Disney & Walmart: "Get vaxed or GTFO"

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/business/walmart-mask-policy-delta-covid/index.html


Disney and Walmart, two of America's largest employers, announced Friday that they are requiring employees be vaccinated.


thoughts?

[JohnnySic]

I'd quit.

[diamenz]

diamenz doesn't approve.

[Lakers Legend#32]

No Trumpers Allowed.

[Cleverness]

Union employees are exempt for now.


No Blacks Allowed.

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-4.png

Why aren't they getting the Trump Vaccine?

[FultzNationRISE]

Union employees are exempt for now.



https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-4.png

Why aren't they getting the Trump Vaccine?


I doubt if Lakers Legend's response algorithm is equipped to address this point.

[Shogon]

I doubt if Lakers Legend's response algorithm is equipped to address this point.

:roll:

[AKA_AAP]

Union employees are exempt for now.



https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-4.png

Why aren't they getting the Trump Vaccine?

He's waiting for MSNBC to tell him what to say.

[Axe]

@Manny go get your shots already buddy

[Lakers Legend#32]

Ron Deathsantis gets the endorsement of the Delta Variant.

[RRR3]

Same people who always claim businesses have so many rights sobbing about this.

[Manny98]

@Manny go get your shots already buddy
F*ck you :oldlol:

[Axe]

F*ck you :oldlol:
I dare you, you uncultured pest! :mad:

[And1AllDay]

I doubt if Lakers Legend's response algorithm is equipped to address this point.

:oldlol::roll:

[BigKobeFan]

Union employees are exempt for now.



https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-4.png

Why aren't they getting the Trump Vaccine?

This racist aint coming back from this

[Mr. Woke]

Good.

Anti-vaxxers are pathetic subhuman scum.

[Norcaliblunt]

Thoughts?

The same ones all you so called conservatives have when it comes to private businesses. The company can do whatever the hell they want, and you don’t have to work for them.

[Cleverness]

Thoughts?

The same ones all you so called conservatives have when it comes to private businesses. The company can do whatever the hell they want, and you don’t have to work for them.


Same people who always claim businesses have so many rights sobbing about this.

True true

There are no private businesses. The only way they even exist is because of gov't.

[Gohan]

I agree with them the only reason i dont have the vaccine is because i work at home

[Axe]

I agree with them the only reason i dont have the vaccine is because i work at home
If you are part-saiyan, then it may not be necessary to take it.

[coin24]

I doubt if Lakers Legend's response algorithm is equipped to address this point.

:lol:lol

[fsvr54]

Won't shop at walmart anymore.

Always hated anything Disney anyways, they're all sorts of evil.

[Axe]

Won't shop at walmart anymore.

Always hated anything Disney anyways, they're all sorts of evil.
Lol.

[Mr. Woke]

Won't shop at walmart anymore.

Always hated anything Disney anyways, they're all sorts of evil.

Lol what a snowflake!

[imdaman99]

It's their right. What's so hard for people to realize about that? :lol

[Chick Stern]

Won't shop at walmart anymore.

Always hated anything Disney anyways, they're all sorts of evil.

Let it go!

[Dbrog]

What's interesting is now they are finding that these vaccines, at least Pfizer, only holds efficacy for 4 months before it starts dropping off. In 18 months it's only 50% effective..so how do they account for this?

[Rocket]

If my company decides to make these experimental vaccines mandatory I will fight them as long as I can and quit if I have to. I have a REALLY good 6 figure job but the money is not worth potentially ruining my health with experimental vaccines for a virus with very close to a 100% survival rate.

[TheMan]

Thoughts?

The same ones all you so called conservatives have when it comes to private businesses. The company can do whatever the hell they want, and you don’t have to work for them.

That there is the conundrum...

[JohnnySic]

If my company decides to make these experimental vaccines mandatory I will fight them as long as I can and quit if I have to. I have a REALLY good 6 figure job but the money is not worth potentially ruining my health with experimental vaccines for a virus with very close to a 100% survival rate.

I'm in the same boat as you. Great, high paying job I'd hate to lose. I doubt my employer will require it though. I mostly work from home so maybe that helps me.

[Axe]

What's interesting is now they are finding that these vaccines, at least Pfizer, only holds efficacy for 4 months before it starts dropping off. In 18 months it's only 50% effective..so how do they account for this?
Like what's said before, booster shots are going to be more common in the future. And hopefully, they would improve on their efficacies as well.

[theman93]

If my company decides to make these experimental vaccines mandatory I will fight them as long as I can and quit if I have to. I have a REALLY good 6 figure job but the money is not worth potentially ruining my health with experimental vaccines for a virus with very close to a 100% survival rate.

Don't quit. Make them fire you and then sue them in to oblivion.

[Dbrog]

Like what's said before, booster shots are going to be more common in the future. And hopefully, they would improve on their efficacies as well.

My point is, is the workplace going to have some sort of spreadsheet or something showing when everyone is due to their booster? Also with vaccine passports, are we gonna start having to show proof of vaccine/booster within the past 6 months? It becomes a pretty ****ed up way of violating HIPPA for all parties involved

[bobopenguin]

who's gonna take responsibility if some thing happened after vaccine, stroke, permanent disability, death etc
Disney? walmart? they gonna look after ur family for life?

that's right.

[baudkarma]

I'd quit.

It doesn't really matter. You'd be out of a job either way.

[diamenz]

if you're not listening to krystal & saagar, then what the hell are you doing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_3vINOxAQ

[JohnnySic]

It doesn't really matter. You'd be out of a job either way.

Correct, But if I'm working at Walmart, meh. I can find another shit job like that.

[Axe]

It doesn't really matter. You'd be out of a job either way.
They demand money if they are to take these vaccines.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Joe Biden got 160 million Americans faster than it took Donald Trump to kill 500,000.

[72-10]

F*ck you :oldlol:

Yes, this should help greatly.

[72-10]

To the original poster, I assumed you meant it was a message to the customers entering the store, then remembered how customer-friendly and helpful Walmart's business policies are compared to whatever stringent, stick-up-their-ass code they have at Starbucks.

[8Ball]

If my company decides to make these experimental vaccines mandatory I will fight them as long as I can and quit if I have to. I have a REALLY good 6 figure job but the money is not worth potentially ruining my health with experimental vaccines for a virus with very close to a 100% survival rate.

We're at 4.5B vaccinations and going on for 1 year now with needles in arms.

When does it stop being experimental?


Are you fat and overweight? If you are young, fat and overweight its a no brainer to take the vaccine vs taking your chances vs covid.

[baudkarma]

who's gonna take responsibility if some thing happened after vaccine, stroke, permanent disability, death etc
Disney? walmart? they gonna look after ur family for life?

that's right.

Same people who will take responsibility if you don't get the vaxx and something bad happens. Pretty much nobody. Hopefully you have life insurance. My question is why you seem to believe that there is a greater chance of serious health consequences if you get vaxxed than there are if you don't.

[PistonsFan#21]

Same people who will take responsibility if you don't get the vaxx and something bad happens. Pretty much nobody. Hopefully you have life insurance. My question is why you seem to believe that there is a greater chance of serious health consequences if you get vaxxed than there are if you don't.

There isn't a great chance of serious health consequences if you are young and healthy, no matter if you are vaxxed or not. Do you go for yearly flu shots? If not is it because you are scared of more serious health consequences from the flu shot than the flu itself?

[Rocket]

We're at 4.5B vaccinations and going on for 1 year now with needles in arms.

When does it stop being experimental?


Are you fat and overweight? If you are young, fat and overweight its a no brainer to take the vaccine vs taking your chances vs covid.

The first vaccine was given last December. We are in the following August. That does NOT equal 1 year. BTW, the guy who got the first vaccine just happened to die from what is labeled an "unrelated illness". That does not make me feel very warm and fuzzy about getting jabbed.

That being said when I refer to long term affects I am talking a few years down the road so we are nowhere near the time frame where I will label these experimental new technology vaccines safe. If you got one thanks for volunteering to be a long term affect test subject.

I am in my 50's. I am not fat. In fact I am in the best shape I have been in since my late 20's. I feel great and have a ton of energy now that I finally started living a healthy lifestyle 5 years ago.

[Cleverness]

What's the absolute risk reduction of being hospitalized (all cause) < 6 months of being vaccinated from Covid-19?

[Axe]

Biden was able to convince more people to take the vaccines, unlike trump.

[baudkarma]

There isn't a great chance of serious health consequences if you are young and healthy, no matter if you are vaxxed or not. Do you go for yearly flu shots? If not is it because you are scared of more serious health consequences from the flu shot than the flu itself?

Yes, I go for yearly flu shots. I am healthy, and I would consider myself selfish and irresponsible if I didn't get a flu vaccine and thus ran a greater risk of contracting the disease and then passing it on to others that I came in contact with.

There isn't a great chance of many of lifes potential unpleasantness happening, but most of us still take sensible precautions. We have smoke detectors in our residence, we wear seatbelts, we look both ways before crossing the street.

[baudkarma]

That being said when I refer to long term affects I am talking a few years down the road so we are nowhere near the time frame where I will label these experimental new technology vaccines safe. If you got one thanks for volunteering to be a long term affect test subject.


You're a test subject too. You're just in the control group.

[8Ball]

Just got the 2nd dose.

I feel stronger than ever. Going to the gym 5 days a week still. This is how I feel:

https://i0.wp.com/snotapwi.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Giannis-Mean-Mug-Pooped-Antetokounmpo-Indiana-Milwaukee-Bucks-e1620981362792.jpg?fit=544%2C453

Testosterone levels peaking.


The anti-vaxxers are being cucks right now.

[Axe]

Just got the 2nd dose.

I feel stronger than ever. Going to the gym 5 days a week still. This is how I feel:

https://i0.wp.com/snotapwi.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Giannis-Mean-Mug-Pooped-Antetokounmpo-Indiana-Milwaukee-Bucks-e1620981362792.jpg?fit=544%2C453

Testosterone levels peaking.


The anti-vaxxers are being cucks right now.
:cheers:

[JohnnySic]

Watch this before it gets scrubbed:



https://youtu.be/Esf2JLSbieA

TKO. East shit, vaxxers.

[diamenz]

Watch this before it gets scrubbed:



https://youtu.be/Esf2JLSbieA

TKO. East shit, vaxxers.

7 minutes, fuc* that. what's the takeaway?

[JohnnySic]

7 minutes, fuc* that. what's the takeaway?

That masks and vaccines are useless against this type of virus.

[theman93]

Watch this before it gets scrubbed:



https://youtu.be/Esf2JLSbieA

TKO. East shit, vaxxers.

Can also watch at the link below when it does get scrubbed.

https://tv.gab.com/channel/standonprinciples/view/dr-destroys-the-entire-covid-narrative-611132777b022aa59dd65777

[Lakers Legend#32]

Don't forget that mask "debate" started with Trump not wanting to mess up his makeup.
It has nothing to do with "freedom" or science, but the dotard's narcissism.
This is the person MAGATs consider to be a manly man.

[diamenz]

That masks and vaccines are useless against this type of virus.

that's possible... speaking strictly in terms of young, healthy people. in regards to the elderly and people with underlying conditions as well?

[JohnnySic]

Doctor from Indiana singlehandedly obliterates the entire covid narrative. Democrats and vaxxers seething.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60751358.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

Watch this before it gets scrubbed:


https://youtu.be/Esf2JLSbieA

TKO. East shit, vaxxers.



Anybody else care to chime in?

[theman93]

What's the absolute risk reduction of being hospitalized (all cause) < 6 months of being vaccinated from Covid-19?


The mRNA vaccine from Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech (22UAy.DE) may be less effective than Moderna's against the Delta variant of the coronavirus, according to two reports posted on medRxiv on Sunday ahead of peer review. In a study of more than 50,000 patients in the Mayo Clinic Health System, researchers found the effectiveness of Moderna's vaccine against infection had dropped to 76% in July - when the Delta variant was predominant - from 86% in early 2021. Over the same period, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine had fallen to 42% from 76%, researchers said. While both vaccines remain effective at preventing COVID hospitalization, a Moderna booster shot may be necessary soon for anyone who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines earlier this year, said Dr. Venky Soundararajan of Massachusetts data analytics company nference, who led the Mayo study. While both vaccines remain effective at preventing COVID hospitalization, a Moderna booster shot may be necessary soon for anyone who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines earlier this year, said Dr. Venky Soundararajan of Massachusetts data analytics company nference, who led the Mayo study.

In a separate study, elderly nursing home residents in Ontario produced stronger immune responses - especially to worrisome variants - after the Moderna vaccine than after the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. The elderly may need higher vaccine doses, boosters, and other preventative measures, said Anne-Claude Gingras of the Lunenfeld-Tanenbaum Research Institute in Toronto, who led the Canadian study. When asked to comment on both research reports, a Pfizer spokesperson said, "We continue to believe... a third dose booster may be needed within 6 to 12 months after full vaccination to maintain the highest levels of protection."

Breakthrough COVID-19 more likely months after vaccination

People who received their second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine five or more months ago are more likely to test positive for COVID-19 than people who were fully vaccinated less than five months ago, new data suggest. Researchers studied nearly 34,000 fully vaccinated adults in Israel who were tested to see if they had a breakthrough case of COVID-19. Overall, 1.8% tested positive. At all ages, the odds of testing positive were higher when the last vaccine dose was received at least 146 days earlier, the research team reported Thursday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. Among patients older than 60, the odds of a positive test were almost three times higher when at least 146 days had passed since the second dose. Most of the new infections were observed recently, said coauthor Dr. Eugene Merzon of Leumit Health Services in Israel. "Very few patients had required hospitalization, and it is too early to assess the severity of these new infections in terms of hospital admission, need for mechanical ventilation or mortality," he added. "We are planning to continue our research."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

So a 86% to 76% drop in effectiveness over ~6 months for Moderna, and a 76% to 42% drop in effectiveness over ~6 months for Pfizer. Both are effective in preventing hospitalizions so far, but who knows for how long since as time goes on the less effective they become.

[baudkarma]

Anybody else care to chime in?

Sure. The guy lies in his opening statement, which pretty much makes everything he says after that questionable at best.

"I'm actually a functional family medicine physician. That means I am specially trained in immunology and inflammation regulation."

No, it doesn't. Go ahead and look up "functional family medicine" on your search engine of choice. Read what that entails. Do you see any mention of special training in immunology? No? You mean the guy is just a regular family medicine MD? Now, it's possible that he does have some sort of advanced training in epidemiology or a related specialty, but then he would have led off his speech with those credentials instead of stating he's a functional family medicine physician, which isn't even a recognized specialty by the AMA.

So essentially we have a family medicine practitioner who's wearing jeans and suspenders, goes up in front of the school board, and tells them that everything the CDC and all the other health authorities is complete BS. He's saying don't trust all those other doctors who have spent their entire lives studying viruses, vaccines, and epidemics, because they're lazy liers. Trust me, because I wear suspenders and am about to give a really good 7 minute speech.

And oh my god. The anti-vaxxers are going bukkake on this guy. "Epic Video!" "Must Watch" "Must See" "Completely Destroys". Seriously, go to (once again) your search engine of choice and type in the guys name and pretty much every conservative/anti-vaxx website is fawning over him. Not even a hint of a doubt or skepticism. No fact checking. He said what we want to hear, so let's just believe everything he said.

[theman93]

Sure. The guy lies in his opening statement, which pretty much makes everything he says after that questionable at best.

"I'm actually a functional family medicine physician. That means I am specially trained in immunology and inflammation regulation."

No, it doesn't. Go ahead and look up "functional family medicine" on your search engine of choice. Read what that entails. Do you see any mention of special training in immunology? No? You mean the guy is just a regular family medicine MD? Now, it's possible that he does have some sort of advanced training in epidemiology or a related specialty, but then he would have led off his speech with those credentials instead of stating he's a functional family medicine physician, which isn't even a recognized specialty by the AMA.

So essentially we have a family medicine practitioner who's wearing jeans and suspenders, goes up in front of the school board, and tells them that everything the CDC and all the other health authorities is complete BS. He's saying don't trust all those other doctors who have spent their entire lives studying viruses, vaccines, and epidemics, because they're lazy liers. Trust me, because I wear suspenders and am about to give a really good 7 minute speech.

And oh my god. The anti-vaxxers are going bukkake on this guy. "Epic Video!" "Must Watch" "Must See" "Completely Destroys". Seriously, go to (once again) your search engine of choice and type in the guys name and pretty much every conservative/anti-vaxx website is fawning over him. Not even a hint of a doubt or skepticism. No fact checking. He said what we want to hear, so let's just believe everything he said.

"Trust me, because I did a 30 second google search I know his credentials better than he does."

[Cleverness]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

So a 86% to 76% drop in effectiveness over ~6 months for Moderna, and a 76% to 42% drop in effectiveness over ~6 months for Pfizer. Both are effective in preventing hospitalizions so far, but who knows for how long since as time goes on the less effective they become.

Thanks. I should have worded it differently:

What's the absolute risk reduction of being hospitalized (all cause) < 6 months of receiving a Covid-19 vaccine? It's gotta be really tiny. Like <1% in adults 18-50.

RE the video

My main takeaway was he assumes the goal is to eradicate the virus (like smallpox), but the gov't actually no clear achievable goal of objective at all. Then most of his speech stems from his own assumptions of what the gov't is trying to do... again, the problem is the gov't isn't clear what it's trying to do, and probably because there's hardly anything they can do, but they feel they "gotta do somethin'" because too many PABs out there like scuzzy, ItsMillerTime, bladefd, Facepalm, etc, beg gov't to make them feel safe. The gov't is just doing what the brainwashed masses want.

And he's correct that these vaccines will not eradicate the virus. BUT I think he's up against some pretty strong data that indicates the vaccine is effective at preventing hospitalization/death with Covid-19. But, as we've gone over before (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death&p=14410653&viewfull=1#post14410653), we don't have any RCTs that show any of the vaccines reduce overall risk of death/hospitalization. :/

He's correct that Trump's Team's pseudoscience (travel bans, masks, school closures, business restrictions, etc) have not prevented any known amount of infections so far. Hell, you can't even find an estimation of infections prevented by those NPIs to date. Unfortunately 95% of Democrats/brainwashed are huge fans of Trump's guidelines, but I digress. Again - no clear achievable goal of the NPIs used in 2020 or 2021.


that's possible... speaking strictly in terms of young, healthy people. in regards to the elderly and people with underlying conditions as well?

Here's what the CDC says about vaccines in young, healthy people:


Per the CDC and their COVID-19 Vaccine safety updates (link (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WYhcFkA3Fz8J:https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us))

for every 1,000,000 Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-17 year olds, 200 hospitalizations & 1 death from Covid-19 would be prevented.

for every 1,000,000 Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-15 year olds & 16-25 year olds, 3000 events in which medical care in ER/hospital would occur from vaccination.

It's really too bad we have no large clinical trail for the elderly. The large RCT done by Pfizer showed no overall risk of death/hospitalization (unfortunately more people died in the vaccine group than the control group). But I still think the vaccine is overall helpful to the majority of the population, especially the elderly, and will result in less death overall (albeit a small amount of overall life saved), even though I admittingly have no RCT to back up my opinion.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death

[bladefd]

Sure. The guy lies in his opening statement, which pretty much makes everything he says after that questionable at best.

"I'm actually a functional family medicine physician. That means I am specially trained in immunology and inflammation regulation."

No, it doesn't. Go ahead and look up "functional family medicine" on your search engine of choice. Read what that entails. Do you see any mention of special training in immunology? No? You mean the guy is just a regular family medicine MD? Now, it's possible that he does have some sort of advanced training in epidemiology or a related specialty, but then he would have led off his speech with those credentials instead of stating he's a functional family medicine physician, which isn't even a recognized specialty by the AMA.

So essentially we have a family medicine practitioner who's wearing jeans and suspenders, goes up in front of the school board, and tells them that everything the CDC and all the other health authorities is complete BS. He's saying don't trust all those other doctors who have spent their entire lives studying viruses, vaccines, and epidemics, because they're lazy liers. Trust me, because I wear suspenders and am about to give a really good 7 minute speech.

And oh my god. The anti-vaxxers are going bukkake on this guy. "Epic Video!" "Must Watch" "Must See" "Completely Destroys". Seriously, go to (once again) your search engine of choice and type in the guys name and pretty much every conservative/anti-vaxx website is fawning over him. Not even a hint of a doubt or skepticism. No fact checking. He said what we want to hear, so let's just believe everything he said.

In my experience, family practitioners don't know much beyond general medical issues and treatments. They will typically not advise you on specific issues and direct you to a specialist they have worked with and know well. That is the proper process and practice. That guy has no business telling anyone to not get vaccinated. That doctor most likely had a course & lectures on epidemiology but one semester is not enough to become an expert in that subfield. He has enough expertise to ask questions concerning epidemiology but not enough expertise to advise people to not get vaccinated.

[Cleverness]

That guy has no business telling anyone to not get vaccinated. but not enough expertise to advise people to not get vaccinated.

Anyone?

He understands evidence-based medicine. He cites some reputable studies regarding Covid vaccines in his speech. Is there any clinical evidence regarding vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19? How about recovered Covid-19 pts vs vaccinated pts?

[ZenMaster]

https://i.redd.it/ys8rlkeupdg71.jpg

[baudkarma]

"Trust me, because I did a 30 second google search I know his credentials better than he does."

I didn't say "trust me". I said "question him". Which it seems very few people are willing to put in the time or the effort to do.

[theman93]

I didn't say "trust me". I said "question him". Which it seems very few people are willing to put in the time or the effort to do.

Likewise, he didn't say "trust me" either like you attributed to him. He said multiple times, "ask yourself why [x]", and to refer to the studies included on the flash drive.

See the hypocrisy?