jordan on the other end.

[3ba11]

Dumars really gave him a hard time in the 1990 ECF. He is the only guy i ever saw who gave Jordan a hard time going head to head. Most of these other guys listed didn't have to guard Jordan.

Can't really say Dumars completely outplayed him but he did score 20 ppg (leading scorer on the Pistons) shooting 50% from the field for the series while being guarded by Jordan and defending Jordan on the other end.


Dumars averaged 20..

what were mj's numbers

[000]

Better Question is, which games wasnt Michael Jordan outplayed by an opposing player?

[tontoz]

Dumars averaged 20..

what were mj's numbers

MJ averaged 32, not quite as efficient as Dumars. It's MJ. He is going to get his points all you can do is make it tough on him and limit his efficiency.

[3ba11]

MJ averaged 32, not quite as efficient as Dumars. It's MJ. He is going to get his points all you can do is make it tough on him and limit his efficiency.


1990 ECF


Jordan'..... 32.1.. 7.1.. 6.3.. 46.7 fg... 56.6 ts.. 117 ortg
Dumars.... 20.0.. 2.0.. 3.6.. 50.0 fg... 57.8 ts.. 113 ortg


on what planet did dumars outplay jordan?

jordan had better efficiency per possession, so he had better efficiency because shooting efficiency falls under the umbrella of per possession efficiency

[tontoz]

1990 ECF


Jordan'..... 32.1.. 7.1.. 6.3.. 46.7 fg... 56.6 ts.. 117 ortg
Dumars.... 20.0.. 2.0.. 3.6.. 50.0 fg... 57.8 ts.. 113 ortg


on what planet did dumars outplay jordan?

jordan had better efficiency per possession, so he had better efficiency because shooting efficiency falls under the umbrella of per possession efficiency


Can you even read? I specifically said i can't say Dumars outplayed MJ but said he gave MJ a hard time on both ends. That was probably the best series i can remember from someone going head to head with MJ.

RIF

Dumars only averaged 17.8 ppg in the regular season then drops 20 on MJ who was an elite defender. He stepped up to the challenge.

[Xiao Yao You]

Darrell Griffith had some great shoot outs with him

[3ba11]

Can you even read? I specifically said i can't say Dumars outplayed MJ but said he gave MJ a hard time on both ends. That was probably the best series i can remember from someone going head to head with MJ.

RIF

Dumars only averaged 17.8 ppg in the regular season then drops 20 on MJ who was an elite defender. He stepped up to the challenge.


Jordan drastically outplayed him - so you shouldn't have even brought up the topic - it isn't some debateable thing - Jordan drastically outplayed Dumars in that series.

[tontoz]

Jordan drastically outplayed him - so you shouldn't have even brought up the topic - it isn't some debateable thing - Jordan drastically outplayed Dumars in that series.


Game 1 Dumars had 27 shooting 57% in MJ's grill. MJ scored 34 on 44% shooting. Detroit wins. I will say Dumars outplayed him in that game.

Game 2 Dumars scored 31 shooting 63%. MJ scored 20 shooting 31% from the field. Detroit wins again. Dumars punk'd him that game.

Detroit is now up 2-0 with Dumars outplaying MJ the first two games. That left the Bulls needing to win 4 of 5 to win the series against a team they had never beaten in a series.

Without Dumars giving MJ the business in the first 2 games the Bulls surely would have won that series.

[3ba11]

Game 1 Dumars had 27 shooting 57% in MJ's grill. MJ scored 34 on 44% shooting. Detroit wins. I will say Dumars outplayed him in that game.

Game 2 Dumars scored 31 shooting 63%. MJ scored 20 shooting 31% from the field. Detroit wins again. Dumars punk'd him that game.

Detroit is now up 2-0 with Dumars outplaying MJ the first two games. That left the Bulls needing to win 4 of 5 to win the series against a team they had never beaten in a series.

Without Dumars giving MJ the business in the first 2 games the Bulls surely would have won that series.


Jordan tied up the series at 3-3 by completely dominating Dumars.

Then Pippen had one of his historic chokes, while Jordan dominated Dumars again

So you're wrong and a fool for even attempting to make the case... What's next - the sky is pink now?... tell me more

[tontoz]

Jordan tied up the series at 3-3 by completely dominating Dumars.

Then Pippen had one of his historic chokes, while Jordan dominated Dumars again

So you're wrong and a fool for even attempting to make the case... What's next - the sky is pink now?... tell me more


There is no question that Dumars outplayed Jordan in the first two games, making the Bulls a longshot to win the series. Fact.

I never claimed Dumars outplayed him for the series.

[3ba11]

There is no question that Dumars outplayed Jordan in the first two games, making the Bulls a longshot to win the series. Fact.

I never claimed Dumars outplayed him for the series.


Jordan overcame the longshot by dominating Dumars in that series... Only Pippen's historic choke caused loss for the 2nd year in a row

Maybe you aren't aware, but Phil Jackson lost in 1990 for the same reason Doug Collins lost in 1989 - Pippen basically quit when the series got tied - Pippen quit when the series was tied 2-2 in 1989 - that's the only reason the Bulls lost both years... Look it up.. Pippen averaged 9 on 40% in the 89' ECF and quit once the series was tied 2-2

[tontoz]

Jordan overcame the longshot by dominating Dumars in that series... Only Pippen's historic choke caused loss for the 2nd year in a row

Maybe you aren't aware, but Phil Jackson lost in 1990 for the same reason Doug Collins lost in 1989 - Pippen basically quit when the series got tied - Pippen quit when the series was tied 2-2 in 1989 - that's the only reason the Bulls lost both years... Look it up.. Pippen averaged 9 on 40% in the 89' ECF and quit once the series was tied 2-2


The Bulls shot 31% in game 7. It wasn't just Pippen. The team was worn out playing 7 games against Detroit. If they had won one of the first two games they wouldn't have played a game 7.

One of the reasons Dumars' average wasn't that high is because he only scored 7 in game 7, which Detroit won by 19. He didn't need to score. Jordan outscored him by 24 that game which looks good on paper but in reality didn't mean squat. Not to mention that MJ played 45 minutes that game compared to 33 for Dumars.

Dumars outplaying MJ the first two games had a decisive impact on the series. Jordan outscoring Dumars by 24 in game 7 didn't mean anything.

[tontoz]

If MJ had outplayed Dumars in games 1 and 2 then the series would have been over quickly. He didn't and they lost.

But congrats to MJ for outscoring Dumars 31-7 in a blowout game 7 loss. :bowdown:

Horace Grant was 3-17 in game 7. Hodges was 3-13, Cartwright 3-9, BJ 1-8. Even if Pippen shoots 50% the Bulls had no chance in that game. Detroit wore them out which wouldn't have happened if they split the first two games.

[3ba11]

If MJ had outplayed Dumars in games 1 and 2 then the series would have been over quickly. He didn't and they lost.

But congrats to MJ for outscoring Dumars 31-7 in a blowout game 7 loss. :bowdown:

Horace Grant was 3-17 in game 7. Hodges was 3-13, Cartwright 3-9, BJ 1-8. Even if Pippen shoots 50% the Bulls had no chance in that game. Detroit wore them out which wouldn't have happened if they split the first two games.


MJ didn't play poorly in Game 7 - only Pippen did, so Pippen brought everyone down.

But the role players don't matter - they always played badly - MJ and Pippen were the only viable producers on that team.. Once Detroit took Pippen out, the diversity of the Bulls' attack was gone and Lebron-ball has never won against championship comp (1 guy creating for 4 other guys).

So again, Jordan dominated Dumars to get a 3-3 series, and then Pippen caused loss, just like 89' when the series was tied.

[3ba11]

tontoz, I'll give you credit for winning this battle... just the balls to say Dumars outplayed Jordan and then actually provide some proof so that it isn't a ridiculous troll like say 8ball or And1AllDay's useless posts... kudos... you win this one via effort and resourcefulness. 8ball can learn from you... I had a big advantage but you found a way to mitigate it, a little bit

[tontoz]

tontoz, I'll give you credit for winning this battle... just the balls to say Dumars outplayed Jordan and then actually provide some proof so that it isn't a ridiculous troll like say 8ball or And1AllDay's useless posts... kudos... you win this one via effort and resourcefulness. I had a big advantage but you found a way to mitigate it, somewhat


LOL thanks i was going from memory. I remembered Dumars giving MJ the business at times but didn't remember the specifics. Had to look up the details after you pushed back.

[DoctorP]

Dominique Wilkins beat up on Jordans skinny ass a couple of times

[3ba11]

LOL thanks i was going from memory. I remembered Dumars giving MJ the business at times but didn't remember the specifics. Had to look up the details after you pushed back.


Yeah, he still never outplayed Jordan.. Jordan significantly outplayed Dumars in that series... but good effort to not look like And1AllDay.. that was your victory.

[tontoz]

Yeah, he still never outplayed Jordan.. Jordan significantly outplayed Dumars in that series... but good effort to not look like And1AllDay.. that was your victory.


I never said Dumars outplayed MJ for the series.



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[3ba11]

I never said Dumars outplayed MJ for the series.



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you said Dumars outplayed Jordan but not "completely"... reading is fundamental

[tontoz]

you said Dumars outplayed Jordan but not "completely"... reading is fundamental

No I didn't. Show me the quote.

[72-10]

That's right I forgot Dumars outplayed Michael at least a couple of times, not always Isiah that got his number. And the inimitable 6'1" Isiah probably outplayed him three times in the playoffs alone, not accounting for the regular season where there's probably one, and they're all in Michael's peak years. Matter of fact I've noticed that Michael didn't crack 30 in more than half of the greatest playoff games he took part in.

Chuck Person outplayed him on January 19, 1987, in fact there might have been four players who outplayed him that night when he had the green light as they got their asses handed to them by a middling Pacers squad.

[ShawkFactory]

Just looking at 1987, looks like Bird outplayed Jordan in 7 of the 9 games they played against each other.

Celtics were 9-0.

[Manny98]

Terry cummings
Larry bird 86
Larry bird 87
Isiah thomas 3 years in a row
Shaq 1995
Jason Terry 2011

[000]

Jason Terry 2011
Yeah, he outplayed Jordan too

[72-10]

Kareem clubbed MJ pretty good in MJ's first game against the Lakers.... and then Michael was quite outclassed by Dr. J on March 19, 1986, the latter was a beast in that game.

[TheGoatest]

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[72-10]

Cliff Robinson shot the lights out five games into the historic '95-96 campaign at United Center, clearly taking the spotlight away from Michael.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCHzpX-c3gQ

:applause:

[dankok8]

Jordan actually spent most of the time in the battles against the Bad Boys defending Isiah. He occasionally defended Dumars or someone else but it was mostly Isiah. Plus I don't think Dumars outplayed Jordan in game 1 of the 1990 ECF. At least statistically no...

Dumars: 27/3/2 on 60.5 %TS with 1 steal and 1 turnover
Jordan: 34/7/5 on 55.7 %TS with 3 steals and 1 turnover

Of course Jordan had games where people outplayed him. Every player ever did. Still MJ was probably the most consistent playoff performer of all time.