Cam Payne took 3 years 19 million?

[Kblaze8855]

I can’t believe it. Someone underpaid in 2021.

[FultzNationRISE]

Dude needs to sign with Klutch ASAP

[Kblaze8855]

He got less per year than Austin Croshere for his like….3 good games in 2000. And that was with a 35.5 million salary cap. I thought Cam would destroy some team with a bad front office.

[tontoz]

Dude got screwed by his agent. He is going to be pissed when he sees what Caruso got.

[highwhey]

I think he's being loyal to the one team in the entire league that was willing to give him a shot after the Bulls said he wasn't NBA talent.

[j3lademaster]

Dude got screwed by his agent. He is going to be pissed when he sees what Caruso got.6 mil to play on a contender vs 9 mil to be a Bull? Depending on a player's priorities seems comparable. Of course that's if Payne sees the Suns as a perennial contender for years to come

[Bond007]

This is a shocker for me given the times...he needs a new agent

[tontoz]

6 mil to play on a contender vs 9 mil to be a Bull? Depending on a player's priorities seems comparable. Of course that's if Payne sees the Suns as a perennial contender for years to come

A few problems here. First of all he is better than Caruso. Nobody would debate that. Secondly he has never signed for big money before. Third he just played a key role on their way to the finals. Last but not least look at what they paid for CP3. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Fans tend to overrate role player who were on teams with deep playoff runs. Curaso got over payed, this on the other hand seems more fair.

[tontoz]

During the regular season Payne averaged 17/7 per 36 with a TS of 60%.

[Bond007]

there is no argument that Alex was overpaid. still happy for him though.

[Kblaze8855]

Fans tend to overrate role player who were on teams with deep playoff runs. Curaso got over payed, this on the other hand seems more fair.

He got something like the 2009 MLE for 2021…

[tpols]

I think he's being loyal to the one team in the entire league that was willing to give him a shot after the Bulls said he wasn't NBA talent.

If they played cam Payne as a starter in game 4 and the finals in general yall wouldve been champions. Crazy how arbitrary the money can be.... Scrubs get triple that contract and Payne showed championship winner heart.

[tpols]

Fans tend to overrate role player who were on teams with deep playoff runs. Curaso got over payed, this on the other hand seems more fair.

In a league where guys like Solomon hill and Mosgov get 50+ million dollar deals years ago absolutely not. There's so many low producing scrubs who got double or triple this deal. Total scam for Cameron. He was better than Chris Paul this run.

[1987_Lakers]

In a league where guys like Solomon hill and Mosgov get 50+ million dollar deals years ago absolutely not. There's so many low producing scrubs who got double or triple this deal. Total scam for Cameron. He was better than Chris Paul this run.

Just like Siakam is better than Giannis? :oldlol:

[tpols]

In a league where guys like Solomon hill and Mosgov get 50+ million dollar deals years ago absolutely not. There's so many low producing scrubs who got double or triple this deal. Total scam for Cameron. He was better than Chris Paul this run.

Just like Siakam is better than Giannis? :oldlol:

Exactly. You're a child looking for an argument but can't stick to the topic. 19 mil is a joke for what that guys worth.

[1987_Lakers]

Exactly. You're a child looking for an argument but can't stick to the topic. 19 mil is a joke for what that guys worth.

You just named guys who got over payed, Do I think Payne should have gotten a little more? Sure, but this wouldn't even be a topic if the Suns didn't make a deep playoff run. Hence my role players on deep run playoff teams tend to get overrated post.

Good luck growing that mustache child. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Just like Siakam is better than Giannis? :oldlol:
:roll:

[RRR3]

Payne in the playoffs: 51% TS, 105 ORTG


Tpols, the same guy who jacks off to those stats: ZOMG BEDDA DEN CP3!

[tpols]

You just named guys who got over payed, Do I think Payne should have gotten a little more? Sure, but this wouldn't even be a topic if the Suns didn't make a deep playoff run. Hence my role players on deep run playoff teams tend to get overrated post.

Good luck growing that mustache child. :oldlol:

Many role players on bad teams got more than double that. Your point was dumb. I have a full Viking beard mate. You guys actually think I'm that guy from Kansas. :oldlol: No disrepect to him. I feel bad he has to rep me based on a retards investigation.

I know better than to divulge pics here nowadays though. Don't want to end up being stalked by rat faced primos like yourself. Although I would lay you out in person.

Ill post a video in the shoot around thread before next season though. Masked up of course.

[Spurs m8]

In today's league, dude could have got 3/35m tbh
At least.

He really took a step up last season

[1987_Lakers]

Many role players on bad teams got more than double that. Your point was dumb. I have a full Viking beard mate. You guys actually think I'm that guy from Kansas. :oldlol: No disrepect to him. I feel bad he has to rep me based on a retards investigation.

I know better than to divulge pics here nowadays though. Don't want to end up being stalked by rat faced primos like yourself. Although I would lay you out in person.

Ill post a video in the shoot around thread before next season though. Masked up of course.

Only thing you are laying out is your legos to go and play with, after you are done playing with your looney tunes dolls of course.

[ScottieQuitting]

Over paid

[imdaman99]

He's not gonna repeat this season. Suns paid what he deserves. This was his career year.

[Kblaze8855]

In a league where guys like Solomon hill and Mosgov get 50+ million dollar deals years ago absolutely not. There's so many low producing scrubs who got double or triple this deal. Total scam for Cameron. He was better than Chris Paul this run..


So according to Mr.Efficiency Paul who did 19/9 on 50/45/88 over a 20 game finals run was worse than his backup who did 43/36/89 with obviously far less production due to minutes(though he was also behind Paul in all those advanced stats people worship)? Paul higher offensive rating in every series. In one the difference was 156 to 94. Suddenly you throw all those numbers you won’t shut up about out the window? Till when? Reggie comes back up?

[Lebron23]

So according to Mr.Efficiency Paul who did 19/9 on 50/45/88 over a 20 game finals run was worse than his backup who did 43/36/89 with obviously far less production due to minutes(though he was also behind Paul in all those advanced stats people worship)? Paul higher offensive rating in every series. In one the difference was 156 to 94. Suddenly you throw all those numbers you won’t shut up about out the window? Till when? Reggie comes back up?

Tpols always been retarded. Dude has zero basketball iq

[1987_Lakers]

So according to Mr.Efficiency Paul who did 19/9 on 50/45/88 over a 20 game finals run was worse than his backup who did 43/36/89 with obviously far less production due to minutes(though he was also behind Paul in all those advanced stats people worship)? Paul higher offensive rating in every series. In one the difference was 156 to 94. Suddenly you throw all those numbers you won’t shut up about out the window? Till when? Reggie comes back up?

That's the reason why I brought up him saying Siakam > Giannis, look how defensive he got once I reminded him he said that. Does he honestly not expect to be called out after he makes terrible after terrible take?

[000]

That's the reason why I brought up him saying Siakam > Giannis, look how defensive he got once I reminded him he said that. Does he honestly not expect to be called out after he makes terrible after terrible take?
What the hell was the rationale for that?

[Kblaze8855]

Kinda thing someone not thinking might say of say….Shaq in the 90s vs….I don’t know….Tom Gugliotta. See a couple impressive displays of “skill” when barely being game planned against and allowed to play straight up and compare it to one of the best players ever who plays a physical less pretty game and has teams throwing the whole lineup at them. If you have absolutely no clue what you’re watching you might conclude the guy with the prettier approach is better when he produces well now and then vs defenses that don’t key in on him and build walls.

Its what a 12 year old might conclude. Someone who is too young to factor in the total game and look past pretty to see what’s really happening. But in time the difference reveals itself to even people not paying attention and we get years of pretending they were never really that stupid.

The same arguments absolutely happened with Shaq. I was part of them. I’ve read them online on the google newsgroup records of posts in the 90s.

Never underestimate the willingness of fans to bend reality to their world view.

[tpols]

Everybody that watched knows chris Paul got his efficiency stats when opposing stars went out and against the nuggets. And when it mattered most he choked like usual. Reggie got those efficiency stats but didn't choke... was known as one of the most clutch players ever in fact. If Reggie got these soft lineups instead of dynasty Bulls and Lakers he'd easily be a champion.

As far as siakam goes I don't believe I ever said he was better overall than giannis. Someone pull the post if I did. I might have said he was more skilled offensively during that raptor title run, which he was. Siakam actually had a nice scoring arsenal of floaters, bank shots, and post moves. He didn't rely on offensive fouling and the current joke rules that are set in the NBA. Which is why Giannis looks like a role player in international competition.

Wilt also said the same things about shaq. And he explained why.

[tpols]

@ 10:55


https://youtu.be/JVcLh_U7dA8

[Kblaze8855]

The only people who don’t remember Reggie going absolutely ghost on a regular basis in the playoffs are people like you who were 4 when the games were played. Reggie being invisible for huge swaths of big games was well known as was the various guards who would have to try to bail him out at the end of games when a play to spring him didn’t work. That’s the funny thing about your love of Reggie and hate of Giannis. End of a game they would often both be watching Middleton create a shot if they had him. Only your perception of Reggie is ESPN specials and not watching Best, Mark Jackson, and even Haywood Workman having to make something happen when Reggie would stand and watch games end. Many of them in the playoffs.

Mark Jackson posting up at the foul line and missing big shots got Reggie shit on from other players, his coach, and the media….several times. You just don’t remember it. You don’t remember Travis Best trying to take over while people openly questioned why Reggie wasn’t more active late. All the times Reggie did damage early then went quiet in these playoff games for you to come in talking about when he’d perform.

Reggie is goat tier for a single well drawn up play that springs him open. Reggie was not taking over games on any kinda regular basis nor was he able to magically create late in games. His inability to do so was routinely pointed out for a decade…you just weren’t there to hear it.

But it is what it is at this point.

[Kblaze8855]

Everybody that watched knows chris Paul got his efficiency stats when opposing stars went out and against the nuggets. And when it mattered most he choked like usual. Reggie got those efficiency stats but didn't choke... was known as one of the most clutch players ever in fact. If Reggie got these soft lineups instead of dynasty Bulls and Lakers he'd easily be a champion.

As far as siakam goes I don't believe I ever said he was better overall than giannis. Someone pull the post if I did. I might have said he was more skilled offensively during that raptor title run, which he was. Siakam actually had a nice scoring arsenal of floaters, bank shots, and post moves. He didn't rely on offensive fouling and the current joke rules that are set in the NBA. Which is why Giannis looks like a role player in international competition.

Wilt also said the same things about shaq. And he explained why.


And Kareem and others said the same of wilt. He heard it all his life which is why he admitted to playing worse to play prettier. He’d fade when he could dunk. Not steal it from bigs when he could have so all bigs didn’t look clumsy. He wrote about it in “A view from above”. Luckily Shaq and Giannis has no such self destructive vanity and just wanted to be the best they could be not give people like you a speck of consideration. Better basketball was the result. Good that they valued substance not the candy coating of limited fans. Put a drop of Shaq or Giannis style disregard of the know nothing haters in Wilt bet your life he doesn’t have a 2 shot second half game 7 as the best athlete on earth in his prime to lose a conference final. He worried about appearances often ignoring his advantages.

Luckily for the Bucks Giannis isn’t stupid or vain enough to care what you think because you…like Wilts haters…have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Code Breaker]

Damn either his agent is dumb or he’s dumb.

[tanibanana]

I can’t believe it. Someone underpaid in 2021.
Yep, its Bobby Portis.

[ScottieQuitting]

Tpols always been retarded. Dude has zero basketball iq
You have none. You’re like a 4’11 filipino runt.

[tpols]

It was never about prettier. Its about the fact that defenders, logically, should be entitled to their space. And if an offensive player violently shoves them out the way there should be a penalty doled out. That's why the concept of the offensive foul exists (but is rarely enforced). If defenders were allowed to hit back, everybody would be fine with it, but they're not (today). And in fact they are penalized for being brutalized which is ass backwards rationale.

I don't need you to summarize Wilts opinion when I have it right in front of me on camera. The man speaks for himself.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course you don’t. Building hot takes from clips that provide little context is what you do. It’s what most sports fans with little information do. Wilt himself hated…..haaaated people who did that. Play clips of what he said to make a point. It’s one reason he stopped doing interviews. He mentioned he talked with the nba for 4 hours for the nba at 50 video and watched it and saw nothing but 30 seconds of out of context clips of himself by people using him to make a point and swore off it.

Thats the reason I gave you the name of the book he talked about his feelings on physical play and using size. I….actually care to understand the people I quote. I have the book and others he did. I know how he frames these arguments and wanted you to know as well. But of course…my attention span is probably greater than yours on these issues…..because I value context.

Anyway…what’s funny is you post a clip like it’s a case of an authority agreeing with you as if his whole point weren’t about George Muresan being as good a scorer as Shaq.

Thats just like you. Try to make a point by leaning on someone else’s moronic argument.

[tpols]

What context do you want me to provide? Wilt explicitly details...in person and on camera... what he thinks of WWE reffing in the NBA. This ain't a shopped clip. Its the full question and answer.

The funny thing is the interviewer tried to frame it as something different (load the question) and Wilt had to correct him and set him straight that he was talking about the RULES.

You do a similar thing in that you'll take somebody's opinion on offensive basketball skill and extrapolate it to everything else. In a straw man effort to discredit. Just like people that lied and said I said siakam was better than giannis as an overall player. I can't remember 30,000 posts but I probably said he was just more offensively skilled. Which he was. Pull the post if its there please.

[Kblaze8855]

Most of the topics from that year were lost in the purge but there are plenty left where even after having it explained that he’s too good at the total game to be bad because of his style of offense….you were adamant. Flat out bad basketball player:



He's not good at basketball... just an insane athlete in an entertainment league.


In fact you flat out said being good at things other than the pretty offensive things doesn’t make you good because defense is about energy and hustle and not basketball. Apparently there are no great defenders…only great athletes with hustle. This was around the time you claimed Ben Wallace was nothing more than an athletic “monster goon” who beat the shit outta people. With that mentality and limited understanding I can see how you draw some of your conclusions. Giannis being bad at the game still felt unlikely to be a real serious opinion so me and others always gave you an “You don’t really mean that….just joking for emphasis” out. But no….



No I'm dead serious. I have no problem calling out guys who are overrated you won't catch me hating on curry kawhi types.





Most of that whole era is deleted and the remaining topics are full of half erased posts but your opinion was clear. Defense, rebounding, and the general non scoring aspects aren’t something that make you good. And yes you did flat out say you’d rather have Siakam and that he was a better player. You have flatly called a lot of guys tiers below him better. Reggie Miller being one of them. You look at basketball like a 9 year old who doesn’t see anything but handles and scoring…..and ignores that all but a few seconds a game are not scoring. Not to mention that DPOY defense, generating threes for teammates at an elite level, and rebounding your ass off would be enough to make anyone great even if they didn’t score 25-30 a game like he does….much less 50 to close out the finals.

Giannis being bad is flat out stupid. And you held onto it, defended it, brought it back up for years and absolutely were not joking. In one such topic you bumped it months later claiming to have been vindicated. You look like a total fool in many topics I could but will not bump because there would be so many it would be disruptive and petty.

You can’t walk it back now. You said something stupid. You do it often. It’s just rarely made so crystal clear.


Giannis with Ben Wallace or Rodmans offense would be a great player. He’d be even better at the other things if he didn’t have to carry an offense too. Players waaaaaay less effective on offense than Giannis have been hall of fame level. One of them being Mutombo who you said he’d be in the 90s. What you watched to make you believe Mutombo was mobile like him I don’t know….maybe you could have said a super athletic Derek Mckey maybe but he’d be too good rolling to the basket for that. Mutombo couldn’t move like him even in college.

Long story medium you have just looked like a jackass for years and would even if Giannis didn’t just have an insane finals. All this did was call attention to it but you’re no more wrong now than years ago.

Giannis was an all time great before you even started your elementary school evaluations. A 50 burger with cheese to win the title just put a spotlight on it.

[tpols]

All of that was true and most echoed my sentiments.

He doesn't have elite basketball skill offensively. That was the context in those discussions and everybody agreed pretty much. You can crop quotes all you want but that was the general take and is the truth.

I have no problem saying he's a great defender. Basketball skill wise that wasn't the case if you read what peoples opinions were prior to this years title where they beat nobody.

Pull the poast where I said siakam was > than giannis as an overall player. :oldlol:

Don't make excuses about some bullshit purge... I googled all my posts and couldn't find it.

It might exist. But I want to see it.

[Kblaze8855]

The 300 post topic is gone in the purge. The same one that is the reason you don’t see the 1000 reply topic on Kobe passing. Like a year of posts are either entirely gone or you can only see them when quoted.

And nobody ever said you were the only stupid fan. Nothing stupid has only one person who believes it. You can alter it to talk about “Elite offensive skill” all you want to now but in the topics me and others(dmavs in the example I posted) told you with or without it his total game was too good to be bad in total and your response was as I posted. That he is in fact bad at basketball and you aren’t kidding.

You’ve been an unrepentant jackass on the subject so many times I’m amazed you bother walking it back like everyone doesn’t remember it. The board moving servers disrupting results doesn’t change that.

[tpols]

All of my posts regarding this I googled. Never made the false claims you and others said I made. That's why you can't produce them but all the other posts I made from the exact same time period you can. Convenient huh?

I talked about offensive skill. And stand by it for what it was. You extrapolate, crop, and lie. And that's ok. You can be fake news if you want. But if you come without evidence the case falls flat.

You wouldn't make a good prosecutor.

No face, no case,
Out of sight, out of mind,
No court, no case.

[Kblaze8855]

And really your Ben Wallace take was even worse. Just a monster goon beating the shit outta people….not a good basketball player. You should have been s reporter in the 50s. Fit right in with the guys talking about Russell’s lack of skill. Big Bill Sharman fan. Russell is in his supporting cast. That jumper was too pretty. Bill just the athletic goon who can’t play. He was an Olympic level track star too. Make it real easy to do your athlete not basketball player act.

[Kblaze8855]

All of my posts regarding this I googled. Never made the false claims you and others said I made. That's why you can't produce them but all the other posts I made from the exact same time period you can. Convenient huh?

I talked about offensive skill. And stand by it for what it was. You extrapolate, crop, and lie. And that's ok. You can be fake news if you want. But if you come without evidence the case falls flat.

You wouldn't make a good prosecutor.

No face, no case,
Out of sight, out of mind,
No court, no case.


So you are telling me the topic on siakam vs Giannis never happened and I never made like 15 gifs and posted them in it?

Truth and legal guilt aren’t the same. You aren’t even OJ on this one. You’re Cosby. You did it. You said so. Bragged about it. But the testimony you recorded was ruled inadmissible so you aren’t guilty in court. But the truth is what it is.

[Smoke117]

Tfools is always putting on a master class in idiocy. :oldlol:

[tpols]

I see a topic about siakam and giannis in the Google. Not once did I say siakam was the better overall player. That's fake news my friend.

A testimony only exists if you can reproduce it. Show it. But you can't. You're like a cop that lies to get a star on their record and hopefully a promotion. That's ultimate fraud.

Luckily most of them have to wear cameras today

[Kblaze8855]

The “If it’s not recorded it never happened” defense is useful….when people didn’t see it happen. A bunch of topics(literally hundreds) being gone has nothing to do with the truth. And really what’s still there is even worse. You are in existing topics saying flatly he isn’t good at basketball.



analyze his skillset in a vacuum, hes not even really good at basketball.


That’s dumber than the Siakam takes. And makes the whole denial pointless. You have said dozens of times he’s not good at all and the total game doesn’t make people good. Defense does not make a good basketball player. You say “not even good at basketball” over and over while throwing out the total game then try to sugar coat it as if his total game wasn’t pointed out to you the first time you said that bullshit.

Thats exactly what led you to the idiotic Ben Wallace take. Trying to defend the idea that nothing but individual offensive skill set is basketball skill. Like you can drop Usain Bolt on a basketball court and he could break up pick and rolls like Kirk Hinrich or as if good athletes have not been shit defenders. Even ones who play hard. Good effort athletic bigs have been ****ing up defenses being foul prone out of position jumping jacks who can’t switch for 60 years.

But your evaluation of what’s “good” stops at pretty offense. Not effective. Pretty. Because whatever he did to make it happen Giannis has scored like a superstar for years.

You sat there and watched a DPOY level defender score 29 a night….concluded he was bad….defended it because defense isn’t a factor in what you call “good”….make it clear you weren’t joking….but act like a topic being lost in a server move is a checkmate because the 18th dumbest thing in your argument isn’t available.

You are….quality content.

One of the worst evaluators of the sport on the internet….but quality content. Do you. I’m gonna unpack these groceries from Costco. I got some 15 dollar pasta salad that I bet is gonna disappoint. Never have to worry about that with you. You’re consistent. Always worth a read if only for a laugh.

[ShawkFactory]

I see a topic about siakam and giannis in the Google. Not once did I say siakam was the better overall player. That's fake news my friend.

A testimony only exists if you can reproduce it. Show it. But you can't. You're like a cop that lies to get a star on their record and hopefully a promotion. That's ultimate fraud.

Luckily most of them have to wear cameras today

And this all started because you said Cam Payne was better than Chris Paul in the playoffs.

[tpols]

And this all started because you said Cam Payne was better than Chris Paul in the playoffs.

Trust me it didn't start over that. He's a very petty and bitter individual.

Kblaze is mad that there are a lot of people out here that said giannis lacked basketball skill and used offensive fouling as his M.O. I've debated with him for years on these topics and most people agreed on all counts. You can find opinions from 2020 from other people that would make me look like a fan of giannis.

I can show you tons of comments that were simply the reality at the time. Still pretty much are. We live in an outcome based society. Means don't matter. A title where you go through a gauntlet is the same as a cakewalk. Not to me though. I analyze context and ability and circumstance, even when it comes to my favorite players.

I evaluate players on their basketball ability. Not their entertainment awards or what media tells me.... what I see. I only talked offensive basketball skill and never commented negatively on defense or rebounding or leadership... but liars like to extrapolate and distort.

And then I ask for proof and they say the servers were deleted. :oldlol:

That's what you get with liars.

Here's the thing... when I see a guy whose entire offensive game is running over people and having said people be called for the foul what other conclusion can I come to? Giannis shot more free throws than all of the suns players combined in the last game. What do you think the win rate would be on a team whose opponents best player shot more FTs than everybody on their team combined? Historically easily less than 5%. That's WWE.

I'm getting much more of a pleasant viewing experience waking up at the crack of dawn to watch the Olympics.

[Vino24]

How will this guy afford to feed his family?

[ShawkFactory]

Trust me it didn't start over that. He's a very petty and bitter individual.

Kblaze is mad that there are a lot of people out here that said giannis lacked basketball skill and used offensive fouling as his M.O. I've debated with him for years on these topics and most people agreed on all counts. You can find opinions from 2020 from other people that would make me look like a fan of giannis.

I can show you tons of comments that were simply the reality at the time. Still pretty much are. We live in an outcome based society. Means don't matter. A title where you go through a gauntlet is the same as a cakewalk. Not to me though. I analyze context and ability and circumstance, even when it comes to my favorite players.

I evaluate players on their basketball ability. Not their entertainment awards or what media tells me.... what I see. I only talked offensive basketball skill and never commented negatively on defense or rebounding or leadership... but liars like to extrapolate and distort.

And then I ask for proof and they say the servers were deleted. :oldlol:

That's what you get with liars.

Here's the thing... when I see a guy whose entire offensive game is running over people and having said people be called for the foul what other conclusion can I come to? Giannis shot more free throws than all of the suns players combined in the last game. What do you think the win rate would be on a team whose opponents best player shot more FTs than everybody on their team combined? Historically easily less than 5%. That's WWE.

I'm getting much more of a pleasant viewing experience waking up at the crack of dawn to watch the Olympics.

Ok but can we circle back to the Cam thing?

Like, you don't actually think he was better than CP3 right? That was just an edgy outlandish thing you said to get a rise?

[tpols]

Ok but can we circle back to the Cam thing?

Like, you don't actually think he was better than CP3 right? That was just an edgy outlandish thing you said to get a rise?

Not at all to get a rise. Why would I troll about Cameron Payne?

Cam Payne looked spectacular in the first 2 games of the WCFs when he assumed the starting role. He had the highest +/- of any starting suns players combined in those games and generally speaking looked like a true spark to the suns fire. He was that role player who lit the flame. He did it at other points in the playoffs too. Anybody that watched saw his energy.

The only series the Suns needed somebody to truly step up in was the Finals. Lakers were blown out without AD, Nuggets were a joke, and Clippers didn't have their best player. Given how Paul performed in the biggest games in the Finals, which is the only series they faced a healthy team, I do believe they would have won with Payne in place of Paul in the starting role. I don't believe Cam would have game 4s or crunchtimes where he literally dribbled the ball off his foot to lose the game. Its very rare to see a supposed superstar perform that bad when it matters most.

Which is why this deal is absurd. People even agree with me that he got underpaid but found reason to take the fight to a different argument. That should let you know how petty they are. Literally agree on the topic at hand but still want to start a fight on an unrelated manner. :oldlol:

And then get owned anyway when they can't produce any evidence to back their claims.

[ShawkFactory]

Not at all to get a rise. Why would I troll about Cameron Payne?

Cam Payne looked spectacular in the first 2 games of the WCFs when he assumed the starting role. He had the highest +/- of any starting suns players combined in those games and generally speaking looked like a true spark to the suns fire. He was that role player who lit the flame. He did it at other points in the playoffs too. Anybody that watched saw his energy.

The only series the Suns needed somebody to truly step up in was the Finals. Lakers were blown out without AD, Nuggets were a joke, and Clippers didn't have their best player. Given how Paul performed in the biggest games in the Finals, which is the only series they faced a healthy team, I do believe they would have won with Payne in place of Paul in the starting role. I don't believe Cam would have game 4s or crunchtimes where he literally dribbled the ball off his foot to lose the game. Its very rare to see a supposed superstar perform that bad when it matters most.

Which is why this deal is absurd. People even agree with me that he got underpaid but found reason to take the fight to a different argument. That should let you know how petty they are. Literally agree on the topic at hand but still want to start a fight on an unrelated manner. :oldlol:

And then get owned anyway when they can't produce any evidence to back their claims.

No team game plans for Cameron Payne. They throw what they have at CP3, Booker, and Ayton and just hope that the other guys don't beat them. He had a nice couple games but if you think that is in any way sustainable should opposing players specifically look to take him away then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I look at it as the equivalent of a AA guy getting called up into the majors and having a nice couple of weeks while pitchers are trying to find out what his weakness is. Cam's weakness is that he is a streaky shooting, often tunnel-visioned scorer who doesn't really offer much else. Which is nice for a guy coming off the bench or starting in a pinch, but not something you can build around. He couldn't do what CP3 did. Not capable enough as a basketball player.

Unless you think you've figured something out that NBA players, coaches, and GMs haven't..

[Kblaze8855]

I evaluate players on their basketball ability. Not their entertainment awards or what media tells me.... what I see. I only talked offensive basketball skill and never commented negatively on defense or rebounding or leadership... but liars like to extrapolate and distort.




What extrapolation is required when you flatly say and refuse to amend the following:



.analyze his skillset in a vacuum, hes not even really good at basketball.


And when presented with the total game you disregard it and repeat that he’s bad at basketball 200 times?

Not “He’s not as skilled as most scorers” or anything. Bad at basketball. Then act offended when it’s pointed out that “basketball” isn’t pretty scoring. It’s basketball. If you had left it at “I don’t mean he’s literally bad at basketball” you never would have gotten into this. But no. You said it. You defended it. Many times. You never seem to take it back. Let me ask you simply. Yes or no question.


Giannis. Good at basketball?

Answer that question with a simple “yes” and I’ll assume you found some common sense and drop it.

Giannis…..2 time mvp…DPOY….finals mvp….

Is he a good basketball player?





And then I ask for proof and they say the servers were deleted. :oldlol:

That's what you get with liars.


So….are you saying they weren’t?

Find me the massive topic on Kobe passing away. 1000+ replies. Should be easy to google.

The servers from 2019 and early 2020 weren’t compromised in the board move so it must be online.

Show me the original topic we were all losing our minds in if there isn’t a vast stretch of missing topics.

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No team game plans for Cameron Payne. They throw what they have at CP3, Booker, and Ayton and just hope that the other guys don't beat them. He had a nice couple games but if you think that is in any way sustainable should opposing players specifically look to take him away then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I look at it as the equivalent of a AA guy getting called up into the majors and having a nice couple of weeks while pitchers are trying to find out what his weakness is. Cam's weakness is that he is a streaky shooting, often tunnel-visioned scorer who doesn't really offer much else. Which is nice for a guy coming off the bench or starting in a pinch, but not something you can build around. He couldn't do what CP3 did. Not capable enough as a basketball player.

Unless you think you've figured something out that NBA players, coaches, and GMs haven't..

What did opposing teams do to "take Chris Paul away"?

He didn't face any constant doubles. He wasn't being trapped and ball forced out his hand full court. Booker was the guy defenses were worried about going off.

Theres a thread on this site where the poster coastalmaker showed Chris Paul was being HUNTED on defense for his diminutive size. The Bucks shit on him. Cam wouldn't have folded that bad imo.

Coaches could never bench a guy whose been president of the players union, a media darling, and superstar for a guy like cam Payne. They'd lose their entire career for going with their gut.

[ShawkFactory]

What did opposing teams do to "take Chris Paul away"?

He didn't face any constant doubles. He wasn't being trapped and ball forced out his hand full court. Booker was the guy defenses were worried about going off.

Theres a thread on this site where the poster coastalmaker showed Chris Paul was being HUNTED on defense for his diminutive size. The Bucks shit on him. Cam wouldn't have folded that bad imo.

Coaches could never bench a guy whose been president of the players union, a media darling, and superstar for a guy like cam Payne. They'd lose their entire career for going with their gut.
Trapping CP3 is generally not a smart way to defend him as he has the IQ and handle to either sense it coming and to get out of it or make the right read. And now you're out of position.

Making CP3 go one on one is the only way to do it. He might eat you alive from midrange but at least he isn't utilizing everyone else to pick you apart. But even then the Bucks did their due diligence to make sure Giannis was on his side so that he wouldn't be catching Lopez or Portis on switches.

[Kblaze8855]

Trapping CP3 is generally not a smart way to defend him as he has the IQ and handle to either sense it coming and to get out of it or make the right read. And now you're out of position.

Im learning much too late that it’s best to disregard some of his weird takes that makes it seem like he’s never watched basketball.

On an unrelated note from earlier….

Coatco pasta salad?

Not worth it. I pay 15 bucks for pasta salad I expect immaculate not something I need to doctor up myself.

[ShawkFactory]

Im learning much too late that it’s best to disregard some of his weird takes that makes it seem like he’s never watched basketball.

On an unrelated note from earlier….

Coatco pasta salad?

Not worth it. I pay 15 bucks for pasta salad I expect immaculate not something I need to doctor up myself.

It's almost like everyone is held to a Kobe standard. Not just with how good Kobe was but exactly how he played.

Yea I'll usually just make my own pasta salad (or my wife will at least lol). Found a recipe that's easy and it slaps hard

At Costco I always just go with the stuffed peppers. Been meaning to branch out but they're too damn good

[Kblaze8855]

I only had those once and I made the mistake of freezing them before cooking. Good flavor but they got too mushy. I probably spent 250 in there today and I swear it feels like I didn’t get shit. Just a whole lotta yogurt in the fridge and meat in the freezer. Nothing I can really look at and see the kitchen is well stocked.

Guess I can have a cookout soon or something. Friends birthdays next week and I bet they both back out on Miami or New Orleans which was the plan. I’ve been bored for months and just filling it with travel. I’m sure you all needed all that information.

[ShawkFactory]

I only had those once and I made the mistake of freezing them before cooking. Good flavor but they got too mushy. I probably spent 250 in there today and I swear it feels like I didn’t get shit. Just a whole lotta yogurt in the fridge and meat in the freezer. Nothing I can really look at and see the kitchen is well stocked.

Guess I can have a cookout soon or something. Friends birthdays next week and I bet they both back out on Miami or New Orleans which was the plan. I’ve been bored for months and just filling it with travel. I’m sure you all needed all that information.

Huh? I love randomly hearing that strangers online have resources in their freezer for a cookout :lol

Get the peppers again but throw them in the fridge and cook that night