Lillard: "Scoring Is Easier In NBA Than In Europe"

[90sgoat]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/damian-lillard-agrees-that-scoring-is-easier-in-nba-than-in-europe-in-fiba-not-as-many-fouls-calls-more-physical-refs-dont-blow-the-whistle-its-hard/ar-AAN1DY9

"I can see why," Lillard said on Luka claiming it's easier to score in the association. "Best scorers in the NBA score from three and get fouled in FIBA, not as many foul calls; more physical. Also, no defensive 3 seconds so the paint is more crowded and refs don't blow the whistle. It's hard. There's so many things that allow scoring to be easier in the NBA."

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It's over.

For years and years we had people claiming the opposite, saying the league has not gotten softer, not gotten weaker.

Everyone sees it now.

[outofstomach]

damn. 3ball was right

[90sgoat]

damn. 3ball was right

We were all right.

Vindication feels good.

I've been at this for 10 years, now I can retire.

[ELITEpower23]

7,631 PLAYOFF points

You're well behind

[bison]

Silver needs to implement FIBA rules in the nba. Sure it may be a couple years of ugly low scoring games as the nba adapts but it will be for the long term good. It would restore basketball to a position driven, team strategy game that we all loved and grew up with.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Defending is also tougher in the NBA. Something Lillard and Doncic do very little.

[Jasper]

It's not the system its the player....
Dame is a top tier scorer , but it is his first Euro system ball / next Olympics he will adjust and lite it up

[nayte]

You guys are really gonna argue against a player who just played in those rules.. you are a funny lol

[paksat]

i mean to anyone that's played basketball worth a crap it's painfully obvious

i guess for some reason coaches were too stupid to just have players shoot 3's non-stop, must have been something in the water.... OR it was just a dumb gimmicky style

[ShawkFactory]

I think this is pretty much generally accepted, and has been for a while.

[1987_Lakers]

This is just a damage control thread, OP was rooting against team USA to win Gold. He made threads after every USA loss basically shitting on them.

[Phoenix]

damn. 3ball was right

Many of us have said this. Hell Luka as a rookie said scoring in the current NBA is easier and played enough in Europe( and now 3 full NBA seasons) to give an informed perspective on it.

[Airupthere]

What the fck does lillard know? I'm going with the word of branstans on this, lol.

[Gohan]

What the fck does lillard know? I'm going with the word of branstans on this, lol.

Smart dude, bran stans are all potential nba analysts. You have to respect their analysis

[Bronbron23]

It's not the system its the player....
Dame is a top tier scorer , but it is his first Euro system ball / next Olympics he will adjust and lite it up

This guys in denial :facepalm

[3ba11]

damn. 3ball was right


Thanks. But MJ stans have always said this

The issue that I was ahead of was the concept of ball-dominance - I claimed that Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance and weaker brand of ball was the reason for his teams struggling on the Finals level and worst-ever Finals record in 3-pointer history.

[Lebron23]

Silver needs to implement FIBA rules in the nba. Sure it may be a couple years of ugly low scoring games as the nba adapts but it will be for the long term good. It would restore basketball to a position driven, team strategy game that we all loved and grew up with.

That's why I think Bronny is going to be a scoring machine in the NBA. He's been scoring over 20 points in high school against a very tough defensive environment.

[1987_Lakers]

Thanks. But MJ stans have always said this

The issue that I was ahead of was the concept of ball-dominance - I claimed that Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance and weaker brand of ball was the reason for his teams struggling on the Finals level and worst-ever Finals record in 3-pointer history.

Why did Paul George have a career year with ball-dominator Westbrook while he regressed with off-ball Kawhi?

[3ba11]

Why did Paul George have a career year with ball-dominator Westbrook while he regressed with off-ball Kawhi?


the only player type that Lebron-ball doesn't reduce is elite shooters like Kyrie, Mo, or PG-13

But the argument is that ball-dominance yields weak team strategy/brand, which struggles on the Finals level, even with Kareem

[1987_Lakers]

the only player type that Lebron-ball doesn't reduce is elite shooters like Kyrie, Mo, or PG-13

But the argument is that ball-dominance yields weak team strategy/brand, which struggles on the Finals level, even with Kareem

So by your logic he reduced Wade but still manged to win back to back titles with him. True GOAT.

[3ba11]

So by your logic he reduced Wade but still manged to win back to back titles with him. True GOAT.


Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. that's the worst anyone can do

In 2010, Wade's PER/BPM was 28/9 versus 21/4 for Kobe, while Bosh was 6x all-star before Lebron versus 1x for Pau before Kobe.

[000]

In 2010, Wade's PER/BPM was 28/9 versus 21/4 for Kobe, while Bosh was 6x all-star pre-Lebron versus 1x for Pau pre-Kobe.

So Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss

Look, I agree that Kobe was not a very good player, but he was still better than post-2011 DWade

[3ba11]

Look, I agree Kobe was not a very good player, but he was still better than post-2011 DWade


2012 Wade was top 5 in everything and far better than 2010 Kobe as well

Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. that's the worst anyone can do

Btw, 2013-2016 Wade compared to prime Pippen (21/5/5 with 21 PER)

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. that's the worst anyone can do

In 2010, Wade's PER/BPM was 28/9 versus 21/4 for Kobe, while Bosh was 6x all-star before Lebron versus 1x for Pau before Kobe.

Being 2/4 is a failure? Coming from a guy who has Larry Bird in his top 2-3 all-time list. A guy who won 3 rings in like 12-13 years despite having McHale, Parish, DJ etc on his side. :oldlol:

[000]

2012 Wade was top 5 in everything and far better than 2010 Kobe as well

Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. that's the worst anyone can do

Btw, 2013-2016 Wade compared to prime Pippen (21/5/5 with 21 PER)
Imma have to disagree with this Kobe slander. Sorry. Im all for shitting on the man but this is wayyy too far.

[ClipperRevival]

3ball right now.

https://c.tenor.com/E8mGMKQ0H4YAAAAM/eddie-murphy-drinking.gif

[3ba11]

Being 2/4 is a failure? Coming from a guy who has Larry Bird in his top 2-3 all-time list. A guy who won 3 rings in like 12-13 years despite having McHale, Parish, DJ etc on his side. :oldlol:


Bird went 1-2 against Lakers, while Lebron went 1-2 against Spurs, 1-3 against Warriors, and 0-1 against Mavs - so Lebron's losing is dimensions worse than Bird

Lebron yields the worst Finals teams in 3-pointer history (worst record ever) - he's literally the worst "comp" ever .. if an opponent faces Lebron in the Finals - it's an easy win

[1987_Lakers]

Bird went 1-2 against Lakers, while Lebron went 1-2 against Spurs, 1-3 against Warriors, and 0-1 against Mavs - so Lebron's losing is dimensions worse than Bird

Except LeBron ended up with 4 rings and counting compared to Bird's 3 and made more Finals appearances as well, so by definition he won more than Bird. Funny how you have him top 3 all-time while he has a losing record against ball-dominant Magic. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Except LeBron ended up with 4 rings and counting compared to Bird's 3 and made more Finals appearances as well, so by definition he won more than Bird. Funny how you have him top 3 all-time while he has a losing record against ball-dominant Magic. :oldlol:


Lebron formed a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - no one respects his manufactured Finals streak where his super-teams beat Hibbert and Tatum... Gtfo

When he faced teams like the Bad Boys or players like MJ/KD, he was beat by record amount

[72-10]

Scoring seemed easier this past NBA season, perhaps defense was down a bit from exhaustion of most of the elite defenders, more individual players registering high point totals as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if Europe's defense somehow stepped it up and was about even with what the NBA had to offer this past season.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron formed a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - no one respects his manufactured Finals streak where his super-teams beat Hibbert and Tatum... Gtfo

And Bird had a super team with him, whether formed or not and he still won less than LeBron, you want to talk about LeBron's competition in the East, but didn't Bird beat a 40-42 team in the Finals in 1981, a series that he didn't even get FMVP for? By your logic, I shouldn't respect that ring.

[3ba11]

Scoring seemed easier this past NBA season, perhaps defense was down a bit from exhaustion of most of the elite defenders, more individual players registering high point totals as a result.


The NBA broke the record for league ortg in each of the past 5 years

[3ba11]

And Bird had a super team with him, whether formed or not and he still won less than LeBron, you want to talk about LeBron's competition in the East, but didn't Bird beat a 40-42 team in the Finals in 1981, a series that he didn't even get FMVP for? By your logic, I shouldn't respect that ring.


Lebron would barely have any Finals appearances if he played in the West - only WINNING the Finals matters and Lebron mostly lost on that level

[ClipperRevival]

As for the topic at hand, anyone who knows anything about the game has been saying this for years. It's like saying water is wet.

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[1987_Lakers]

only WINNING the Finals matters and Lebron mostly lost on that level

Again, so by your logic LeBron is better than Bird. 4>3.

Bird had a superteam with him and still won less than LeBron and keep in mind you have Bird as a top 2-3 player ever. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Again, so by your logic LeBron is better than Bird. 4>3.

Bird had a superteam with him and still won less than LeBron and keep in mind you have Bird as a top 2-3 player ever. :oldlol:
Just put him on ignore. You literally destroy him in every argument and he doesn’t react at all. That should tell you something.

[3ba11]

Again, so by your logic LeBron is better than Bird. 4>3.

Bird had a superteam with him and still won less than LeBron and keep in mind you have Bird as a top 2-3 player ever. :oldlol:


Bird mostly won on the Finals level, while Lebron mostly lost - the Finals appearances are conference dependant - again, only WINNING them matters

[Bronbron23]

Scoring seemed easier this past NBA season, perhaps defense was down a bit from exhaustion of most of the elite defenders, more individual players registering high point totals as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if Europe's defense somehow stepped it up and was about even with what the NBA had to offer this past season.


Again, so by your logic LeBron is better than Bird. 4>3.

Bird had a superteam with him and still won less than LeBron and keep in mind you have Bird as a top 2-3 player ever. :oldlol:

The atg list shouldn't just be about chips but they do do matter. An argument could easily be made that bird was a better winner. He really only had 9 healthy years. Bron has had almost doubled that. If bird had 17 healthy seasons he'd most likely have more chips than bron. Bron isn't ahead of bird because he was better. He's ahead of bird because he played longer and had better longevity.

[1987_Lakers]

Bird mostly won on the Finals level, while Lebron mostly lost - the Finals appearances are conference dependant - again, only WINNING them matters

What you are saying makes no sense, you are arguing like a 5th grader and you know it. How hard headed do you have to be to not accept that LeBron has more rings than Bird? You are basically rewarding Bird for all the times he got knocked out in the ECF or in the 2nd round while LeBron made the Finals, yes Bird played in a tougher conference, but at the end of the day LeBron ended up with more championships and beat elite competition in the Finals in the process.

So you ranking Bird at #2 or #3 while having LeBron top 20 makes no sense. Both had super teams, but LeBron won more and had superior longevity so there is no room for you to talk when you say LeBron "failed" with those superteams when Bird himself also failed by your definition, but you still have him top 3 ever. You are filled with dumb contradictions.

[1987_Lakers]

The atg list shouldn't just be about chips but they do do matter. An argument could easily be made that bird was a better winner. He really only had 9 healthy years. Bron has had almost doubled that. If bird had 17 healthy seasons he'd most likely have more chips than bron. Bron isn't ahead of bird because he was better. He's ahead of bird because he played longer and had better longevity.

Both had all-time great peaks, you could argue which was better, I would personally go with LeBron cause of his defense, but when you factor in longevity it isn't close, LeBron blows Bird out of the park. Even if you argue Bird won 3 despite playing less, it wouldn't tell the full story because Bird won 3 chips from '81-'86 while Bron won 3 from '12-'16, so LeBron won 3 rings faster than Bird did.

It's also inaccurate to say Bird would have won more if he had Bron's longevity, because Boston as a franchise went to shit as the 90's hit.

[ScottieQuitting]

Lebron formed a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - no one respects his manufactured Finals streak where his super-teams beat Hibbert and Tatum... Gtfo

When he faced teams like the Bad Boys or players like MJ/KD, he was beat by record amount

Facts

[DoctorP]

Weak era of nba. Inflated stats.

[2much_knowledge]

Well. And thats a WRAP. Inflated stats fool many. Not the og's tho

[StrongLurk]

3braincells getting bodied again. Dude is the biggest loser I've ever interacted with on the internet.

Don't know why it's so hard for him to accept Lebron as the second, third, or even fourth best player of all time...like a jilted ex-lover, he is literally obsessed and addicted with tearing Lebron down at every turn. I'm surprised at this point that he still even acknowledges Lebron exists.

[ralph_i_el]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/damian-lillard-agrees-that-scoring-is-easier-in-nba-than-in-europe-in-fiba-not-as-many-fouls-calls-more-physical-refs-dont-blow-the-whistle-its-hard/ar-AAN1DY9

"I can see why," Lillard said on Luka claiming it's easier to score in the association. "Best scorers in the NBA score from three and get fouled in FIBA, not as many foul calls; more physical. Also, no defensive 3 seconds so the paint is more crowded and refs don't blow the whistle. It's hard. There's so many things that allow scoring to be easier in the NBA."

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It's over.

For years and years we had people claiming the opposite, saying the league has not gotten softer, not gotten weaker.

Everyone sees it now.

He's spot on.

[90sgoat]

He's spot on.

Lillard could be posting here, very succint.

[kawhileonard2]

7,631 PLAYOFF points

You're well behind

That’s why that guy has two bronze medals.

[ralph_i_el]

Lillard could be posting here, very succint.

Yeah that statement felt copy and pasted from here.

[3ba11]

3braincells getting bodied again. Dude is the biggest loser I've ever interacted with on the internet.

Don't know why it's so hard for him to accept Lebron as the second, third, or even fourth best player of all time...like a jilted ex-lover, he is literally obsessed and addicted with tearing Lebron down at every turn. I'm surprised at this point that he still even acknowledges Lebron exists.


When did Lebron win without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer?

Waiting..

and he MOSTLY LOST with super-teams.. so he mostly loses regardless of cast or coach and yields low team ceilings/Finals records because his skill restricttion to ball-dominance doesn't fit with most player types and yields and inferior strategy/brand of ball

[3ba11]

What you are saying makes no sense, you are arguing like a 5th grader and you know it. How hard headed do you have to be to not accept that LeBron has more rings than Bird? You are basically rewarding Bird for all the times he got knocked out in the ECF or in the 2nd round while LeBron made the Finals, yes Bird played in a tougher conference, but at the end of the day LeBron ended up with more championships and beat elite competition in the Finals in the process.

So you ranking Bird at #2 or #3 while having LeBron top 20 makes no sense. Both had super teams, but LeBron won more and had superior longevity so there is no room for you to talk when you say LeBron "failed" with those superteams when Bird himself also failed by your definition, but you still have him top 3 ever. You are filled with dumb contradictions.


You should go back to school and get an education.

Lebron's team performance against the top level (Finals level) is the worst all-time - the only reason he has more rings than Bird is because he got more Finals chances due to weak conference and stacking the deck in that conference..

Ring count is irrelevant because it's affected by conference and how many chances you got in the Finals - so only Finals record matters.

[Hey Yo]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?

[DoctorP]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?

Great question. Maybe Lillard knows why. Mills is great.

[3ba11]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?


What's his average?

We can look at the ORTG of teams in the Olympics - I'm certain that it isn't 118 like the current NBA

Accept facts - the NBA's open paint and hands-off defense is an easier scoring environment - this is intuitive - we don't need Lillard to Luka to tell us - we've known it and been saying it for years

[90sgoat]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?

Isn't as marketable to teenagers.

Dame is a rapper, which fits the teen demographic.

Teams are businesses and they are reluctant to make non-americans their stars.

[tpols]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/damian-lillard-agrees-that-scoring-is-easier-in-nba-than-in-europe-in-fiba-not-as-many-fouls-calls-more-physical-refs-dont-blow-the-whistle-its-hard/ar-AAN1DY9

"I can see why," Lillard said on Luka claiming it's easier to score in the association. "Best scorers in the NBA score from three and get fouled in FIBA, not as many foul calls; more physical. Also, no defensive 3 seconds so the paint is more crowded and refs don't blow the whistle. It's hard. There's so many things that allow scoring to be easier in the NBA."

https://media.tenor.com/images/518c979a5e9a14bea3328b00950bb089/tenor.gif

It's over.

For years and years we had people claiming the opposite, saying the league has not gotten softer, not gotten weaker.

Everyone sees it now.

Real basketball rules kill the rim runners and drive & flop players that the NBA produces. That's why KD is GOAT in real rules, he's the best shooter ever that's also a great athlete.

[90sgoat]

Real basketball rules kill the rim runners and drive & flop players that the NBA produces. That's why KD is GOAT in real rules, he's the best shooter ever that's also a great athlete.

I'm not a fan of Durant, but his skill set is definitely a cheat code for FIBA, because he can go get his shot everywhere, despite the less space. That was not at all the case for the other US players.

[tpols]

I'm not a fan of Durant, but his skill set is definitely a cheat code for FIBA, because he can go get his shot everywhere, despite the less space. That was not at all the case for the other US players.

He can do that in the NBA too even with PJ Tucker trying to put him in a head lock all game.

[Spurs m8]

3ball soitting the truth, as per usual

[Mask the Embiid]

Literally everyone who is a hardcore nba fan has said this....Its also harder to score in college basketball too.Everyone knows the NBA has banned/outlawed defense to attract the casual fan like a Proctor who only watches the sport to gossip about players he hate.

[ScottieQuitting]

Real basketball rules kill the rim runners and drive & flop players that the NBA produces. That's why KD is GOAT in real rules, he's the best shooter ever that's also a great athlete.

Getting to the rim and finishing is important. Not exclusively. Mid range and long range matter too. But that’s why D-Wade was so beastly in international competition as well. Same goes for LeBron and Kobe.

[plowking]

The biggest reason is the zone. The NBA only has a "fake" zone. Before that when Jordan was playing, you couldn't even have people hedge and help on the same side of the court.

[Bronbron23]

Both had all-time great peaks, you could argue which was better, I would personally go with LeBron cause of his defense, but when you factor in longevity it isn't close, LeBron blows Bird out of the park. Even if you argue Bird won 3 despite playing less, it wouldn't tell the full story because Bird won 3 chips from '81-'86 while Bron won 3 from '12-'16, so LeBron won 3 rings faster than Bird did.

It's also inaccurate to say Bird would have won more if he had Bron's longevity, because Boston as a franchise went to shit as the 90's hit.

Yeah but a large part of the reason it went to shit was birds back injury. They also got crazy unlucky with reggie Lewis passing

[HoopsNY]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/damian-lillard-agrees-that-scoring-is-easier-in-nba-than-in-europe-in-fiba-not-as-many-fouls-calls-more-physical-refs-dont-blow-the-whistle-its-hard/ar-AAN1DY9

"I can see why," Lillard said on Luka claiming it's easier to score in the association. "Best scorers in the NBA score from three and get fouled in FIBA, not as many foul calls; more physical. Also, no defensive 3 seconds so the paint is more crowded and refs don't blow the whistle. It's hard. There's so many things that allow scoring to be easier in the NBA."

https://media.tenor.com/images/518c979a5e9a14bea3328b00950bb089/tenor.gif

It's over.

For years and years we had people claiming the opposite, saying the league has not gotten softer, not gotten weaker.

Everyone sees it now.

The data supports it. Players aren't more capable now than they were in say, 2011. Forget about the 90s or the early 2000s. You don't have to go that far back to realize that the game has changed on a fundamental level than on a skills based level. Just look at triple double totals from 2010 and compare them to the last 5 seasons. It's evident that something is up, and it's not anyone's "skills".

[HoopsNY]

Why did Paul George have a career year with ball-dominator Westbrook while he regressed with off-ball Kawhi?

Depends on how you look at it.

PG 2021: 47% FG% | 41% 3PT% | 56% eFG% | 60% TS%
PG 2019: 44% FG% | 39% 3PT% | 53% eFG% | 58% TS%

PG seemed to outperform his career year in OKC when we look at efficiency.

[HoopsNY]

So by your logic he reduced Wade but still manged to win back to back titles with him. True GOAT.

You're a smart guy. If LeBron didn't reduce Wade, he certainly didn't elevate him. This is a trend in LeBron's career. Just look at more recently with guys like AD, Schroder, and Green.

Take Schroder with and without LeBron in 2020-21:

Schroder '21 w/LeBron: 14/4/5 on 42% FGs, 53% TS%
Schroder '21 w/o LeBron: 18/3/8 on 46% FGs, 57 TS%

[SATAN]

Does anyone think Dame wouldn't average 30 ppg in Europe? I feel like people go completely overboard on these kind of topics.

[ScottieQuitting]

The biggest reason is the zone. The NBA only has a "fake" zone. Before that when Jordan was playing, you couldn't even have people hedge and help on the same side of the court.

Yea but he played against it in college and in the 1984 Olympics and torched it.

Michael was a great cutter off the ball to get position, and is a better catch and shooter than the vast majority of the stars in the league beyond Curry. Who all need to dribble in rhythm before the put it up.

You don’t destroy a zone by being a ball dominant, off the bounce exclusively type of scorer.

So he could destroy a zone by knowing where to cut and catch. Pros should have the knowledge from playing in college against zones knowing how to destroy them.

[72-10]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?

kill yourself

[72-10]

Real basketball rules kill the rim runners and drive & flop players that the NBA produces. That's why KD is GOAT in real rules, he's the best shooter ever that's also a great athlete.

He's actually nowhere near the best shooter although he might think he is.

[72-10]

wow this thread sure got clogged AND polluted with chunk of shit posts

[Axe]

kill yourself
:roll:

[72-10]

:roll:

I'll bet you one of them is dead now.

[72-10]

The biggest reason is the zone. The NBA only has a "fake" zone. Before that when Jordan was playing, you couldn't even have people hedge and help on the same side of the court.

There were a lot of Illegal Defense called.

superb shooter that he is, Jordan's gonna shoot over the top of that zone

[8Ball]

Patty Mills dropped 42 today.

Why isnt he as franchise player in the NBA if it's much easier to score?

Most dominating Olympic performance by a guy that can't even get a starting roll in the NBA:

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Patty Mills dominates international play though :oldlol:

[8Ball]

What's his average?

We can look at the ORTG of teams in the Olympics - I'm certain that it isn't 118 like the current NBA

Accept facts - the NBA's open paint and hands-off defense is an easier scoring environment - this is intuitive - we don't need Lillard to Luka to tell us - we've known it and been saying it for years

The last time Patty Mills dropped 42 in NBA competition (so easy to score) was.....


NEVER

:roll:

[8Ball]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/damian-lillard-agrees-that-scoring-is-easier-in-nba-than-in-europe-in-fiba-not-as-many-fouls-calls-more-physical-refs-dont-blow-the-whistle-its-hard/ar-AAN1DY9

"I can see why," Lillard said on Luka claiming it's easier to score in the association. "Best scorers in the NBA score from three and get fouled in FIBA, not as many foul calls; more physical. Also, no defensive 3 seconds so the paint is more crowded and refs don't blow the whistle. It's hard. There's so many things that allow scoring to be easier in the NBA."

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It's over.

For years and years we had people claiming the opposite, saying the league has not gotten softer, not gotten weaker.

Everyone sees it now.


Wrong.


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Patty Mills dominates international play yet can never score 40 points in hundreds of NBA games. :lol

[Hey Yo]

Yea but he played against it in college and in the 1984 Olympics and torched it.

Michael was a great cutter off the ball to get position, and is a better catch and shooter than the vast majority of the stars in the league beyond Curry. Who all need to dribble in rhythm before the put it up.

You don’t destroy a zone by being a ball dominant, off the bounce exclusively type of scorer.

So he could destroy a zone by knowing where to cut and catch. Pros should have the knowledge from playing in college against zones knowing how to destroy them.

Jordan already said his career wouldn't have been as great if zone D was allowed.

[2much_knowledge]

Wrong.


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Patty Mills dominates international play yet can never score 40 points in hundreds of NBA games. :lol

You're basing your pathetic analysis off one big game? As if any pro isn't capable of going off like that

[8Ball]

You're basing your pathetic analysis off one big game? As if any pro isn't capable of going off like that

When did patty mills ever do this in hundreds of NBA games?

[90sgoat]

When did patty mills ever do this in hundreds of NBA games?

If Patty had been the number one option on an NBA team, he would have done so many times.

[90sgoat]

Does anyone think Dame wouldn't average 30 ppg in Europe? I feel like people go completely overboard on these kind of topics.

Lol, he'd struggle to score 20.

In FIBA ball, all he has is the long 3.

[Hey Yo]

If Patty had been the number one option on an NBA team, he would have done so many times.

So you're saying that Mills should be the first option for the Nets this season? I mean, if he's dropping 42 in the Olympics where it's allegedly much tougher to score, he should be able to avg. 40+ in the NBA, correct?

[90sgoat]

So you're saying that Mills should be the first option for the Nets this season? I mean, if he's dropping 42 in the Olympics where it's allegedly much tougher to score, he should be able to avg. 40+ in the NBA, correct?

Sure, why not?

[ralph_i_el]

Does anyone think Dame wouldn't average 30 ppg in Europe? I feel like people go completely overboard on these kind of topics.

He wouldn't get close. Go look at the ppg leader numbers.

[MrFonzworth]

kill yourself

Oops:yaohappy:

[k0kakw0rld]

If Patty had been the number one option on an NBA team, he would have done so many times.

Because he can not be and that is the reason why.

[k0kakw0rld]

Lol, he'd struggle to score 20.

In FIBA ball, all he has is the long 3.
FIBA Ball is BS.

[JohnMax]

1992 olympics

jordone - 14.9 ppg (45.1% fgs, 21.1 3pt%) on 14.1 fga = 1.05 points per shot

i think it's probably because he's not as protected by the officials as he was in the nba.

notice how lebron didn't have this problem because he's used to not getting soft calls.

2008 olympics

lebron - 15.5 ppg (60.2 fg%, 46.4 3pt%) on 10.4 fga = 1.49 points per shot

2012 olympics

lebron - 13.3 ppg (60.3 fg%, 30.0 3pt%) on 9.1 fga = 1.45 points per shot

[paksat]

1992 olympics

jordone - 14.9 ppg (45.1% fgs, 21.1 3pt%) on 14.1 fga = 1.05 points per shot

i think it's probably because he's not as protected by the officials as he was in the nba.

notice how lebron didn't have this problem because he's used to not getting soft calls.

2008 olympics

lebron - 15.5 ppg (60.2 fg%, 46.4 3pt%) on 10.4 fga = 1.49 points per shot

2012 olympics

lebron - 13.3 ppg (60.3 fg%, 30.0 3pt%) on 9.1 fga = 1.45 points per shot

I mean for the record, mj didn't take the olympics seriously at all

up all night gambling, getting 1 hour of sleep, showing up drunk to practice basically lol

i'm just sayin, he clearly wasn't taking it srs

[Axe]

I'll bet you one of them is dead now.
Nope, they're still lurking like the vermin they are.

[FKAri]

I mean for the record, mj didn't take the olympics seriously at all

up all night gambling, getting 1 hour of sleep, showing up drunk to practice basically lol

i'm just sayin, he clearly wasn't taking it srs

Of course not. 92 Olympics was a marketing stunt. But so was his entire NBA career. The first completely manufactured NBA superstar ever. It's why MJ got lazier and lazier over his career.

[TheCorporation]

Of course not. 92 Olympics was a marketing stunt. But so was his entire NBA career. The first completely manufactured NBA superstar ever. It's why MJ got lazier and lazier over his career.

He definitely spotted a glitch in the NBA Matrix when Hornacek scored 10 ppg in the Finals as the opposing team's #2 option. It just had to be scripted

[guy]

You guys are really gonna argue against a player who just played in those rules.. you are a funny lol

:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

The biggest reason is the zone. The NBA only has a "fake" zone. Before that when Jordan was playing, you couldn't even have people hedge and help on the same side of the court.

What a tolling liar. Unfortunately for your dumbass there's alot of video evidence that proves otherwise https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRuItRQ6_s

[RogueBorg]

Being 2/4 is a failure?

Yes, especially when one of those losses was to Dallas...epic fail.

[Airupthere]

What a tolling liar. Unfortunately for your dumbass there's alot of video evidence that proves otherwise https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRuItRQ6_s

Wtf did I just watch :applause:

[3ba11]

The biggest reason is the zone. The NBA only has a "fake" zone. Before that when Jordan was playing, you couldn't even have people hedge and help on the same side of the court.


There was legal paint-camping in Jordan's era - the rules literally said you could paint-camp indefinitely if your man was within 3 feet on either side of the paint, and the rules specify hash marks on the baseline to denote the 3 feet

That's why the paint looked like a crowded night club on every possession back then, while today's defensive 3 seconds keeps the paint clear, like Lillard said..

Infact, the defensive 3 seconds rule allows ball-handlers to time their drive for when defenders are vacating the paint (to avoid the 3 second count), so today's rules mandate that help defenders run AWAY from penetrators (if the penetrator times his drive correctly)

[8Ball]

If Patty had been the number one option on an NBA team, he would have done so many times.

Why wasn't Patty Mills a number 1 option for ANY NBA team and he immediately is number 1 option for some random dog shit international team?


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[Euroleague]

Kobe
Rubio
Lillard
Doncic

They all said it is easier to score in the NBA than in FIBA competitions / EuroLeague.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe
Rubio
Lillard
Doncic

They all said it is easier to score in the NBA than in FIBA competitions / EuroLeague.

And yet, USA still dominates other countries with FIBA rules, just simply better.

[Euroleague]

And yet, USA still dominates other countries with FIBA rules, just simply better.

87 - 82 isn't domination. That's not considered domination in any league on the planet.

[ralph_i_el]

Why wasn't Patty Mills a number 1 option for ANY NBA team and he immediately is number 1 option for some random dog shit international team?


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Patty Mills was a #1 option when he's on the floor for Spurs bench units, and the Spurs bench was one of the best in the league for years. There are guys who have top tier scoring ability, but don't play big minutes for other reasons.

[fsvr54]

87 - 82 isn't domination. That's not considered domination in any league on the planet.

Very true

[72-10]

Of course not. 92 Olympics was a marketing stunt. But so was his entire NBA career. The first completely manufactured NBA superstar ever. It's why MJ got lazier and lazier over his career.

Are you sure that's what you want to go with?