Isn't Lebron supposed to make all of his team mates better?

[Cyrus334]

How did Schroder and Harrel both go from being Six Man of the Year's/runner ups to trade garbage in one year with Lebron? Marc Gasol was instrumental in the Raptors winning a ring two seasons ago, where was he last year? Kuzma used to have his own circle jerk among Laker fans for how much of a steal he was in the 2nd round draft and now he's a worthless bum. Even Anthony Davis, all of his numbers are down from when he was in New Orleans. All of their stats are down since the moment they teamed up with Lebron.

Since he became a Laker, what players has Lebron actually made better?

[Lebron23]

LeBron led the Cavaliers in the NBA finals with Daniel Gibson, and Kevin Love as his 2nd scoring option.

[Manny98]

LeBron led the Cavaliers in the NBA finals with Daniel Gibson, and Kevin Love as his 2nd scoring option.

Kevin Love went from a 26/12 superstar to a spot up shooting soft big man

He's probably one of the best examples of players that were ruined by Bron Ball

[Lebron23]

Kevin Love went from a 26/12 superstar to a spot up shooting soft big man

He's probably one of the best examples of players that were ruined by Bron Ball

Love put up empty stats in Minnesota.

[Manny98]

Love put up empty stats in Minnesota.

No he didn't the second best player on the team was Rick Rubio and they would have made the playoffs if Pekovic was healthy

He had to completely change his style of play to accommodate to LeBrons style of play.

[Nb1]

Lol at this. Middleton and Jrue also put up better numbers when Giannie wasnt around, does that mean Giannis made them worse? Harden put up worse numbers with KD, its just that your role changes depending who you're playing with.. If a good player plays in a team of scrubs he'll be the main scorer and have better numbers, if he has to share with other good players his numbers will most likely go down

[8Ball]

Kevin Love went from a 26/12 superstar to a spot up shooting soft big man

He's probably one of the best examples of players that were ruined by Bron Ball

Soft like charmin.

What would Kobe say to this ***** ass shit.


Kevin Love's game isn't compatible with any other player except if he wants to go for high lottery picks. You weren't born yet when Kevin Love joined the Cavs.

[bison]

Lebron making teammates better was always myth held by the media in order to prop up his overrated passing skills. In reality, Bron Ball has ruined the careers of so many of his teammates.

[Manny98]

Soft like charmin.

What would Kobe say to this ***** ass shit.


Kevin Love's game isn't compatible with any other player except if he wants to go for high lottery picks. You weren't born yet when Kevin Love joined the Cavs.
Lebron made him soft

He was the best power forward in basketball on the Timberwolves, absolute monster

[8Ball]

Lebron made him soft

He was the best power forward in basketball on the Timberwolves, absolute monster

Like Kobe made Dwight soft?


If Kevin Love cant handle playing basketball next to the alpha of alphas that aint brons problem. Sit down and stfu if you cant play. Soft like a blanket.


Kyrie had his best season next to bron and kyrie is the biggest head case of all time.

[8Ball]

Lebron making teammates better was always myth held by the media in order to prop up his overrated passing skills. In reality, Bron Ball has ruined the careers of so many of his teammates.


Wrong.


Zero careers ruined. Wade and Bosh were crying when Bron left. They didn't know what to do with themselves when he dumped their asses.



Bron has gotten his teammates paid better than jordan ever did. Or kobe.


Jr smith. Paid.
TT. Paid.
Kevin love. Paid.
Kyrie. Paid.
Mozgov. Paid.
Delly. Paid
Caruso. Paid.
Bosh. Paid.
Wade. Paid.


The greatest teammate of all time.

[Manny98]

Imagine calling a guy who switches team every time the going gets tough "alpha of alphas" :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Imagine calling a guy who switches team every time the going gets tough "alpha of alphas" :oldlol:

?????



Are you talking about Durant? Leaves OKC when he gets his ass kicked by Warriors up 3-1.


Leaves warriors because Draymon green called him a bitch. :roll:


Bron joins lottery teams like an alpha to build them.

[8Ball]

Mann98 you don't know how to be a Bron hater. You just repeat whatever you see on twitter since you are barely 18 years old with milk under your nose.


You can't hang with me in a debate.

[Manny98]

?????



Are you talking about Durant? Leaves OKC when he gets his ass kicked by Warriors up 3-1.


Leaves warriors because Draymon green called him a bitch. :roll:


Bron joins lottery teams like an alpha to build them.
Look at this weak deflection

Nobody is talking about KD who destroyed your boy in the finals their last two meetings

I have lost count of the amount of times LeBron has quit on his team

Don't ever put his name and alpha in the same sentence again, that's disrespectful to real alphas

[8Ball]

Look at this weak deflection

Nobody is talking about KD who destroyed your boy in the finals their last two meetings

I have lost count of the amount of times LeBron has quit on his team

Don't ever put his name and alpha in the same sentence again, that's disrespectful to real alphas

Look at this weak deflection.

Durant quit when he was up 3-1 against golden state. Bron was down 3-1 and spanked that same team.
Durant quit Golden state when Green called him a bitch.
When Green called Bron a bitch, Bron made Green cry in the parking lot after game 7.

I have lost count of the amount of times Durant has quit.

Don't ever put his name and alpha in the same sentence again, that's disrespectful to real alphas like Bron.

[Manny98]

Thread about LeBron not making his teammates better

Bron Stans - "bu but but Durant :cry:"

Both Durant and LeBron are betas but it was LeBron who paved the way for Durant and others with the decision aka the most bitch made move in Sports history at that point

[LAL]

Thread about LeBron not making his teammates better

Bron Stans - "bu but but Durant :cry:"

Both Durant and LeBron are betas but it was LeBron who paved the way for Durant and others with the decision aka the most bitch made move in Sports history at that point

Facts.

[deathawaitu]

Lebrons turns all superstars into trash or spot shooters

Lebron couldn’t even make it to the finals with shaq

Kobe and wade > Lebron

[ShawkFactory]

Lebrons turns all superstars into trash or spot shooters

Lebron couldn’t even make it to the finals with shaq

Kobe and wade > Lebron

Do you enjoy just repeating buzz words?

[8Ball]

Thread about LeBron not making his teammates better

Bron Stans - "bu but but Durant :cry:"

Both Durant and LeBron are betas but it was LeBron who paved the way for Durant and others with the decision aka the most bitch made move in Sports history at that point


Wrong.

Bron has gotten his teammates all paid. How come their best paydays happened during Bron's tenure? All these players had their best career years next to Bron.


Jr smith. Paid.
TT. Paid.
Kevin love. Paid.
Kyrie. Paid.
Mozgov. Paid.
Delly. Paid
Caruso. Paid.
Bosh. Paid.
Wade. Paid.
Kuzma. Paid.
KCP. Paid.



Manny98, you turned from being right to 100% wrong all the time. You can't hang with me. Sit down kid. Go back to school.

[MrFonzworth]

https://youtu.be/73vGdCaC048

[jmcwilliams]

This criticism is so ignorant. Yes you can be the statistical best player on A shit team and never win anything let alone even make the playoffs. Last time I checked basketball is a team sport. ISO ball is not winning ball. Ask the Nets. Last I ckecked those guys you mentioned all have A legit ring now.

[8Ball]

This criticism is so ignorant. Yes you can be the statistical best player on A shit team and never win anything let alone even make the playoffs. Last time I checked basketball is a team sport. ISO ball is not winning ball. Ask the Nets. Last I ckecked those guys you mentioned all have A legit ring now.

LeBron haters are all low IQ.


Nobody talks about a player's stats going down during Olympic play, it's all about team contributions + defence. The narrative changes for Bron teams because LEBRon is the GOAT and it bothers people.

[Manny98]

Wrong.

Bron has gotten his teammates all paid. How come their best paydays happened during Bron's tenure? All these players had their best career years next to Bron.


Jr smith. Paid.
TT. Paid.
Kevin love. Paid.
Kyrie. Paid.
Mozgov. Paid.
Delly. Paid
Caruso. Paid.
Bosh. Paid.
Wade. Paid.
Kuzma. Paid.
KCP. Paid.



Manny98, you turned from being right to 100% wrong all the time. You can't hang with me. Sit down kid. Go back to school.
What has this got to do with thread or my post?

More deflections

[TheCorporation]

Stats again OP? If stats are all that matters then be careful because LeBron has godly stats compared to MJ, plus Pippen has godly stats compared to all other 90s #2 options.

It's a win for us either way :pimp: Thanks for playing, enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

[8Ball]

What has this got to do with thread or my post?

More deflections

Bron made his teammates better = They got paid with massive contracts.

Keep up.

[8Ball]

Stats again OP? If stats are all that matters then be careful because LeBron has godly stats compared to MJ, plus Pippen has godly stats compared to all other 90s #2 options.

It's a win for us either way :pimp: Thanks for playing, enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

My sunday will be:

BBQing this 45$ Bavette steak for a slow cook roast -> pita sandwich -> wine.

Can't wait.

[Manny98]

Bron made his teammates better = They got paid with massive contracts.

Keep up.
Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

[jmcwilliams]

Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

I dont know that ball dominant play style is the best way to put it. Its his system. Lebron knows (as well as any other astute observer) that he has A much better basketball IQ than just about anyone else in the league. Lebron is an unusual player in that he brings A whole system with him. He isnt just the head of the beast he is the beast. I have criticized Bron ball myself due to its obvious weaknesses. However, if he has the correct pieces it works and he knows it. I think Rondo was Lebron's greatest asset A couple of years back because he had no issue confronting Lebron and taking things in A different direction when Bronball wasnt working. Now that Lebron is getting older, this "ball dominant style" isnt as effective as it once was because he gets mentally and physically tired much easier. Which is why, ideally, at this stage you want to surround Lebron with other High IQ players that Lebron trusts. Lebron knew that he could Trust Rondo's decision making. I would argue that that is far more important in Lebrons mind than any athleticism that someone would bring. When Rondo was running his squad Bron could sit out and get as much rest as needed and things would be in good hands. The above point is why I think Westbrook is A nightmare situation for Lebron. Low IQ player who makes up for it with unusual athleticism, which is now somewhat in decline. This is not very helpful.

[TheCorporation]

My sunday will be:

BBQing this 45$ Bavette steak for a slow cook roast -> pita sandwich -> wine.

Can't wait.

Excellent, my weekend was great as well. Attended a nice wedding on Saturday and now we're in Stanford today. Woke up to another nice day because we stay winning

https://i.postimg.cc/sfQb7yCV/Zppz-zppz-pzpz-zpppzpzpzpzpppzzp.jpg



Game recognize game :cheers:

[SaintzFury13]

Love put up empty stats in Minnesota.

Those "empty stats" more often than not prevented the games the Timberwolves had from being massacres on a daily basis. It's not his fault the franchise never came anywhere close to building a cohesive unit around him. I can't even begin to tell you how many times Kevin Love had to put up legitimate video game numbers just to give his team close wins.


Lebron made him soft

He was the best power forward in basketball on the Timberwolves, absolute monster

LeBron didn't make him soft. Kevin Love always had injury and mental health issues before he came to Cleveland. His biggest mistake was slimming down when he came to the Cavaliers. He had more weight in Minnesota which allowed his body to at least take more damage when he constantly battled with other bigs down-low to fight for possessions.


Like Kobe made Dwight soft?


If Kevin Love cant handle playing basketball next to the alpha of alphas that aint brons problem. Sit down and stfu if you cant play. Soft like a blanket.


Kyrie had his best season next to bron and kyrie is the biggest head case of all time.

We're really going to pretend that Kevin Love didn't have more to deal with than just playing alongside LeBron, something Chris Bosh himself has stated is not an easy thing to do? Kevin was always the one who took constant shit from both the media, Cavaliers fans, and sometimes even his own teammates, and most of the time it wasn't even his own fault. He came to Cleveland with the intention of being part of a winning culture, but was forced to make the most sacrifices out of anyone who got there. Even JR Smith didn't need to make any sacrifices (who, by the way, LeBron absolutely made a better player and anyone who disagrees is a moron). Kevin Love's postgame, which was always what he based his play around, was completely taken away from him by David Blatt who felt he would be of better use being a stretch four. This in return took away a lot of his offensive rebounding, which was also a major part of his game. And moronic Cleveland fans, who didn't watch a single minute of Kevin in Minnesota, all thought he was an overrated bust of a player who had no business being given the money that Cleveland was paying him when he resigned with the team, when in reality he was actually a much better player in Minnesota than Kyrie Irving was in Cleveland. In reality, Kevin was probably the most perfect all star teammate LeBron could have ever asked for. He stretched the floor for him, was extremely unselfish with a high basketball IQ, and was a terrific passing PF. And a lot of people tend to forget that even with all of this in mind, and even with how limited Love became in Cleveland, he still managed to grab two more all star team selections with the Cavaliers while having some notable performances, including his 34 point in the first quarter game, his 31/11 game against Toronto in the playoffs in 2018, and a 21 rebounding performance in the 2017 NBA Finals of game 1 which, by the way, is currently an NBA record.

Oh, and all of this by the way, happened despite Kevin choosing to opt out of his contract, and resign with Cleveland for a much less expensive contract when he could have opted in, waited for the year, and then resigned when the new TV deal kicked in which would have given him a lot more money than what he got.

Don't try to claim Kevin Love is soft. He put up with more shit than anyone that I've ever had to see put up with when he became part of something that should have been an incredibly special experience for him. And it probably still was, since in the end he won a championship out of it, but he had to put up with far more bullshit than he deserved. The man never got a break, and sometimes I wished for his own sake that he did. I can't imagine going through all the shit that he's had to put up with for his career.

[Hey Yo]

Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

If James made all those guys worse players.... it's safe to say he didnt have a superteam when he won rings with them?

[SaintzFury13]

Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

So did LeBron make AD worse as a player? Or are you purposely leaving him out so your narrative doesn't come out as a massive load of shite? What about Mo Williams who actually BECAME an all star player once he joined LeBron and the Cavaliers? What about Anderson Varejao, who became a second team all defense player and wasn't a complete joke on offense after playing with LeBron?

[Manny98]

So did LeBron make AD worse as a player? Or are you purposely leaving him out so your narrative doesn't come out as a massive load of shite? What about Mo Williams who actually BECAME an all star player once he joined LeBron and the Cavaliers? What about Anderson Varejao, who became a second team all defense player and wasn't a complete joke on offense after playing with LeBron?
He didn't make AD "better" either

Love and Bosh were reduced to spot up shooters, probably the biggest victims of having to completely sacrifice their games to accommodate LeBrons play style

[Manny98]

If James made all those guys worse players.... it's safe to say he didnt have a superteam when he won rings with them?


https://youtu.be/EYe8B--jrbs

[tpols]

Lebron incorporates a ball dominant time of possession while assisting 50% less than say stockon or magic. So he's a selfish monopolizer. Doesn't look to make others better than they are or "enhance" them, but rather use them, mostly for spacing purposes, to create his own scoring off the dribble. This is why his offenses falter in the face of teams that have great talent AND teamwork.

[tpols]

He didn't make AD "better" either

Love and Bosh were reduced to spot up shooters, probably the biggest victims of having to completely sacrifice their games to accommodate LeBrons play style

AD averaged GOAT numbers in the playoffs but couldn't win a ring because the pelicans are the modern day timber wolves. Nobody could ever win there without massive collusion.

[Pipes2.0]

Mann98 you don't know how to be a Bron hater. You just repeat whatever you see on twitter since you are barely 18 years old with milk under your nose.


You can't hang with me in a debate.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[SaintzFury13]

He didn't make AD "better" either

Love and Bosh were reduced to spot up shooters, probably the biggest victims of having to completely sacrifice their games to accommodate LeBrons play style

Chris Bosh became a much better defensive player. Whatever sacrifices he had to make on offense were made up for by the improvements he made on the defensive end. He was still an all star caliber player even as the third option on offense. Therefor, he became better playing with LeBron, even if it wasn't necessarily because he was playing WITH LeBron.

[Manny98]

Boshs PER went from 25 down to 19 his first season with LeBron

He went from a 25/10 monster to a 16/8 spot up shooter

His defense improved because of Spos system, absolutely nothing to do with LeBron

[8Ball]

So did LeBron make AD worse as a player? Or are you purposely leaving him out so your narrative doesn't come out as a massive load of shite? What about Mo Williams who actually BECAME an all star player once he joined LeBron and the Cavaliers? What about Anderson Varejao, who became a second team all defense player and wasn't a complete joke on offense after playing with LeBron?

AD got 1st team all nba plus 1st team all defense first year with Bron.


"Made AD worse"


LeBron haters really go down the deep end of retard.

[8Ball]

Boshs PER went from 25 down to 19 his first season with LeBron

He went from a 25/10 monster to a 16/8 spot up shooter

His defense improved because of Spos system, absolutely nothing to do with LeBron

This is stupid.

Harden went from 6th man to perennial all star and all nba and MVP player when he left Durant.


Using your idiot logic Durant made Harden worse. Which he didn't. Harden played within the system.



You can't hang with me bro. This is what happens when you join team retard aka lebron hater. You run into monsters like me.

[SaintzFury13]

Boshs PER went from 25 down to 19 his first season with LeBron

He went from a 25/10 monster to a 16/8 spot up shooter

His defense improved because of Spos system, absolutely nothing to do with LeBron

So wait, now we're going off of the system they're playing under? Then I guess by that logic Kevin Love didn't become worse due to LeBron, he became worse due to David Blatt limiting him to being a stretch four (which is literally what happened. David Blatt wanted him to be a permanent stretch four so that's what he became).

[Manny98]

So wait, now we're going off of the system they're playing under? Then I guess by that logic Kevin Love didn't become worse due to LeBron, he became worse due to David Blatt limiting him to being a stretch four (which is literally what happened. David Blatt wanted him to be a permanent stretch four so that's what he became).

The reason he became a spot up 4 in the first place is too accommodate to LeBrons drive and kick style of as he's a mediocre scorer without shooters around him to space the floor.

This wouldn't be an issue if LeBron developed an elite jumps hot game like Kobe and MJ who could play with anyone and not hinder there games

[Manny98]

You can't hang with me bro. This is what happens when you join team retard aka lebron hater. You run into monsters like me.

I have just destroyed you and your 5 other alts in the other thread without breaking a sweat

And btw I am not a LeBron hater I just choose to no longer suck him off 24/7 like you stans and actually acknowledge his flaws as a basketball player

[outofstomach]

The reason he became a spot up 4 in the first place is too accommodate to LeBrons drive and kick style of as he's a mediocre scorer without shooters around him to space the floor.

This wouldn't be an issue if LeBron developed an elite jumps hot game like Kobe and MJ who could play with anyone and not hinder there games:applause:

[SaintzFury13]

The reason he became a spot up 4 in the first place is too accommodate to LeBrons drive and kick style of as he's a mediocre scorer without shooters around him to space the floor.

No, it's because David Blatt wanted a stretch four because that's how he designs most of his offense. That's how he did things back in Europe and he wanted that in the US too. When David Blatt was first named the head coach of the Cavaliers, one of the first things he said he wanted was a stretch forward, and at that point in time, LeBron hadn't even announced that he was coming back to Cleveland. When LeBron James was sitting on the bench and Kevin was still on the floor, his main role was still being a stretch four because that's what Blatt prefers. Once Blatt got fired and Lue took over, Love was still a stretch four but a lot more effort was incorporated into giving him more post up opportunities and feeding him down low.

You should try studying the game and researching things for once in your life. Maybe you won't spend 90% of your time on this forum saying dumb shit if you do.


This wouldn't be an issue if LeBron developed an elite jumps hot game like Kobe and MJ who could play with anyone and not hinder there games

"Like Kobe and MJ"

Kobe and MJ were both career 32% three point shooters, where as LeBron so far is a career 34% shooter from 3. But yes, he has no elite jump shot but they do.

[SaintzFury13]

I have just destroyed you and your 5 other alts in the other thread without breaking a sweat

And btw I am not a LeBron hater I just choose to no longer suck him off 24/7 like you stans and actually acknowledge his flaws as a basketball player

Half of the flaws you describe are either non existent or aren't flaws at all. Pretty much everything about you screams LeBron hater, to the point where you're posting "31 points on 55% shooting" as a dig at LeBron who didn't even guard Durant for the majority of that series. You're going to tell me you aren't a biased LeBron hater and yet you somehow think that kind of logic has any merit to it? Calling you a retard would be an insult to retards.

[Manny98]

I literally have LeBron in my top 5 of all time, but I am a hater :roll:

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/EYe8B--jrbs

But if he made them worse, then why do you say he had a superteam in 12' and 13'?

[8Ball]

This is stupid.

Harden went from 6th man to perennial all star and all nba and MVP player when he left Durant.


Using your idiot logic Durant made Harden worse. Which he didn't. Harden played within the system.



You can't hang with me bro. This is what happens when you join team retard aka lebron hater. You run into monsters like me.


I have just destroyed you and your 5 other alts in the other thread without breaking a sweat

And btw I am not a LeBron hater I just choose to no longer suck him off 24/7 like you stans and actually acknowledge his flaws as a basketball player

WTf you talking about?

I just curb stomped your argument and you have no response to it.

[Manny98]

But if he made them worse, then why do you say he had a superteam in 12' and 13'?
Um ... Because Wade and Bosh were still superstar level talents?

[8Ball]

I literally have LeBron in my top 5 of all time, but I am a hater :roll:

Yeah?

You post retard shit, get rekt.

[Manny98]

WTf you talking about?

I just curb stomped your argument and you have no response to it.
No because Harden naturally got better when given a bigger role in Houston, he never regressed like Love in Cleveland

[Hey Yo]

Um ... Because Wade and Bosh were still superstar level talents?

But they're not putting up superstar stats.

Since that's the case... James didnt win with superteams.
.

[TheCorporation]

AD got 1st team all nba plus 1st team all defense first year with Bron.


"Made AD worse"


LeBron haters really go down the deep end of retard.

:roll:

[MrFonzworth]

Lambruh needs to get back asap and clean up this mess. Bran stans getting bodied left and right from thread to thread.

[Manny98]

But they're not putting up superstar stats.

Since that's the case... James didnt win with superteams.
.
Keep telling yourself that the Heat were not a superteam bud

:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Lambruh needs to get back asap and clean up this mess. Bran stans getting bodied left and right from thread to thread.

This cuck always running his mouth playing both sides :lol Here we go again, another dead inside, fake Asian melt down.

[MrFonzworth]

This cuck always running his mouth playing both sides :lol Here we go again, another dead inside, fake Asian melt down.

Meltdown. Step out the basement and get some fresh air

[TheCorporation]

Meltdown. Step out the basement and get some fresh air

There he goes again. *yawn*

[MrFonzworth]

There he goes again. *yawn*

Nice one.

[Axe]

This cuck always running his mouth playing both sides :lol Here we go again, another dead inside, fake Asian melt down.
Yo, calm yo tits down slick.

[TheCorporation]

Yo, calm yo tits down slick.

If you're not from the United States please don't respond to me. Thanks.

[SATAN]

LeBron turned Shaq's personal punching bag Javale McGee into an Olympic gold medalist :applause:

[SATAN]

Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

It's a good thing "star" players never ever get injured, age or have problems. Jesus Christ. What a thoughtless post.

[FKAri]

LeGod only helps those who help themselves.

[Smoke117]

Love - worse
Wade - worse
Bosh - worse
JR Smith - worse
Mozgov - better
Delly - Better
Caruso - better
Kuzma - worse
Ingram - flourishing without LeBron
Scroeder - worse

Conclusion LeBron makes role players better and stars worse because they have to accommodate to his ball dominant play style

Lebron didn't make Wade worse, bad knees did. Wade was great in 2011 and 2012 and in 2013 before he hurt his knee he was starting to play at a top 10 level during their winning streak. Bosh went from a first option to a 3rd option...of course his numbers went down. That is just a given. Jr Smith pretty much just stopped caring going into his 30s. Doesn't really have anything to do with LeBron. Kuzma has always been a scrub. Schroder's season with OKC was an outlier as far as efficiency goes. It's hard to say whether or not he could have built on that. He was also playing with two superstars so obviously he wasn't going to get the plays and shots like he did on OKC where it was much more of a free for all with Paul and Schroder. As far as Ingram goes, he played well in 2019 with Lebron except for the fact that he didn't have a 3pt shot. He added that the last two seasons and that has helped his game flourish. If he was taking and hitting 3pters like he has the last two years in 2019 he could have averaged 20 with LeBron. So all in all, you're a moron who is very wrong.

[highwhey]

he DOES

[3ba11]

3rd options like Klay, Jrue, Harden, Worthy, or Parish averaged 20 ppg or could dominate when needed, whereas Lebron's 3rd options were turned into bums.

No teammates saw their stats increase during a tenure with Lebron, and the only player-type that he didn't reduce was elite shooters.. He literally never made anyone better - he just teamed up to have enough talent to win, and still mostly lost.. He mostly loses regardless of cast or coach - he never mostly wins regardless of cast or coach

[TheCorporation]

3rd options like Klay, Jrue, Harden, Worthy, or Parish averaged 20 ppg or could dominate when needed, whereas Lebron's 3rd options were turned into bums.

No teammates saw their stats increase during a tenure with Lebron, and the only player-type that he didn't reduce was elite shooters.. He literally never made anyone better - he just teamed up to have enough talent to win, and still mostly lost.. He mostly loses regardless of cast or coach - he never mostly wins regardless of cast or coach

No 3rd options of MJ's ever averaged 20 ppg :lol Get fukt :lol

[1987_Lakers]

3rd options like Klay, Jrue, Harden, Worthy, or Parish averaged 20 ppg or could dominate when needed, whereas Lebron's 3rd options were turned into bums.

No teammates saw their stats increase during a tenure with Lebron, and the only player-type that he didn't reduce was elite shooters.. He literally never made anyone better - he just teamed up to have enough talent to win, and still mostly lost.. He mostly loses regardless of cast or coach - he never mostly wins regardless of cast or coach

This is dumb, Love as a 3rd option averaged around the same points as Parish did once he became a 3rd option.

[3ba11]

This is dumb, Love as a 3rd option averaged around the same points as Parish did once he became a 3rd option.


Love was a spot-up role player, while Parish was viewed as a star that could dominate stretches when needed - no one called Parish a bum, while everyone calls Love a bum and cites his single-digit series.

By turning Love and Bosh into spot-up shooters, Lebron robbed them of the capacity to step up... For example, it would've been nice to see Bosh step up in the 14' Finals with Wade ailing, but Bosh was just a spot-up shooter, so he couldn't step up and the Heat were nowhere near their ceiling with Bosh reduced like that... hence 2/4 instead of "not 6, not 7"

[Smoke117]

3rd options like Klay, Jrue, Harden, Worthy, or Parish averaged 20 ppg or could dominate when needed, whereas Lebron's 3rd options were turned into bums.

No teammates saw their stats increase during a tenure with Lebron, and the only player-type that he didn't reduce was elite shooters.. He literally never made anyone better - he just teamed up to have enough talent to win, and still mostly lost.. He mostly loses regardless of cast or coach - he never mostly wins regardless of cast or coach

Parish never averaged 20ppg as a 3rd option. Never averaged 20ppg ever for that matter. Jrue Holiday wasn't a 3rd option when he averaged 21.2 on the Pelicans. He was taking the 2nd most shots on the team after Davis. Trying to use James Harden as an example is just fukking idiotic. James Worthy was never the 3rd option in years he averaged 20 or more. Klay pretty much had the perfect game as a 3rd option as he doesn't do anything on his own off the dribble.

[1987_Lakers]

Love was a spot-up role player, while Parish was viewed as a star that could dominate stretches when needed - no one called Parish a bum, while everyone calls Love a bum and cites his single-digit series.

By turning Love and Bosh into spot-up shooters, Lebron robbed them of the capacity to step up... For example, it would've been nice to see Bosh step up in the 14' Finals with Wade ailing, but Bosh was just a spot-up shooter, so he couldn't step up and the Heat were nowhere near their ceiling with Bosh reduced like that... hence 2/4 instead of "not 6, not 7"

Believe me, if the internet was around back then people would have called Parish a bum too. He had alot of pedestrian postseasons from '83-'86. You just don't hear about it because nobody cares about Parish now and there was no internet back then.

[TheCorporation]

Believe me, if the internet was around back then people would have called Parish a bum too. He had alot of pedestrian postseasons from '83-'86. You just don't hear about it because nobody cares about Parish and there was no internet.

+1

I feel like talking basketball with 3ball is like explaining basic concepts to an 11 year old where you just have to keep reminding yourself "he's 11 that's why he doesn't get any of this."

[3ba11]

Believe me, if the internet was around back then people would have called Parish a bum too. He had alot of pedestrian postseasons from '83-'86. You just don't hear about it because nobody cares about Parish and there was no internet.


Parish was never reduced to a spot-up role - he was always a go-to player that created his own shot, or created mismatches and commanded doubles (just like Love before Lebron)..

Parish led the Celtics in scoring for the 82' Playoffs, and was 2nd behind Bird from 83-85'.. In 86', he averaged 16 on 54% as 3rd option and averaged 17 on 60% in the 87' Finals.. Unlike Love's reduced role, Parish was available to dominate when needed - he was never reduced to spot-up shooting role and was always a go-to player that created his own shot.

Before the Celtics fell off in 89', Parish's playoff numbers from 81-88' were 16/10 on 50%, while Love averages 15/10 on 40% for his playoff career (4 seasons of Lebron-ball) - Parish also smashes Love across the board in advanced stats (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP).

And what about Pippen?

What would the internet say about a 2nd option averaging 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (carried to a 3-peat), including multiple Finals of 15.7 on 40%?... Imagine if AD or Paul George put up those numbers - social media would say they aren't stars, and Pippen wasn't a star - his got accolades due to winning spotlight.. He's the definition of someone that got accolades due to winning (getting carried), but you guys ignore the facts - you just can't take those 6 rings blinders off - you love them things

[Airupthere]

Thread about LeBron not making his teammates better

Bron Stans - "bu but but Durant :cry:"

Both Durant and LeBron are betas but it was LeBron who paved the way for Durant and others with the decision aka the most bitch made move in Sports history at that point

Boom! KD is a one of a kind player and he has shown that he is one of the best offensive players we have ever seen. KD would have been a different monster if he did not get influenced by Lebron. Hard to blame KD when leshortcut is the norm that Lerbon has tried to create for the next generation.

[Hey Yo]

Keep telling yourself that the Heat were not a superteam bud

:facepalm

But you saying James made them worse is you admitting that they weren't a superteam in 2012 or 2013.

Can't have it both ways, Paco

[MrFonzworth]

Yo, calm yo tits down slick.

Got his ass

[Manny98]

But you saying James made them worse is you admitting that they weren't a superteam in 2012 or 2013.

Can't have it both ways, Paco

I said he made them worse, not that he made them into scrubs

Bosh and Wade were still superstars

[And1AllDay]

I said he made them worse, not that he made them into scrubs

Bosh and Wade were still superstars

bosh has never and will never be a superstar

doesnt he have only one all nba or some sh1t :oldlol:

[3ba11]

bosh has never and will never be a superstar

doesnt he have only one all nba or some sh1t :oldlol:


Lebron always needed 2 perennial all-star teammates to win, or a teammate to out-produce him (AD)

That's a lot more help than Jordan or Kobe needed to win

Lebron needed more help because teammates never saw their stats increase during a tenure with Lebron (he never made anyone better), while Kobe made Pau, or Jordan made BJ, Grant, Pippen, and Kerr

[Hey Yo]

I said he made them worse, not that he made them into scrubs

Bosh and Wade were still superstars

Were they putting up superstar numbers in the 2012 and 2013 Finals?

You cant say he needed superstars to win rings when they're not putting up superstar numbers.

LeBron needed superstar Bosh to go scoreless in game 7 of 2013 Finals in order to win the title?

[3ba11]

Were they putting up superstar numbers in the 2012 and 2013 Finals?

You cant say he needed superstars to win rings when they're not putting up superstar numbers.

LeBron needed superstar Bosh to go scoreless in game 7 of 2013 Finals in order to win the title?


Wade averaged 23/6/6 in 2012 Finals and 20/5/5 in 2013 Finals - those are prime Pippen numbers, who you claim was a superstar

Meanwhile, Bosh and Love were reduced to spot-up shooters, so their capacity to step up was robbed from them

[Manny98]

Wade averaged 23/6/6 in 2012 Finals and 20/5/5 in 2013 Finals - those are prime Pippen numbers, who you claim was a superstar

Meanwhile, Bosh and Love were reduced to spot-up shooters, so their capacity to step up was robbed from them
This 2011-2013 Wade> Peak Pippen

Bosh shits on most 3rd options ever as well

Then you have quality role players like Battier and Ray Allen

Heat were loaded, the fact that they only won 2/4 is an underachievement

[Spurs m8]

He defs makes them worse, always has, always will

[8Ball]

He defs makes them worse, always has, always will

You are just a basement level troll. You don't even believe what you write on this forum.

[Spurs m8]

You are just a basement level troll. You don't even believe what you write on this forum.

I just lay the facts, 8owling 8all

[8Ball]

Thread Cliffs:


LeBron makes all his teammates better and puts them in a position to play optimal LeBron ball aka championship level basketball. Hence 10 finals appearances. Jordan only had 6 finals appearances. Facts only.


Anthony Davis - Flourished
Ray Allen - Flourished - Game 6 2013. Greatest shot of all time. The shot that turned Kawhi m8 into Retard m8 :roll:
Dwyane Wade - Flourished - 4 finals in a row thanks to Bron.
Kyrie Irving - Flourished
Chris Bosh - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away.
Kevin love - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away. 2x actually with the Cavs.
JR Smith - Flourished
Shumpert - Flourished
Delladova - Flourished
Mozgov - Flourished
Dwight Howard - Flourished
Kuzma - Flourished - Got a huge payday with Bron.
KCP - Flourished


I can't name one player that played worse basketball under Bron.


LeBron literally where cast away players nobody wants anymore come to get revitalized to compete for championships. This thread is flat earther levels of stupid.

[ShawkFactory]

Thread Cliffs:


LeBron makes all his teammates better and puts them in a position to play optimal LeBron ball aka championship level basketball. Hence 10 finals appearances. Jordan only had 6 finals appearances. Facts only.


Anthony Davis - Flourished
Ray Allen - Flourished - Game 6 2013. Greatest shot of all time. The shot that turned Kawhi m8 into Retard m8 :roll:
Dwyane Wade - Flourished - 4 finals in a row thanks to Bron.
Kyrie Irving - Flourished
Chris Bosh - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away.
Kevin love - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away. 2x actually with the Cavs.
JR Smith - Flourished
Shumpert - Flourished
Delladova - Flourished
Mozgov - Flourished
Dwight Howard - Flourished
Kuzma - Flourished - Got a huge payday with Bron.
KCP - Flourished


I can't name one player that played worse basketball under Bron.


LeBron literally where cast away players nobody wants anymore come to get revitalized to compete for championships. This thread is flat earther levels of stupid.

Love. But he's the only one that you can reasonably say.

[8Ball]

Kevin Love's brand of basketball in Minny is losing basketball. That's why Kevin Love no longer tries to play that brand of basketball post LeBron.

Post up for low efficient Kevin Love back to basket basketball was inferior to whatever he was doing in Cleveland.

Kevin Love learned to play team ball under Bron.

[ShawkFactory]

Kevin Love's brand of basketball in Minny is losing basketball. That's why Kevin Love no longer tries to play that brand of basketball post LeBron.

Post up for low efficient Kevin Love back to basket basketball was inferior to whatever he was doing in Cleveland.

Kevin Love learned to play team ball under Bron.

The reason I bring him up is because he didn't transition into that role very well. He looked lost at times.

[And1AllDay]

Thread Cliffs:


LeBron makes all his teammates better and puts them in a position to play optimal LeBron ball aka championship level basketball. Hence 10 finals appearances. Jordan only had 6 finals appearances. Facts only.


Anthony Davis - Flourished
Ray Allen - Flourished - Game 6 2013. Greatest shot of all time. The shot that turned Kawhi m8 into Retard m8 :roll:
Dwyane Wade - Flourished - 4 finals in a row thanks to Bron.
Kyrie Irving - Flourished
Chris Bosh - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away.
Kevin love - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away. 2x actually with the Cavs.
JR Smith - Flourished
Shumpert - Flourished
Delladova - Flourished
Mozgov - Flourished
Dwight Howard - Flourished
Kuzma - Flourished - Got a huge payday with Bron.
KCP - Flourished


I can't name one player that played worse basketball under Bron.


LeBron literally where cast away players nobody wants anymore come to get revitalized to compete for championships. This thread is flat earther levels of stupid.

8ball stays taking out the trash :oldlol:

dump, eliminate them, recycle

[8Ball]

The reason I bring him up is because he didn't transition into that role very well. He looked lost at times.

That's fine. Struggling to play a role doesn't mean Love was playing worse than he was prior to Bron.

Kevin Love Minnesotta basketball is not something that was working at all, and Love admitted it after Bron left.

[Airupthere]

Moment of silence for all those whose careers went spiraling down after playing with lebron under the bronball system, aka just stand and wait for me to pass you the ball, then shoot. Better make it for my triple double.

[SaintzFury13]

Lebron always needed 2 perennial all-star teammates to win, or a teammate to out-produce him (AD)

That's a lot more help than Jordan or Kobe needed to win

Michael needed a Horace Grant or a Dennis Rodman just to make it to the finals, even after already having a top 30 all time player on his team. LeBron didn't. And don't try to argue otherwise, because he outright stated it.

[8Ball]

8ball stays taking out the trash :oldlol:

dump, eliminate them, recycle

Here is a list of players that NOBODY WANTED and LeBron turned them into great role players that won championship:

Dwight Howard
JR Smith
Mozgov
Delly
Chris Anderson
Caruso

Nobody wanted those players above and then he revitalizes their career.

Ask those players if LeBron made them worse :roll:


Total stupid dog shit thread.


Manny98 has a 18 year old kid decides to join team retard. I am not surprised. Tomorrow he will tell us he is transitioning into a woman. :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Moment of silence for all those whose careers went spiraling down after playing with lebron under the bronball system, aka just stand and wait for me to pass you the ball, then shoot. Better make it for my triple double.

Wrong.

Anthony Davis - Flourished
Ray Allen - Flourished - Game 6 2013. Greatest shot of all time. The shot that turned Kawhi m8 into Retard m8
Dwyane Wade - Flourished - 4 finals in a row thanks to Bron.
Kyrie Irving - Flourished
Chris Bosh - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away.
Kevin love - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away. 2x actually with the Cavs.
JR Smith - Flourished
Shumpert - Flourished
Delladova - Flourished
Mozgov - Flourished
Dwight Howard - Flourished
Kuzma - Flourished - Got a huge payday with Bron.
KCP - Flourished

[SaintzFury13]

This 2011-2013 Wade> Peak Pippen

Bosh shits on most 3rd options ever as well

Then you have quality role players like Battier and Ray Allen

Heat were loaded, the fact that they only won 2/4 is an underachievement

I love how you mention those quality role players and then go on to shit on the Heat for going 2/4.

Those two players weren't even on the Heat in that first year. And Ray Allen didn't arrive until 2013. And in 2014, Wade was a shell of his former self.

So basically, at full strength, the Heat are 2-0. It's not LeBron's fault they had literally nothing outside of the big three in 2011 and his all star teammates shat the bed in 2014 when he needed them the most.

Also also...2011-2013 Wade>Peak Pippen is possibly the most intelligence insulting statement I've ever read. Peak Pippen was a top 3 player in the NBA and almost lead his team to the finals. The absolute stupidity on display is something I simply cannot handle.

[8Ball]

Michael needed a Horace Grant or a Dennis Rodman just to make it to the finals, even after already having a top 30 all time player on his team. LeBron didn't. And don't try to argue otherwise, because he outright stated it.


Some of these new posters are truly intelligent and high IQ. :applause:


My work has been effective on these forums.

[SaintzFury13]

It's a good thing "star" players never ever get injured, age or have problems. Jesus Christ. What a thoughtless post.

You can say that about all of his posts tbh.

[SaintzFury13]

Some of these new posters are truly intelligent and high IQ. :applause:


My work has been effective on these forums.

Don't try to give yourself credit for my posts. You just got done trying to state that Kevin Love was mentally soft because he had issues playing with LeBron.

[8Ball]

It's a good thing "star" players never ever get injured, age or have problems. Jesus Christ. What a thoughtless post.

He's an 18 year old troll.

Was a Bron fan to troll.
Now is a Bron hater to troll.

Doesn't have any true beliefs.

[8Ball]

Don't try to give yourself credit for my posts. You just got done trying to state that Kevin Love was mentally soft because he had issues playing with LeBron.

Tell me Kevin Love is not mentally soft? Kevin Love in 2019-2020-2021 has been completely dreadful and the idiots in this thread blame Bron for "ruining him".

Damned if he plays with Love, damned when he doesn't play with Love.

[SaintzFury13]

Love was a spot-up role player, while Parish was viewed as a star that could dominate stretches when needed - no one called Parish a bum, while everyone calls Love a bum and cites his single-digit series.

By turning Love and Bosh into spot-up shooters, Lebron robbed them of the capacity to step up... For example, it would've been nice to see Bosh step up in the 14' Finals with Wade ailing, but Bosh was just a spot-up shooter, so he couldn't step up and the Heat were nowhere near their ceiling with Bosh reduced like that... hence 2/4 instead of "not 6, not 7"

We're still playing this idiotic "LeBron turned Love into a spot up shooter" narrative? Again, it is well documented that it was David Blatt, not LeBron, who decided to have Love be a spot up four, because that was literally what he wanted when he first came to Cleveland. When he got fired and Lue took over, Love was pretty much done being a spot up four in 2017 in his first year under Lue when he averaged 19/11. Remember that post you made about third options averaging 20 PPG? Love literally almost did that in the one full year that Blatt wasn't around to reduce him to the stretch four role.

[SaintzFury13]

Tell me Kevin Love is not mentally soft? Kevin Love in 2019-2020-2021 has been completely dreadful and the idiots in this thread blame Bron for "ruining him".

Damned if he plays with Love, damned when he doesn't play with Love.

He is but it's not because of just playing with LeBron. His biggest mental health issues didn't even happen until after LeBron was already gone, and it seems like those issues have to do with the fact that he's coming to the realization that his best days are behind him and he's no longer the all star level player he used to be. Love put up with a lot of shit during his four years of playing with LeBron, and I think he did an incredible job of handling it all things considered.

[And1AllDay]

He's an 18 year old troll.

Was a Bron fan to troll.
Now is a Bron hater to troll.

Doesn't have any true beliefs.

hes mentally broken

[8Ball]

He is but it's not because of just playing with LeBron. His biggest mental health issues didn't even happen until after LeBron was already gone, and it seems like those issues have to do with the fact that he's coming to the realization that his best days are behind him and he's no longer the all star level player he used to be. Love put up with a lot of shit during his four years of playing with LeBron, and I think he did an incredible job of handling it all things considered.

It goes both ways.

Bron put up with a lot of shit from Kevin Love. Noticeably his awful defence and slow feet. Love and Kyrie were constantly run through pick and rolls by the opposing team due to their crap defence. Over and over and over.

When Kyrie was no longer there in 2018, Kevin Love was supposed to "step up" and he never did. Didn't step up in 2019,2020,2021 either.

[8Ball]

hes mentally broken

Tomorrow he will come out of the closet as an experiment or say he is transitioning.

[Manny98]

Got these Bron stans spinning:roll::roll:

[Manny98]

Thread Cliffs:


LeBron makes all his teammates better and puts them in a position to play optimal LeBron ball aka championship level basketball. Hence 10 finals appearances. Jordan only had 6 finals appearances. Facts only.


Anthony Davis - Flourished
Ray Allen - Flourished - Game 6 2013. Greatest shot of all time. The shot that turned Kawhi m8 into Retard m8 :roll:
Dwyane Wade - Flourished - 4 finals in a row thanks to Bron.
Kyrie Irving - Flourished
Chris Bosh - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away.
Kevin love - Flourished - Got a massive max contract right away. 2x actually with the Cavs.
JR Smith - Flourished
Shumpert - Flourished
Delladova - Flourished
Mozgov - Flourished
Dwight Howard - Flourished
Kuzma - Flourished - Got a huge payday with Bron.
KCP - Flourished


I can't name one player that played worse basketball under Bron.


LeBron literally where cast away players nobody wants anymore come to get revitalized to compete for championships. This thread is flat earther levels of stupid.

Literally none of those players flourished because of LeBron

Wade and Bosh were already established superstars

Love got a max because of his monster season in Minny

Kuzma was a budding all star who's value has gone since playing with LeBron

Ingram and Lonzo flourished once they were away from LeToxic

Try again bud, call your alts for some help

[Airupthere]

Literally none of those players flourished because of LeBron

Wade and Bosh were already established superstars

Love got a max because of his monster season in Minny

Kuzma was a budding all star who's value has gone since playing with LeBron

Ingram and Lonzo flourished once they were away from LeToxic

Try again bud, call your alts for some help

Ingram and Lonzo spent only a season with Lebron and they were young allowing them to bounce back. The likes of AD though, Wade, Bosh, Love, Kuzma (he stayed longer with Lebron), they all declined.

As for Kyrie, remember the "Lebron as a father-figure" interview? He never really respected Lebron.

[Manny98]

Ingram and Lonzo spent only a season with Lebron and they were young allowing them to bounce back. The likes of AD though, Wade, Bosh, Love, Kuzma (he stayed longer with Lebron), they all declined.

As for Kyrie, remember the "Lebron as a father-figure" interview? He never really respected Lebron.

Yep Ingram and Lonzo both blossomed into quality players after the trade

I don't think it's too late for Kuzma, I think he will have a breakout season next year on the Wizards

[tpols]

Tell me Kevin Love is not mentally soft? Kevin Love in 2019-2020-2021 has been completely dreadful and the idiots in this thread blame Bron for "ruining him".

Damned if he plays with Love, damned when he doesn't play with Love.

Its cause and effect.

Obviously bran ball ruined Kevin Love. The Cavs with lebron tried to use Love like Klay. When Love was a WHITE GUY rebounding champion at 6'7. That's all time rare. He also was a PPP (points per possession) top scorer out of the post.

So yes lebron ball ruined him by making a player with vast talents into a Kyle Korver spot up role.

[3ba11]

Yep Ingram and Lonzo both blossomed into quality players after the trade

I don't think it's too late for Kuzma, I think he will have a breakout season next year on the Wizards


Can't wait to make that thread and pat MJ fam on the back for being right... AGAIN

[3ba11]

Its cause and effect.

Obviously bran ball ruined Kevin Love. The Cavs with lebron tried to use Love like Klay. When Love was a WHITE GUY rebounding champion at 6'7. That's all time rare. He also was a PPP (points per possession) top scorer out of the post.

So yes lebron ball ruined him by making a player with vast talents into a Kyle Korver spot up role.


facts gonna facts

[ShawkFactory]

Yep Ingram and Lonzo both blossomed into quality players after the trade

I don't think it's too late for Kuzma, I think he will have a breakout season next year on the Wizards

As in he'll just take more shots on a team that won't make the playoffs? That's not really blossoming. If he ever goes to a good team again (unlikely), he'll be right back on the bench.

[And1AllDay]

Got these Bron stans spinning:roll::roll:


weak minded choke artist. no wonder you stan kd

[Axe]

I said he made them worse, not that he made them into scrubs

Bosh and Wade were still superstars
He did have a stacked team back then.

[SaintzFury13]

It goes both ways.

Bron put up with a lot of shit from Kevin Love. Noticeably his awful defence and slow feet. Love and Kyrie were constantly run through pick and rolls by the opposing team due to their crap defence. Over and over and over.

First off, that's LeBron's own fault. He was the one who wanted Love to come to Cleveland, even if it meant giving up what looked like one of the most promising number one overall prospects in quite some time (even though I do contend now that trading for Love in the end was the right call). Second, any issues Love had at that end could have more than been made up for on offense, and yet time and time again, even when LeBron had the chance to feed Love down low, he didn't and never once went to Blatt and stated that he's better than being just a stretch four. I contend that Love being in the role he was in was more of a David Blatt issue than a LeBron issue, but LeBron did absolutely nothing to solve said issue and Lue had to be the one to make that change himself.


When Kyrie was no longer there in 2018, Kevin Love was supposed to "step up" and he never did. Didn't step up in 2019,2020,2021 either.

He never stepped up? 2018 Kevin Love was arguably the best version LeBron ever got. That was the season where he made a real and legit effort to be a better defensive player and it showed on the court. Was he ever all team worthy? Absolutely not. But all of those scenarios you just described; getting run through on pick and rolls, and being lit up inside like he used to be on a regular basis, that was all a thing of the past. Did it still happen? Sure, but not nearly to the extent that it was happening the year before.

[SaintzFury13]

facts gonna facts

You just got done saying that Lillard is the next CP3. Shut your basketball lacking knowledge ass up and never talk about being about all facts ever again.

[8Ball]

Kevin love was not the best version Bron got.


Go look at his playoff game logs and come back here and tell me how good he was.


Love didn't even play game 7 of ECF :lol

[SaintzFury13]

Kevin love was not the best version Bron got.


Go look at his playoff game logs and come back here and tell me how good he was.


Love didn't even play game 7 of ECF :lol

So now we're going off of playoff stats?

Okay.

He had a very good series against Toronto, led Cleveland when LeBron was on the bench in game 7 of the first round and had arguably his best overall finals series against the Warriors.

But yeah, I'll give you the Boston series. He was complete and utter shite in that entire series apart from the first two games.

[And1AllDay]

So now we're going off of playoff stats?

Okay.

He had a very good series against Toronto, led Cleveland when LeBron was on the bench in game 7 of the first round and had arguably his best overall finals series against the Warriors.

But yeah, I'll give you the Boston series. He was complete and utter shite in that entire series apart from the first two games.

bruh the 2018 pacers series as well

11-9-1 on 33% mf percents and 16 to and 7 assists...wt mf is that

[Manny98]

Never forget, Love was putting up "Wilt like" statlines prior to LeBron ball


https://youtu.be/ifzTphwEI_w


https://youtu.be/Vzvc3U_4iqg

[And1AllDay]

Never forget, Love was putting up "Wilt like" statlines prior to LeBron ball


https://youtu.be/ifzTphwEI_w

looks like empty stats kyrie :oldlol: your fav players. makes sense :oldlol:

[8Ball]

So now we're going off of playoff stats?

Okay.

He had a very good series against Toronto, led Cleveland when LeBron was on the bench in game 7 of the first round and had arguably his best overall finals series against the Warriors.

But yeah, I'll give you the Boston series. He was complete and utter shite in that entire series apart from the first two games.


We go off playoff stats because that's the most important time.


I hate doing this but Kevin Love playoff average in 2018 was 15/10 on 40%FG and 34% from 3.


Very mediocre and I ain't trolling here. I watched those games. Kevin Love never had 1 great playoff game. Maybe 1. Game 2 vs Toronto.

[Manny98]

looks like empty stats kyrie :oldlol: your fav players. makes sense :oldlol:

He won the game retard :facepalm

[8Ball]

Never forget, Love was putting up "Wilt like" statlines prior to LeBron ball


Never forget. This is what Manny thinks of LeBron:

https://i.ibb.co/VqWxr65/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-36-38-PM.png


This took me less than 10 seconds.

[Manny98]

Never forget. This is what Manny thinks of LeBron:

https://i.ibb.co/VqWxr65/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-36-38-PM.png


This took me less than 10 seconds.
Correction this is what I THOUGHT of LeBron, key word THOUGHT, meaning I no longer think that

[8Ball]

Correction this is what I THOUGHT of LeBron, key word THOUGHT, meaning I no longer think that

Another one:

https://i.ibb.co/k9Kd86w/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-56-56-PM.png


This is too much fun.

[Manny98]

I don't get what you're doing hear, like the entire forum already knows that I used to be a massive LeBron stan :oldlol:

You're not really exposing anything bud

Plus I still have LeBron in my top 5 all time despite collusions, quitting and all the bitch made stuff he does on and off the court

[kawhileonard2]

How did Schroder and Harrel both go from being Six Man of the Year's/runner ups to trade garbage in one year with Lebron? Marc Gasol was instrumental in the Raptors winning a ring two seasons ago, where was he last year? Kuzma used to have his own circle jerk among Laker fans for how much of a steal he was in the 2nd round draft and now he's a worthless bum. Even Anthony Davis, all of his numbers are down from when he was in New Orleans. All of their stats are down since the moment they teamed up with Lebron.

Since he became a Laker, what players has Lebron actually made better?

Good post!

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron led the Cavaliers in the NBA finals with Daniel Gibson, and Kevin Love as his 2nd scoring option.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

[ELITEpower23]

Never forget. This is what Manny thinks of LeBron:

https://i.ibb.co/VqWxr65/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-36-38-PM.png


This took me less than 10 seconds.

Manny...

[ELITEpower23]

Another one:

https://i.ibb.co/k9Kd86w/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-56-56-PM.png


This is too much fun.

If anything it could show that you're a confused individual that has no principles to stand on so you're mindlessly flapping about looking for attention. A man with no principles.

If you don't stand for something you'll fall for everything. Not a good look Manny, search for Jesus within.

[Kresbara]

https://semawur.com/humalitiating

[Manny98]

If anything it could show that you're a confused individual that has no principles to stand on so you're mindlessly flapping about looking for attention. A man with no principles.

If you don't stand for something you'll fall for everything. Not a good look Manny, search for Jesus within.

Again when did I say that LeBron has no GOAT argument

Just because don't suck him off 24/7 doesn't make me a hater

[Spurs m8]

Manny, the bron stans are just upset that you saw the light.

You've owned it and moved on...they should too

[Axe]

I don't get what you're doing hear, like the entire forum already knows that I used to be a massive LeBron stan :oldlol:

You're not really exposing anything bud

Plus I still have LeBron in my top 5 all time despite collusions, quitting and all the bitch made stuff he does on and off the court
Nice to see you ain't bandwagoning anymore.

[Mauzah]

But you saying James made them worse is you admitting that they weren't a superteam in 2012 or 2013.

Can't have it both ways, Paco

Hey dipsh*t, he had all the ingredients to make a superteam but lacked the fundamentals and leadership to do so. Are seriously this stupid?

[And1AllDay]

Hey dipsh*t, he had all the ingredients to make a superteam but lacked the fundamentals and leadership to do so. Are seriously this stupid?

2020 accts getting a little boom in there voice now??? :oldlol:


stfu noobert

[Mauzah]

Wrong as usual, I was on this forum back in 2001 with a whole other group of ISHiots.

[8Ball]

Another one:

https://i.ibb.co/k9Kd86w/Screen-Shot-2021-08-09-at-8-56-56-PM.png


LeBron is the Best player of all time.


LeBron doesn't make his teammates better.


:roll:

[8Ball]

Hey dipsh*t, he had all the ingredients to make a superteam but lacked the fundamentals and leadership to do so. Are seriously this stupid?

Are you seriously this stupid?

[Mauzah]

Are you seriously this stupid?

That's hilarious coming from you. Literally one of the most delusional posters here. I'm not trying to be mean but you are either a really bad troll or someone who honestly needs real life psychological help and either way you make the world a sadder place. Good job.

[SaintzFury13]

Hey dipsh*t, he had all the ingredients to make a superteam but lacked the fundamentals and leadership to do so. Are seriously this stupid?

So we are all in agreement now that LeBron never in fact played on a superteam before. Do I have that right?

[Mauzah]

So we are all in agreement now that LeBron never in fact played on a superteam before. Do I have that right?

On paper yes. On the court no.

Lebron lacked the fundamental basketball skills/leadership to pull off a superteam.

[Manny98]

So we are all in agreement now that LeBron never in fact played on a superteam before. Do I have that right?
https://i.postimg.cc/kGrsQwHB/1849a21d13e3e0b72d2ff176f1d5a0c1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZBNsqcv/611041344-e1476043824253.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/SR76W48v/lakers-westbrook-lebron-davis-1628304924065.jpg

[Mr. Woke]

LeBron is objectively a great leader, as well as someone who makes his teammates better.

Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

[SaintzFury13]

https://i.postimg.cc/kGrsQwHB/1849a21d13e3e0b72d2ff176f1d5a0c1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZBNsqcv/611041344-e1476043824253.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/SR76W48v/lakers-westbrook-lebron-davis-1628304924065.jpg

I am using his own logic against him to show how dumb his point is. Of course LeBron played on a super team before.

FYI, that second team wasn't a super team by any stretch of the imagination. And you might as well just call that third one a meme team at this point. The 2013 Miami Heat are the only legitimate super team he's ever played on.

[Axe]

The thing is any fancy names (even those who don't stand out anymore these days) his teams are going after for get highlighted usually, so the recruit stuff is kinda obvious with him somehow. And the most recent one is WB apparently.

[3ba11]

The thing is any fancy names (even those who don't stand out anymore these days) his teams are going after for get highlighted usually, so the recruit stuff is kinda obvious with him somehow. And the most recent one is WB apparently.


Only Lebron formed 3 different super-teams - so he's the king of colluding, while KD is the prince (that will overtake the king)

[Axe]

Only Lebron formed 3 different super-teams - so he's the king of colluding, while KD is the prince (that will overtake the king)
Still better than being 1-9 without the 'role player' you're hating also.