Poor fit with teammates = skill deficit [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

3ba11

08-04-2021, 09:49 AM

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 09:59 AM

That's the only reason the Lakers aren't considered automatic for the title.

Specifically, a lack of elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball prevent good fits between Lebron and Westrook.. If the Lakers fit will together, everyone would be saying they'll win the title.

Essentially, Lebron's cast equals the 71' Bucks (old Oscar & Kareem), while the Heat were Kobe/Pau II.. So how can a so-called goat candidate have a skill deficit that prevents prohibitive favorite status with Oscar and Kareem as teammates (71' Bucks)?

Ultimately, Westbrook has the same horrific efficiency as Pippen, but twice the production in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

The only reason the 1971 Bucks (Lakers) won't be the prohibitive favorites is because the 1972 Lakers (Nets) also play in the same league.

Oscar and Kareem lost to the Lakers in 6 games in '72. They got lucky that the Lakers didn't form their team in 1971.

This is why context is important. Regardless though, the Lakers will probably be very near favorites. I can see it being like Nets +260 and Lakers +290 or something like that.

Manny98

08-04-2021, 10:02 AM

The only reason they're not automatic favorite is this and nothing else

https://i.postimg.cc/NfYVf1Qh/6d9e6b111392187-6000bef93400c.jpg

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:04 AM

The only reason the 1971 Bucks (Lakers) won't be the prohibitive favorites is because the 1972 Lakers (Nets) also play in the same league.

Oscar and Kareem lost to the Lakers in 6 games in '72. They got lucky that the Lakers didn't form their team in 1971.

This is why context is important.

If the Nets had the same lack of skills (fit) as the Lakers, then they would have question marks just like the Lakers..

But the Nets have the skills to fit with each other... Lebron and Westbrook don't, which makes Lebron inferior - it's a skill deficit (lack of fit) - the story of Lebron's career..

Lebron's current cast equals the 71' Bucks, while the Heat were Kobe/Pau II (2010 Lakers).. So how can a goat candidate have a skill deficit that prevents prohibitive favorite status with the best help anyone's ever had?.. Lebron's casts are equal to a championship team.

Ultimately, Westbrook has the same horrific efficiency as Pippen, but twice the production in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year - only a skill deficit (poor fit) prevents this for Lebron.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:08 AM

The only reason they're not automatic favorite is this and nothing else

https://i.postimg.cc/NfYVf1Qh/6d9e6b111392187-6000bef93400c.jpg

Lebron and AD are supposed to be better than Durant/Harden... And Wesbrook is equal or better than Kyrie.

So what's the problem?

SKILL DEFICIT (FIT) - that's the problem.. Lebron/Westbrook lack the skills (simple ball-dominators), so the Lakers aren't perceived to be as good.

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 10:11 AM

If the Nets had the same lack of skills (fit) as the Lakers, then they would have question marks just like the Lakers..

But the Nets have the skills to fit with each other... Lebron and Westbrook don't, which makes Lebron inferior - it's a skill deficit (lack of fit) - the story of Lebron's career..

Lebron's current cast equals the 71' Bucks, while the Heat were Kobe/Pau II (2010 Lakers).. So how can a goat candidate have a skill deficit that prevents prohibitive favorite status with the best help anyone's ever had?.. Lebron's casts are equal to a championship team.

Ultimately, Westbrook has the same horrific efficiency as Pippen, but twice the production in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year - only a skill deficit (poor fit) prevents this for Lebron.

I feel like you just ignored everything so I'll just repeat :lol

The reason the '71 Bucks aren't prohibitive favorites (although barring injuries they very well might be the favorites) is because the '72 Lakers are in the same league.

If the '71 Bucks were in the East and the '72 Lakers were in the west then you'd see a pretty even split. Which is what you'll see here, with the Nets probably being the slight favorites because the average age on the team is almost 5 years younger.

The Lakers are very old, and will need to be injury free.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:14 AM

I feel like you just ignored everything so I'll just repeat :lol

The reason the '71 Bucks aren't prohibitive favorites (although barring injuries they very well might be the favorites) is because the '72 Lakers are in the same league.

If the '71 Bucks were in the East and the '72 Lakers were in the west then you'd see a pretty even split. Which is what you'll see here, with the Nets probably being the slight favorites because the average age on the team is almost 5 years younger.

The Lakers are very old, and will need to be injury free.

Lebron and AD are supposed to be better than Durant/Harden... And Wesbrook is equal or better than Kyrie.

So what's the problem?

SKILL DEFICIT (FIT) - that's the problem.. Lebron/Westbrook lack the skills (simple ball-dominators), so the Lakers aren't perceived to be as good.. Meanwhile, the Nets have the skills (fit), so they're perceived as juggernauts.

But the Nets have no bench or supporting players, while also being old and brittle themselves, yet the fake/colluding/dumb media is pretending they just won the title and 3-peated.. The Nets couldn't make it through the 2nd Round without imploding.

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 10:16 AM

Lebron and AD are supposed to be better than Durant/Harden... And Wesbrook is equal or better than Kyrie.

So what's the problem?

SKILL DEFICIT (FIT) - that's the problem.. Lebron/Westbrook lack the skills (simple ball-dominators), so the Lakers aren't perceived to be as good.. Meanwhile, the Nets have the skills (fit), so they're perceived as juggernauts.

But the Nets have no bench or supporting players, while also being old and brittle themselves, yet the fake/colluding/dumb media is pretending they just won the title and 3-peated.. The Nets lost in the 2nd Round.

Says who...

Is that what you're basing your argument on? Literally no one says anyone of that.

8Ball

08-04-2021, 10:16 AM

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:19 AM

Skill deficit is what leads a player to be 1-9 in the first round without Pippen. :lol

The story of Lebron's career is poor fits with everyone (skill deficits), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)

Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:20 AM

Says who...

Is that what you're basing your argument on? Literally no one says anyone of that.

Do I need to start posting every poll in the history of mankind?

Everyone says Lebron > Durant

Everyone says AD > Harden

So what's the problem?

SKILL DEFICIT (FIT) - that's the problem.. Lebron/Westbrook lack the skills (simple ball-dominators), so the Lakers aren't perceived to be as good.. Meanwhile, the Nets have the skills (fit), so they're perceived as juggernauts.

Says who...

Is that what you're basing your argument on? Literally no one says anyone of that.

The story of Lebron's career is poor fits with everyone (skill deficits), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)

Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 10:25 AM

Do I need to start posting every poll in the history of mankind?

Everyone says Lebron > Durant

Everyone says AD > Harden

So what's the problem?

SKILL DEFICIT (FIT) - that's the problem.. Lebron/Westbrook lack the skills (simple ball-dominators), so the Lakers aren't perceived to be as good.. Meanwhile, the Nets have the skills (fit), so they're perceived as juggernauts.

Are you trying to say that because most people would have Lebron higher on the all time list than Durant, that means he's better in 2021-2022?

Durant is almost inarguably better than Lebron right now. 99% of objective people would say this. Same with Kyrie > Westbrook. That one isn't even close. No person that watches basketball would take Westbrook over Kyrie. Literally none, objective or not.

AD and Harden would be closer to a 50/50 split.

Stop basing your arguments on stupid premises.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:32 AM

Are you trying to say that because most people would have Lebron higher on the all time list than Durant, that means he's better right now?

Durant is almost inarguably better than Lebron right now. 99% of people would say this. Same with Kyrie > Westbrook. That one isn't even close. No person that watches basketball would take Westbrook over Kyrie right now. None.

AD and Harden would be closer to a 50/50 split.

Stop basing your arguments on stupid premises.

We can start posting youtube clips of many people saying Lebron is still better than Durant... Some people say AD is better too - AD is on the "best player in the world" level.

And don't switch and say Kyrie is good now - no one says he's better than Westbrook - it hasn't been a topic - they're about the same but most people would take Westbrook due to his historic acheivements.

As for AD/Harden - that isn't remotely close - AD is up there with Durant - so Lebron has a more talented Big 3 and far better supporting teammates..

The story of Lebron's career is poor fits with everyone (skill deficits), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)... Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 10:43 AM

We can start posting youtube clips of many people saying Lebron is still better than Durant... Some people say AD is better too - AD is on the "best player in the world" level.

And don't switch and say Kyrie is good now - no one says he's better than Westbrook - it hasn't been a topic - they're about the same but most people would take Westbrook due to his historic acheivements.

As for AD/Harden - that isn't remotely close - AD is up there with Durant - so Lebron has a more talented Big 3 and far better supporting teammates..

The story of Lebron's career is poor fits with everyone (skill deficits), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)... Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

Your premise is that Lebron/AD/Westbrook > KD/Harden/Kyrie RIGHT NOW. Again, most people would not agree with this.

I don't care that some dude in a video clip said Lebron is still better. Most don't share that sentiment. I can find Youtube clips of people saying Lebron is better than Jordan too.

And no, no one puts AD on KDs level. That's not a thing.

And no, no one thinks that Westbrook is better than Kyrie right now. That's not even CLOSE to a thing.

And it's not just the general zeitgeist...almost none of the numbers (advanced or otherwise) back it up. So what you're doing is basing your argument on a falsehood, or at very least an extreme exaggeration. Which is weak sauce.

1987_Lakers

08-04-2021, 10:48 AM

Harden > AD

Kyrie >>> Current Westbrook

1987_Lakers

08-04-2021, 10:50 AM

Specifically, a lack of elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball prevent good fits between Lebron and Westrook...

It's funny, the last 2 teams to win a title were led by superstars who you always shitted on for not having elite jumpers and you called both of them ball-dominant. (LeBron & Giannis)

3ba11

08-04-2021, 10:54 AM

Your premise is that Lebron/AD/Westbrook > KD/Harden/Kyrie RIGHT NOW. Again, most people would not agree with this.

I don't care that some dude in a video clip said Lebron is still better. Most don't share that sentiment. I can find Youtube clips of people saying Lebron is better than Jordan too.

And no, no one puts AD on KDs level. That's not a thing.

And no, no one thinks that Westbrook is better than Kyrie right now. That's not even CLOSE to a thing.

And it's not just the general zeitgeist...almost none of the numbers (advanced or otherwise) back it up. So what you're doing is basing your argument on a falsehood, or at very least an extreme exaggeration. Which is weak sauce.

similar to the CURRENT lebron, people sometimes call AD the best player in the world - he led the playoffs in scoring just like KD, but with DPOY-level defense as well..

And you're just lying about Kyrie - everyone said he sucked for years, while Westbrook has gotten historic accolade.

But unfortunately, Lebron lacks the skills to fit with Westbrook, so the Oscar/Kareem cast aren't prohibitive favorites like they should be.

And that's what you aren't addressing - the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)... Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would win every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 10:58 AM

Similar to the CURRENT lebron, people have called AD the best player in the world at times - he led the playoffs in scoring just like KD, but with DPOY-level defense as well..

And you're just lying about Kyrie - everyone said he sucked for years, while Westbrook has gotten historic accolade.

But unfortunately, Lebron lacks the skills to fit with Westbrook, so the Oscar/Kareem cast isn't perceived as unstoppable like they should be.

And that's what you aren't addressing - the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)... Westbrook doubles Pippen in every category, so Westbrook/Jordan would be a juggernaut and prohibitive favorites every year... Only a skill deficit/poor fit prevents this for Lebron.

No, they haven't. Take an objective poll on KD vs AD and see the results. It wouldn't be close and you know that.

As for Westbrook and Kyrie...I still feel like you're trying to use career or whatever instead of what they look like right now (you're actually doing this for all 3 players). Westbrook has fallen off the last couple years and his decision-making has seemingly gotten worse, which feels impossible. No one would take him over Kyrie right now. No one, objective or otherwise. You know that too.

So again, you're argument is based on a false premise. Which is weak sauce.

meat

08-04-2021, 10:59 AM

SHUT THE HELL UP! Saying the same thing over and over again is not gonna make it true except in your own brain. JUST SHUT UP!

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:09 AM

SHUT THE HELL UP! Saying the same thing over and over again is not gonna make it true except in your own brain. JUST SHUT UP!

It's objective fact.... poor fits with teammates = skill deficit...

if Lebron had elite jumpshooting skill and could get more of his production off-ball, he wouldn't have bad fits with nearly every teammate he ever had - only elite shooters fit with him like Korver, JR Smith, Mo or Kyrie... Everyone other player type fits like cancer with Lebron because Lebron is a simple ball-dominator that reduces all teammates to spot-up roles.

Otoh, Jordan won 6 titles with a sidekick that produced HALF of Westbrook in every category because he had the skills to fit with such a player (elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball pure scoring ability)

meat

08-04-2021, 11:10 AM

Yea, you told us already.

GrayGoat

08-04-2021, 11:10 AM

3ball how many “Pippens” does this Lakers team have?

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:13 AM

No, they haven't. Take an objective poll on KD vs AD and see the results. It wouldn't be close and you know that.

As for Westbrook and Kyrie...I still feel like you're trying to use career or whatever instead of what they look like right now (you're actually doing this for all 3 players). Westbrook has fallen off the last couple years and his decision-making has seemingly gotten worse, which feels impossible. No one would take him over Kyrie right now. No one, objective or otherwise. You know that too.

So again, you're argument is based on a false premise. Which is weak sauce.

Your argument is that Harden/Kyrie > AD/Westbrook

that's just false... no one thinks that.

Westbrook averaged 22/12/12 last year with career high assists to fit with another all-time ball-dominator (wall), which is what he'll do this year with Lebron... Expect another triple-double average for Westbrook this year.. Fallen off my ass.. you're just making shit up on the fly

and you aren't addressing the point being made - the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit), while Jordan fit with everyone (skills)... Jordan won 6 titles with a sidekick that produced HALF of Westbrook in every category because he had the skills to fit with such a player (elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball pure scoring ability)

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:15 AM

3ball how many “Pippens” does this Lakers team have?

Wow... good question... Let's see...

AD and Westbrook = 2 Pippens each because they nearly double Pippen in every category.

So that's 4 Pippen's right there...

Ultimately, Jordan won 6 titles with a sidekick that produced HALF of Westbrook in every category because he had the skills to fit with such a player (elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball pure scoring ability)... Otoh, the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit)

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:17 AM

Your argument is that Harden/Kyrie > AD/Westbrook

No, my argument is that KD/Harden/Kyrie > Lebron/AD/Westbrook. Which pretty much everyone across the board would agree with.

to fit with another all-time ball-dominator (wall)

You sure about that?

Fallen off my ass

Check the advanced numbers. He's no more valuable than a Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at this point. No one has mentioned Westbrook among the elite players in the league since 2018 or so.

1987_Lakers

08-04-2021, 11:21 AM

Your argument is that Harden/Kyrie > AD/Westbrook

that's just false... no one thinks that.

What kind of a fairy tail are you living in to believe current AD/Westbrook are better players than Harden/Kyrie?

Just found an random article of list of top 25 players in the league and Harden is ranked ahead of AD & Westbrook didn't even make the list.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/5/4/22416337/top-25-nba-player-ranking-lebron-james-nikola-jokic

I guess you can argue AD & Harden, but Harden is in the elite of the elite group, a top 5 SG ever. Nobody or very few believe current Westbrook is better than Kyrie. So your statement is false.

RRR3

08-04-2021, 11:23 AM

OP is by far the worst poster in NBA forum history.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:24 AM

No, my argument is that KD/Harden/Kyrie > Lebron/AD/Westbrook. Which pretty much everyone across the board would agree with.

You sure about that?

Check the advanced numbers. He's no more valuable than a Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at this point. No one has mentioned Westbrook among the elite players in the league since 2018 or so.

AD is almost as good as Durant, so the only reason people would think Lebron/AD/Westbrook is inferior is due to bad fit (skill deficit)

Ultimately, there's the goat level - aka winning 6 titles with Westbrook..... And there's not top 20 - aka NOT being favored with Westbrook and AD

I'm not saying Lebron isn't top 20 all-time, but not being favored with the 71' Bucks or 10' Lakers as your cast (so Lebron is added to these teams) isn't top 20.. it just isn't.

Ultimately, Jordan won 6 titles with a sidekick that produced HALF of Westbrook in every category because he had the skills to fit with such a player (elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball pure scoring ability)... Otoh, the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit)

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:27 AM

AD is almost as good as Durant, so the only reason people would think Lebron/AD/Westbrook is inferior is due to bad fit (skill deficit)

Ultimately, there's the goat level.... aka winning 6 titles with Westbrook

And there's not top 20..... not being favored with Westbrook and AD

I'm not saying Lebron isn't top 20 all-time, but not being favored with the 71' Bucks or 10' Lakers as your cast (so Lebron is added to these teams) isn't top 20.. it just isn't.

Ultimately, Ultimately, Jordan won 6 titles with a sidekick that produced HALF of Westbrook in every category because he had the skills to fit with such a player (elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball pure scoring ability)... Otoh, the story of Lebron's career is poor fits with teammates (skill deficit)

No it's because the trio is not as good individually, as I've already argued. Which is why I brought up the fact that the '71 Bucks wouldn't have been as prohibitive of favorites if the '72 Lakers existed in the same league.

You're a big fan of ignoring shit and just circling back and hoping people forget aren't you :lol

As an aside, this is Westbrook's 4th team in the last 4 years. Why do you think that is?

I'm not saying Lebron isn't top 20 all-time, but not being favored with the 71' Bucks or 10' Lakers as your cast (so Lebron is added to these teams) isn't top 20

Well he'll be 37 and came in to the league as a teenager so...what he does or doesn't accomplish this year doesn't tell the even close to the whole picture.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:29 AM

No it's because the trio is not as good individually, as I've already argued. Which is why I brought up the fact that the '71 Bucks wouldn't have been as prohibitive of favorites if the '72 Lakers existed in the same league.

You're a big fan of ignoring shit and just circling back and hoping people forget aren't you :lol

You're just lying - people thought AD was the best player in the league and KD wasn't even playing..

The only reason the Lakers aren't favored is because of poor fit (skill deficit).... but stay in denial... Same thing with the Heat and Cavs - so it's happened before.

But keep making up your own truth - Lebron is an overrated bum but keep protecting him and he'll keep losing (so you'll need to keep protecting him)

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:32 AM

You're just lying - people thought AD was the best player in the league and KD wasn't even playing..

The only reason the Lakers aren't favored is because of poor fit (skill deficit).... but stay in denial.

Keep making up your own truth - Lebron is an overrated bum but keep protecting him and he'll keep losing (so you'll need to keep protecting him)

Who?

Saying people thought someone was the best in the league when KD wasn't playing literally proves my point though...that KD is the best player in the league. You know he is bro, stop making it so difficult. The only people you can argue are Kawhi when he decides to play and Giannis because the Bucks just won. But KD outplayed him head-to-head in that series so it's tough to make that one.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:34 AM

Who?

Saying people thought someone was the best in the league when KD wasn't playing literally proves my point though...that KD is the best player in the league. You know he is bro, stop making it so difficult. The only people you can argue are Kawhi when he decides to play and Giannis because the Bucks just won. But KD outplayed him head-to-head in that series so it's tough to make that one.

KD came off injury and did nothing to prove he's the best... One series where he choked many times should knock him DOWN the rankings.. It's all media bs... He lost to the Bucks and choked several times.

Before that AD was the MVP of the real Finals (vs Denver) and led the league in playoff scoring - many people still say he's the best in the game as a 2-way player... That's the caliber he's on

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:39 AM

KD came off injury and did nothing to prove he's the best... One series where he choked many times should knock him DOWN the rankings.. It's all media bs... He lost to the Bucks and choked several times.

Before that AD was the MVP of the real Finals (vs Denver) and led the league in playoff scoring - many people still say he's the best in the game as a 2-way player... That's the caliber he's on

Other than being the best player on every court he was on?

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:41 AM

Other than being the best player on every court he was on?

Did KD turn a lottery team and the worst defensive team in the league into a champion and the #1 defensive team?

AD did that, which is why people would called him the best in the league at times.. That's the level he's on (BITW)... Harden and Kyrie aren't on that level..

RRR3

08-04-2021, 11:42 AM

No it's because the trio is not as good individually, as I've already argued. Which is why I brought up the fact that the '71 Bucks wouldn't have been as prohibitive of favorites if the '72 Lakers existed in the same league.

You're a big fan of ignoring shit and just circling back and hoping people forget aren't you :lol

As an aside, this is Westbrook's 4th team in the last 4 years. Why do you think that is?

Well he'll be 37 and came in to the league as a teenager so...what he does or doesn't accomplish this year doesn't tell the even close to the whole picture.
Just stop arguing with him it’s what he wants.

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:42 AM

Just stop arguing with him it’s what he wants.

Stay out of it.. Stop trying to pull me off him... Some good ground and pound going on here

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:43 AM

Just stop arguing with him it’s what he wants.

I know. That's the worst part.

RRR3

08-04-2021, 11:47 AM

I know. That's the worst part.
I put him on ignore and I suggest everyone does. Just let him talk to himself. I’m done arguing with him, he’s just a troll. Doesn’t believe anything he says (how could he? He contradicts himself constantly)

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:49 AM

I put him on ignore and I suggest everyone does. Just let him talk to himself. I’m done arguing with him, he’s just a troll. Doesn’t believe anything he says (how could he? He contradicts himself constantly)

Poor fits = skill deficit... basketball 101

so carry on in delusion and denial..

your boy has an inferior ball-dominator skillset that needs to super-teams to win, and still mostly loses... he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer..

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 11:50 AM

GrayGoat

08-04-2021, 11:51 AM

3ba11

08-04-2021, 11:53 AM

:applause:

Too late for you though...

And him - RRR3 puts me on ignore but still responds in my threads.. He doesn't come on here to talk basketball - only to antagonize people are work out his insecurity in himself

so you guys are both bums with low integrity and character...

And ignorance.... Poor fits = skill deficit... basketball 101... your boy has an inferior ball-dominator skillset that needs to super-teams to win, and still mostly loses... he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer..

GrayGoat

08-04-2021, 11:56 AM

Too late for you though...

And him - RRR3 puts me on ignore but still responds in my threads.. He doesn't come on here to talk basketball - only to antagonize people are work out his insecurity in himself

so you guys are both bums with low integrity and character...

And ignorance.... Poor fits = skill deficit... basketball 101... your boy has an inferior ball-dominator skillset that needs to super-teams to win, and still mostly loses... he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer..
RR3 is a volume shooter (poster) low iq posts than cry’s to the refs (mods) with the slightest bit of contact

1987_Lakers

08-04-2021, 12:02 PM

Too late for you though...

And him - RRR3 puts me on ignore but still responds in my threads.. He doesn't come on here to talk basketball - only to antagonize people are work out his insecurity in himself

so you guys are both bums with low integrity and

Low integrity and character? You have been caught multiple times lying about stats in order to make MJ look more impressive. When confronted, you simply blame it on foggy memory, but we all know you spend all day on basketballreference. I question if you even watched all of the 90s Bulls.

I proved to you with video evidence that Pippen had a big 2nd half and hit big shots in the 4th quarter in game 6 vs the Knicks in '93 after you said Pippen didnt do anything in the 2nd half of the game.

You also said Pippen got his points in the flow of the offense, but the vid clearly showed Pippen hitting a tough 3 point to put NY away.

The funny thing is, you are a joke on this forum, but in your deluded brain you actually think people take you serious. :oldlol:

3ba11

08-04-2021, 12:43 PM

Low integrity and character? You have been caught multiple times lying about stats in order to make MJ look more impressive. When confronted, you simply blame it on foggy memory, but we all know you spend all day on basketballreference. I question if you even watched all of the 90s Bulls.

I proved to you with video evidence that Pippen had a big 2nd half and hit big shots in the 4th quarter in game 6 vs the Knicks in '93 after you said Pippen didnt do anything in the 2nd half of the game.

You also said Pippen got his points in the flow of the offense, but the vid clearly showed Pippen hitting a tough 3 point to put NY away.

The funny thing is, you are a joke on this forum, but in your deluded brain you actually think people take you serious. :oldlol:

Lebron's teammates led him for entire series and entire playoffs, so I could care less about Pippen in a single game where he was carried.

Phil Jackson preferred Kukoc, Kerr, Paxson - ANYONE BUT PIPPEN IN THE CLUTCH... Listen to Cowherd tell it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=276s

And I never lied about MJ stats - any minor discrepancies never changed the point being made - you guys harped on 0.3 difference in PPG to deflect from the point being made... that's low character and integrity.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

08-04-2021, 12:51 PM

3ba11

08-04-2021, 04:56 PM

You're right. Poor fit is a skill deficit. And that's why fans have reservations about Westbrook/Lebron together.

Thing is they probably win it all if it weren't for Brooklyn. Who's stopping them out West?

Jordan won 6 titles with poor man's Westbrook, while Lebron might not win any with Westbrook/AD because he lacks the skills to fit with Westbrook like Jordan did

SouBeachTalents

08-04-2021, 05:07 PM

Yeesh, Shawk laying a beating on 3ball like he was told to get his shinebox

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BabyishClosedIguanodon-max-1mb.gif

StrongLurk

08-04-2021, 05:11 PM

Who is Russell Westbrook a worse fit for OP?

Lebron or Magic?

Axe

08-04-2021, 05:19 PM

Irony. You never log the fvck off
Another ether for the day

3ba11

08-04-2021, 05:48 PM

Who is Russell Westbrook a worse fit for OP?

Lebron or Magic?

Westbrook fits much worse with Lebron because Lebron only has the point guard skillset, while Magic was an elite post player and could actually play forward (rather than just pretending to play forward like Lebron, who always plays the point guard role)..

Furthermore, Magic wasn't ball-dominant compared to today's point guards - it's isn't remotely close..

Magic was also a far superior passer - a "pure" passer who didn't need a bunch of set up time to get an assist - his passes looked more instinctual and less expected than Lebron's predictable kick-outs to teammates, or easy passes for dunks in the wide-open spacing.. So it isn't remotely close - Magic could fit with Westbrook, while Lebron can't without reducing his stats or Westbrook's (just like every other teammate he's ever had that wasn't an elite shooter).

Smoke117

08-04-2021, 05:52 PM

SHUT THE HELL UP! Saying the same thing over and over again is not gonna make it true except in your own brain. JUST SHUT UP!

This. What is it now...six to 7 years of the same shit repeated over and over?

3ba11

08-04-2021, 05:57 PM

This. What is it now...six to 7 years of the same shit repeated over and over?

show me where I made a thread saying that poor fit with teammates = skill deficit

you guys are just liars because you want to live in your own world of delusion and fantasy where lebron is actually a good player.. he isn't

Mauzah

08-04-2021, 06:09 PM

There's some validity to what 3ball is saying here.

Which big three is going to have more success on the court when they decide to rely on each other? And I'm talking playoffs when no one cares about the stats and only about advancing.

I think the Nets simply based off the outside shooting. When defenses tighten up, they can adjust and play to each others strengths while they Lakers will need to rely on the outside shooting of their role players to space the floor. You can say what you want but Lebron/Westbrook in the last 4 minutes of a tight game is not exactly ideal. Especially with Lebron at this age.

Smoke117

08-04-2021, 06:13 PM

show me where I made a thread saying that poor fit with teammates = skill deficit

you guys are just liars because you want to live in your own world of delusion and fantasy where lebron is actually a good player.. he isn't

Only a half wit clown would try and argue that Lebron isn't a good player. Case in point...

ShawkFactory

08-04-2021, 06:21 PM

OPs is the Dennis Reynolds of ISH. Similar pathology.

StrongLurk

08-04-2021, 06:25 PM

Westbrook fits much worse with Lebron because Lebron only has the point guard skillset, while Magic was an elite post player and could actually play forward (rather than just pretending to play forward like Lebron, who always plays the point guard role)..

Furthermore, Magic wasn't ball-dominant compared to today's point guards - it's isn't remotely close..

Magic was also a far superior passer - a "pure" passer who didn't need a bunch of set up time to get an assist - his passes looked more instinctual and less expected than Lebron's predictable kick-outs to teammates, or easy passes for dunks in the wide-open spacing.. So it isn't remotely close - Magic could fit with Westbrook, while Lebron can't without reducing his stats or Westbrook's (just like every other teammate he's ever had that wasn't an elite shooter).

:roll:

Imagine thinking replacing MJ with Lebron on this team WOULDN'T reduce Westbrook's stats as well. MJ shooting 25+ times a game would definitely reduce Westbrook and AD's stats because there is only one ball.

Lebron is a solid post player and one of the league's best roll men in the pick and roll for his whole prime. Lebron's scoring skills are better than Magic's.

Kawhi plays just like older MJ, yet Kawhi reduced his 2019 Raptors teammates AND clearly reduced Paul George who played much better without Kawhi...Paul George also had his best season ever playing with Westbrook.

You're thinking is way too narrow because you only see the entire sport of basketball through the lens of MJ vs Lebron and make way too may shaky inferences from their play and try to apply those inferences to other players.

SouBeachTalents

08-04-2021, 06:25 PM

OPs is the Dennis Reynolds of ISH. Similar pathology.
But at least Dennis Reynolds is funny

meat

08-04-2021, 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=Mauzah;14412257]There's some validity to what 3ball is saying here.

Doesn't matter white knight. If he could converse like a normal person somebody might listen to him
he said "skill deficit" 100 times. guy is weird. "skill blah blah blaaaaaaaa" autistic or OCD

meat

08-04-2021, 06:48 PM

And you know he can't help but respond to you. That's why you all love him.

meat

08-04-2021, 06:52 PM

If you don't you have skill deficit + skill deficit -skillt deficit + skill deficit. equals .... skill deficit. oh ... and uh .. scottie pippen or something

3ba11

08-05-2021, 06:50 AM

If you don't you have skill deficit + skill deficit -skillt deficit + skill deficit. equals .... skill deficit. oh ... and uh .. scottie pippen or something

Here's more skills that Lebron doesn't have:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2021/r4etNz.gif

Lebron is maybe top 20 all-time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvO4ZqZC5aA

lakerstekkenn

08-06-2021, 01:33 AM

That's the only reason the Lakers aren't considered automatic for the title.

Specifically, a lack of elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball prevent good fits between Lebron and Westrook.. If the Lakers fit together, everyone would be saying they'll win the title.

Otoh, Jordan won 6 titles because he possessed the skills to fit with a sidekick that got HALF of westbrook's production in every category, with the same horrific efficiency.

The Lakers have shooters, Russell will just play the Rondo roll attack the basket and get triple doubles then hit some shots when James and Davis get cold or have to rest, because Davis and James won't score all of the time that's when Russell will take over and James and Davis will set screens, picks, then Davis will either slash to the basket or Russell will slash attacking the basket or if the lanes close he will kick it to the open player then they will hit their shot or miss that's why Davis who set the pick will slash to the basket to get the rebound, if long rebounds James and others are at their positions hopefully boxing out then there's Russell with his hustle the rebounding triple double threat, it's easy chicken sandwiches with curly fries.

:coleman:

3ba11

08-06-2021, 01:37 AM

The Lakers have shooters

:coleman:

Specifically, a lack of elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball ability prevent good fits between Lebron and Westrook.. If they had the skills to fit well together, everyone would be saying they'll win the title.. Again, it's a SKILL DEFICIT and guys that have them can't be goat

StrongLurk

08-06-2021, 11:33 AM

Specifically, a lack of elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball ability prevent good fits between Lebron and Westrook.. If they had the skills to fit well together, everyone would be saying they'll win the title.. Again, it's a SKILL DEFICIT and guys that have them can't be goat

Why did PG play the best ball of his career with Westbrook, but has struggled while playing with Kawhi (who is similar to 96-98 Jordan). If Westbrook has a skill deficit compared to Kawhi...then what's going on here?

You never answer this.

It's also amazing that all your posting end up propping Lebron up, which is the opposite of what you want...but hey, that's addiction for you.

MadDog

08-06-2021, 01:31 PM

Its a bad fit, but the Lakers might have enough shooting to offset it. I'd play Westbrook off the bench and start Melo\Nunn. They can shoot, and Nunn actually plays D.

TheCorporation

08-06-2021, 02:13 PM

1*

Be better.

3ba11

08-07-2021, 07:53 PM

Why did PG play the best ball of his career with Westbrook, but has struggled while playing with Kawhi (who is similar to 96-98 Jordan). If Westbrook has a skill deficit compared to Kawhi...then what's going on here?

You never answer this.

It's also amazing that all your posting end up propping Lebron up, which is the opposite of what you want...but hey, that's addiction for you.

The only player type that isn't reduced by Lebron-ball are elite shooters like Kyrie, Mo or PG13

Otherwise, every other player type is destroyed by Lebron-ball - it's a skill deficit by Lebron - if he was an elite shooter and pure scorer off-the-ball, then he'd be a great fit with Westbrook, and no one would've been like "they don't fit" when Westbrook joined Lebron

Only Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination and lack of elite jumpshooting skill prevents him from fitting with guys and having better teams (woat team ceilings/Finals records)

Ryoka Narusawa

08-07-2021, 07:56 PM

The only reason they're not automatic favorite is this and nothing else

https://i.postimg.cc/NfYVf1Qh/6d9e6b111392187-6000bef93400c.jpg

nets are the team to beat and with ample health nothing can stop them

especially not a 37 year old lebron with kendrick nunn

3ba11

08-07-2021, 08:11 PM

nets are the team to beat and with ample health nothing can stop them

especially not a 37 year old lebron with kendrick nunn

Lebron has the far better cast and you're only making excuses for him because you know he isn't that good - you know his history of mostly losing regardless of cast or coach - this loser lost to multiple 1-star teams as the favorite and with super-teams (09', 11').. he is NOT a winner and his record proves that.. he's actually the biggest Finals loser in history - the worst "comp" ever - opponents see an automatic victory when they face Lebron in the Finals.. Only bailouts and luck shots saved him from a 1/10 record in the Finals.

And why does Lebron lose so much, regardless of cast or coach? It's a skill deficit - his skill restriction to ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles and weak teammate fits, which yields underperforming teammates and weak strategy/brand of ball.. So he's 4/10 as a result.