The 20th century was just insane. It would take sci-fi horror shit to top that.

[999Guy]

Everything about it. I’m a young guy so I didn’t really understand Mike Tyson and the hype and the aura besides the talent, which is easy to see but this guy was legitimately out of his mind. And I’m finding this out it the past week just slowly learning about him.


There aren’t athletes with the mystique and aura of Ali, Jordan, Tyson, even the old baseball guys in the 20’s, 30’s, etc and the roid heads. Magic, Bird, Gretzky.

I thought the 20th century fell off some time in the 80’s and 90’s, but that’s when culture was REAL. There were no publicity stunts. Everything was still new. Rivalries were real, ignorance was real, so people were like trying shit with the balls and ferociousness of idiots, I.e the Cold War and MAD. That would never happen now. Politicians are so fake on every level. It’s all about money.

They’d never try and kill us all for a political ideology. No one is using nukes until maybe global warming starts cooking places like Pakistan and India but if you need the sun to burn your ass for you to get violent, is it really that real?

The Mafia actually killed people. People really did crack until they became these dangerous street zombies.

Pablo Escobar wasn’t a mad business man like El Chapo, he was a god damn terrorist, and one of the richest men ever. Tyson was truly absolutely an insane ball of testosterone and paving a new path of violent entertainment. And genuinely did it. Not like McGregor or Mayweather. This guy tried to pay a zookeeper to fight a gorilla. At the height of his career.

And it’s a pre-Chimp eats ladies face world, so you know what? I bet he genuinely thought something not horrible would happen to him.

And that’s just in the 80’s and 90’s. It was real, non-contrived time. Lead in the water supply. Just a ****ing ridiculously entertaining period of humanity.

And that’s after two world wars, tons and tons global changes, and revolutions, and technological advances.


In some ways things are getting better when it comes to technology but there really isn’t the raw humanity of the 20th century. I don’t think it’ll be seen again for quite some time. Like after we’re dead some time.

I guess the 21st century is about to be nuts for technology and climate change alone but the raw beliefs clashing, and actual discovery of the 20th century. And the newness of like tons of different things. Like being a global celebrity was some new shit for a few decades there in the 60’s and on. Now I can reach any douche with a laptop in no time.

It’s just different, and really worse in a lot of ways. BUT things are better, I guess.

I’ve been looking for a book the past few years that like really goes over just how insane and how human the 20th century was, and I can’t find something that like really covers it all. Or tries to anyway.

[FKAri]

P.T. Barnum died in 1891. So things have been fake and contrived since at least then. In fact, the 20th century is where fake shit, contrived garbage, and mass marketing was refined. And this was all filtered and disseminated through a monolithic mass media. State radio or a handful of television networks, newspapers, very few options in general. Everyone watched the same shit, heard the same news, and was fed the same ideology and entertainment. Nowadays you have a lot more choice. The choice has outpaced the further refinement of mass marketing. That's not necessarily better, society is more fractured as everyone watches different shows, listens to different music, believes a different interpretation of reality, and grows further apart from the everyone else. You know how many % of households watched The Beatles on Ed Sullivan? That'd never happen today.

You repeatedly mention Tyson and he(and boxing) is the perfect example of contrived BS. You talk about his aura, his commercial appeal, and the marketing behind him. But what was his actual ability? Who did he actually beat? His two biggest fights are losses to fighters who aren't as nostalgically remembered. Hell it doesn't get any more contrived and BS then Don King.

[1987_Lakers]

The technological advancements from 1900 to 2000 is pretty mind blowing.

[Axe]

You can blame internet and social media nowadays for that.

[FultzNationRISE]

In 1973, a computer program was developed at MIT to model global sustainability. Instead, it predicted that by 2040 our civilization would end.

The prediction, which recently re-appeared in Australian media, was made by a program dubbed World One. It was originally created by the computer pioneer Jay Forrester, who was commissioned by the Club of Rome to model how well the world could sustain its growth.


Jay Wright Forrester was a pioneering American computer engineer and systems scientist. He is credited with being one of the inventors of magnetic core memory, the predominant form of random-access computer memory during the most explosive years of digital computer development (between 1955 and 1975)

Forrester was the founder of system dynamics, which deals with the simulation of interactions between objects in dynamic systems. Industrial Dynamics was the first book Forrester wrote using system dynamics to analyze industrial business cycles. Several years later, interactions with former Boston Mayor John F. Collins led Forrester to write Urban Dynamics, which sparked an ongoing debate on the feasibility of modeling broader social problems. The book went on to influence the video game SimCity.

The urban dynamics model attracted the attention of urban planners around the world, eventually leading Forrester to meet a founder of the Club of Rome. He later met with the Club of Rome to discuss issues surrounding global sustainability; the book World Dynamics followed. World Dynamics took on modeling the complex interactions of the world economy, population and ecology, which was controversial


[B]The Club of Rome was founded in 1968 at Accademia dei Lincei in Rome, Italy. It consists of one hundred full members selected from current and former heads of state and government, UN administrators, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.[1] It stimulated considerable public attention in 1972 with the first report to the Club of Rome, The Limits to Growth.


The Club of Rome stimulated considerable public attention with the first report to the club, The Limits to Growth.[4] Published in 1972, its computer simulations suggested that economic growth could not continue indefinitely because of resource depletion. The 1973 oil crisis increased public concern about this problem. The report went on to sell 30 million copies in more than 30 languages, making it the best-selling environmental book in history.[5]

Even before The Limits to Growth was published, Eduard Pestel and Mihajlo Mesarovic of Case Western Reserve University had begun work on a far more elaborate model (it distinguished ten world regions and involved 200,000 equations compared with 1,000 in the Meadows model). The research had the full support of the club and its final publication, Mankind at the Turning Point was accepted as the official "second report" to the Club of Rome in 1974.[6][7] In addition to providing a more refined regional breakdown, Pestel and Mesarovic had succeeded in integrating social as well as technical data. The second report revised the scenarios of the original Limits to Growth and gave a more optimistic prognosis for the future of the environment, noting that many of the factors involved were within human control and therefore that environmental and economic catastrophe were preventable or avoidable.

In 1991, the club published The First Global Revolution.[8] It analyses the problems of humanity, calling these collectively or in essence the "problematique". It notes that, historically, social or political unity has commonly been motivated by enemies in common: "The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself—when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing."[9] "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised."[9] "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."

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[FultzNationRISE]

The point is that growth is a near prerequisite for stability. Entropy is a thing. You cannot remain static for long. Either you grow or you decline. Society has generally been growing since the dawn of man.

Our entire banking/financial system is predicated on investment, which ibso facto requires growth to be successful. Where a doctor or a mechanic or a clothier can make ends meet by servicing the same amount of customers his whole life, a stock must grow to be successful. You cannot sell a stock for the same price you bought it, or youve achieved nothing. The finances of the wealthy, as well as the retirement accounts etc of the masses are all tied to perceived value, which is inextricably tied to growth.

However, the planet has a finite limit for population growth and energy consumption. And we are reaching it. So things have to change dramatically, right now. However, if we change them... a lot of things may collapse. We would all prefer to avoid a collapse, however the consequences are most dire for two groups: The top - people who have the most financially, also have the most to lose financially. And the weak - who inherently have the least security and assurance in a chaotic society. Luckily for wealthy billionaires who want to keep their holdings, the scared and ignorant masses are extremely obedient and loyal to partisan direction, in exchange for "reassures of virtue," and more importantly the subconscious belief that they will be financially rewarded in the long run for picking the side the billionaires in charge want them to.

So the wealthy "vanguards of the future" are indeed attempting to navigate through a difficult situation, however they're doing so in a decidedly self-interested and unaccountable way, rather than in democratic fashion. They are able to get away with this because betas are so fundamentally loyal to them that truly democratic dialogue and problem solving is useless. Betas contribute minimally to meaningful dialogue anyway, and therefore simply decide where to commit their collective weight based on more primitive considerations. This is a hard cycle to break. Impossible, seemingly.

[FultzNationRISE]

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[Im Still Ballin]

The 20th century gets all the hype because of technological development; it supercharged marketing to a whole new level. The cultural figures of that era are really no greater than the ones that came before them. Imagine if Genghis Khan had TV, internet, radio, and social media coverage... Hitler who!?!

[Axe]

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Copy/pasting from wikipedia i see