View Full Version : Imagine your cast is so scrubby that you must act mean to "toughen them up"
3ba11
08-12-2021, 04:37 PM
Otoh, Lebron gets ready-made stars and doesn't have to do shit to make them better - he infact makes them worse, as it's been well-documented.
An excerpt from the recent story on Longley:
Jordan has explained that his ultimate desire to win led to him being harsh on his teammates. He felt he needed to take the responsibility for his teammates performing better. And he would do all he could in practice and during games to ensure that his teammates would step up whenever he needed them to.
When Jordan came out of retirement for the first time in 1995, he came back to a completely new look Chicago Bulls squad. Other than Scottie Pippen, Jordan was dealing with almost an entirely new squad. So they had no idea what it was like to play with Jordan.
After the Bulls exited the playoffs in 1995, Jordan made sure all his teammates came back immediately to prepare for the new season. Jordan was extremely harsh on his new teammates, as he felt that he had toughened them up and make sure that they would perform at the highest level.
To get that to happen, he would be very harsh with them, using strong language and being tough on them during their practice. And he would often berate and punish them if he felt that they needed it to be better. And according to Pick And Roll Australia, this happened to Bulls' big man Luc Longley. In his book, Longley wrote about his first experience playing with Michael Jordan.
Initially, he did not like Jordan, because of how Jordan treated him. And the two would clash constantly in practice. When Jordan returned, he turned his attention to Longley to make sure he improves. After a run of games in 1995 where the Bulls were struggling, Jordan sternly warned Longley that he needs to not fumble his passes, and if he did, Jordan would throw the ball directly at his face. During another game, Jordan gave the ball to Scottie Pippen, who passed the ball to Longley, but Longley let the ball go out of bounds. This caused Jordan to scream at Pippen reminding him that he was not to pass the ball to Longley.
“I’d have to say after he came back, I really didn’t like the guy,” Longley wrote in his 1996 book, Running With the Bulls. “I found him difficult to be around and he and I obviously didn’t see eye-to-eye. We were at each other’s throats in practice and … that was a case of frustration from both of us, mostly from him.”
Shortly after Jordan's return in 1995, Longley became one of his targets. The then three-time champion accepted nothing less than excellence, and had little patience for mistakes on the court.
"I told Luc," Jordan said after a few games back, in 1995. "if he doesn't catch any more of my passes, I'm going to hit him right in the face with it. I'm going to start throwing them right at his head."
On another occasion, Jordan threw the ball out to Scottie Pippen on a fast break. Pippen took one dribble and passed ahead to Longley, who lost the ball out of bounds. "I told you," Jordan yelled at Pippen, "don't ever pass him the ball on the break."
Jordan and Longley would eventually recover their relationship, and become valued teammates for each other. Recently, Jordan even did a 30-minute interview with ABC Australia to talk about Luc Longley for his docuseries. Jordan was clearly very harsh on his teammates, but no one can argue with the results that he had.
During his second stint in Chicago, Jordan and the Bulls won three consecutive NBA championships between 1996 and 1998. It was the franchise and Jordan's second three-peat, after their first one between 1991 and 1993. While his teammates may not have liked his methods, Jordan was successful in finding success.
Airupthere
08-12-2021, 04:39 PM
This is a completely different strategy than banana boating with future star teammates.
1987_Lakers
08-12-2021, 04:47 PM
MJ almost got his ass handed to by Parish when he tried to pull those same tactics on him.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you like these other guys. I’ve got some rings too. At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that, he didn’t bother me.”
StrongLurk
08-12-2021, 04:49 PM
At the end of the day, Jordan got his rings in the weakest time period of the 3-point era.
It is what it is.
Airupthere
08-12-2021, 04:50 PM
MJ almost got his ass handed to by Parish when he tried to pull those same tactics on him.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you like these other guys. I’ve got some rings too. At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that, he didn’t bother me.”
Lol. Grumpy old man just tired of competing anymore. :oldlol: I don't know what this post proves. Would you really expect a 42 year old Parish crank up his game and competitiveness at that age?
MJ almost got his ass handed to by Parish when he tried to pull those same tactics on him.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you like these other guys. I’ve got some rings too. At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that, he didn’t bother me.”
Lol. Grumpy old man just tired of competing anymore. :oldlol: I don't know what this post proves. Would you really expect a 42 year old Parish crank up his game and competitiveness at that age?
Bill Cartwright who was probably only around 30-31 did the same thing to MJ. MJ tried to embarrass Cartwright either in the locker room or at a practice. Cartwright pulled him aside and told him "Look, if you ever do anything like that again, you will never play basketball again because I will break both of your legs."
90sgoat
08-12-2021, 05:18 PM
MJ was an unlikeable asshole.
That's why I have Bird as GOAT.
3ba11
08-12-2021, 05:37 PM
Bill Cartwright who was probably only around 30-31 did the same thing to MJ. MJ tried to embarrass Cartwright either in the locker room or at a practice. Cartwright pulled him aside and told him "Look, if you ever do anything like that again, you will never play basketball again because I will break both of your legs."
Listen to Chris Broussard here - he says that people often say "who did Jordan beat?".... And Broussard responds by saying "who did he HAVE?" (on his team)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_rA3emJMjs&t=11m33s
Ultimately, guys like Cartwright, ancient Parish, Longley - you name it - almost all of them were so scrubby that MJ had to play tough guy to get them ready - imagine having a cast so scrubby that it was necessary to do that.. A stark contrast from Lebron's super-teams of ready-made stars.
And1AllDay
08-12-2021, 05:42 PM
MJ almost got his ass handed to by Parish when he tried to pull those same tactics on him.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you like these other guys. I’ve got some rings too. At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that, he didn’t bother me.”
:oldlol: wrekt
Smoke117
08-12-2021, 05:58 PM
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Listen to Chris Broussard here - he says that people often say "who did Jordan beat?".... And Broussard responds by saying "who did he HAVE?" (on his team)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_rA3emJMjs&t=11m33s
Ultimately, guys like Cartwright, ancient Parish, Longley - you name it - almost all of them were so scrubby that MJ had to play tough guy to get them ready - imagine having a cast so scrubby that it was necessary to do that.. A stark contrast from Lebron's super-teams of ready-made stars.
So what you are admitting is that MJ was so weak that he was getting punked out by "scrubby" teammates (your description, not mine) such as Cartwright and Parish. Gotcha!
3ba11
08-12-2021, 06:31 PM
So what you are admitting is that MJ was so weak that he was getting punked out by "scrubby" teammates (your description, not mine) such as Cartwright and Parish. Gotcha!
For example, Bird didn't have to be hard on McHale, Parish or DJ...
But the weakness of Jordan's cast required him to WILL them to be better and be hard on them - almost like they were children - that's how bad they were - if Jordan had a super-team, then he wouldn't need to be like that. Only horrific casts require that kind of treatment.
Here's Krause describing how Jordan built young Pippen:
“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?
Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.
Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."
https://www.espn.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558
ScottieQuitting
08-12-2021, 07:05 PM
Incredibly generous for Michael Jordan to do an extensive sit down interview, when he doesn’t do many, for a guy who ultimately truly wasn’t that important to them winning three more championships.
And he should be hard on Luc Longley. The proof is in the pudding with him as a leader. They won three championships in a row. So it worked. Regardless of how tough or ruthless he could be.
And to be frank Longley deserved it anyway. Michael spoonfed an assist in game 6 vs the magic in the 95 playoffs. And Longley, inexplicably didn’t dunk it, being the softie he was … instead attempted a layup, at 7 foot 2, and STILL missed it.
Causing the Bulls to lose the game.
If he converts that assist, that Michael created for him by drawing extra defenders. That’s series goes seven games and they probably end up getting to the finals.
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:13 PM
Bill Cartwright who was probably only around 30-31 did the same thing to MJ. MJ tried to embarrass Cartwright either in the locker room or at a practice. Cartwright pulled him aside and told him "Look, if you ever do anything like that again, you will never play basketball again because I will break both of your legs."
:oldlol:
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:14 PM
Incredibly generous for Michael Jordan to do an extensive sit down interview, when he doesn’t do many, for a guy who ultimately truly wasn’t that important to them winning three more championships.
And he should be hard on Luc Longley. The proof is in the pudding with him as a leader. They won three championships in a row. So it worked. Regardless of how tough or ruthless he could be.
And to be frank Longley deserved it anyway. Michael spoonfed an assist in game 6 vs the magic in the 95 playoffs. And Longley, inexplicably didn’t dunk it, being the softie he was … instead attempted a layup, at 7 foot 2, and STILL missed it.
Causing the Bulls to lose the game.
If he converts that assist, that Michael created for him by drawing extra defenders. That’s series goes seven games and they probably end up getting to the finals.
LeBron would be crucified for not taking the shot. The double standards from LeHaters are outrageous.
Airupthere
08-12-2021, 08:19 PM
LeBron would be crucified for not taking the shot. The double standards from LeHaters are outrageous.
Deferring to a better shot and playing hot potato are two different things
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:29 PM
Deferring to a better shot and playing hot potato are two different things
LeBron was HIGHLY criticized for passing from the 3 point line to an open team mate right under the basket ffs. Who cares if the person guarding is smaller. The chances of scoring is higher if someone is right under the basket.
3ba11
08-12-2021, 08:30 PM
LeBron was HIGHLY criticized for passing from the 3 point line to an open team mate right under the basket ffs
How many games are won with a short guard catching a pass and making a shot amongst the trees in the paint......
versus how many games are won by a superstar pulling up for a jumper?
so lebron had the best chance to score, but he deferred to lesser teammates - that's an achilles heel of his and it showed up bigtime to lose that game
Op yet with another pathetic thread to get a massive beatdown once again.
3ba11
08-12-2021, 08:33 PM
Op yet with another pathetic thread to get a massive beatdown once again.
which post specifically was a "beatdown"
you're in your own world again axe... and what kind of name is axe - not from the show billions i hope... :facepalm:... couldn't be further from the truth
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:44 PM
How many games are won with a short guard catching a pass and making a shot amongst the trees in the paint......
You don't even seem to know what I'm talking about...
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:44 PM
And stop editing your replies fgt
3ba11
08-12-2021, 08:45 PM
And stop editing your replies fgt
How many games are won with a short guard catching a pass and making a shot amongst the trees in the paint......
versus how many games are won by a superstar pulling up for a jumper?
so lebron had the best chance to score, but he deferred to lesser teammates - that's an achilles heel of his and it showed up bigtime to lose that game
SATAN
08-12-2021, 08:51 PM
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3ba11
08-12-2021, 08:52 PM
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It's a simple question
How many games are won with a short guard catching a pass and making a shot amongst the trees in the paint......
versus how many games are won by a superstar pulling up for a jumper?
so lebron had the best chance to score, but he deferred to lesser teammates - that's an achilles heel of his and it showed up bigtime to lose that game
Vino24
08-13-2021, 12:20 AM
Scrubby cast equals 54 wins without its best player?
nayte
08-13-2021, 02:58 AM
Cant say I like that sort of leadership. I get what he was trying to do and the results show it. Still I can get why his team mates didn't like him too much
FKAri
08-13-2021, 10:48 AM
Op yet with another pathetic thread to get a massive beatdown once again.
It's what makes his threads so entertaining. :oldlol:
which post specifically was a "beatdown"
you're in your own world again axe... and what kind of name is axe - not from the show billions i hope... :facepalm:... couldn't be further from the truth
See how clueless you've become due to your obsession with kong and tree trunk pippen. It seems you cannot recognize things outside of them anymore. xP
sdot_thadon
08-13-2021, 04:36 PM
Imagine trying to punch out the smallest weakest guy on your roster on practice.....
3ba11
08-13-2021, 04:45 PM
Imagine trying to punch out the smallest weakest guy on your roster on practice.....
Jordan knocked out 7-footers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXHOJ35IN4&t=01m16s
shit was tougher back then
sdot_thadon
08-13-2021, 06:09 PM
Jordan knocked out 7-footers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXHOJ35IN4&t=01m16s
shit was tougher back then
I'll just say he knew who he could try and who to leave alone. Stayed his ass away from Mad Max for sure.
3ba11
08-13-2021, 06:15 PM
I'll just say he knew who he could try and who to leave alone. Stayed his ass away from Mad Max for sure.
After he drop-steps and overpowers Olajuwon with the left hand, Jordan busts up Maxwell in a confrontation at midcourt (starts at 35 second mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NH_0qbsOPY
Jordan loved mixing it up with Maxwell because Maxwell gave him action - Maxwell cared as much as Jordan
sdot_thadon
08-13-2021, 06:31 PM
After he drop-steps and overpowers Olajuwon with the left hand, Jordan busts up Maxwell in a confrontation at midcourt (starts at 35 second mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NH_0qbsOPY
Jordan loved mixing it up with Maxwell because Maxwell gave him action - Maxwell cared as much as Jordan
“(Jordan) used to talk to me all the time during the games,” Maxwell said. “He’d say: ‘Aw Max, this is what the media wants to see. Don’t mess anything up. Don’t do this. You don’t have to do that. Why you doing this? Let’s just play the game.’ That’s why I knew I was under his skin. Oh yes, I know it."
SATAN
08-13-2021, 06:58 PM
Jordan knocked out 7-footers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXHOJ35IN4&t=01m16s
shit was tougher back then
He didn't knock out anyone.
3ba11
08-13-2021, 07:33 PM
“(Jordan) used to talk to me all the time during the games,” Maxwell said. “He’d say: ‘Aw Max, this is what the media wants to see. Don’t mess anything up. Don’t do this. You don’t have to do that. Why you doing this? Let’s just play the game.’ That’s why I knew I was under his skin. Oh yes, I know it."
Wow, completely patronizing towards Maxwell... talking down to him... that's amazing trash talk and Maxwell sounds like he doesn't realize he was being talked down to...
indeed, the legend continues to grow... What would be the equivalent for Lebron - Lance Stephenson blowing in his ear and then Lebron teaming up with him??... lol
3ba11
09-16-2021, 12:25 PM
MJ almost got his ass handed to by Parish when he tried to pull those same tactics on him.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you like these other guys. I’ve got some rings too. At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that, he didn’t bother me.”
And that's the beauty of it - Jordan adjusted and stopped yelling at Parish, just like he would if he formed a super-team and had a bunch of good teammates that he didn't have to yell at
but the Bulls were a bunch of scrubby bums that Jordan had to treat like children to get them in line - it shows how weak his cast was but people never talk about that - they only talk about Jordan yelling and act like he was yelling at stars - he wasn't - he was yelling at bums - that's why he was yelling - they were bums.
Snivelly ran away from the other threads after I annihilated him in them.
3ba11
09-16-2021, 12:42 PM
Snivelly ran away from the other threads after I annihilated him in them.
I was tired of ragdolling you and assumed you gave up like you always do
3ba11
09-16-2021, 01:00 PM
16-6. Poor snivelly.
Pierce is 21-18 against Lebron
Kawhi is 9-5 against Lebron
They had clearly better teams when they beat LeBron. When the teams were closer LeBron won. Try again snivelly.
3ba11
09-16-2021, 01:17 PM
They had clearly better teams when they beat LeBron. When the teams were closer LeBron won. Try again snivelly.
Lebron had the league favorite from 2009-2016, so no... Lebron had the better teams and made all the Finals, but won less chips than Kobe
MadDog
09-16-2021, 01:22 PM
Lebron had the league favorite from 2009-2016, so no... Lebron had the better teams and made all the Finals, but won less chips than Kobe
Not true. Preseason odds had The Lakers as league favorite in 2009 and 2010. You need to stop underplaying Kobe's teammates.
Lebron had the league favorite from 2009-2016, so no... Lebron had the better teams and made all the Finals, but won less chips than Kobe
1. He did not win less chips. 2002 playoffs series vs Kings was confirmed as rigged. Kobe has 4 rings. And Shaq gave him two of them.
2. LeBron was not the favorite in 2009 and 2010 you’re retarded. 2014 Heat were a mess, Wade was done. Sours were better.
3. Snivelly
Not true. The Lakers were the league favorite in 2009 and 2010. You need to stop trying to underplay Kobe's teammates.
He admits he thinks LeBron is better by saying he expects LeBron to win with trash over Kobe with a solid cast :lol
He’s so stupid. Imagine being stupid enough to be bad at arguing MJ is GOAT (seriously how could anyone be bad at that? It’s such an easy argument)
MadDog
09-16-2021, 01:39 PM
He admits he thinks LeBron is better by saying he expects LeBron to win with trash over Kobe with a solid cast :lol
He’s so stupid. Imagine being stupid enough to be bad at arguing MJ is GOAT (seriously how could anyone be bad at that? It’s such an easy argument)
Cleveland was very good defensively, and had decent pieces around LeBron. You don't win 66 games in the NBA with trash lol. If the comparison is with the Lakers though then I see your point. My thing is, why pretend so and so were "favorites" when there are posters here who actually watched. :confusedshrug: It was the Lakers and Celtics league in 2009 & 2010. Both preseason & vegas odds agree.
3ball's arguments are coming full circle. They're erratic because he's thinking of Kobe when trying to argue for Jordan. Its bad faith and why he'll never be consistent.
Cleveland was very good defensively, and had decent pieces around LeBron. You don't win 66 games in the NBA with trash lol. If the comparison is with the Lakers though then I see your point. My thing is, why make a claim saying so and so were favorites, when there are posters here who actually watched. :confusedshrug: It was the Lakers and Celtics league in 2009 & 2010. Both preseason & vegas odds agree.
3ball's arguments are coming full circle. They're erratic because he's thinking of Kobe when trying to argue for Jordan. Its bad faith and why he'll never be consistent.
I know. I love getting him with the Kobe stuff lol. He has no chance of beating anyone with this inconsistent nonsense.
tpols
09-16-2021, 02:04 PM
MJ definitely did use his status as GOAT basketball player to act like a tough guy. He wasn't even a fighter but acted like one because he (and they) knew he had the power to kick your ass off the team if you hit him and possibly blackball your career. That's kind of cowardly.
ShawkFactory
09-16-2021, 02:19 PM
Jordan knocked out 7-footers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXHOJ35IN4&t=01m16s
shit was tougher back then
Lol you serious with this shit? He took a swing at Perdue, didn't connect all the way, and then Perdue was told by everyone to back off when he started to engage. That's why nobody fought Jordan. It's nothing to do with his physical toughness.
Lol you serious with this shit? He took a swing at Perdue, didn't connect all the way, and then Perdue was told by everyone to back off when he started to engage. That's why nobody fought Jordan. It's nothing to do with his physical toughness.
Of course he’s not serious he’s a Kobe stan pretending to be a Jordan fan.
3ba11
09-16-2021, 02:35 PM
MJ definitely did use his status as GOAT basketball player to act like a tough guy. He wasn't even a fighter but acted like one because he (and they) knew he had the power to kick your ass off the team if you hit him and possibly blackball your career. That's kind of cowardly.
MJ was the ultimate alpha in that he didn't seek a fight, but if you disrespected him, it didn't matter how big you were
And who disrespected him? Laimbeer?... Jordan swung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCvAIkSHr4) on Laimbeer...
Who else disrespected MJ? not many guys disrespected him because they knew he wasn't a punk.. Otoh, we see guys in today's game get shoved to the ground because everyone knows they're punks and won't do anything.. that kind of stuff never happened to Jordan
ShawkFactory
09-16-2021, 02:53 PM
MJ was the ultimate alpha in that he didn't seek a fight, but if you disrespected him, it didn't matter how big you were
And who disrespected him? Laimbeer?... Jordan swung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCvAIkSHr4) on Laimbeer...
Who else disrespected MJ? not many guys disrespected him because they knew he wasn't a punk.. Otoh, we see guys in today's game get shoved to the ground because everyone knows they're punks and won't do anything.. that kind of stuff never happened to Jordan
That looked like a cat swatting at a toy :lol
tpols
09-16-2021, 02:55 PM
MJ was the ultimate alpha in that he didn't seek a fight, but if you disrespected him, it didn't matter how big you were
And who disrespected him? Laimbeer?... Jordan swung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCvAIkSHr4) on Laimbeer...
Who else disrespected MJ? not many guys disrespected him because they knew he wasn't a punk.. Otoh, we see guys in today's game get shoved to the ground because everyone knows they're punks and won't do anything.. that kind of stuff never happened to Jordan
I know MJ wasn't a punk or flopper or bitch like LeBron or whatever but he pretty clearly used to abuse role players because of his corporate authority and status. You never hear about him swinging on Pippen because team wouldn't axe Pippen. He swung on old vets and role player scrubs he knew he had ultimate power over win or lose. He picked on the weak. MJ wasn't no X-man or Artest or Oakley.
AlternativeAcc.
09-16-2021, 03:16 PM
Jordan's lack of leadership qualities is why I have him so low on my all time list. He just wasn't a leader. Being the best player on a team is different than being a leader. Phil and Pip were the leaders on those Bulls teams
Jordan was a talented scorer who without pippens and Phil's guidance would've never won anything.... he never really accomplished anything before or after phil... in life. He was a 3rd option scrub in college, he lost miserably every year before pippen... he was a miserable baseball player... worst gm of all time... got his dad killed, etc
Jordan was a loser who got lucky.... that's my take. He's nowhere close to being a leader..
3ball you need to read some books about leadership.. you don't have a clue what the word even means. It's more complex than you think
Jordan was a talented scorer who got preferential treatment within the organization and was coddled and used like a pawn by Phil and pippen... Jordan was a pawn ... pippen was a king
expansionera
09-16-2021, 03:30 PM
Jordan was a pawn ... pippen was a king
*mic drop* there it is :lol
One of the biggest parts of Phil’s job was managing MichaeL’s malignant behavior toward his teammates. From punching Steve Kerr in the face to throwing impossible passes to veteran center Cartwright, Jordan did everything he could to alienate himself from teammates.
Few decades later Lebron has guys begging to play with him to increase their value and longevity. LeEndowed with leadership :applause:
Hey Yo
09-16-2021, 04:28 PM
Lebron had the league favorite from 2009-2016, so no... Lebron had the better teams and made all the Finals, but won less chips than Kobe
4 >>>>>> Kobe's 2
*mic drop* there it is :lol
One of the biggest parts of Phil’s job was managing MichaeL’s malignant behavior toward his teammates. From punching Steve Kerr in the face to throwing impossible passes to veteran center Cartwright, Jordan did everything he could to alienate himself from teammates.
Few decades later Lebron has guys begging to play with him to increase their value and longevity. LeEndowed with leadership :applause:
This dup :roll:
Gohan
09-17-2021, 04:10 AM
This dup :roll:
Quite a delusional alt but a funny one
AussieSteve
09-17-2021, 07:16 AM
Imagine your cast is so scrubby that they come within a bucket of beating the conference champs in 6 games.
Shogon
09-17-2021, 07:30 AM
MJ was the ultimate alpha in that he didn't seek a fight, but if you disrespected him, it didn't matter how big you were
And who disrespected him? Laimbeer?... Jordan swung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCvAIkSHr4) on Laimbeer...
Who else disrespected MJ? not many guys disrespected him because they knew he wasn't a punk.. Otoh, we see guys in today's game get shoved to the ground because everyone knows they're punks and won't do anything.. that kind of stuff never happened to Jordan
Bullshit.
MJ was a fake "alpha" at best.
“I’m telling the server to water his drinks down ‘cause I see where this is going. Mike stares across the table at Michael Jordan. He says, ‘Hey man, you think I’m stupid? I know you f—-d with my b—h.’
“Jordan looks like he just seen a ghost. ‘I know you messed with her. You can tell me.’
“Jordan, it’s obvious he just wants to get up and run. He wants no part of this. Mike turns to Ditka. ‘Man, you think somebody scared of you, all that racist s–t you been talking?’ He says to Dent, ‘Y’all scared of this damn white man, Richard? He ain’t nobody. You gonna let him talk that way?’
“It was a circus, for real, that night. Don King trying to change the subject. Me and John trying to hold Mike down. Mike telling everyone he’s going to bust Jordan’s a–. Jordan’s dressed sharp as always and he can’t get out of there fast enough.”
A true alpha does not back down from anyone, even if it is Mike Tyson. That's what makes them an alpha. They are beyond irrationally confident. Win or lose does not matter, if you back down, you're already out of the convo. Alpha literally means not backing down and being socially/physically dominant. And that's fine. My ass would have been out of the restaurant a lot sooner than that, but let's not say things that aren't true. You can't flee the scene scared for your life and be labeled an alpha. You would only be an "alpha" among a really really weak group of males, if that is the case.
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