Even Michael Jordan had trouble scoring when he returned in the NBA in 2001

[Lebron23]

I think the 1999-2005 NBA was the low scoring era. Jordan had a couple of single digits and under 20 ppg scoring. I think plenty of low scoring games in that era.

[Lebron23]

I just watched some of his highlights against Vince Carter. And MJ only averaged 14 ppg against him in the 4 games they played.

[72-10]

Pace ground down to a halt.

[Lebron23]

Pace ground down to a halt.

Yeah. I think only few NBA teams scored over 110 points in that era. That's the main reason the NBA changed the rules in 2006. I remember Peja Stojakovic averaged 24 ppg and being top 5 in scoring.

[72-10]

Yeah. I think only few NBA teams scored over 110 points in that era. That's the main reason the NBA changed the rules in 2006. I remember Peja Stojakovic averaged 24 ppg and being top 5 in scoring.

Hardly a team cleared 100 points per game or gave up 100 per game. Many teams ran stagnant offenses, the Bulls notwithstanding. Only the Suns, Kings and Lakers were truly great offenses from that era.:rolleyes:

[StrongLurk]

Bro MJ was old as hell when he came back...prime MJ would've obviously performed better.

[90sgoat]

MJ was a jump shooter who suddenly could only jump half as high.

Messes up the arch.

I remember Ray Allen bricking left and right in his last few years.

[72-10]

MJ was a jump shooter who suddenly could only jump half as high.

Messes up the arch.

I remember Ray Allen bricking left and right in his last few years.

yeah, their calves are shot by then, not much elevation

Jerry West jayed all the time, and it's a wonder he scored efficiently late in his career considering the frenetic pace and the fact that he'd shoot it on a line drive

[Axe]

Remember, he also lost to this guy.

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[juju151111]

I think the 1999-2005 NBA was the low scoring era. Jordan had a couple of single digits and under 20 ppg scoring. I think plenty of low scoring games in that era.

Mj had no trouble scoring. He was 38 years old who had surgery before season started. He was leading his team to the playoffs before his injury at washed up 38.

[Bronbron23]

I think the 1999-2005 NBA was the low scoring era. Jordan had a couple of single digits and under 20 ppg scoring. I think plenty of low scoring games in that era.

Come on bruh. Mj was 40 years old. Anyone who actually watched the games knows he was a shell of his prime self.

[3ba11]

At first, the Wizards 2001/02 season started off very poorly, as they went 2-9, but were 26-21 by the All-star break even with Rip Hamilton missing 5 weeks in that stretch due to a groin injury.

When Rip and Jordan both played, the Wizards were 15-1 in the last 16 games that both of them played before the injury happened.. A healthy Jordan and Rip Hamilton throughout the season realistically could have competed for the East's number 1 seed.


In the 46 games that Jordan played in 01/02 before the injury, he averaged
25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42%

In his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged
27.5 - 6.4 - 5.2 - 1.3 - 0.5 on 44%

In his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged
29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%

[Axe]

At first, the Wizards 2001/02 season started off very poorly, as they went 2-9, but were 26-21 by the All-star break even with Rip Hamilton missing 5 weeks in that stretch due to a groin injury.

When Rip and Jordan both played, the Wizards were 15-1 in the last 16 games that both of them played before the injury happened.. A healthy Jordan and Rip Hamilton throughout the season realistically could have competed for the East's number 1 seed.


In the 46 games that Jordan played in 01/02 before the injury, he averaged
25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42%

In his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged
27.5 - 6.4 - 5.2 - 1.3 - 0.5 on 44%

In his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged
29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%
Poor doug collins was never able to lead this team to a playoff spot, despite you claiming he was a better coach than phil jackson ever was.

[3ba11]

Poor doug collins was never able to lead this team to a playoff spot, despite you claiming he was a better coach than phil jackson ever was.


Phil inherited a team on the cusp of the Finals and lost in 90' for the same reason Collins lost in 89' - Pippen quit once the series was tied - he quit in 89' when the series was tied 2-2, and he quit in 90' when the series was tied 3-3... True story

If Jordan had rejected the triangle, no one would have heard of Phil Jackson.. We wouldn't know who he was... But Jordan reluctantly lent his skills to the triangle and invented the footwork needed to produce a lot and carry the team within that offense.. Kobe then copied this footwork.. Ultimately, the triangle didn't win anything for 50 years until it met the goat bailout artists it needed to win (MJ, Kobe) - then it won 11 times in 18 years.

[Axe]

Outside of chicago, doug collins had two chances with mj to make his new team playoff contenders but unfortunately they went nowhere. Don't be a retard. Stick to these facts.

[3ba11]

Outside of chicago, doug collins had two chances with mj to make his new team playoff contenders but unfortunately they went nowhere. Don't be a retard.


You're talking about 40-year old MJ in his first 2 years with a team (where he led them to 18 more wins, aka better than anything Lebron ever did), yet i'm being retarded?

Jordan was the goat candidate in 1990, while Phil Jackson was a 1st time, nobody coach, just like 2006 Mike Brown

[Axe]

Just like doug collins who was also a nobody back then but unlike the zen master, has never led any teams to a title in his whole coaching career. Yet for some odd reason you still think he's better than the latter.

[3ba11]

Just like doug collins who was also a nobody back then but unlike the zen master, has never led any teams to a title in his whole coaching career. Yet for some odd reason you still think he's better than the latter.


Collins was fired after only 2 seasons - in those 2 seasons, he led the Bulls from 1st Round loser to the cusp of the Finals... Phil picked up where Collins left off and lost in 90' just like Collins did in 89'

Only Jordan's goat skill allowed a 50-year failing offense to finally win (Jordan passed this skill on to Kobe)... Jordan and Kobe are the only wings skilled enough to produce a lot in the triangle.. Phil is just a lucky c*nt... he's a cool peace-piper so players like him though - better than getting yelled at by George Karl or Carlisimo

[SaintzFury13]

I think the 1999-2005 NBA was the low scoring era. Jordan had a couple of single digits and under 20 ppg scoring. I think plenty of low scoring games in that era.

The man literally had no knees to work with. You're stretching a bit with this one.

[Axe]

Collins was fired after only 2 seasons - in those 2 seasons, he led the Bulls from 1st Round loser to the cusp of the Finals... Phil picked up where Collins left off and lost in 90' just like Collins did in 89'

Only Jordan's goat skill allowed a 50-year failing offense to finally win (Jordan passed this skill on to Kobe)... Jordan and Kobe are the only wings skilled enough to produce a lot in the triangle.. Phil is just a lucky c*nt... he's a cool peace-piper so players like him though - better than getting yelled at by George Karl or Carlisimo
Kobe had shaq in their respective three-peat, who won finals mvp in all those runs. Again, don't be a retard.

[72-10]

Just like doug collins who was also a nobody back then but unlike the zen master, has never led any teams to a title in his whole coaching career. Yet for some odd reason you still think he's better than the latter.

How could you call Doug a nobody? For instance, he was a great player.

[Axe]

How could you call Doug a nobody? For instance, he was a great player.
Only said that because 3ball called phil jackson a nobody coach.

[8Ball]

I think the 1999-2005 NBA was the low scoring era. Jordan had a couple of single digits and under 20 ppg scoring. I think plenty of low scoring games in that era.

Jordan's game was 100% based off athleticism, doesn't have high skill like Bron to age gracefully on the NBA court.

[8Ball]

You're talking about 40-year old MJ in his first 2 years with a team (where he led them to 18 more wins, aka better than anything Lebron ever did), yet i'm being retarded?

Jordan was the goat candidate in 1990, while Phil Jackson was a 1st time, nobody coach, just like 2006 Mike Brown

No excuses.

It was only jordans 14 and 15 year filled with load management seasons off.


Bron in his 14 and 15th year was competing for championships.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

This thread ain’t it! :lol