Could a 7 ppg rookie that needs to develop his playmaking & ball-handling......

[3ba11]

develop alongside Lebron?

Or can we call a spade a spade - can we accept the eye test of Lebron's ball-dominance, or confirming stats like Ingram's 1 year cratering alongside Lebron across the board (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, 3-point efficiency)..

If a fourth-year upcoming star can't grow alongside Lebron's ball-dominance, then how could a 7 ppg rookie grow?

And Ingram wasn't the only wing, ball-handler, or forward to fail at excelling or developing alongside Lebron - there's many more statistical confirmations of the eye test, such as Hughes, Clarkson, IT, Wade, Kuzma, Rose, Jamison, Bosh, Love..

[RRR3]

So many lies. Why can’t you stop lying? It’s pathological.

[3ba11]

So many lies. Why can’t you stop lying? It’s pathological.


Get specific on the lies accusation

And in addition to the eye test and many statistical confirmations, there's the word of the guy that drafted him:

Jerry Krause: "Jordan beat him to death.. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man."

[RRR3]

Lied about Wade and Kuzma. Failed to use context for the rest (IT and Rose were destroyed by injuries and barely played with LeBron, Jamison, Bosh and Love took on lesser roles, Hughes had one good year in his whole career). Liarball

[3ba11]

Lied about Wade and Kuzma. Failed to use context for the rest (IT and Rose were destroyed by injuries and barely played with LeBron, Jamison, Bosh and Love took on lesser roles, Hughes had one good year in his whole career). Liarball


It's common knowledge that Wade wasn't a good fit with Lebron, while Bosh/Love were frequently single-digit bums and nothing compared to other 3rd options that averaged 20 or could dominate when needed like Klay, Jrue, Allen, Manu, Worthy, Harden, etc... And it's no surprise that a combo guard like Hughes played to capacity alongside an elite jumpshooting off-guard like Arenas..

It's a pretty consistent trend - forwards, wings and ball-handlers can't excel or grow alongside Lebron - only elite shooters aren't reduced by Bron.

Ultimately, ball-handlers can't grow if there's no one to pass to (no assist targets) and Lebron is a low-assisted player, and abnormally-low for a forward.

[RRR3]

Liarball. Unable to make convincing arguments without lying. Pathetic.

[000]

Pippen carried Jordan to 6 titles by being the ultimate teammate. He is the real Goat, not 6'6" tmac

[3ba11]

Liarball. Unable to make convincing arguments without lying. Pathetic.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?491627-Remember-when-Kuzma-was-a-budding-star

[SouBeachTalents]

Socks have evolved over the centuries from the earliest models, which were made from animal skins gathered up and tied around the ankles. Because the manufacture of socks was relatively time-consuming in pre-industrial times, they were long used only by the rich. The poor wore footwraps, simple cloths wrapped around the feet. These remained in use in Eastern European armies until the end of the 20th century.

According to the Greek poet Hesiod, in the 8th century BC, the Ancient Greeks wore socks called "piloi", which were made from matted animal hair.[4] The Romans also wrapped their feet with leather or woven fabrics. Around the 2nd century AD, the Romans started sewing the fabrics together making fitted socks called "udones". By the 5th century AD, socks called "puttees" were worn by holy people in Europe to symbolize purity.

During the Middle Ages, the length of trousers was extended and the sock became a tight, brightly colored cloth covering the lower part of the leg. Since socks did not have an elastic band, garters were placed over the top of the stockings to prevent them from falling down. When breeches became shorter, socks began to get longer (and more expensive). By 1000 AD, socks became a symbol of wealth among the nobility. From the 16th century onwards, an ornamental design on the ankle or side of a sock has been called a clock.[5][6][7]

The invention of a knitting machine in 1589 meant that socks could be knitted six times faster than by hand. Nonetheless, knitting machines and hand knitters worked side by side until 1800.

The next revolution in sock production was the introduction of nylon in 1938. Until then socks were commonly made from silk, cotton and wool. Nylon was the start of blending two or more yarns in the production of socks, a process that still continues today.

Socks can be created from a wide variety of materials, such as cotton, wool, nylon, acrylic, polyester, olefins (such as polypropylene).[8] To get an increased level of softness other materials that might be used during the process can be silk, bamboo, linen, cashmere, or mohair.[8] The color variety of sock choices can be any color that the designers intend to make the sock upon its creation. Sock 'coloring' can come in a wide range of colors. Sometimes art is also put onto socks to increase their appearance. Colored socks may be a key part of the uniforms for sports, allowing players teams to be distinguished when only their legs are clearly visible.

The township-level district of Datang in the city of Zhuji in Zhejiang Province, People's Republic of China, has become known as Sock City. The town currently produces 8 billion pairs of socks each year,[9] a third of the world's sock production, effectively creating two pairs of socks for every person on the planet in 2011.

Socks are manufactured in a variety of lengths. No show, low cut, and ankle socks extend to the ankle or lower and are often worn casually or for athletic use. No show and/or low cut socks are designed to create the look of bare feet when worn with shoes (sock not visible). Knee-high socks are sometimes associated with formal dress or as being part of a uniform, such as in sports (like football and baseball) or as part of a school's dress code or youth group's uniform. Over-the-knee socks or socks that extend higher (thigh-high socks) are sometimes referred to as female garments in the common era. They were widely worn by children, both boys and girls, during the late 19th and early 20th centuries; although, the popularity varied widely from country to country.[11] When worn by adult females, knee-high or thigh-high socks can become the object of sexual attraction and fetishism by some men.[12] Liner socks are socks which are worn underneath another sock with the intention being to prevent blisters.

Toe socks encases each toe individually the same way a finger is encased in a glove, while other socks have one compartment for the big toe and one for the rest, like a mitten; most notably what Japanese call tabi while other parts of the world simply call it tabi. Both of these allow one to wear flip-flops with the socks.[13] Leg warmers, which are not typically socks, may be replaced with socks in cold climates and are similar to leggings due to the fact that they typically only keep your legs warm in cold weather but not the entire foot.

A business sock or dress sock is a term for a dark colored sock (typically black or navy blue) for formal and/or casual footwear. It is often loosely referred to as a work sock or a formal sock for formal occasions, for example weddings, funerals, graduation ceremonies, prom, church, or work.

Crew socks are short and thick or thin everyday socks. Those socks are usually ribbed at the top of the ankles.[14][15] They can be used in a way to warm legs if pulled all the way up.[16][clarification needed] The first familiar practice of crew socks[clarification needed] was in 1948.[citation needed] Crew socks are usually unisex.[17]

A low cut sock is a kind of sock that describe in a way to be cut below the ankle. Low cut socks are formed to cover the contours of a person's feet. Although the low cut socks are unisex, but women and girls commonly use them. Low cut socks are normally worn with shoes such as boat shoes, Oxfords, moccasins and loafers.[citation needed]

The Ancient Egyptian style of sock is a blend between modern Western socks and Japanese tabi, both of which it predates. Like tabi, Egyptian socks have one compartment for the big toe and another for the rest, permitting their use with sandals; like Western socks, they fit snugly to the foot and do not use fasteners like tabi.

Although generally holding to a pattern of being divided into sizes of small-medium-large, etc., what range of shoe sizes those sock sizes correspond to carries in different markets.[18] Some size standards are coordinated by standard-setting bodies but others have arisen from custom.[19] Sock lengths vary, from ankle-high to thigh level.

Most sports requires some sort of sock, usually a knee length or mid-calf sock to protect one's legs from being scraped while participating in sport activities. In basketball, tube socks are worn, and in lacrosse, mid-calf socks are required.[citation needed] In football, knee socks are used. They are mostly to stop grass burns.

The layer of leather or other material covering the insole of a shoe is also referred to as a sock. When only part of the insole is covered, leaving the forepart visible, this is known as a half-sock.

Footwraps, pieces of cloth that are worn wrapped around the feet, were worn with boots before socks became widely available. They remained in use by armies in Eastern Europe until the beginning of the 21st century.

For use in cold environments, thermal socks are thicker. They are commonly worn for skiing, skating, and other winter sports. They provide not only insulation, but also greater padding due to their thickness.

Diabetic socks are kind of thermal sock made from an acrylic, cotton, nylon, and elastic. These are made to improve comfort while at the same time keeping feet cool and dry. There is no solid evidence that they are helpful.

A sock is also used as a holiday item during Christmas. Children hang a large ceremonial sock called a Christmas stocking by a nail or hook on Christmas Eve, and then their parents fill it with small presents while the recipients are asleep. According to tradition, Santa Claus brings these presents.

Among Muslims, socks have initiated a discussion about the intricacies of wudhu, the formal washing carried out before prayer. Some Muslim clerics, mindful of possible hardship among Muslims in inhospitable circumstances, have issued Muslim edicts permitting practicing Muslims to wipe water over their sock or sprinkle their sock.[26] This would allow prayer where there are no seating facilities, or if there is a queue. This is the stated

[000]

@SouBeachTalents
The knitting machine allowed sock production to be increased sixfold. But how quickly were socks knitted before that?

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?491627-Remember-when-Kuzma-was-a-budding-star
He averaged by far the highest PPG of his career with LeBron. Whoops.

[3ba11]

He averaged by far the highest PPG of his career with LeBron. Whoops.


You ever heard coaches talking in such a panicked, desperate way about a player?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNizoP-07Y&t=11m43s

is there ANY question who will get the ball

[RRR3]

You ever heard coaches talking in such a panicked, desperate way about a player?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNizoP-07Y&t=11m43s

is there ANY question who will get the ball
Proven wrong, he desperately tries to change the subject. :roll: :roll: :roll:




PA. THE. TIC.

[RRR3]

He averaged by far the highest PPG of his career with LeBron. Whoops.
Poor guy had no comeback for this. What a ****ing retard :roll: :roll: :roll:


3braincells

[3ba11]

Proven wrong, he desperately tries to change the subject. :roll: :roll: :roll:




PA. THE. TIC.


I simply disregarded your non-point.. Kuzma is a bum now and isn't averaging anything

[RRR3]

3braincells is too dumb to realize I owned him. It was an obvious own age too. The poor guy has the intellect of a demented turtle.

[3ba11]

3braincells is too dumb to realize I owned him. It was an obvious own age too. The poor guy has the intellect of a demented turtle.


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2021/pPs2wv.gif


Lebron turned Kuzma into a bum

[ShawkFactory]

I simply disregarded your non-point.. Kuzma is a bum now and isn't averaging anything

Why do you think that is?

[RRR3]

Why do you think that is?
He’s playing significantly less minutes that’s all. 3braincells is too dumb to realize it tho.

[ShawkFactory]

He’s playing significantly less minutes that’s all. 3braincells is too dumb to realize it tho.

Oh ok so a guy who shoots a bunch and scores relatively inefficiently on a mediocre team is going to play and shoot less on a championship contender? Cool cool

[MrFonzworth]

Poor guy had no comeback for this. What a ****ing retard :roll: :roll: :roll:


3braincells

Rr3tard meltding down so hard he's replying to himself:yaohappy:

[RRR3]

https://media.tenor.com/images/5c1d0cb79ed7b17f14e55ef1d3cef5f9/tenor.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[red1]

shut the fcuk up OP before we doxx your ass



I have your details...

[red1]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2021/pPs2wv.gif


Lebron turned Kuzma into a bum

I have your address - I'll find you and whoop your ass...

[Ne 1]

Ingram played like 25 games with LeBron, my God I can't get last that part LMAO

[Ne 1]

Basically any player that had any statical decline when LeBron was on the roster was derailed by LeBron...

And because Pippen turned out to be an actual HoF that played with MJ for 10 yrs, it's MJs claim to player development. None of those other "coke addicts" he was playing with he could develop, but Pippen was MJ made....

Meanwhile, Ingram avg 7ppg as a rookie and is self developed according to you and it at 23ppg....

So we can assume Pippen was sled made as well

[3ba11]

Basically any player that had any statical decline when LeBron was on the roster was derailed by LeBron...

And because Pippen turned out to be an actual HoF that played with MJ for 10 yrs, it's MJs claim to player development. None of those other "coke addicts" he was playing with he could develop, but Pippen was MJ made....

Meanwhile, Ingram avg 7ppg as a rookie and is self developed according to you and it at 23ppg....

So we can assume Pippen was sled made as well


Bird said that Woolridge was playing like an all-star alongside Jordan and that the duo would be a formidable force for years to come - but Bird wasn't accounting for the cocaine part... Similar to Pippen, Woolridge achieved near his career high alongside Jordan (played to capacity)... Meanwhile, BJ and Horace grew from single-digit rookies to "korver" all-stars by MJ's first retirement, and Pippen did the same thing...

So give Jordan credit here - he always squeezed blood out of stone... See the 87' Playoffs for another example - rebounder Charles Oakley was converted into 2nd option scorer and inefficient chucker to prevent their 8 seed from record blowout to the Celtics...

Ultimately, the previous examples show that teammates played near their career high/capacity alongside Jordan, including Pippen, BJ, Grant, Woolridge, Oakley, Kerr, Paxson - everyoone played near capacity, while many of Lebron's key teammates play nowhere near their capacity alongside him.. His 3rd options are frequently reduced to single-digit bums, a stark contrast from other 3rd options that average 20 or still dominate when needed (Jrue, Klay, Manu, Allen, Harden)..

When Jorrdan returned in 1995, everyone took a 1-2 point haircut - it was an equitable reduction across the board because Jordan's on-ball/off-ball game and elilte jumpshooting skill fit with everyone - the equitable reduction didn't disrupt chemistry.. otoh, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination only fits with 1 player-type - elite shooters, and this yields a weaker brand of ball/team ceiling/Finals record.

[3ba11]

.
Thread Cliffs:


A spotty-shooting ball-handler can't fit with another spotty-shooting ball-handler, so Pippen wouldn't develop alongside Lebron just like Ingram and Hughes didn't develop..

Hughes was a 22/5/5 with 1st team defense in 2005, so Lebron was gifted a player that was already achieving peak Pippen performance (22/5/5 all-defender 1st team)

[SouBeachTalents]

Socks have evolved over the centuries from the earliest models, which were made from animal skins gathered up and tied around the ankles. Because the manufacture of socks was relatively time-consuming in pre-industrial times, they were long used only by the rich. The poor wore footwraps, simple cloths wrapped around the feet. These remained in use in Eastern European armies until the end of the 20th century.

According to the Greek poet Hesiod, in the 8th century BC, the Ancient Greeks wore socks called "piloi", which were made from matted animal hair.[4] The Romans also wrapped their feet with leather or woven fabrics. Around the 2nd century AD, the Romans started sewing the fabrics together making fitted socks called "udones". By the 5th century AD, socks called "puttees" were worn by holy people in Europe to symbolize purity.

During the Middle Ages, the length of trousers was extended and the sock became a tight, brightly colored cloth covering the lower part of the leg. Since socks did not have an elastic band, garters were placed over the top of the stockings to prevent them from falling down. When breeches became shorter, socks began to get longer (and more expensive). By 1000 AD, socks became a symbol of wealth among the nobility. From the 16th century onwards, an ornamental design on the ankle or side of a sock has been called a clock.[5][6][7]

The invention of a knitting machine in 1589 meant that socks could be knitted six times faster than by hand. Nonetheless, knitting machines and hand knitters worked side by side until 1800.

The next revolution in sock production was the introduction of nylon in 1938. Until then socks were commonly made from silk, cotton and wool. Nylon was the start of blending two or more yarns in the production of socks, a process that still continues today.

Socks can be created from a wide variety of materials, such as cotton, wool, nylon, acrylic, polyester, olefins (such as polypropylene).[8] To get an increased level of softness other materials that might be used during the process can be silk, bamboo, linen, cashmere, or mohair.[8] The color variety of sock choices can be any color that the designers intend to make the sock upon its creation. Sock 'coloring' can come in a wide range of colors. Sometimes art is also put onto socks to increase their appearance. Colored socks may be a key part of the uniforms for sports, allowing players teams to be distinguished when only their legs are clearly visible.

The township-level district of Datang in the city of Zhuji in Zhejiang Province, People's Republic of China, has become known as Sock City. The town currently produces 8 billion pairs of socks each year,[9] a third of the world's sock production, effectively creating two pairs of socks for every person on the planet in 2011.

Socks are manufactured in a variety of lengths. No show, low cut, and ankle socks extend to the ankle or lower and are often worn casually or for athletic use. No show and/or low cut socks are designed to create the look of bare feet when worn with shoes (sock not visible). Knee-high socks are sometimes associated with formal dress or as being part of a uniform, such as in sports (like football and baseball) or as part of a school's dress code or youth group's uniform. Over-the-knee socks or socks that extend higher (thigh-high socks) are sometimes referred to as female garments in the common era. They were widely worn by children, both boys and girls, during the late 19th and early 20th centuries; although, the popularity varied widely from country to country.[11] When worn by adult females, knee-high or thigh-high socks can become the object of sexual attraction and fetishism by some men.[12] Liner socks are socks which are worn underneath another sock with the intention being to prevent blisters.

Toe socks encases each toe individually the same way a finger is encased in a glove, while other socks have one compartment for the big toe and one for the rest, like a mitten; most notably what Japanese call tabi while other parts of the world simply call it tabi. Both of these allow one to wear flip-flops with the socks.[13] Leg warmers, which are not typically socks, may be replaced with socks in cold climates and are similar to leggings due to the fact that they typically only keep your legs warm in cold weather but not the entire foot.

A business sock or dress sock is a term for a dark colored sock (typically black or navy blue) for formal and/or casual footwear. It is often loosely referred to as a work sock or a formal sock for formal occasions, for example weddings, funerals, graduation ceremonies, prom, church, or work.

Crew socks are short and thick or thin everyday socks. Those socks are usually ribbed at the top of the ankles.[14][15] They can be used in a way to warm legs if pulled all the way up.[16][clarification needed] The first familiar practice of crew socks[clarification needed] was in 1948.[citation needed] Crew socks are usually unisex.[17]

A low cut sock is a kind of sock that describe in a way to be cut below the ankle. Low cut socks are formed to cover the contours of a person's feet. Although the low cut socks are unisex, but women and girls commonly use them. Low cut socks are normally worn with shoes such as boat shoes, Oxfords, moccasins and loafers.[citation needed]

The Ancient Egyptian style of sock is a blend between modern Western socks and Japanese tabi, both of which it predates. Like tabi, Egyptian socks have one compartment for the big toe and another for the rest, permitting their use with sandals; like Western socks, they fit snugly to the foot and do not use fasteners like tabi.

Although generally holding to a pattern of being divided into sizes of small-medium-large, etc., what range of shoe sizes those sock sizes correspond to carries in different markets.[18] Some size standards are coordinated by standard-setting bodies but others have arisen from custom.[19] Sock lengths vary, from ankle-high to thigh level.

Most sports requires some sort of sock, usually a knee length or mid-calf sock to protect one's legs from being scraped while participating in sport activities. In basketball, tube socks are worn, and in lacrosse, mid-calf socks are required.[citation needed] In football, knee socks are used. They are mostly to stop grass burns.

The layer of leather or other material covering the insole of a shoe is also referred to as a sock. When only part of the insole is covered, leaving the forepart visible, this is known as a half-sock.

Footwraps, pieces of cloth that are worn wrapped around the feet, were worn with boots before socks became widely available. They remained in use by armies in Eastern Europe until the beginning of the 21st century.

For use in cold environments, thermal socks are thicker. They are commonly worn for skiing, skating, and other winter sports. They provide not only insulation, but also greater padding due to their thickness.

Diabetic socks are kind of thermal sock made from an acrylic, cotton, nylon, and elastic. These are made to improve comfort while at the same time keeping feet cool and dry. There is no solid evidence that they are helpful.

A sock is also used as a holiday item during Christmas. Children hang a large ceremonial sock called a Christmas stocking by a nail or hook on Christmas Eve, and then their parents fill it with small presents while the recipients are asleep. According to tradition, Santa Claus brings these presents.

Among Muslims, socks have initiated a discussion about the intricacies of wudhu, the formal washing carried out before prayer. Some Muslim clerics, mindful of possible hardship among Muslims in inhospitable circumstances, have issued Muslim edicts permitting practicing Muslims to wipe water over their sock or sprinkle their sock.[26] This would allow prayer where there are no seating facilities, or if there is a queue. This is the stated