Lebron needed 2 Pippens from 2011-2017 (3/7) and Jordan only 1 (6/9)

[3ba11]

And Lebron had the only super-team from 2011-2016 (3 elite first options on the same team), so the "comp" excuse doesn't work - Lebron's super-teams were so unfair, that KD had to team-up with Curry/Klay to supercede them

Lebron needed more supporting talent because his strategy (ball-dominance) was inferior to Jordan's (ball movement)

[DoctorP]

Kobe needed a Pippen (Odom) plus 2 rodmans (Gasol, Bynum)

[3ba11]

Kobe needed a Pippen (Odom) plus 2 rodmans (Gasol, Bynum)


I agree with the first part about Odom/Pippen, but Rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs (another 4/8 in those Finals), so the Bulls won those last 2 titles in spite of Rodman.. So Kobe needed more help like Lebron did, but he still never had a team with 3 elite first options on the team (super-team)

[kennygriffin]

OP does more harm than good to jordan.


comparing wade to pippen? wtf

and kyrie was legendary in 2016 lol

[DoctorP]

I agree with the first part about Odom/Pippen, but Rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs (another 4/8 in those Finals), so the Bulls won those last 2 titles in spite of Rodman.

if you would have seen the games you would have seen that Rodmans intangibles were actually very effective in spurts. But yeah, It was more like 4 Rodmans, or at least 2 Longleys, 2 wenningtons and 2.33 Rodmans.

[SATAN]

OP does more harm than good to jordan.




Absolutely.

[kennygriffin]

Kobe needed a Pippen (Odom) plus 2 rodmans (Gasol, Bynum)

lol what the ****

Odom zero allstar games/zero all nbas/zero all defenses a pippen?

gasoft a Rodman? lmao

I'm retiring to the off court forum. I'm embarrassed to talk hoops on ish now lol

[3ba11]

OP does more harm than good to jordan.


comparing wade to pippen? wtf

and kyrie was legendary in 2016 lol


I don't think Pippen is on Wade or Kyrie's level because Pippen is a 2nd option while they're elite 1st options... So you have a good point, but I'm just using the haters' logic against them - they claim Pippen was all-world, so I'm just pointing out that Lebron needed 2 star teammates to Jordan's 1 - even by their logic, Jordan wins... But you're right, Pippen was below elite 1st options like Wade, Kyrie, or even Bosh

[DoctorP]

lol what the ****

Odom zero allstar games/zero all nbas/zero all defenses a pippen?

gasoft a Rodman? lmao

I'm retiring to the off court forum. I'm embarrassed to talk hoops on ish now lol

3.33 Rodmans
2.66 Pippens
2.45 Longleys
2.022222222 Wenningtons

[3ba11]

lol what the ****

Odom zero allstar games/zero all nbas/zero all defenses a pippen?

gasoft a Rodman? lmao

I'm retiring to the off court forum. I'm embarrassed to talk hoops on ish now lol


Gasol destroys Rodman, gtfo

The Odom/Pippen comparison might be a stretch, but not by much - Pippen didn't deserve a lot of those accolades that he got - both Pippen and Gasol racked up accolades the instant they started winning alongside Kobe/MJ, but neither were deserving of what they got, especially Pippen... Gasol actually commanded double-teams and dominated all the time.. He's always been better than Pippen to me

[DoctorP]

I don't think Pippen is on Wade or Kyrie's level because Pippen is a 2nd option while they're elite 1st options... So you have a good point, but I'm just using the haters' logic against them - they claim Pippen was all-world, so I'm just pointing out that Lebron needed 2 star teammates to Jordan's 1 - even by their logic, Jordan wins... But you're right, Pippen was below elite 1st options like Wade, Kyrie, or even Bosh


LeBron really was the SUPER Pippen. When you have a super Pippen you can win with a Jordan-lite (Diet Jordan) who was Wade, Kyrie. or a Kareem (AD)

[DoctorP]

Gasol destroys Rodman, gtfo

The Odom/Pippen comparison might be a stretch, but not by much - Pippen didn't deserve a lot of those accolades that he got - both Pippen and Gasol racked up accolades the instant they started winning alongside Kobe/MJ, but neither were deserving of what they got, especially Pippen... Gasol actually commanded double-teams and dominated all the time.

Odom would have been an allstar if he stayed in Miami where he led a team to the 2nd round with Wade.

[And1AllDay]

mike always always needed pippen

https://i.postimg.cc/pVww6Nqk/a-1-9-legacy-yikes.jpg


:lebronamazed:

[DoctorP]

mike always always needed pippen

https://i.postimg.cc/pVww6Nqk/a-1-9-legacy-yikes.jpg


:lebronamazed:

:lol

[3ba11]

mike always always needed pippen

:lebronamazed:


Lebron needed 2 Pippen's to win titles, and he needed another Pippen (22/6/5 Hughes) to make the playoffs, along with the East all-star center - lol - Lebron needed so much help to do the littlest things

[DoctorP]

LeBron lacks the closing abilities and scoring titles to be compared to Jordan.

He chokes and cries at the end of games like Pippen.

The end.

KONGs a rich mans Pippen.

THE SUPER PIPPEN (robin)

[Spurs m8]

Op spitting facts, as usual

[DoctorP]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y9pwX-j6dfw/maxresdefault.jpg

[kennygriffin]

more accurate comparisons:


Odom = pre allstar siakam
gasol = prime Smits
bynum = prime Hibbert
wade = 98 jordan

[3ba11]

more accurate comparisons:


Odom = pre allstar siakam
gasol = prime Smits
bynum = prime Hibbert
wade = 98 jordan


I concur

[kennygriffin]

Gasol destroys Rodman, gtfo

The Odom/Pippen comparison might be a stretch, but not by much - Pippen didn't deserve a lot of those accolades that he got - both Pippen and Gasol racked up accolades the instant they started winning alongside Kobe/MJ, but neither were deserving of what they got, especially Pippen... Gasol actually commanded double-teams and dominated all the time.. He's always been better than Pippen to me

Rodman averaged like 18 rebounds for the bulls lmao

and he held shaq in check


without Rodman the bulls get smoked by the sonics

[DoctorP]

Rodman averaged like 18 rebounds for the bulls lmao

and he held shaq in check

no way, eye tests conclude gasol > Rodman in everything except rebounding.

Gasol is an all-world HOF. Stop disrespecting the Spanish King

Rodman was a role player.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lTmal6JFQ

[3ba11]

without Rodman the bulls get smoked by the sonics





If that were true, why did the Bulls win the 97' title with Rodman averaging 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win the 98' title with Rodman not starting and getting 4/8 in the Finals against a superior opponent (Jazz > Sonics)?

Rebounds are simply replaceable - Jordan already 3-peated with Horace Grant, who rebounds less than Tristan Thompson or Drew Gooden.. this is statistical fact

[kennygriffin]

no way, eye tests conclude gasol > Rodman in everything except rebounding.

Gasol is an all-world HOF. Stop disrespecting the Spanish King

Rodman was a role player.

gasol had size. that's it. he wasn't a good defender. you can find 18 points in mid range jumpers from a ton of power forwards. kobe coulda won with a ton of different sidekicks.

Rodman was the mvp of the 96 finals. gasol has never had that kind of a series shifting impact. everything gasol got was off kobe drawing the defenses attention. nothing Rodman did was cause of jordan

[DoctorP]

gasol had size. that's it. he wasn't a good defender. you can find 18 points in mid range jumpers from a ton of power forwards. kobe coulda won with a ton of different sidekicks.

Rodman was the mvp of the 96 finals. gasol has never had that kind of a series shifting impact. everything gasol got was off kobe drawing the defenses attention. nothing Rodman did was cause of jordan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lTmal6JFQ

cue the tape again

[kennygriffin]

If that were true, why did the Bulls win the 97' title with Rodman averaging 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win the 98' title with Rodman not starting and getting 4/8 in the Finals against a superior opponent (Jazz > Sonics)

the sonics in 96 were on a different level than anyone the bulls ever faced before or after during their title runs

[3ba11]

rodman was the MVP of the 96' Playoffs





Kemp got more FMVP votes because he killed Rodman, so the voters simply goofed in giving Rodman a vote.

And if Rodman was so valuable, why did the Bulls win the 97' title with Rodman averaging 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win the 98' title with Rodman not starting and getting 4/8 in the Finals against a superior opponent (Jazz > Sonics)?

Rebounds are simply replaceable - Jordan already 3-peated with Horace Grant, who rebounds less than Tristan Thompson or Drew Gooden.. this is statistical fact

[Smoke117]

1-9 fakkot. Get a life already, too. Jesus christ. You're like a 50 year old man obsessing and hating on basketball players like you're 13. There is seriously something deeply psychologically wrong with you, niglet.

[DoctorP]

1-9 fakkot. Get a life already, too. Jesus christ. You're like a 50 year old man obsessing and hating on basketball players like you're 13. There is seriously something deeply psychologically wrong with you, niglet.

dork vader returns

[kennygriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lTmal6JFQ

cue the tape again

last 15 minutes with the game in the balance

3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )
0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on vujacic ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )

[3ba11]

the sonics in 96 were on a different level than anyone the bulls ever faced before or after during their title runs


They were down 0-3 before anyone blinked because Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to carry the Bulls, while Pippen and everyone else was completely wetting the bed (worst-ever performance for a cast)

[3ba11]

1-9 fakkot. Get a life already, too. Jesus christ. You're like a 50 year old man obsessing and hating on basketball players like you're 13. There is seriously something deeply psychologically wrong with you, niglet.


some nerdy white guy calling guys "niglets" thinking it's cool needs to look in the mirror

[DoctorP]

last 15 minutes with the game in the balance

3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )
0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on vujacic ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )

Thats whats expected of Bean. But the video shows the all around game Gasol displayed in beating a formidable all time great Celtics team. Rodman would have locked down Garnett but no way he shows the offensive ability Gasol displayed.

[kennygriffin]

They were down 0-3 before anyone blinked because Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to carry the Bulls, while Pippen and everyone else was completely wetting the bed (worst-ever performance for a cast)

jordan has the 2nd lowest efficiency in nba history for the 96 finals. only 05 Duncan was worse.

jordan has 5 finals mvps. still amazing and hes the goat to me but 96 was rodmans. George Karl said so

[DoctorP]

jordan has the 2nd lowest efficiency in nba history for the 96 finals. only 05 Duncan was worse.

jordan has 5 finals mvps. still amazing and hes the goat to me but 96 was rodmans. George Karl said so

yeah Rodman was lit in 96

still not Gasol tho

[kennygriffin]

Thats whats expected of Bean. But the video shows the all around game Gasol displayed in beating a formidable all time great Celtics team. Rodman would have locked down Garnett but no way he shows the offensive ability Gasol displayed.

gasol does not have the same impact as a dennis rodman. that's why Rodman is a legend and gasol is a borderline hall of famer

[kennygriffin]

yeah Rodman was lit in 96

still not Gasol tho

gasol is 0-16 as leader in the playoffs and made just one allstar game off the bench in 7 years before joining kobe

go check rodmans career and accolades before joining MJ

[3ba11]

yeah Rodman was lit in 96

still not Gasol tho


What was less replaceable - Jordan's scoring/confidence or Rodman's rebounding?

The Bulls won 5 titles without Rodman's rebounding because Rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs - so Rodman was completely expendable, plus they 3-peated with Horace.

So it's historical record that Rodman wasn't needed - they won in spite of him because they played 4 on 5 offensively - any PF wins in his place, like Horace or 98' Kukoc (who started over Rodman in those playoffs)

So keep talking shit, but the historical record proves you wrong.

[DoctorP]

gasol is 0-16 as leader in the playoffs and made just one allstar game off the bench in 7 years before joining kobe

go check rodmans career and accolades before joining MJ

Rodman never led anyone to anything :lol

[DoctorP]

gasol does not have the same impact as a dennis rodman. that's why Rodman is a legend and gasol is a borderline hall of famer

you're entitled to your idiotic opinion but as someone there at the time your statement is laughable to me.

[kennygriffin]

you're entitled to your idiotic opinion but as someone there at the time your statement is laughable to me.

ask any legend who they would rather have on their team. 96 Rodman or 2010 gasoft lmao

[kennygriffin]

Rodman never led anyone to anything :lol

1996 nba title?

he was basically Bill Russell lmao

[kennygriffin]

https://youtu.be/E_qUoOBBlA0

[DoctorP]

ask any legend who they would rather have on their team. 96 Rodman or 2010 gasoft lmao

sure let's ask them :lol

[DoctorP]

1996 nba title?

he was basically Bill Russell lmao

more like Rudy Gobert

[kennygriffin]

sure let's ask them :lol

can you honestly see jordan, bird, magic, Shaq, Barkley, zeke, Kareem picking gasol over dennis rodman for their team? lmao

[3ba11]

more like Rudy Gobert


If Rodman was so valuable, how did the Bulls win in 97' with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win in 98' or 91-93' with Kukoc and Horace as the starters?

The Bulls won in spite of Rodman, whose rebounding and defense was offset by playing 4 on 5 offensively... Btw, you guys are fools for thinking old Rodman > Horace.. Horace was far better

[DoctorP]

can you honestly see jordan, bird, magic, Shaq, Barkley, zeke, Kareem picking gasol over dennis rodman for their team? lmao

yeah. easy. this delusion you have about Rodman is quite ridiculous. And I like Rodman.

[3ba11]

yeah. easy. this delusion you have about Rodman is quite ridiculous. And I like Rodman.


If Rodman was so valuable, how did the Bulls win in 97' with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win in 98' or 91-93' with Kukoc and Horace as the starters?

The Bulls won in spite of Rodman, whose rebounding and defense was offset by playing 4 on 5 offensively... Btw, you guys are fools for thinking old Rodman > Horace.. Horace was far better

:lol

[DoctorP]

If Rodman was so valuable, how did the Bulls win in 97' with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win in 98' or 91-93' with Kukoc and Horace as the starters?

The Bulls won in spite of Rodman, whose rebounding and defense was offset by playing 4 on 5 offensively... Btw, you guys are fools for thinking old Rodman > Horace.. Horace was far better

Yeah Grant was a better overall player. Rodman was great role player that was focused in on rebounding, defense and hustle plays.

[kennygriffin]

If Rodman was so valuable, how did the Bulls win in 97' with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire playoffs, and how did they win in 98' or 91-93' with Kukoc and Horace as the starters?

The Bulls won in spite of Rodman, whose rebounding and defense was offset by playing 4 on 5 offensively... Btw, you guys are fools for thinking old Rodman > Horace.. Horace was far better

:lol

this is a horrible take

george Karl knows more about basketball than any of us and he says Rodman was finals mvp. even Jordan's teammate luc lonely said it was rodman


and why are you derailing your own thread with this oversized text lol

[Smoke117]

some nerdy white guy calling guys "niglets" thinking it's cool needs to look in the mirror

I'm a beaner you black and worthless son of a whore junkie hood rat.

[DoctorP]

this is a horrible take

george Karl knows more about basketball than any of us and he says Rodman was finals mvp. even Jordan's teammate luc lonely said it was rodman


and why are you derailing your own thread with this oversized text lol

I agree with Karl. Rodman was the Iguodala of the 97 (or was it 96?) finals. Jordan and pip were probably the main catalyst overall for the Bulls machine but Rodman had some timely plays that swung the momentum mightily in Chicagos favor.

I can understand Jordan winning but I could understand if Rodman won that year too.

[3ba11]

Yeah Grant was a better overall player. Rodman was great role player that was focused in on rebounding, defense and hustle plays.


George Karl just hates Jordan and has Jordan fatigue.

Rodman played his role well in the 96' Finals, but he got overhyped for getting Jim McIlvaine tossed in that one game.. It was a funny circumstance that was overblown..

His offensive rebounds were valuable, but they simply made up for the Bulls playing 4 on 5 with Rodman - he was making up for his own offensive ineptitude.. Defensively, he actually sucked and let Kemp win MVP from Jordan (nearly)

Ultimately, what would the Bulls do without MJ's scoring and commanding doubles?... Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

[kennygriffin]

Yeah Grant was a better overall player. Rodman was great role player that was focused in on rebounding, defense and hustle plays.

rodman rebounded like prime wilt/Russell and got in guys heads and made them lose their cool and take frustration fouls all game that forced rhem to the bench. all of rodmans points were putbacks off crazy rebounds he shouldn't have gotten so every game take whatever points Rodman got and subtract them from the score cause the Bulls never shoulda had them. it's crazy how jordan fans can be this insecure. your guy is the goat. relax lmao

Rodman is a legend. it's OK to admit it. nobodies gonna say jordan isn't the goat anymore tomorrow on sports center lmao

[DoctorP]

George Karl just hates Jordan and has Jordan fatigue.

Rodman played his role well in the 96' Finals, but he got overhyped for getting Jim McIlvaine tossed in that one game.. It was a funny circumstance that was overblown..

His offensive rebounds were valuable, but they simply made up for the Bulls playing 4 on 5 with Rodman - he was making up for his own offensive ineptitude.. Defensively, he actually sucked and let Kemp win MVP from Jordan (nearly)

yeah Rodman was timely but was far from a force.

[Smoke117]

I agree with Karl. Rodman was the Iguodala of the 97 (or was it 96?) finals. Jordan and pip were probably the main catalyst overall for the Bulls machine but Rodman had some timely plays that swung the momentum mightily in Chicagos favor.

I can understand Jordan winning but I could understand if Rodman won that year too.

lol Rodman wasn't at all that impactful in the 97 finals, dumb ass. Stop posting like you know anything when you're one of the supreme stupid motherfukkers here.

[Vino24]

MJ lost in the 1st round with 2 pippens in 1986

[DoctorP]

rodman rebounded like prime wilt/Russell and got in guys heads and made them lose their cool and take frustration fouls all game that forced rhem to the bench. all of rodmans points were putbacks off crazy rebounds he shouldn't have gotten so every game take whatever points Rodman got and subtract them from the score cause the Bulls never shoulda had them. it's crazy how jordan fans can be this insecure. your guy is the goat. relax lmao

Rodman is a legend. it's OK to admit it. nobodies gonna say jordan isn't the goat anymore tomorrow on sports center lmao

yeeah Rodmans great but he was no Gasol.

[DoctorP]

lol Rodman wasn't at all that impactful in the 97 finals, dumb ass. Stop posting like you know anything when you're one of the dumbest pieces of shit here.

yea yea. go away demon

[kennygriffin]

George Karl just hates Jordan and has Jordan fatigue.

Rodman played his role well in the 96' Finals, but he got overhyped for getting Jim McIlvaine tossed in that one game.. It was a funny circumstance that was overblown..

His offensive rebounds were valuable, but they simply made up for the Bulls playing 4 on 5 with Rodman - he was making up for his own offensive ineptitude.. Defensively, he actually sucked and let Kemp win MVP from Jordan (nearly)

is that why he benched kobe in the 98 allstar game to gift wrap the mvp for MJ lmao

and explain Longley then. I guess he hates mj too

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBoVDIvOrfI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SezmOAEnBPI

[3ba11]

yeah Rodman was timely but was far from a force.


Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', and Horace as the starter from 91-93'.... and with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

[kennygriffin]

yeeah Rodmans great but he was no Gasol.

dude. gasol isn't special. if he never went to the Lakers he never makes the ball of fame. he's probly on shares about rahims level and forgotten

the grizzlies gave up on him. he couldn't couldn't get them 1 win in the playoffs

[DoctorP]

Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', and Horace as the starter from 91-93'.... and with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

Longley, Kerr, Harper

[DoctorP]

dude. gasol isn't special. if he never went to the Lakers he never makes the ball of fame. he's probly on shares about rahims level and forgotten

the grizzlies gave up on him. he couldn't couldn't get them 1 win in the playoffs

still better than Rodman. Which team was Rodman the centerpiece of? Thats right, none.

The Worm was a ROLE PLAYER

[3ba11]

Longley, Kerr, Harper


lol... those guys are single-digit scorers and not shot-creators.. carry on trolling... i like how you take both sides of issues in the same thread

[DoctorP]

lol... those guys are single-digit scorers.. carry on trolling... i like how you take both sides of issues in the same thread

Jordan needed those guys. If Jordan could win alone he wouldn't have gone 1-9 in his physical peak.

[kennygriffin]

Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', and Horace as the starter from 91-93'.... and with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

you're not very honest as a poster. Jordan during the 2nd 3 peat was far less efficient and basically running on fumes. 91 to 93 jordan was twice the player and that's why they could win with anyone as the 3rd man

the 96 bulls lose without Rodman. period

[Vino24]

Woolridge put up big numbers in 86. MJ basically had a super Pippen and failed

[Smoke117]

Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', and Horace as the starter from 91-93'.... and with Rodman getting 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

Pippen led the entire playoffs in BPM in 96 so he must have been doing something right. That includes being over your lover, Jordan. I also love how you never use any context. In each of the playoffs during the 2nd threepeat Pippen was dealing with injuries. You act as if he was completely healthy or something. He literally almost missed the first game of final series vs Jazz because of his foot in 97. Seriously, what the fukk is wrong with you? You realize these guys are playing a game, right? Why are you so fukking obsessed with Jordan that you have to nonstop hate on everyone he played with or anyone who has come after that is great? There is seriously something wrong with you as this is not mentally healthy at all.

[DoctorP]

Woolridge put up big numbers in 86. MJ basically had a super Pippen and failed

:lol

nah.

[3ba11]

you're not very honest as a poster. Jordan during the 2nd 3 peat was far less efficient and basically running on fumes. 91 to 93 jordan was twice the player and that's why they could win with anyone as the 3rd man

the 96 bulls lose without Rodman. period


They were up 3-0 on Seattle - they win with Kukoc as the starter, just like 98'... Kukoc was actually the 2nd best player on the Bulls in that series (outplayed Pippen and hit a bunch of clutch shots as usual - Kukoc was the elite shooter with impact, aka ahead of his time - he played like today's players)

[DoctorP]

They were up 3-0 on Seattle - they win with Kukoc as the starter, just like 98'... Kukoc was actually the 2nd best player on the Bulls in that series (outplayed Pippen and hit a bunch of clutch shots as usual - Kukoc was the elite shooter with impact, aka ahead of his time - he played like today's players)

Thats right, Kukoc was legit too. Great player.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7DvLy4NDw

[3ba11]

Pippen led the entire playoffs in BPM in 96 so he must have been doing something right. That includes being over your lover, Jordan. I also love how you never use any context. In each of the playoffs during the 2nd threepeat Pippen was dealing with injuries. You act as if he was completely healthy or something. He literally almost missed the first game of final series vs Jazz because of his foot in 97. Seriously, what the fukk is wrong with you? You realize these guys are playing a game, right? Why are you so fukking obsessed with Jordan that you have to nonstop hate on everyone he played with or anyone who has come after that is great? There is seriously something wrong with you as this is not mentally healthy at all.


If AD or Paul George averaged 15 on 34%, no amount of defense or injuires or whatever bullshit excuses you said in your post would make up for that kind of shitty play.

Pandemic Pippen - from now on, that's the only term I will use to address Pippen... Jordan won 4 titles with Pandemic Pippen.. Only 91' and 92' were viable runs for Pippen, except Pippen's horrific play nearly derailed the 92' title with his X-man debacle in the ECSF

[3ba11]

Thats right, Kukoc was legit too. Great player.


Agreed... It's funny how Jordan haters don't even know the right arguments to counter with...

But the reality is that ONLY JORDAN won with non-scorers like Rodman, or bench players like Kukoc - everyone else won with LEGIT STARS, not bit players like Kukoc or Rodman.

Like, we have to lionize and overblow Rodman and Kukoc to find excuses for why MJ didn't have complete carry-jobs - otoh, other champions have legit stars that don't need to be exagerrated into stars - they're already perennial all-stars

[Smoke117]

If AD or Paul George averaged 15 on 34%, no amount of defense or injuires or whatever bullshit excuses you said in your post would make up for that kind of shitty play.

Pandemic Pippen - from now on, that's the only term I will use to address Pippen... Jordan won 4 titles with Pandemic Pippen.. Only 91' and 92' were viable runs for Pippen, except Pippen's horrific play nearly derailed the 92' title with his X-man debacle in the ECSF

You're a 50+ old doofus who literally thinks a 38 year old Jordan in 2002 was better than a 2009 LeBron james. You are legitimately one of the stupidest motherfukkers this board has ever seen and that's saying a lot considering the who's who of world class fukkwits this board is famous for.

[GrayGoat]

Woolridge put up big numbers in 86. MJ basically had a super Pippen and failed
Damn brutal. 3ball?

[DoctorP]

You're a 50+ old doofus who literally thinks a 38 year old Jordan in 2002 was better than a 2009 LeBron james. You are legitimately one of the stupidest motherfukker this board has ever seen and that's saying a lot considering the who's who of world class fukkwits this board has.


meltdown.

[3ba11]

You're a 50+ old doofus who literally thinks a 38 year old Jordan in 2002 was better than a 2009 LeBron james. You are legitimately one of the stupidest motherfukkers this board has ever seen and that's saying a lot considering the who's who of world class fukkwits this board is famous for.


09' Lebron was a garbage jumpshooter with no clue how to win. He was just a dumb ball-dominator and choker

Otoh, pre-injury Wizards Jordan would beat the 09' Magic because he knew how to win and his brand of basketball (ball movement) fares better in the playoffs.. He probably doesn't average 39/8/8 like Lebron did, but his 33/6/6 would be more effective because his skillset/style allowed the team to use better strategy and didn't turn guys like Mo into predictable spot-up players - alongside Jordan, Mo would still average 6 or 7 assists like he did before Lebron... Lebron turned Mo into a low-assist bum - a predictable spot-up player and this predictable role has a lower ceiling in the playoffs.

[Smoke117]

meltdown.

Please stop responding to my posts. You are too boring and moronic to further respond to. Thank you and goodbye.

[DoctorP]

Pre-injury Wizards Jordan beats the 09' Magic because his brand of basketball (ball movement) fares better in the playoffs.. He probably doesn't average 39/8/8 like Lebron did, but his 33/6/6 would be more effective because his skillset/style allowed the team to use better strategy and didn't turn guys like Mo into predictable spot-up players - alongside Jordan, Mo would still average 6 or 7 assists like he did before Lebron... Lebron turned Mo into a low-assist bum - a predictable spot-up player and this predictable role has a lower ceiling in the playoffs.

38 year old Jordan and 09 Kong win a title. Kong in the Super Pippen role and Jordan in the Kyrie/Wade role.

[DoctorP]

Please stop responding to my posts. You are too boring and moronic to further respond to. Thank you and goodbye.


goodbye loser.

[RRR3]

09' Lebron was a garbage jumpshooter with no clue how to win. He was just a dumb ball-dominator and choker

Otoh, pre-injury Wizards Jordan would beat the 09' Magic because he knew how to win and his brand of basketball (ball movement) fares better in the playoffs.. He probably doesn't average 39/8/8 like Lebron did, but his 33/6/6 would be more effective because his skillset/style allowed the team to use better strategy and didn't turn guys like Mo into predictable spot-up players - alongside Jordan, Mo would still average 6 or 7 assists like he did before Lebron... Lebron turned Mo into a low-assist bum - a predictable spot-up player and this predictable role has a lower ceiling in the playoffs.
One of the most insane posts of all time.

[GrayGoat]

If Mo Williams is better than Pippen than Woolridge is miles better

[Smoke117]

09' Lebron was a garbage jumpshooter with no clue how to win. He was just a dumb ball-dominator and choker

Otoh, pre-injury Wizards Jordan would beat the 09' Magic because he knew how to win and his brand of basketball (ball movement) fares better in the playoffs.. He probably doesn't average 39/8/8 like Lebron did, but his 33/6/6 would be more effective because his skillset/style allowed the team to use better strategy and didn't turn guys like Mo into predictable spot-up players - alongside Jordan, Mo would still average 6 or 7 assists like he did before Lebron... Lebron turned Mo into a low-assist bum - a predictable spot-up player and this predictable role has a lower ceiling in the playoffs.

lmfao 09 LeBron is one of the 10 most dominant seasons any player has ever had you ****ing halfwit. For someone who goes on about what a hot shit D1 player you don't seem to know anything about basketball. It's honestly amusing how unaware what a complete fukking joke you are. Even on the pantheon of fukking morons that have come through this board you are at the top with your obsessive insanity.

[DoctorP]

lmfao 09 LeBron is one of the 10 most dominant seasons any player has ever had you ****ing halfwit. For someone who goes on about what a hot shit D1 player you don't seem to know anything about basketball. It's honestly amusing how unaware what a complete fukking joke you are. Even on the pantheon of fukking morons that have come through this board you are at the top with your obsessive insanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCnrpfUaAk

[3ba11]

If Mo Williams is better than Pippen than Woolridge is miles better


In 2009 and 2010, the Cavs had a better defense than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options.. That's why the Cavs were league favorites, but Lebron left a year early and ceded the organic ring to Dirk

Btw, Mo' was superior to 90' Pippen across the board (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, scoring, efficiency), while the 09' Cavs had the #3 defense (#19 for the 90' Bulls)

[3ba11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCnrpfUaAk


lmao

[Smoke117]

One of the most insane posts of all time.

He actually literally thinks a 2002 38 year old Jordan is better than Lebron in 2009...there is seriously something wrong with his mind. There has to be to really believe such ****ing nonsense and he isn't trolling...he actually believes it to be true. He has to have some form of brain damage as nobody with a healthy brain can be so ****ing stupid and deranged.

[DoctorP]

He actually literally thinks a 2002 38 year old Jordan is better than Lebron in 2009...there is seriously something wrong with his mind. There has to be to really believe such ****ing nonsense and he isn't trolling...he actually believes it to be true. He is

omg omg omg omg

[Smoke117]

omg omg omg omg

You want to get off my dick? You're a worthless bore.

[DoctorP]

You want to get off my dick? You're a worthless bore.

stop posting, maybe ill decide to not reply to your crying, RRR3 loser

[3ba11]

He actually literally thinks a 2002 38 year old Jordan is better than Lebron in 2009...there is seriously something wrong with his mind. There has to be to really believe such ****ing nonsense and he isn't trolling...he actually believes it to be true. He has to have some form of brain damage as nobody with a healthy brain can be so ****ing stupid and deranged.


Lebron was the only 1st option in history to shoot 35% in a playoff series (07' Finals and 08' ECSF) and then Lebron was a dumb, empty stat-padder that couldn't commade doubles to free up teammates and was afraid to take on a real defensive assignment in the 09' ECF

Then he quit in 10' and 11'... So he was nowhere near any non-injury version of Jordan during those years and his performace and results from 07-11' are quite embarassing... Then he teamed up with super-teams, so even Miami and Cleveland Lebron never knew how to win, only team-hop... facts gonna facts

[DoctorP]

Lebron was the only 1st option in history to shoot 35% in a playoff series (07' Finals and 08' ECSF) and then Lebron was a dumb, empty stat-padder that couldn't commade doubles to free up teammates and was afraid to take on a real defensive assignment in the 09' ECF

Then he quit in 10' and 11'... So he was nowhere near any non-injury version of Jordan during those years and his performace and results from 07-11' are quite embarassing... Then he teamed up with super-teams, so even Miami and Cleveland Lebron never knew how to win, only team-hop... facts gonna facts

The quitting was Pippenesque. :rockon:

[Smoke117]

Lebron was the only 1st option in history to shoot 35% in a playoff series (07' Finals and 08' ECSF) and then Lebron was a dumb, empty stat-padder that couldn't commade doubles to free up teammates and was afraid to take on a real defensive assignment in the 09' ECF

Then he quit in 10' and 11'... So he was nowhere near any non-injury version of Jordan during those years and his performace and results from 07-11' are quite embarassing... Then he teamed up with super-teams, so even Miami and Cleveland Lebron never knew how to win, only team-hop... facts gonna facts

Again, you're a 50+ year old man obsessively in love with a basketball player while you simultaneously hate every one else in some form of deranged love letter. I'm not joking when I say you need help, mate. This isn't healthy behavior.

[DoctorP]

Again, you're a 50+ year old man obsessively in love with a basketball player while you simultaneously hate every one else in some form of deranged love letter. I'm not joking when I say you legitimately need help. This isn't healthy behavior.

stick to the game.
your personal attacks are a crying shame

:lol

[3ba11]

Again, you're a 50+ year old man obsessively in love with a basketball player while you simultaneously hate every one else in some form of deranged love letter. I'm not joking when I say you legitimately need help. This isn't healthy behavior.


It's funny that you were going back and forth with me tit for tat until apparently I won, so you resorted to your copy-and-pasted "you need help" schtick

[Smoke117]

It's funny that you were going back and forth with me tit for tat until apparently I won, so you resorted to your copy-and-pasted "you need help" schtick

You are a very sick person. I wish I could help you, mate, but only hundreds of hours of therapy and many, many pills can help you at this point.

[GrayGoat]

3ball doesn’t have a wife. There is no way that man retains a relationship

[3ba11]

You are a very sick person. I wish I could help you, mate, but only hundreds of hours of therapy and many, many pills can help you at this point.


gg

i appreciate the action you gave for the time you gave it

[RRR3]

Lebron was the only 1st option in history to shoot 35% in a playoff series (07' Finals and 08' ECSF) and then Lebron was a dumb, empty stat-padder that couldn't commade doubles to free up teammates and was afraid to take on a real defensive assignment in the 09' ECF

Then he quit in 10' and 11'... So he was nowhere near any non-injury version of Jordan during those years and his performace and results from 07-11' are quite embarassing... Then he teamed up with super-teams, so even Miami and Cleveland Lebron never knew how to win, only team-hop... facts gonna facts
“09 LeBron was nowhere near Wizards MJ”










Meth.

[And1AllDay]

It's funny that you were going back and forth with me tit for tat until apparently I won, so you resorted to your copy-and-pasted "you need help" schtick

1-9

[Smoke117]

“09 LeBron was nowhere near Wizards MJ”










Meth.

No, not meth. Mental retardation. If he was on a stimulate his brain would be working better not worse.

[Axe]

1-9 fakkot. Get a life already, too. Jesus christ. You're like a 50 year old man obsessing and hating on basketball players like you're 13. There is seriously something deeply psychologically wrong with you, niglet.
Try doxxing him again.

Oh wait.

[Manny98]

:roll: @ this thread

3ball claiming that Wizards Jordan is better than 09 LeBron is one of the funniest things I have heard :roll:

[8Ball]

Wizards Jordan is the most embarrassing thing ever done in NBA sports.

A part owner so self absorbed with himself that he came down and embarrassed himself.

All the other players were just begging him to retire to stop the embarrassment.

[97 bulls]

https://youtu.be/E_qUoOBBlA0

Great video. Especially the part about the advanced stats which Seattle dominated. But no one believed the Bulls were ever in danger of losing to Seattle. Especially after the Bulls went up 3-1

[3ba11]

:roll: @ this thread

3ball claiming that Wizards Jordan is better than 09 LeBron is one of the funniest things I have heard :roll:


09' Lebron didn't know how to play a viable brand of ball or command double-teams to free up teammates against the Magic, while 11' Lebron was locked up by old Shawn Marion, and wasn't capable of closing against prime Marion like MJ did:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/CaqFFm.gif


02' Jordan got better as the season wore on, so he was averaging 30/6/6 on 47% before the injury - these numbers would've increased in the playoffs like they always do for Jordan, which was easily enough to destroy Kidd's Nets that year to make the Finals - people forget that it didn't take much to win that East at that time, or in 2009, where this version of MJ and Rip Hamilton would've destroyed Dwight's 1-star team.

Yes, this guy is better than 09' Lebron (goat scoring while playing a viable brand of ball, no ball-dominant spamming):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh-szbNsmHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZFBfnmVQY


Ultimately, Lebron was a playoff embarassment every year from 2007-2011:


* 2007: 22 on 35% against the Spurs (only 1st option to shoot 35% in a playoff series, EVER)
* 2008: 26 on 35% against Celtics
* 2009: lost as historic favorite to a 1-star team
* 2010: quit in the big series, lost as favorite again
* 2011: quit in the big series, lost as favorite for a record 3rd straight year (record choking)

^^^ Any non-injury version of MJ is better than that

[3ba11]

Great video. Especially the part about the advanced stats which Seattle dominated. But no one believed the Bulls were ever in danger of losing to Seattle. Especially after the Bulls went up 3-1


Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', while Horace was the starter from 91-93' and Rodman only averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

^^^ that's 5 chips won without Rodman, and a 3-0 lead in the only series that Rodman was viable (he was infact never viable because his offensive rebounding merely offset the 4 on 5 deficit offensively)

[97 bulls]

Pippen was averaging 15 on 34%, so how were the Bulls going to score without Jordan?

Otoh, we know Rodman was completely replaceable because the Bulls won with Kukoc as the starter in 98', while Horace was the starter from 91-93' and Rodman only averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' playoffs

^^^ that's 5 chips won without Rodman, and a 3-0 lead in the only series that Rodman was viable (he was infact never viable because his offensive rebounding merely offset the 4 on 5 deficit offensively)

Jordan shot 41%. He didn't fair much better. That's what made Rodman so valuable. But it wasn't just points and rebounds. Rodman went on runs where he literally shut down the oppositions best big.

And I don't care about who starts. Who finishes? How many games did Rodman not play in the closing minutes? Again. I have to question your knowledge of basketball. No true basketball player would say that rebounds don't matter. Thats basically what you think.

[Ne 1]

The "KD had to team up to supersede them" excuse doesn't work because KD didn't face them, and you haters collectively decided 2016 was a fluke due to injuries and Draymond's one game suspension. Aside from that, a Kyrie shot in game 7 was ultimately the only reason they won...


GSW were closer to gentleman's sweeping LeBron's super team than needing KD to supersede them, especially knowing the health history of Kyrie and Love who both missed the previous finals....

Ultimately, you have officially ran out of folklore to justify your hate for LeBron via your love affair with MJ, so much that your allies don't even pay attention anymore..lol

[Ne 1]

And KD already had a super star teammate, why would he need to go to GS as opposed to just welcoming in more "help" to to supersede Kevin Love, who just averaged a triple single in the finals?