Have any 1st options shot 35% in a playoff series?

[3ba11]

Or only Lebron?

Lebron shot 35% against the 07' Spurs and 08' Celtics, and lost as the favorite from 09-11', so he sucked until 2012

And he still sucked in 2012 because he only won by forming super-team - so he's been overrated his entire career - he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer.

[8Ball]

What should I do about this personal information of yours that is floating around from the deleted thread :oldlol:

[3ba11]

What should I do about this personal information of yours that is floating around from the deleted thread :oldlol:


^^^ that's the response of someone that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

[Manny98]

Jordan against the Heat in 97

[HoopsNY]

Jordan against the Heat in 97

He shot 39%.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe shot 35% against the Blazers in 02

[3ba11]

Kobe shot 35% against the Blazers in 02


That's the best you guys can do?.... Most people (including you) think Shaq was #1 option on those runs

So just think - Lebron was the worst 1st option ever in the 2007 Finals and 2008 ECSF.... Then he lost as the favorite from 2009-2011.... Then he formed super-teams to cover it all up.. the guy sucks - biggest fraud ever.. his garbage ball-dominant brand can't win without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer... pretty sad

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan’s biggest rival shot 36% in his only Finals. As a center

[Ne 1]

Forming a super team on Pat Riley's watch is still the lie y'all wanna believe so badly. You doing all this crying for your love affair with Jordan and it's hilarious because you've ran out of shit to say, just whining at this point. But do tell us how does a guy form a super team with nobody else's consent?

I gotta hear the reach

[3ba11]

Jordan’s biggest rival shot 36% in his only Finals. As a center


Ewing was more of a whipping boy than a rival - Ewing had a better-producing sidekick in 3 series against Jordan, but lost all 3 (89' ECSF, 92', ECSF, 96' ECSF)

And Ewing nearly beat Hakeem with 18 on 36%, so there's no way the Bulls lose in 94' with MJ....

95' is a different story because Hakeem had a legit sidekick in Drexler, whose performance that year exceeded Pippen's best - those Rockets swept peak Shaq/Penny/Grant, while the 96' Bulls swept Shaq/Penny (grant was hurt)... so there's a good chance the Bulls lose to the 95' Rockets..

[tpols]

Lebron couldn't handle KG and Duncan in the paint. There was no free rim runs. Even Tyson Chandler shut him down to 18 PPG.

I'm telling you... these guys like Lebron, Westbrook, and Giannis wouldn't be shit in the 90s with all those GOAT defensive centers and packed paints. They'd be killed by guys like MJ, Barkley and Hakeem who had GOAT skill on top of the athleticism. Even Karl Malone too. David Robinson too if he ever had a great teammate before Duncan which he didn't.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron couldn't handle KG and Duncan in the paint. There was no free rim runs. Even Tyson Chandler shut him down to 18 PPG.

I'm telling you... these guys like Lebron, Westbrook, and Giannis wouldn't be shit in the 90s with all those GOAT defensive centers and packed paints. They'd be killed by guys like MJ, Barkley and Hakeem who had GOAT skill on top of the athleticism. Even Karl Malone too. David Robinson too if he ever had a great teammate before Duncan which he didn't.

Nice job nitpicking stats, LeBron also averaged like 35 a game vs Orlando in '09 that had DPOY Dwight. And the reason why teams in the playoffs had success vs Giannis in the past was because they played a zone, zone was illegal in the 90's.

[3ba11]

Nice job nitpicking stats, LeBron also averaged like 35 a game vs Orlando in '09 that had DPOY Dwight. And the reason why teams in the playoffs had success vs Giannis in the past was because they played a zone, zone was illegal in the 90's.


No threes/spacing and no defensive 3 in the 90's or 80's... so the paints STAYED packed for the entire possession.. paint scoring was much harder because guys didn't shoot threes (so the 3-point line wasn't guarded)

[ShawkFactory]

Nice job nitpicking stats, LeBron also averaged like 35 a game vs Orlando in '09 that had DPOY Dwight. And the reason why teams in the playoffs had success vs Giannis in the past was because they played a zone, zone was illegal in the 90's.

Yea and the reason he had trouble with the Celtics and Spurs was because of the way they game planned and played defense as a team.

[1987_Lakers]

No threes/spacing and no defensive 3 in the 90's or 80's... so the paints STAYED packed for the entire possession.. paint scoring was much harder because guys didn't shoot threes (so the 3-point line wasn't guarded)

You are a dummy, the '96 & '97 Bulls averaged around 17 three attempts a game, the Cavs from '07-10 averaged around 17-20 attempts a game, very similar.

[And1AllDay]

ayo doesnt mike have the 2nd and 5th lowest ever fg% for all 52 fmvp winners???

:oldlol:

lock it up

:dancin

[tpols]

Nice job nitpicking stats, LeBron also averaged like 35 a game vs Orlando in '09 that had DPOY Dwight. And the reason why teams in the playoffs had success vs Giannis in the past was because they played a zone, zone was illegal in the 90's.

Nitpicking stats? Duncan and KG owned him head to head in the playoffs. Even after lebron formed a super team the Spurs ended the Heat with a record breaking point disparity in the Finals. And that was ancient Duncan.

Using that Magic series makes your argument even more laughable. The Cavs were massive favorites and lost. Lebron was single covered while Dwight was being doubled and tripled on the block because prior to his back injury later on, he was totally unstoppable in the post. He had a Shaq like aura where it was an automatic dunk without a double.

The fact is packed paints and elite shot blocking centers totally shut down simple ball dominators like Lebron and others. That's why he shot 35% and has always needed stretch 4s and 5s to play his game. Can't operate without extreme spacing to draw the shotblocker out the paint. That type of spacing didn't exist for most of NBA history.

[And1AllDay]

Nitpicking stats? Duncan and KG owned him head to head in the playoffs. Even after lebron formed a super team the Spurs ended the Heat with a record breaking point disparity in the Finals. And that was ancient Duncan.

Using that Magic series makes your argument even more laughable. The Cavs were massive favorites and lost. Lebron was single covered while Dwight was being doubled and tripled on the block because prior to his back injury later on, he was totally unstoppable in the post. He had a Shaq like aura where it was an automatic dunk without a double.

The fact is packed paints and elite shot blocking centers totally shut down simple ball dominators like Lebron and others. That's why he shot 35% and has always needed stretch 4s and 5s to play his game. Can't operate without extreme spacing to draw the shotblocker out the paint. That type of spacing didn't exist for most of NBA history.

thurston is this you?

https://i.postimg.cc/KYtdc73m/187392829-3907276539369309-252695273611603546-n.jpg

[tpols]

Yea and the reason he had trouble with the Celtics and Spurs was because of the way they game planned and played defense as a team.

Duncan and Garnett were the reason. Nothing more. He knew he had no free ride with those two. Old Duncan even owned him.

[And1AllDay]

thurston is this you?

https://i.postimg.cc/KYtdc73m/187392829-3907276539369309-252695273611603546-n.jpg

t pols thurston pols?

[1987_Lakers]

Nitpicking stats? Duncan and KG owned him head to head in the playoffs. Even after lebron formed a super team the Spurs ended the Heat with a record breaking point disparity in the Finals. And that was ancient Duncan.

Using that Magic series makes your argument even more laughable. The Cavs were massive favorites and lost. Lebron was single covered while Dwight was being doubled and tripled on the block because prior to his back injury later on, he was totally unstoppable in the post. He had a Shaq like aura where it was an automatic dunk without a double.

The fact is packed paints and elite shot blocking centers totally shut down simple ball dominators like Lebron and others. That's why he shot 35% and has always needed stretch 4s and 5s to play his game. Can't operate without extreme spacing to draw the shotblocker out the paint. That type of spacing didn't exist for most of NBA history.

Coming from a guy who said Siakam > Giannis. Sorry to break it to you, but you opinion is invalid.

I can make the same dumb nitpicks. Everytime MJ went up against Pat Riley's dominant defensive teams, he usually shit the bed. 40% in '93, 44% in '96, 39% in '97. Hell, he even shot 42% vs a #2 defense in the Finals in '96. Yet, you don't hear any fans or media saying MJ got exposed vs good defensive teams, because the good outweighs the bad, similar to LeBron. You and 3ball are just grasping for straws if we are being honest.

[Proctor]

What should I do about this personal information of yours that is floating around from the deleted thread :oldlol:
You were on your knees begging for that information from RRR3 a few days ago, and didn't get it. You have zero knowledge of anything personal about 3ball.

And the kicker...you named yourself after him. He has mindf*cked you incredibly bad. :roll:

[tpols]

Coming from a guy who said Siakam > Giannis. Sorry to break it to you, but you opinion is invalid.

I can make the same dumb nitpicks. Everytime MJ went up against Pat Riley's dominant defensive teams, he usually shit the bed. 40% in '93, 44% in '96, 39% in '97. Hell, he even shot 42% vs a #2 defense in the Finals in '96. Yet, you don't hear any fans or media saying MJ got exposed vs good defensive teams, because the good outweighs the bad, similar to LeBron. You and 3ball are just grasping for straws if we are being honest.

Pull the post dummy. It doesn't exist.

Strawmans don't work with me. You get owned here just like everywhere primo. Deflection is an admission of guilt.

[Manny98]

You were on your knees begging for that information from RRR3 a few days ago, and didn't get it. You have zero knowledge of anything personal about 3ball.

And the kicker...you named yourself after him. He has mindf*cked you incredibly bad. :roll:
:oldlol:

[tpols]

What should I do about this personal information of yours that is floating around from the deleted thread :oldlol:

You bron stans are hilarious. You get owned, logically, in every debate and then want to research peoples families over it. That proves you lose. And even then you get it wrong. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Coming from a guy who said Siakam > Giannis. Sorry to break it to you, but you opinion is invalid.

I can make the same dumb nitpicks. Everytime MJ went up against Pat Riley's dominant defensive teams, he usually shit the bed. 40% in '93, 44% in '96, 39% in '97. Hell, he even shot 42% vs a #2 defense in the Finals in '96. Yet, you don't hear any fans or media saying MJ got exposed vs good defensive teams, because the good outweighs the bad, similar to LeBron. You and 3ball are just grasping for straws if we are being honest.


Those are Jordan's worst efficiencies, which still destroy Lebron's weakest efficiencies, and Lebron was scoring 5-10 points less per game

It's sad because Lebron shot 35% and he was mostly going to the rack - he never could finish over length like MJ - he can't hang or shot-make like MJ and is weak off 2 legs (needed for finishing in traffic)

[1987_Lakers]

Pull the post dummy. It doesn't exist.

Strawmans don't work with me. You get owned here just like everywhere primo. Deflection is an admission of guilt.

Yet, you have no response to my previous post, right when I made my point about MJ also playing like shit vs good defenses you just go and say "I own you" instead of countering my argument. Who is really getting owned here?

[1987_Lakers]

Those are Jordan's worst efficiencies

Funny enough, they were also the best defensive teams he played throughout his Finals runs. Now should I go make a thread exposing MJ's poor play vs good defenses? :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Funny enough, they were also the best defensive teams he played throughout his Finals runs. Now should I go make a thread exposing MJ's poor play vs good defenses? :oldlol:


Jordan's worst wasn't as bad as Lebron's, and his best was better.

For example, Jordan's worst performances were better than some of Lebron's most heralded, like the 13' Finals.. His teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% for the first 3 games... His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to force Game 7... Lebron was a net negative for the series (Heat lost with him on the floor).. You won't be able to find stuff like that for Jordan... He never wet the bed... ever... Anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen wetting the bed - look it up

[And1AllDay]

thurston is this you?

https://i.postimg.cc/KYtdc73m/187392829-3907276539369309-252695273611603546-n.jpg

tpols?

[And1AllDay]

ayo doesnt mike have the 2nd and 5th lowest ever fg% for all 52 fmvp winners???

:oldlol:

lock it up

:dancin

3baLLLLLLLLLLL?

[3ba11]

You bron stans are hilarious. You get owned, logically, in every debate and then want to research peoples families over it. That proves you lose. And even then you get it wrong. :oldlol:


lol.. it's hilarious

[1987_Lakers]

lol.. it's hilarious

Not as hilarious as you claiming Oubre > Klay

1-9

[3ba11]

ayo doesnt mike have the 2nd and 5th lowest ever fg% for all 52 fmvp winners???

:oldlol:

lock it up

:dancin


only Jordan faced 5-on-1 defense because Jordan is the only guy that didn't have equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - everyone in history needed teammates to match or exceed them in scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ carried his team in every SERIES - Kenny Smith talks about Jordan being the only 1-man show here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

[SATAN]

Not as hilarious as you claiming Oubre > Klay

1-9

:roll:

[MrFonzworth]

You were on your knees begging for that information from RRR3 a few days ago, and didn't get it. You have zero knowledge of anything personal about 3ball.

And the kicker...you named yourself after him. He has mindf*cked you incredibly bad. :roll:

:yaohappy: