View Full Version : Would Lebron be able to stop Jordan with handcheck?
iamgine
08-14-2021, 02:26 AM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
He’d do a good job but no one really stopped MJ.
ELITEpower23
08-14-2021, 07:10 AM
If 6'1 Payton had him in a straight jacket...
Elosha
08-14-2021, 08:30 AM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
Since you're trolling, I will troll back with a grain of truth. LeBron would play him until it became winning time, then he would switch on defense to let someone else have Jordan hit the game-winning shot in his face. Al a Kevin Durant in 2018. And hey, he'd have a perfectly built-in excuse, guys are always supposed to switch on D, right? :cheers:
Lebron23
08-14-2021, 08:32 AM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
Yes. Reggie Lewis blocked him 4x
Elosha
08-14-2021, 08:57 AM
Yes. Reggie Lewis blocked him 4x
As I'm sure you know, Jordan destroyed Reggie Lewis, who is a great player, on a regular basis. Taking one game in which he got a couple blocks from behind and during which Jordan still scored a ton of points, doesn't really help your point.
Reggie was a very active defensive player, in particular he was a very quick lateral defender and had very long arms. Reggie's lateral movement in his prime was likely superior to LeBron's who frequently gets lost on crossovers or any quick move. And he's been that way throughout his career, with the arguable exception of his time at Miami where he played a bit better on man to man defense. Honestly Jordan was just way too quick for LeBron. He would blow by him routinely. I'm not saying LeBron would have no success with Jordan, his size athleticism and length would probably give Jordan problems at times, but I don't think MJ would really have that much trouble trouble with him man-to-man. Plus LeBron well known to become frustrated and passive when he's getting beaten, and Jordan's killer instinct would exploit that to its fullest.
j3lademaster
08-14-2021, 12:36 PM
If 6'1 Payton had him in a straight jacket...The lies need to stop. You want to argue Lebron > Jordan, fine. But at least try to be somewhat honest.
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sdot_thadon
08-14-2021, 02:20 PM
I imagine he'd have some success against him if he was able to do so to a person as fast as prime D.Rose and I've always maintained he'd be an absolute nightmare defensively in that era. However, Mj was so good at using the weight and contact against his defender that he would undoubtedly get his too. It would be a hell of a back and forth if we're talking lebron in his defensive prime. Does anyone think Mj would be able to trouble Lebron when the shoe is on the other foot and he's got to stop him?
Lebron23
08-14-2021, 03:07 PM
The lies need to stop. You want to argue Lebron > Jordan, fine. But at least try to be somewhat honest.
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He is closer to 6'2". At least 6'2.75".
8Ball
08-14-2021, 03:58 PM
Sorry nobody is stopping someone that scores 30 ppg for their career.
If LeBron was 26 and didn't have to score he could swallow up Jordan but thats hard.
Full Court
08-14-2021, 05:51 PM
Jordan could change directions too fast. Lebron might do better defending him than a lot of people did, but Lebron wouldn't stop him. Jordan always found a way to score on everybody.
warriorfan
08-14-2021, 05:54 PM
Blow by
tpols
08-14-2021, 06:22 PM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
What universe are you living in that Lebron is an elite 1v1 defender?
Lebrons defensive advantages rely on his transition chase down ability and perimeter help defense. He has let Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and Butler all go off on him as direct contemporaries.
MJ was cat quick and would have left a lumbering lebron completely in the dust off his first step every time.
Spurs m8
08-14-2021, 06:46 PM
Jordan would blow by the coward, just like KD embarrasses him.
SMALL chance he may get a chase down block if JR Smith was in front of him holding him up and he has an injured back...like Iggy...but even then...probably not
kawhileonard2
08-14-2021, 06:59 PM
KD killed him, Kawhi killed him, Booker embarassed him.
sdot_thadon
08-14-2021, 07:58 PM
What universe are you living in that Lebron is an elite 1v1 defender?
Lebrons defensive advantages rely on his transition chase down ability and perimeter help defense. He has let Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and Butler all go off on him as direct contemporaries.
MJ was cat quick and would have left a lumbering lebron completely in the dust off his first step every time.
Man how quickly they forget. Miami Lebron was an absolute wrecking ball on defense. Let's just remember being an elite anything doesn't mean you always gonna make it happen vs. other elites. Theres a reason for levels in the game.
Smoke117
08-14-2021, 08:03 PM
Lebron is so shit that you fakkots can’t stop talking about him. Hum…
Bankaii
08-14-2021, 08:15 PM
Lebron has absolutely locked up DRose, Tony Parker, even gave Curry PTSD for stretches in 2016.
This bs notion that he can’t guard quick players 1v1 is just that…bs.
3ba11
08-14-2021, 08:46 PM
What universe are you living in that Lebron is an elite 1v1 defender?
Lebrons defensive advantages rely on his transition chase down ability and perimeter help defense. He has let Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and Butler all go off on him as direct contemporaries.
MJ was cat quick and would have left a lumbering lebron completely in the dust off his first step every time.
Not only could Lebron not stay in front of Jordan, but Jordan wasn't like the predictable ballhandlers in today's game that catch the ball at the top of the key and start a live dribble.. Jordan caught the ball ALL OVER THE COURT and usually scored quickly upon the catch - Lebron lacks the footspeed and reaction time to deal with these types of scores, including chasing Jordan around screens and having his feet set in time to react to Jordan's move
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3ba11
08-14-2021, 09:06 PM
Man how quickly they forget. Miami Lebron was an absolute wrecking ball on defense. Let's just remember being an elite anything doesn't mean you always gonna make it happen vs. other elites. Theres a reason for levels in the game.
yeah bro, real tough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5lji2ZoIOM
trash
Smoke117
08-14-2021, 09:11 PM
What universe are you living in that Lebron is an elite 1v1 defender?
Lebrons defensive advantages rely on his transition chase down ability and perimeter help defense. He has let Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and Butler all go off on him as direct contemporaries.
MJ was cat quick and would have left a lumbering lebron completely in the dust off his first step every time.
Lebron was a great defensive player in his prime. Also, one on one defense is overrated as shit…being a great team and help defender is far more valuable. Your hero Kobrick did neither, though. He single handedly made the all defensive team basically worthless with all his undeserving nods.
3ba11
08-14-2021, 09:16 PM
Lebron was a great defensive player in his prime. Also, one on one defense is overrated as shit…being a great team and help defender is far more valuable. Your hero Kobrick did neither, though. He single handedly made the all defensive team basically worthless with all his undeserving nods.
If JJ Redick can "byron russell" lebron, then what would jordan do?
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Redick made Lebron literally fall down
Bronbron23
08-14-2021, 09:16 PM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
No hell no. Bron is fast but he's not quick. Mj was way to quick for him.
No hell no. Bron is fast but he's not quick. Mj was way to quick for him.
Derrick Rose is way too quick for him
-dumbdumb23 in 2011
3ba11
08-14-2021, 09:23 PM
Derrick Rose is way too quick for him
-dumbdumb23 in 2011
Lebron is too slow to defend off-ball players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbY508ukUAs&t=01m34s
no coach would put Lebron on Jordan - Mike Brown was scared to put Lebron on Hedo jfc
Snivelball :roll: :roll: :roll:
3ba11
08-14-2021, 09:26 PM
Snivelball :roll: :roll: :roll:
i'm your lebron - you looked up my family because you're obssessed with tall black men
Round Mound
08-14-2021, 09:29 PM
I am neither a fan of Lebron or MJ but no way could Lebron stop MJ with handchecking.
Bronbron23
08-14-2021, 09:30 PM
Derrick Rose is way too quick for him
-dumbdumb23 in 2011
Derek rose ain't mj buddy. His mid range was nowhere near mj. Bron could pretty much guard rose like iggy gaurded bron in 15 finals. Guve him just enough space so that he couldn't fly by him and he could still somewhat contest. He could never gaurd mj like that. He'd absolutely kill him qnd your dumbass ass knows it.
Derek rose ain't mj buddy. His mid range was nowhere near mj. Bron could pretty much guard rose like iggy gaurded bron in 15 finals. Guve him just enough space so that he couldn't fly by him and he could still somewhat contest. He could never gaurd mj like that. He'd absolutely kill him qnd your dumbass ass knows it.
Rose had a good midrange game. You’re having a complete meltdown at the thought of LeBron locking up your hero :roll:
Bronbron23
08-14-2021, 09:45 PM
Rose had a good midrange game. You’re having a complete meltdown at the thought of LeBron locking up your hero :roll:
He had a ok mid range mj had an elite one. Shit if bron let butler do what he did in 20 finals i can only imagine what mj would do. To be fair if bron decided to post up deep mj wouldn't be able to gaurd bron either. It's a big if though. Bron has never used the post as much as he should.
The point was he wasn’t someone you just left wide open from midrange. You didn’t know that because you’re too dumb to even realize what you’re seeing. I don’t know why I bother with you you’re easily one of the dumbest people on ISH.
3ba11
08-14-2021, 09:56 PM
He had a ok mid range mj had an elite one. Shit if bron let butler do what he did in 20 finals i can only imagine what mj would do. To be fair if bron decided to post up deep mj wouldn't be able to gaurd bron either. It's a big if though. Bron has never used the post as much as he should.
it's useless to argue with them if they're going to put Rose in the same orbit as MJ
heck, jamison went off on lebron and outscored him in the 07' Playoffs head-to-head (32/10 on Lebron)
poor man's mj shot 70% against lebron (kawhi) and i don't remember lebron having any success guarding kobe
rodman, anthony mason, jerome kersey, larry nance and tons of forwards couldn't hold mj
sdot_thadon
08-14-2021, 09:59 PM
yeah bro, real tough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5lji2ZoIOM
trash
Oh yeah let's get a clip of an elite guy scoring lol. That really explains it all bud. So then we show a clip of Mj getting blocked by Lewis and call it a day right? At some point you'll have to have at least a single honest discussion under your belt considering the amount of posts you've littered the internet with. You can do it, I'm rooting for you.
DoctorP
08-14-2021, 10:00 PM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
Its possible.
3ba11
08-14-2021, 10:00 PM
Oh yeah let's get a clip of an elite guy scoring lol. That really explains it all bud. So then we show a clip of Mj getting blocked by Lewis and call it a day right? At some point you'll have to have at least a single honest discussion under your belt considering the amount of posts you've littered the internet with. You can do it, I'm rooting for you.
Lebron had no foot speed in that clip - he was slow as molasses because he's only quick for forwards.. average or below average for a guard
did you see the gif i posted with jj redick doing lebron like mj did byron russell?.. what's your excuse for that one?.. redick made lebron fall down
sdot_thadon
08-14-2021, 10:01 PM
it's useless to argue with them if they're going to put Rose in the same orbit as MJ
heck, jamison went off on lebron and outscored him in the 07' Playoffs head-to-head (32/10 on Lebron)
poor man's mj shot 70% against lebron (kawhi) and i don't remember lebron having any success guarding kobe
rodman, anthony mason and tons of forwards couldn't hold mj
If anything that's a supreme compliment to Mj giving him a speed comp to one of the fastest, most explosive point guards ever. I'm not ever sure Mj was "that" fast but I'll buy it. Nobody in their right mind would compare them as players....
Bronbron23
08-14-2021, 10:02 PM
The point was he wasn’t someone you just left wide open from midrange. You didn’t know that because you’re too dumb to even realize what you’re seeing. I don’t know why I bother with you you’re easily one of the dumbest people on ISH.
Nobody said bron left him wide open. Try reading next time buddy.
And your dumbass is comparing a 6'2 mediocre shooter who wasn't very efficient to a 6'6 elite mid range shooters who was one of the most efficient volume scorers ever. How dumb can u be? "Well he gaurded the 200th best player ever so he could gaurd arguably the greatest player ever" This is how dumb u sound:facepalm
sdot_thadon
08-14-2021, 10:02 PM
Lebron had no foot speed in that clip - he was slow as molasses because he's only quick for forwards.. average or below average for a guard
did you see the gif i posted with jj redick doing lebron like mj did byron russell?.. what's your excuse for that one?.. redick made lebron fall down
There is none. Good defense will always get beat at some point and no one's defense is on 100, 100% of the time throughout games.
Nobody said bron left him wide open. Try reading next time buddy.
And your dumbass is comparing a 6'2 mediocre shooter who wasn't very efficient to a 6'6 elite mid range shooters who was one of the most efficient volume scorers ever. How dumb can u be? "Well he gaurded the 200th best player ever so he could gaurd arguably the greatest player ever" This is how dumb u sound:facepalm
2011 Rose is quite a bit better than the 200th best player ever. Dumbdumb23 strikes again.
And1AllDay
08-14-2021, 11:45 PM
He is closer to 6'2". At least 6'2.75".
+1
gary 6'2 payton locked mikes azz up, fukkk you think goat bran finna do:oldlol:
SATAN
08-15-2021, 12:14 AM
Most of MJ's opponents were too weak or short or slow to stop him. Lebron is touted as this one in a billion player with his combination of height, speed and strength. Had he played back in the day, no doubt he'd be tasked to defend Jordan at least some of the time. Do you think he'd be the ultimate defender for MJ?
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And1AllDay
08-15-2021, 12:25 AM
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3ba11
08-15-2021, 12:32 AM
+1
gary 6'2 payton locked mikes azz up, fukkk you think goat bran finna do:oldlol:
Jordan was double-teamed literally half the times that he caught the ball against Payton - this is the documented, historical record:
The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk)) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown in gifs here:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11792377&postcount=161
Otoh, Lebron doesn't command double-teams but still shoots worse than any 1st option ever (35%) against fat boy Pierce and old Bowen
Spurs m8
08-15-2021, 12:34 AM
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Could you imagine the LeBron flop off the ball if he was on Jordan here? Hahahahhahaha
3ba11
08-15-2021, 12:45 AM
Could you imagine the LeBron flop off the ball if he was on Jordan here? Hahahahhahaha
Lebron's big ass can't run around guarding a quick player off-ball - no coach would make him do that because he's too laterally slow and can't get his feet set in time for when MJ makes his move upon the catch
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-15-2021, 01:59 AM
Of course not.
Mike's first step was cat-quick. He would blow past Lebron most of the time.
The players who defended MJ well were guards, like Dumars and Payton.
3ba11
08-15-2021, 02:03 AM
Of course not.
Jordan's first step was cat-quick. He would blow past Lebron most of the time.
The players who defended Mike well were guards, like Dumars and Payton.
Starks held peak Jordan (pre-baseball) to 28 on 33% thru 3 games of the 93' ECF...
That's better than anyone in history did - Payton holding down post-baseball Jordan in garbage time when the series was already over isn't as impressive.
And the Starks situation shows us what would've happened to Payton if Payton had guarded Jordan from the outset like Starks did - Jordan would've figured out Payton just like he did Starks by game 4 (54 points on all jumpers)
With king kong, it is possible of course.
3ba11
08-15-2021, 04:06 PM
With king kong, it is possible of course.
Maybe if Lebron had an equal-defensive partner to guard Jordan, just like he had an equal-scoring partner to win/close the 2016 Finals.
Then yes, anything is possible with the "moar help" that Lebron needed his entire career - the story of Lebron's career is the enormous supporting TALENT that his suboptimal STRATEGY always needs (shit brand of ball-dominant basketball)
Bronbron23
08-15-2021, 04:23 PM
2011 Rose is quite a bit better than the 200th best player ever. Dumbdumb23 strikes again.
Maybe but again he wasn't anywhere close to mj. 2011 rose was 25 on 45% fg in reg season and 27 on 40%fg in playoffs. Prime mj makes that look pedestrian buddy. There's level to this shit fakkit
deathawaitu
08-16-2021, 12:12 AM
Lebron would be too busy flopping and laying on the floor
Little beta boy Lebron won’t survive in the big boy era
dankok8
08-16-2021, 10:45 AM
Smaller guys always did better with MJ. They couldn't contest the jumper but they could slide their feet and try to poke away the ball and harass him. If his J was off that day, he could be slowed down a bit. Even a GOAT-level midrange shooter can have a bad shooting game or a even a stretch of games. In fact I recently watched the 96 Finals and a lot of Jordan's misses wasn't even Payton's lockdown D... MJ was just missing makeable jumpers. Payton made him work for his points by not giving his easy drives but he didn't lock him up.
Gohan
08-16-2021, 11:01 AM
Yes. Reggie Lewis blocked him 4x
Iverson blocked kobe is he the kobe stopper now? Not even a juggernaut like iverson could stop kobe
Bronbron23
08-16-2021, 11:12 AM
Smaller guys always did better with MJ. They couldn't contest the jumper but they could slide their feet and try to poke away the ball and harass him. If his J was off that day, he could be slowed down a bit. Even a GOAT-level midrange shooter can have a bad shooting game or a even a stretch of games. In fact I recently watched the 96 Finals and a lot of Jordan's misses wasn't even Payton's lockdown D... MJ was just missing makeable jumpers. Payton made him work for his points by not giving his easy drives but he didn't lock him up.
This. There's a reason why most coaches put smaller players on mj. Mj had a quick first step and smaller quicker gaurds were the only ones that had a chance to stay in front of him. Coaches now often do the same for lebron. His first step isn't anywhere near mj's but he's usually faster than the slower fowards that would usually gaurd him.
nineiron
08-16-2021, 11:25 AM
If 6'1 Payton had him in a straight jacket...
so you're saying a taller defender would do better against MJ?
the stupidity in this forum is getting worse everyday.
Asukal
08-16-2021, 08:56 PM
If the refs called the flops then maybe he could stop him a few times... :banana:
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