mike gambles during 93' ecf and crumbles. pippen saves the day. what a fraud

[And1AllDay]

mike would not survive the tough modern era like bran has done it gracefully


mike was caught gambling when down 0-1 right in the middle of the 93' ecf like a loser

proof

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2LyMXQF/baldan-gambling-addict.png

link

https://www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordans-infamous-trip-atlantic-city-playoff-game/



to make matters worse after the gambling loser lost again the bulls were down 0-2 in the series and in gm 3 mikey mouse shot 16% and gave up again but mikey was blessed again and saved by tree trunk pippen who again carried mikey as pip led all scorers to win gm 3 for chicago and avoid down 0-3

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png

i just post the facts and if they hurt im sorry but mike was weak mentally and could not handle pressure of modern ball issa fact.

[3ba11]

.
SOURCED QUOTES ABOUT PIPPEN:


BILL LAIMBEER:

"We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordanaires. And you can't win championships like that, with only one player."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-jordan-rules-what-the-last-dance-documentary-doesnt-say-about-pistons-defense-against-michael-jordan/amp/


SHAQ TALKING ABOUT PIPPEN:

"I don't let bums disrespect me... Don't make me pull up the scouting report. You wasn't even a factor on the scouting report. It was all about Mike."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html

"You did okay, but MJ did most of the work... yes the great Michael Jordan got you 6 rings , but you will always be remembered as MR 2nd FIDDLE... See what happens when Michael Jordan ain't protecting you, you lose a 17 pt lead in the fourth quarter." (referring to 2000 WCF Game 7)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nba-star-shaquille-oneal-slams-scotty-pippin-in-social-media-squabble/amp/


JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:

“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?... Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558


CHUCK DALY:

"It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s

"We knew how dangerous MJ was and we knew going into the playoffs that we had to do something special.. So we most definitely devised what we called "the Jordan Rules""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s


BILL LAIMBEER:

"The Jordan Rules were to just stop him, because no one else could beat you on that ballclub"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs&t=1m22s


PHIL JACKSON:

"Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not time YET"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=30m20s


HORACE GRANT:

"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


SCOTTIE PIPPEN:

"It was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell." (talking about Game 7 in 1990):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s


HERE'S ESPN POSTING A TELLING GRAPHIC ABOUT PIPPEN'S WORST-EVER SIDEKICK PERFORMANCE:

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg


COLIN COWHERD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=276s


HERE'S A LOCAL CHICAGO REPORTER REGRETTING THAT HE SPENT YEARS DEFENDING PIPPEN AFTER PIPPEN'S COMMENTS ON PHIL BEING RACIST:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9NOdvj1QY&t=50s


POPULAR YOUTUBER SAYING PIPPEN OFTEN COULDN'T SCORE OR THROW THE BALL IN THE OCEAN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzR2W1JGGQ&t=06m15s



Jordan had an established reputation for bummy casts and his carry-job identity is where terms like "supporting cast" and "jordannaires" literally originated - his entire reputation was carrying the Bulls..

So even if you're too young and weren't there, the quotes above sing the same song, along with the STATS, which always tell the story... i.e. if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency)..

Pippen had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting performances in playoff history for a winning sidekick (93', 96', 98'), while having the lowest BPM ever for a winning sidekick (93') and averaging 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.. So the bulls won the 93' and 96-98' titles IN SPITE of Potty Pippen (a common nickname in Chicago for Pippen).

[1987_Lakers]

3 of 18 shooting, yikes.

[And1AllDay]

3 of 18 shooting, yikes.

in a gm3 when down 0-2

pip saved his 1-9 ass again :oldlol:

[ClipperRevival]

MJ in that series:

32.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.5 SPG

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/13/PPHX/928db7ee-c06c-4c5a-8f6c-343e8f105254-Credit__Andrew_D._Bernstein___NBA_Photos_Caption__ PHOENIX_-_JUNE_20__Michael_Jordan_23_of_the_Chicago_Bulls_c elebrates_winning_the_NBA_Championship_after_Game_ Six_of_the_1993_NBA_Finals_on_June_20_1993_at_the_ America_West_Arena_in_Phoenix.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8e5451bf7d27f2ca7e573d86572bceac/tenor.gif?itemid=11605188

[And1AllDay]

MJ in that series:

32.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.5 SPG



Comments?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2LyMXQF/baldan-gambling-addict.png

mike was caught gambling when down 0-1 right in the middle of the 93' ecf like a loser

to make matters worse after the gambling loser lost again the bulls were down 0-2 in the series and in gm 3 mikey mouse shot 16% and gave up again but mikey was blessed again and saved by tree trunk pippen who again carried mikey as pip led all scorers to win gm 3 for chicago and avoid down 0-3

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png

i just post the facts and if they hurt im sorry but mike was weak mentally and could not handle pressure of modern ball issa fact

[3ba11]

The game was over after the 1st quarter, where Jordan had 10 points and 6 assists, while Pippen was wetting the bed with 4 points and 0 assists... Pippen only got garbage time points in that game and lived off the attention paid to MJ... :confusedshrug:... I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative OP

[1987_Lakers]

MJ in that series:

32.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.5 SPG



on 40 fg%, That's Isiah level of efficiency, '93 MJ vs Knicks...

game 1: 10 of 27 shooting
game 2: 12 of 32
game 3: 3 of 18
game 5: 11 of 24
game 6: 8 of 24

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen in a closeout game 6 outplayed MJ as well.

[And1AllDay]

Pippen in a closeout game 6 outplayed MJ as well.

100% all dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

and these mike kids say mike could win 4 in a row when the bro couldnt even win more then 2 without pippen

pip saved him numerous numerous times as we see here :cheers:

[bullettooth]

AndNoneAllDay acting as if his hero didnt do what he did in 2011.

[3ba11]

Pippen in a closeout game 6 outplayed MJ as well.


Pippen never outplayed Mike in a playoff game, while Wade, Kyrie or AD (and even Bosh) outplayed Lebron for entire series, or even playoff runs.

In the game OP specifies, the game was over after the 1st quarter, where Jordan had 10 points and 6 assists, while Pippen was wetting the bed with 4 points and 0 assists... Pippen only got garbage time points in that game and lived off the attention paid to MJ.

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen never outplayed Mike in a playoff game, while Wade, Kyrie or AD (and even Bosh) outplayed Lebron for entire series, or even playoff runs.

In the game OP specifies, the game was over after the 1st quarter, where Jordan had 10 points and 6 assists, while Pippen was wetting the bed with 4 points and 0 assists... Pippen only got garbage time points in that game and lived off the attention paid to MJ.

Bulls vs a Knicks in a game 6 for a chance to make the Finals...

Pippen: 24/6/7 on 9 of 18 shooting
MJ: 25/2/9 on 8 of 24 shooting

Outplayed by Pip. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Also forgot to add it was Pippen who hit the big shot in that game to put the game away...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t=5m4s

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

Bulls vs a Knicks in a game 6 for a chance to make the Finals...

Pippen: 24/6/7 on 9 of 18 shooting
MJ: 25/2/9 on 8 of 24 shooting

Outplayed by Pip. :oldlol:


Never

Pippen scored less, assisted less, 4 times the turnovers, less burden (usage), less BPM in that game, and nothing in the 4th (zero clutch)

It isn't close - Jordan carried the Bulls - that's why he's goat - he wouldn't be goat if he didn't..

[1987_Lakers]

Never

Pippen scored less, assisted less, 4 times the turnovers, less burden (usage), and nothing in the 4th

It isn't close - Jordan carried the Bulls - that's why he's goat - he wouldn't be goat if he didn't..

Also forgot to add it was Pippen who hit the big shot in that game to put the game away... (5 min mark)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t=5m4s

[3ba11]

Also forgot to add it was Pippen who hit the big shot in that game to put the game away...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t=5m4s


Pippen never hit a big shot. The game was over

Pippen scored less, assisted less, 4 times the turnovers, less burden (usage), less BPM in that game, and nothing in the 4th

It isn't close - Jordan carried the Bulls - that's why he's goat - he wouldn't be goat if he didn't..

[1987_Lakers]

MJ in that game 6 also had only 8 points in the 2nd half. Pippen had to do the carrying to closeout the game. Pippen had 16 in the 2nd half

[3ba11]

MJ in that game 6 also had only 8 points in the 2nd half. Pippen had to do the carrying to closeout the game.


Pippen did nothing in the 2nd half.. keep lying.. the stats tell the story

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen averages in games 5 and 6 when the series was tied 2-2

26|9|4 on 51 fg%

Big game Pippen. :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen did nothing in the 2nd half.. keep lying.. the stats tell the story

He had 16 points in the 2nd half you dumbass. If you don't believe me, watch my vid and pause at 8:06 mark.

Stats tell the story.

[3ba11]

He had 16 points in the 2nd half you dumbass. If you don't believe me, watch my vid and pause at 8:06 mark.

Stats tell the story.


Pippen got flow points that anyone would get in his shoes... He's the worst playoff performer in history among anyone that matters.. and literally zero clutch with constant chokes and disappearances - by far the worst

The stats tell the story

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen got flow points that anyone would get in his shoes... He's the worst playoff performer in history among anyone that matters

He carried MJ vs the Knicks. :roll:

Love how you claimed Pippen didn't do shit in the 2nd half only to be completely proven wrong, scored twice the points MJ did in a closeout game 6.

[3ba11]

He carried MJ vs the Knicks. :roll:

Love how you claimed Pippen didn't do shit in the 2nd half only to be completely proven wrong, scored twice the points MJ did in a closeout game 6.


Pippen didn't do anything in any 2nd half.. you didn't watch the games

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen didn't do anything in any 2nd half.. you didn't watch the games

Weak rebuttal, Pippen had 16 points in the 2nd half of a closeout game 6 vs the Knicks, hit a tough 3 point shot to put them game away while MJ was shooting 8 of 24 throughout the game and scoring only 8 points in the 2nd half.

You can't deny facts. No Pip, no chip.

[3ba11]

.
Series Stats

Jordan.... 32/6/7/3/1... 113 ortg
Pippen.... 22/7/4/1/0... 104 ortg


Boobie Gibson scored 31 and dominated the 4th in the closeout to carry the 07' Cavs to the Finals (20 pts for Bron on horrific efficiency and nothing in 4th).

[1987_Lakers]

.
Series Stats

Jordan.... 32/6/7/3/1... 113 ortg
Pippen.... 22/7/4/1/0... 104 ortg


Boobie Gibson scored 31 and dominated the 4th in the closeout to carry the 07' Cavs to the Finals (20 pts for Bron on horrific efficiency and nothing in 4th).

Series stats

MJ: 40 fg%
Pippen: 51 fg%

MJ had an Iverson type series, while Pippen was the one hitting all the big shots and not shooting his team out of games like MJ did in the first two games.

[3ba11]

Series stats

MJ: 40 fg%
Pippen: 51 fg%

MJ had an Iverson type series, while Pippen was the one hitting all the big shots and not shooting his team out of games like MJ did in the first two games.


Shooting efficiency falls under the umbrella of efficiency per possession (ortg), where Jordan's was much higher (and goat among high scorers that had ball-handling duties)

93' Pippen had the lowest BPM ever in the playoffs for a winning sidekick, with lower PER, WS/48, and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade, and lower than 13' Wade across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)... Pippen also shot 50% true shooting in the 93', 96', and 98' playoffs, which were 3 of the 7 worst efficiencies ever for a winning sidekick... The Bulls won the 93' and 96-98' titles IN SPITE of Pippen.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.

Pippen was a defensive role player that never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while everyone else in history had teammates lead for entire playoff runs... That's the kind of story the goat should be able to tell

Ultimately, Jordan was the best player in virtually every series he played, except his very first series and possibly against the 87' Celtics.

[Jay-B]

Lol the fact that Michael went out and gambled after being down 0-1 and having no worries about the Knicks makes him even more the GOAT, lol how don’t you understand that OP?

[1987_Lakers]

Lol the fact that Michael went out and gambled after being down 0-1 and having no worries about the Knicks makes him even more the GOAT, lol how don’t you understand that OP?

Cause he knew he had Pippen to bail him out.

"There is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen" - MJ

[000]

5-star thread OP. Pippen was the real culprit behind that Bulls dynasty. He did what was needed and played monster defense. Jordan was just some Tmac chucker tag along.

[Honor Boost]

Also forgot to add it was Pippen who hit the big shot in that game to put the game away...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t=5m4s

I dont like to jump into these quarrels but this does appear to be a mic drop

[paksat]

we not gonna talk about the championship series that year OP

you know the one where jordan averaged like 40 ppg

[SATAN]

Mikey probably would have committed suicide in "the bubble".

[ELITEpower23]

we not gonna talk about the championship series that year OP

you know the one where jordan averaged like 40 ppg

Once MJ was saved again by Scottie Pippen he decided to sack up and play the game right. Lord Pippen was Mikey Mouse's savior once again so what's new?

[3ba11]

Cause he knew he had Pippen to bail him out.

"There is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen" - MJ



13' Wade. Playoffs...... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen Playoffs'.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48



Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



14' Wade Playoffs..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen Playoffs... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg


93' Pippen had the lowest BPM ever in the playoffs for a winning sidekick, with lower PER, WS/48, and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade, and lower than 13' Wade across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)... Pippen also shot 50% true shooting in the 93', 96', and 98' playoffs, which were 3 of the 7 worst efficiencies ever for a winning sidekick... So the Bulls won the 93' and 96-98' titles IN SPITE of Pippen.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.

Pippen was a defensive role player that never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while everyone else in history had teammates lead for entire playoff runs... That's the kind of story the goat should be able to tell

[ELITEpower23]

13' Wade. Playoffs...... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen Playoffs'.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48



Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



14' Wade Playoffs..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen Playoffs... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg


93' Pippen had the lowest BPM ever in the playoffs for a winning sidekick, with lower PER, WS/48, and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade, and lower than 13' Wade across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)... Pippen also shot 50% true shooting in the 93', 96', and 98' playoffs, which were 3 of the 7 worst efficiencies ever for a winning sidekick... So the Bulls won the 93' and 96-98' titles IN SPITE of Pippen.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.

Pippen was a defensive role player that never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while everyone else in history had teammates lead for entire playoff runs... That's the kind of story the goat should be able to tell


https://i.postimg.cc/1RVSY1bd/Pippen-Wade.png

[3ba11]

https://i.postimg.cc/1RVSY1bd/Pippen-Wade.png


there's nothing to figure out - pippen averaged less in those years than Wade's tenure with Lebron, with often horrific efficiency (aka completely wetting the bed)

And the difference in conference strength and pace accounts for Wade's low of 15.9 (not needed in weak east or with big 3) - he otherwise averaged 20 in the Finals as 1b, while Pippen peaked at that amount as 2nd option (10-20 less than Jordan in either 3-peat), while cratering at worst-ever levels for a sidekick.

[ZenMaster7210]

MJ in that series:

32.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.5 SPG

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/13/PPHX/928db7ee-c06c-4c5a-8f6c-343e8f105254-Credit__Andrew_D._Bernstein___NBA_Photos_Caption__ PHOENIX_-_JUNE_20__Michael_Jordan_23_of_the_Chicago_Bulls_c elebrates_winning_the_NBA_Championship_after_Game_ Six_of_the_1993_NBA_Finals_on_June_20_1993_at_the_ America_West_Arena_in_Phoenix.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8e5451bf7d27f2ca7e573d86572bceac/tenor.gif?itemid=11605188
:applause::pimp::hammertime:

[kawhileonard2]

MJ was a 24.4 gm score to Pippen's 15.7 gm score in that series.

Wade was a 22.7 gm score to Lebron's 13.7 in the NBA Finals in 2011.

Anthony Davis was a 24.4 gm score to Lebron's 24.1 vs Denver in 2020 as well.
Anthony Davis was 27.7 gm score to Lebron's 25.6 vs Portland in 2020 as well.

[Hey Yo]

we not gonna talk about the championship series that year OP

you know the one where jordan averaged like 40 ppg

There is no championship series to talk about if not for hero Pippen against the Knicks.

[kawhileonard2]

There is no championship series to talk about if not for hero Pippen against the Knicks.

24.4 gm score to 15.7 gm score.

[97 bulls]

24.4 gm score to 15.7 gm score.

And yet everyone felt Pip was the MVP of that series.

[3ba11]

And yet everyone felt Pip was the MVP of that series.


That thought didn't enrter a single person's mind for even a nanosecond.. You'd get slapped silly if you said that back then.. But I guess 30 years later you can make up your own truth.

The stats and performance shows that no one had a lower peak for a 2nd option with multiple chips, and there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than Jordan/Pippen... ever... Jordan has 6 rings with a bigger statistical gap between him and pippen than Dirk/Terry when they won in 11'.

[8Ball]

Is 3-18 the next 1-9?


Which is better?

[8Ball]

Everyone give this thread 5* please.

[97 bulls]

That thought didn't enrter a single person's mind for even a nanosecond.. You'd get slapped silly if you said that back then.. But I guess 30 years later you can make up your own truth.

The stats and performance shows that no one had a lower peak for a 2nd option with multiple chips, and there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than Jordan/Pippen... ever... Jordan has 6 rings with a bigger statistical gap between him and pippen than Dirk/Terry when they won in 11'.

You obviously didn't watch the video. Phil Jackson, Marv Albert, and Mike Fratello all said Pip was the catalyst in that New York series.

[3ba11]

You obviously didn't watch the video. Phil Jackson, Marv Albert, and Mike Fratello all said Pip was the catalyst in that New York series.


"catalyst" and "mvp" aren't the same thing

"catalyst" could be a euphemism for solid role player (and it is)

[000]

"catalyst" and "mvp" aren't the same thing

"catalyst" could be a euphemism for solid role player (and it is)

Its the same thing as when iguodala beat Curry 7-0 in Fmvp votes bc he was the "X-factor" who helped the Warriors win

[3ba11]

Its the same thing as when iguodala beat Curry 7-0 in Fmvp votes bc he was the "X-factor" who helped the Warriors win


Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP

Infact, everyone in 3-pointer history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 for at least one of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen

And only MJ could develop Pippen into the player 16/6/5 player with worst-ever efficiency he was (according to the guy that drafted him, Krause)

[000]

Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP

Infact, everyone in 3-pointer history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 for at least one of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen

And only MJ could develop Pippen into the player 16/6/5 player with worst-ever efficiency he was (according to the guy that drafted him, Krause)
All I meant was sometimes voters give roleplayers Fmvp votes because of random narratives about their defense and hidden impact

[97 bulls]

"catalyst" and "mvp" aren't the same thing

"catalyst" could be a euphemism for solid role player (and it is)

Catalyst, meaning he was the cause in the Bulls winning.

[And1AllDay]

Catalyst, meaning he was the cause in the Bulls winning.

3baLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL did not graduate high school he does not know big words

i spell it for 3baLLLLLL

pippen was the driving force reason

[97 bulls]

3baLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL did not graduate high school he does not know big words

i spell it for 3baLLLLLL

pippen was the driving force reason

He's a casual fan. He doesn't know basketball. I always question a persons basketball acumen when all they want to discuss is points.

[MadDog]

In that series, Jordan had a better Offensive rating, Def rating and Gamescore. Along with 10 more points, 3 more assists, 1 more steal and equal blocks. Pippen "saved the day" though lol.

[And1AllDay]

He's a casual fan. He doesn't know basketball. I always question a persons basketball acumen when all they want to discuss is points.

ive noticed your one of the strongest posters on this site so i have to give you big props most dont deserve props but you do you go toe to toe with everyone and destroy all the retart agendas and still give mike his credit which most cant do. your a rare breed cuzzo :cheers:

keep slaying these idiots even the casuals they need to learn the most they are the most behind

[TheMan]

ive noticed your one of the strongest posters on this site so i have to give you big props most dont deserve props but you do you go toe to toe with everyone and destroy all the retart agendas and still give mike his credit which most cant do. your a rare breed cuzzo :cheers:

keep slaying these idiots even the casuals they need to learn the most they are the most behind
This is rich coming from you, you are one of the biggest if not the biggest agenda driven trolls here. That lack of self awareness.

[And1AllDay]

This is rich coming from you, you are one of the biggest if not the biggest agenda driven trolls here. That lack of self awareness.

you could say i fight fire with fire but hey we cant all be the same chico. some are more balanced then me and thats okay i keep this balanced against the mj stains like you and others

[97 bulls]

In that series, Jordan had a better Offensive rating, Def rating and Gamescore. Along with 10 more points, 3 more assists, 1 more steal and equal blocks. Pippen "saved the day" though lol.

And yet everyone that watched that series said Pippen stepped up because Jordan clearly didn't have it. Don't get me wrong, Jordan was still great overall in that series. But the eye test says Pippen outplayed MJ.

[97 bulls]

ive noticed your one of the strongest posters on this site so i have to give you big props most dont deserve props but you do you go toe to toe with everyone and destroy all the retart agendas and still give mike his credit which most cant do. your a rare breed cuzzo :cheers:

keep slaying these idiots even the casuals they need to learn the most they are the most behind

Thanks bro. I try to stay out of these arguments with 3ball because he's an intellectually dishonest troll.

[And1AllDay]

Thanks bro. I try to stay out of these arguments with 3ball because he's an intellectually dishonest troll.

good call bro you take the better route then me but we need balance anyway so thats where i come in since i try to take the route of fight fire with fire and heavy douse him in truth serums

he loses at both ends :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

And just to be fair, Jordan was playing with a sprained wrist. Pippen just stepped up. I don't see why we can't just give the man his flowers.

[And1AllDay]

And just to be fair, Jordan was playing with a sprained wrist. Pippen just stepped up. I don't see why we can't just give the man his flowers.

yep it happens, stars play hurt and have not so amazing series thats ok mike is still the man but give pip his respect becos we know the story of mike before and after pippen too :oldlol:

[MadDog]

And yet everyone that watched that series said Pippen stepped up because Jordan clearly didn't have it. Don't get me wrong, Jordan was still great overall in that series. But the eye test says Pippen outplayed MJ.

Who's everyone? Jordan "didnt step up" yet his numbers were superior to Pippen's. :confusedshrug: And by a lot. Jordan also dropped 54 in game 4 to tie the series 2-2. That not "having it" either? I watched the 92 and 93 series vs NY. In both of them, Jordan was EASILY better than Pippen.

[Spurs m8]

This raging clown is still in tears from that first rounder hahahahahahhahahahahhaahh

Hes spent all summer inside on ish thinking about Jordan hahahahahha

What.a.life.

[97 bulls]

Who's everyone? Jordan "didnt step up" yet his numbers were superior to Pippen's. :confusedshrug: And by a lot. Jordan also dropped 54 in game 4 to tie the series 2-2. That not "having it" either? I watched the 92 and 93 series vs NY. In both of them, Jordan was EASILY better than Pippen.

Nobody is talking about the 92 series. You're entitled to your opinion bro. I and the court of public opinion disagree.

[FKAri]

MJ talking about being human and his stans can't take it.

"MJ WOULD NEVER!1!" :oldlol:

[MadDog]

Nobody is talking about the 92 series. You're entitled to your opinion bro. I and the court of public opinion disagree.

You're right, I am. In both series, nobody but a few haters online say Pippen "outplayed" MJ. Kinda like the 98 Finals MVP and "media" perception. Outside of 2 outlets, everyone thought it was Jordan's. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

You're right, I am. In both series, nobody but a few haters online say Pippen "outplayed" MJ. Kinda like the 98 Finals MVP and "media" perception. Outside of 2 outlets, everyone thought it was Jordan's. :oldlol:

But the 92 series ain't the topic. And has no relevance here. Jordan didn't have it offensively outside of that 55 point game.

[Axe]

Who's everyone? Jordan "didnt step up" yet his numbers were superior to Pippen's. :confusedshrug: And by a lot. Jordan also dropped 54 in game 4 to tie the series 2-2. That not "having it" either? I watched the 92 and 93 series vs NY. In both of them, Jordan was EASILY better than Pippen.
Stfu casual

[MadDog]

But the 92 series ain't the topic. And has no relevance here. Jordan didn't have it offensively outside of that 55 point game.

Chicago faced New York both years, and Jordan was better in both series. You don't find it relevant, but it is what it is. In 93, Jordan averaged more points & assists, so the "not having it" stuff doesnt hold weight.


Stfu casual

Casual? :oldlol: Name a lie in that post, dumbass.

[Axe]

Chicago faced New York both years, and Jordan better in both series. You don't find it relevant, but it is what it is. In 93, Jordan averaged more points & assists, so the "not having it" stuff doesnt hold weight.



Casual? :oldlol: Name a lie in that post, dumbass.
You were only judging pippen poorly because of his ppg numbers when in reality, it's more than that.

[MadDog]

You were only judging pippen poorly because of his ppg numbers when in reality, it's more than that.

You have poor comprehension. I mentioned more than PPG. Jordan was better in: Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Gamescore & Box -/-. Jordan also had more points, assists, & steals. Read that slowly and tell me again its just PPG.

[Axe]

You have poor comprehension. I mentioned more than PPG. Jordan was better in: Offensive rating, Defensive Rating, Gamescore & Box -/-. Jordan also had more points, assists, & steals. Read that slowly and tell me again its just PPG.
You think those could've been enough if he was playing without him? Lol.

[MadDog]

You think those could've been enough if he was playing without him? Lol.

Never implied that. :confusedshrug: You're bulljiving and moving the goal post.

[Axe]

Never implied that. :confusedshrug: You're bulljiving and moving the goal post.
Lmao whatever. You're just deflecting this because deep inside, you know it's the truth.

[MadDog]

Lmao whatever. You're just deflecting this because deep inside, you know it's the truth.

Where did I deflect? You got cooked, and now you're mudslinging. Clown.

[Axe]

Where did I deflect? You got cooked, and now you're mudslinging. Clown.
Okay. Let's just say that jordan had some help then, you buffoon.

[MadDog]

Let's just say jordan had help, you buffoon.

Of course he had help. Most all-time greats do. Nobody is arguing that dumb mother****er

[Axe]

Of course he had help. Most all-time greats do. Nobody is arguing that dumb mother****er
Yet you refuse to give pippen some credit, even just a bit lmao. Don't cry now chico.

[MadDog]

Yet you refuse to give pippen some credit, even just a bit lmao. Don't cry now chico.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495413-The-5-best-perimeter-players-in-1994-and-1995-(not-including-MJ)

Made this topic a month ago. Even told 97 that Pippen was one of the best players. In 94 AND 95. Keep lying on my name bitch ass, fakkit.

[Axe]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495413-The-5-best-perimeter-players-in-1994-and-1995-(not-including-MJ)

Made this topic a month ago. Even told 97 that Pippen was one of the best players. In 94 AND 95. Keep lying on my name bitch ass, fakkit.
So he is a good sidekick, after all.

[3ba11]

13' Wade. Playoffs...... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen Playoffs'.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48



Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



14' Wade Playoffs..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen Playoffs... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg


93' Pippen had the lowest BPM ever in the playoffs for a winning sidekick, with lower PER, WS/48, and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade, and lower than 13' Wade across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)... Pippen also shot 50% true shooting in the 93', 96', and 98' playoffs, which were 3 of the 7 worst efficiencies ever for a winning sidekick... So the Bulls won the 93' and 96-98' titles IN SPITE of Pippen.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.

Pippen was a defensive role player that never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while everyone else in history had teammates lead for entire playoff runs... That's the kind of story the goat should be able to tell





^^^ TLDR: Wade had been reduced to Pippen-level in 13' and 14', which is why everyone says he sucked those years..

[ELITEpower23]

Is 3-18 the next 1-9?


Which is better?

https://media.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

[Bawkish]

so a sprained wrist, gambling hungover MJ still dominates NY in 1993 and manages to outperformed Pip in stats?

i wonder what a full focused MJ would have done to these poor souls

[kennethdrippin]

if the series went 7 OP might have a point but sadly it went 6

like all of kobe and jordans bail outs. they never came in a do or die situation like lebrons with ray and kyrie

yikes

[ELITEpower23]

so a sprained wrist, gambling hungover MJ still dominates NY in 1993 and manages to outperformed Pip in stats?

i wonder what a full focused MJ would have done to these poor souls

John Starks