View Full Version : The Lebron Effect
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 08:59 PM
Dennis Schroder 2020 without Lebron - 19ppg on 47%
Dennis Schroder 2021 with Lebron - 15ppg on 43%
Kyle Kuzma 2019 mostly without Lebron - 19ppg on 46%
Kyle Kuzma 2020/21 with Lebron - 12ppg on 43%
Andre Drummond 2021 without Lebron - 18ppg/14rpg
Andre Drummond 2021 with Lebron - 11ppg/10rpg
Montrezl Harrell 2020 without Lebron - 19ppg/7rpg
Montrezl Harrell 2021 with Lebron - 13ppg/6rpg
Anthony Davis 2017/18/19 without Lebron - 28ppg/11rpg
Anthony Davis 2021 with Lebron - 21ppg/8rpg
JR Smith 2012/13/14 without Lebron - 15ppg on 42%
JR Smith 2015/16/17 with Lebron - 11ppg on 38%
Kevin Love 2011/12/13/14 without lebron - 24ppg/14rpg
Kevin Love 2015/16/17/18 with lebron - 17ppg/10rpg on 43%
Isaiah Thomas 2017 without lebron - 29ppg on 46%
Isaiah Thomas 2018 with Lebron - 14ppg on 36%
Dwyane wade 2006,07,08,09,10 without lebron - 27ppg, 5rpg, 7 apg
Dwyane Wade 2011,12,13,14 with lebron - 22ppg/5rpg/4apg
Chris Bosh 2010 without lebron - 24ppg, 11rpg
Chris bosh 2011,12,13,14 with lebron - 17ppg, 7rpg
Shaquille O'neal 2009 without lebron - 18ppg, 8rpg
Shaquille O'neal 2010 with lebron - 12ppg, 6rpg
Antawn Jamison 2010 without lebron - 20ppg, 9rpg
Antawn Jamison 2010 with lebron - 16ppg, 7rpg
Larry Hughes 2005 without lebron - 22ppg, 6rpg, 5apg on 43%
Larry Hughes 2006 with Lebron - 15ppg, 4rpg, 3apg on 41%
Ben Wallace 2007 without lebron - all defensive team
Ben Wallace 2008 with lebron - scrub
Wally Szczerbiak 2007 without lebron - 15ppg on 42%
Wally Szczerbiak 2008 with lebron - 8ppg on 36%
Delonte West before knowing lebron -
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Delonte West after knowing lebron -
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and yet people still flock to lebron knowing even if they win the media won't give them any credit and their careers are ruined
feel free to add some i missed
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 09:04 PM
space jam without lebron -
budget - 80 million
box office - 250 million
space jam with lebron -
budget - 250 million
box office - 94 million
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3ba11
08-10-2021, 09:04 PM
he never made anyone better at basketball because no player improved statistically during a tenure alongside him
otoh, guys like bj, grant and pippen grew by leaps and bounds alongside jordan
the difference is that lebron's skill restriction to unassisted, ball-dominance reduces teammates to spot-up roles, while Jordan's scoring was partially-assisted by teammates, which elevates their role and capacity for production
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 09:07 PM
a league mvp wearing #23 and tossing powder without lebron - 0 finals losses
a league mvp wearing #23 and tossing powder with lebron - 6 finals losses
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Pip' N Rodman
08-10-2021, 09:45 PM
Can you do kyries stats?
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 10:09 PM
Can you do kyries stats?
he played isolation break down dribbles hero ball you dumb f*ck lmao
remember this post i made exposing lebron for kyrie carrying the cavs to their first 3 finals wins before the games became blow outs? well guess how many times lebron assisted kyrie? .... once LOL
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the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time. proof
kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.
in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.
cavs first victory:
0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
game over... cavs never looked back
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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96
game over.. cavs never looked back
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cavs 3rd victory
0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim
game over ... cavs never looked back
all in all...
kyrie scored 51 points in key moments
lebron scored 26 pointsin key moments
:roll:
SATAN
08-10-2021, 10:26 PM
OP seems obsessed with LeBron
DevBooker'sMask
08-10-2021, 10:28 PM
OP seems obsessed with LeBron
I wonder if a restraining order is necessary at this point
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 10:33 PM
I wonder if a restraining order is necessary at this point
translation - "we can't argue this. bail"
take 1-2 year breaks all the time from here cause its too easy for me to destroy you people.
The fact that you have to make threads about him shows that he pawns you by renting free iyh.
kennygriffin
08-10-2021, 10:37 PM
The fact that you have to make threads about him shows that he pawns you by renting free iyh.
tell me more how my opinion hurts you
tell me more how my opinion hurts you
Nvm. Just for the sake of saying the truth. That's all.
FultzNationRISE
08-10-2021, 11:24 PM
So if he makes other stars worse...
And he makes role players worse...
How does he have four titles/four FMVPs, with three DIFFERENT franchises, in what is by far the most talented and competitive era of the sport's history?
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3ba11
08-10-2021, 11:56 PM
So if he makes other stars worse...
And he makes role players worse...
How does he have four titles/four FMVPs, with three DIFFERENT franchises, in what is by far the most talented and competitive era of the sport's history?
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Dirk's 8 seed nearly beat the 14' Spurs in a massive upset, while Dirk also beat Lebron in 2011 - so Dirk would be 4/4 with Wade/Bosh.
That's just one example.. Heck, CP3 probably goes 3/4 with Wade/Bosh
So Lebron underachieves given the goat help that he's had - he's 4/11 since the "decision" to form super-teams, and that includes 2 lucky wins/bailouts.. he's a lucky bounce away from being a 2/10 bum.
FultzNationRISE
08-11-2021, 12:03 AM
Dirk's 8 seed nearly beat the 14' Spurs in a massive upset, while Dirk also beat Lebron in 2011 - so Dirk would be 4/4 with Wade/Bosh.
That's just one example.. Heck, CP3 probably goes 3/4 with Wade/Bosh
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3ba11
08-11-2021, 12:10 AM
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you guys said the 14' Spurs were unstoppable, yet Dirk nearly beat them with an 8 seed - so Lebron's record loss proves he sucks
* 2/4 with Wade/Bosh including the goat choke and record loss is the worst you can do - that isn't a top 10 all-time performance
* 1/3 with Kyrie and barely 50 wins is also not a top 10 all-time performance
* lottery in the West without AD is not a top 10 all-time performance.
Given his supporting talent, he should have 7 or 8 rings, like he said he would
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