One thing Democrats do well is **** up the Middle East

[Patrick Chewing]

From Cowardly Clinton that could have killed Bin Laden but didn't, to Obama and his Arab Spring, to Hillary Clinton botching Benghazi, and now Biden pulling out to soon from Afghanistan and the Taliban taking over.

If there is unrest in the Middle East, odds are a Democrat is in office here in the United States.

[Cleverness]

https://media.giphy.com/media/BKjpH2YRVAyru/giphy.gif

[Nanners]

i love you patty but cmon man... creating chaos in the middle east is one of the few bipartisan things this country does

[Patrick Chewing]

https://media.giphy.com/media/BKjpH2YRVAyru/giphy.gif

Meh, he should have never gone into Iraq, but there were no Arab Springs or attack on our embassies under his watch. Deposing Saddam was a mistake. Saddam kept these jihadis in check.

[Patrick Chewing]

i love you patty but cmon man... creating chaos in the middle east is one of the few bipartisan things this country does

This is true, but these Democrats have really ****ed it up as of late. They're talking about Sharia Law and an Islamic State in Afghanistan now since it is now confirmed that Kabul has fallen to the Taliban.

Look how quickly Trump and Company put a stop to ISIS.

Love you too bro.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Blaming Biden for what is going on now would be like blaming Gerald Ford for the Vietnam War.

[RRR3]

Warmonger OP is FURIOUS we’re leaving Afghanistan. Imagine liking war :biggums:

[Patrick Chewing]

Blaming Biden for what is going on now would be like blaming Gerald Ford for the Vietnam War.

Biden is in charge. Biden ordered the troop pullout.

[Patrick Chewing]

Warmonger OP is FURIOUS we’re leaving Afghanistan. Imagine liking war :biggums:

I like peace. There is more war now with the Islamists in charge you idiot.

[diamenz]

i love you patty but cmon man... creating chaos in the middle east is one of the few bipartisan things this country does

:applause:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Never forget that under Reagan the CIA toppled the socialist Democratic Republic of Afghanistan by funding and arming groups that would become the Taliban.

[DoctorP]

The Cuban continues to be wrong about everything :lol

[Axe]

Op hates china

[bladefd]

From Cowardly Clinton that could have killed Bin Laden but didn't, to Obama and his Arab Spring, to Hillary Clinton botching Benghazi, and now Biden pulling out to soon from Afghanistan and the Taliban taking over.

If there is unrest in the Middle East, odds are a Democrat is in office here in the United States.

You know who pledged to pull out troops from Afghanistan by January 2021 before he leaves office? Donald Trump.

If anything, Biden extended that plan by 6 months. And he is actually going through with it.

You know who created that unrest and 2 wars originally? George Bush, a lifelong Republican.

[bladefd]

Meh, he should have never gone into Iraq, but there were no Arab Springs or attack on our embassies under his watch. Deposing Saddam was a mistake. Saddam kept these jihadis in check.

However, there were 2 full-out wars under his watch. Arab springs & Benghazi sucked, but let's not act like the 2 wars didn't contribute to that.

[Lakers Legend#32]

15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Not Afghanistan, not Iraq, not Iran.
How come Bandar Bush didn't attack the Saudis?
Oh right. Fill 'er up!

[theman93]

15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Not Afghanistan, not Iraq, not Iran.
How come Bandar Bush didn't attack the Saudis?
Oh right. Fill 'er up!

Bush was a corrupt establishment shill - just like the rest of the career Democrat AND Republican (see Mitch McConnell) politicians. Why do you think people gravitated towards Trump? Because he was not part of the establishment. What happens when you're not part of the establishment? You are smeared. And this isn't unique to Trump or a Republican you hate. Do some research on the smear campaign against Tulsi Gabbard.

[diamenz]

Bush was a corrupt establishment shill - just like the rest of the career Democrat AND Republican (see Mitch McConnell) politicians. Why do you think people gravitated towards Trump? Because he was not part of the establishment. What happens when you're not part of the establishment? You are smeared. And this isn't unique to Trump or a Republican you hate. Do some research on the smear campaign against Tulsi Gabbard.

lakers legend does nothing but troll with one liners. just ignore the foolish f***.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The US was the invaders. The Taliban are not invaders--they're Afghans--it's their country. They're religious nuts. We know what that looks like, we have our own--Evangelical, Christian, Trump supporting, Republicans.

[Patrick Chewing]

You know who pledged to pull out troops from Afghanistan by January 2021 before he leaves office? Donald Trump.

If anything, Biden extended that plan by 6 months. And he is actually going through with it.

You know who created that unrest and 2 wars originally? George Bush, a lifelong Republican.

You're talking about something that doesn't exist. It never happened under Trump. The troop pullout is not some lame victory you have over Trump. The troop pullout and the fallout from it is Biden's problem now. Your problem now since you're a shill for the Democrat Party. You're brain is so polluted and perverted that you honestly think the Taliban taking over Afghanistan is some sort of moral victory over Trump.

[DoctorP]

The US was the invaders. The Taliban are not invaders--they're Afghans--it's their country. They're religious nuts. We know what that looks like, we have our own--Evangelical, Christian, Trump supporting, Republicans.

oof. yeah nice zinger.

[bladefd]

You're talking about something that doesn't exist. It never happened under Trump. The troop pullout is not some lame victory you have over Trump. The troop pullout and the fallout from it is Biden's problem now. Your problem now since you're a shill for the Democrat Party. You're brain is so polluted and perverted that you honestly think the Taliban taking over Afghanistan is some sort of moral victory over Trump.

I'm just telling you that Biden didn't suddenly woke up a couple months ago & decided to pull out from Afghanistan. This has been in the works for a couple of years under the previous administration. Biden simply followed through with it.

The bold portion is your delusions and something I never said.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Afghanistan War for Dummies.

Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979 for 9 years. They failed. They cut their losses and left.

War-loving Republican George W. Bush decided in 2001 that it was a good idea to invade. He said it would be for a very short time. Eight years later he left office and never pulled out. 2,312 US soldiers have died. We spent almost $1 trillion there.

Today Republicans want to blame Biden to distract from their failed invasion.

Republicans love to start wars because they get huge under-the-table kickbacks and political donations from military contractors. They don't care how many soldiers die.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm just telling you that Biden didn't suddenly woke up a couple months ago & decided to pull out from Afghanistan. This has been in the works for a couple of years under the previous administration. Biden simply followed through with it.

The bold portion is your delusions and something I never said.

And he ****ed it up! At least admit that so you don't look ridiculous in your defense of Biden.

Biden's own intelligence community told him that Afghanistan would collapse if there was an immediate pullout. And in July he told the press that that wasn't true. And yet here we are today.

[theman93]

I'm just telling you that Biden didn't suddenly woke up a couple months ago & decided to pull out from Afghanistan. This has been in the works for a couple of years under the previous administration. Biden simply followed through with it.

The bold portion is your delusions and something I never said.

It was in the works, but "simply follow[ing] through with it" is completely disingenuous.

Do you think the Biden administration's Afghanistan exit strategy was the same as the Trump administration's exit strategy? Or do you think the Trump administration had terms to their proposed withdrawal that included things such as continuing U.S. air power to keep the Taliban in check and try to force them into negotiations?

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump definitely had terms to their withdrawal.

This withdrawal seems completely unplanned and unprepared. The Afgahni President even fled the country! This pullout was clearly political and these incompetent buffoons in the White House really thought this was going to look well for them. Completely backfired on them. And I'm glad.

Democrats scrambling quick for a response to save face:

- Talk about "Orange Man Bad"
- Talk about the Sturgis Rally and Covid
- Talk about January 6th
- Talk about racism!

:oldlol:

[SATAN]

I was wondering how long it would take fgts like OP to start crying about this despite likely cheering on Donald Dump if he did the same thing.

It's so predictable.

[bladefd]

And he ****ed it up! At least admit that so you don't look ridiculous in your defense of Biden.

Biden's own intelligence community told him that Afghanistan would collapse if there was an immediate pullout. And in July he told the press that that wasn't true. And yet here we are today.

What would have Donald Trump done differently to ensure Afghanistan didn't fall to Taliban?

[bladefd]

It was in the works, but "simply follow[ing] through with it" is completely disingenuous.

Do you think the Biden administration's Afghanistan exit strategy was the same as the Trump administration's exit strategy? Or do you think the Trump administration had terms to their proposed withdrawal that included things such as continuing U.S. air power to keep the Taliban in check and try to force them into negotiations?

Link to Trump's withdrawal plan that would have kept Taliban from taking over & Afghan government from collapsing?

Why would you even want to continue spending hundreds of billions there? Air force bombing alone isn't enough to keep the Taliban back. If they want to rule over broken infrastructure and a broken-down government, why is it our duty to deal with it? Here's another solution: don't wage war for 20yrs in the first place.

[Patrick Chewing]

What would have Donald Trump done differently to ensure Afghanistan didn't fall to Taliban?

Shill.

[theman93]

Link to Trump's withdrawal plan that would have kept Taliban from taking over & Afghan government from collapsing?

Why would you even want to continue spending hundreds of billions there? Air force bombing alone isn't enough to keep the Taliban back. If they want to rule over broken infrastructure and a broken-down government, why is it our duty to deal with it? Here's another solution: don't wage war for 20yrs in the first place.

Who's to know what would have worked and what wouldn't, but Biden simply following through on Trump's withdrawal plan is blatantly false information given that Trump's proposed strategy was completely different than the debacle we just witnessed from the Biden administration (coupled with the fact that Trump's deadline to have troops removed was May 1st which Biden delayed).

As for some of what Trump's exit strategy included...

Former Pentagon chief of staff Kash Patel told Just the News on Friday that Trump’s plan included continuing U.S.air power to keep the Taliban in check and try to force them into negotiations.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-blasts-bidens-afghan-exit-strategy-driven-weakness


The United States and the Taliban have negotiated a proposal for a seven-day reduction in violence,” said Esper, who is in Germany for an international security conference. The seven-day clock has not started ticking, but Trump administration officials hope it will lead to a broader Afghanistan peace deal and a significant withdrawal of U.S. troops...
"It is our view that seven days, for now, is sufficient," Esper said. But he cautioned that the next steps will be based on conditions inside Afghanistan, signaling the truce could go awry if Taliban or its allies violate the terms.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/23/donald-trump-afghan-peace-deal-taliban/4850018002/


I totally agree with your second point.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.ibb.co/M2mMywv/Biden-sucks.png

[Chick Stern]

Trump definitely had terms to their withdrawal.

This withdrawal seems completely unplanned and unprepared. The Afgahni President even fled the country! This pullout was clearly political and these incompetent buffoons in the White House really thought this was going to look well for them. Completely backfired on them. And I'm glad.

Democrats scrambling quick for a response to save face:

- Talk about "Orange Man Bad"
- Talk about the Sturgis Rally and Covid
- Talk about January 6th
- Talk about racism!

:oldlol:
- Talk about August 13th.
:yaohappy::yaohappy::yaohappy:

[bladefd]

Who's to know what would have worked and what wouldn't, but Biden simply following through on Trump's withdrawal plan is blatantly false information given that Trump's proposed strategy was completely different than the debacle we just witnessed from the Biden administration (coupled with the fact that Trump's deadline to have troops removed was May 1st which Biden delayed).

As for some of what Trump's exit strategy included...

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-blasts-bidens-afghan-exit-strategy-driven-weakness


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/23/donald-trump-afghan-peace-deal-taliban/4850018002/


I totally agree with your second point.

Where did that Taliban peace treaty exactly end up? Even if we had 7-day peace agreement, what did you think would happen after the 7 days? If we had left on May 1st, the Taliban would have taken over in May.

Face it, Afghanistan was going to fall to Taliban the moment we left. Perhaps Biden shouldn't have publicly announced when they were leaving, but Afghanistan was going to fall.

The only way it wouldn't have fallen is if we decided to stay there. Short of that, Afghanistan was as good as gone. And we were there 20 years, longer than even Vietnam. There were soldiers born after 2001 who joined the Army and were serving there. Full grown men/women who weren't even born on 9/11.

[theman93]

Where did that Taliban peace treaty exactly end up? Even if we had 7-day peace agreement, what did you think would happen after the 7 days? If we had left on May 1st, the Taliban would have taken over in May.

Face it, Afghanistan was going to fall to Taliban the moment we left. Perhaps Biden shouldn't have publicly announced when they were leaving, but Afghanistan was going to fall.

The only way it wouldn't have fallen is if we decided to stay there. Short of that, Afghanistan was as good as gone. And we were there 20 years, longer than even Vietnam. There were soldiers born after 2001 who joined the Army and were serving there. Full grown men/women who weren't even born on 9/11.

You might be right, you might be wrong in that the Taliban was going to take over regardless. But it’s pretty clear the Trump administration was much tougher on our foreign adversaries. Therefore it’s only logical to conclude the Taliban would have given more of a second thought and displayed a greater sense of hesitancy to taking over because if they did, faced a more likely chance of being retaliated against than the Biden administration. The Trump administration also showed a strong ability to broker Middle Eastern peace given that they brokered 4 peace deals there during it’s tenure, so the chance of peace I believe would have been greater with Trump’s administration. Essentially, I think it’s pretty clear the chance of peace was greater under Trump than under Biden

Not only that but I’m willing to bet the Afghanistan military would have stood a greater chance of defending itself under the Trump administration. The Biden administration literally just left them with their pants pulled all the way down... I mean this is just embarassing and sends a message to our allies that we are not reliable:


BAGRAM, Afghanistan -- The U.S. left Afghanistan's Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the base's new Afghan commander, who discovered the Americans' departure more than two hours after they left, Afghan military officials said.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-left-afghan-airfield-night-commander-78676163

[Lakers Legend#32]

2 Trillion dollars to train and equip the Afghan military over the last 20 years.
They fell in a week.
It was never about real training, freedom, war on terrorism, or any other Bush era bullshit.
It was about military contractors and corporations raking in giant profits.

[bobopenguin]

Trump made bitches in middle east sit down and signed the peace deal.
Biden goes like, i can do it too, then let Taliban take over Afghanistan.

[bladefd]

You might be right, you might be wrong in that the Taliban was going to take over regardless. But it’s pretty clear the Trump administration was much tougher on our foreign adversaries. Therefore it’s only logical to conclude the Taliban would have given more of a second thought and displayed a greater sense of hesitancy to taking over because if they did, faced a more likely chance of being retaliated against than the Biden administration. The Trump administration also showed a strong ability to broker Middle Eastern peace given that they brokered 4 peace deals there during it’s tenure, so the chance of peace I believe would have been greater with Trump’s administration. Essentially, I think it’s pretty clear the chance of peace was greater under Trump than under Biden

Not only that but I’m willing to bet the Afghanistan military would have stood a greater chance of defending itself under the Trump administration. The Biden administration literally just left them with their pants pulled all the way down... I mean this is just embarassing and sends a message to our allies that we are not reliable:


https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-left-afghan-airfield-night-commander-78676163

Trump would have retaliated against them how? By sending in more troops and re-capturing territory? It took us a decade and over a trillion dollars to capture that country, countless deaths/bloodshed of our soldiers to get under our control. It would take the same costs to recapture regardless of who is president and Taliban would come back each time we left. You might as well say that Trump administration should have stayed forever.

We had two choices: leave or stay forever.

You and pattychew can decide for yourselves if you would leave or stay forever in Afghanistan. I'm all for pulling out and been for pulling out since Obama was in the White House. Trump and republicans were talking about pulling out in 2016 campaign and 2020 campaign. Democrats in 2020 were talking about pulling out. It was finally done after so many years of all talk & no sction.

As for Trump brokering peace deals. How did north korea deal go? How about iran deal? How about the one he was supposedly brokering with Taliban 2yrs ago? How did they all go?

This is nothing other than still being upset Trump got voted out. The 2020 result is what it is. Don't like it? Kick rocks and scream bloody mary into a paper bag. It will not make a difference.

[CelticBaller]

Biden really did what Trump failed to do lmao

Trump certified clown

[bobopenguin]

Biden really did what Trump failed to do lmao

Trump certified clown

true,
Biden managed to let terrorist take over a country and tons of weapons.

[CelticBaller]

true,
Biden managed to let terrorist take over a country and tons of weapons.

Exactly what was going to happen once Trump left. You do realize what the peace treaty was about right?

[rawimpact]

trump got rid of isis

biden let the taliban gain control in just about six months

what a failure

[Patrick Chewing]

trump got rid of isis

biden let the taliban gain control in just about six months

what a failure

These simpletons in this thread are actually defending Biden...unreal.

[ZenMaster]

https://twitter.com/kamleshksingh/status/1426961970729611265?s=19

Wouldn't even discuss the possibility of it happening, was so nice to leave behind plenty of vehicles and guns as well.

[Hey Yo]

Where did that Taliban peace treaty exactly end up? Even if we had 7-day peace agreement, what did you think would happen after the 7 days? If we had left on May 1st, the Taliban would have taken over in May.

Face it, Afghanistan was going to fall to Taliban the moment we left. Perhaps Biden shouldn't have publicly announced when they were leaving, but Afghanistan was going to fall.

The only way it wouldn't have fallen is if we decided to stay there. Short of that, Afghanistan was as good as gone. And we were there 20 years, longer than even Vietnam. There were soldiers born after 2001 who joined the Army and were serving there. Full grown men/women who weren't even born on 9/11.

Biden himself said last week that Afghanistan would be able hold off the Taliban due to their strength in numbers and proper training they received.

Obviously that didnt happen.

[theman93]

Trump would have retaliated against them how? By sending in more troops and re-capturing territory? It took us a decade and over a trillion dollars to capture that country, countless deaths/bloodshed of our soldiers to get under our control. It would take the same costs to recapture regardless of who is president and Taliban would come back each time we left. You might as well say that Trump administration should have stayed forever.

We had two choices: leave or stay forever.
How can you definitively say what would or wouldn't have happened? Prove your statement is true. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.



You and pattychew can decide for yourselves if you would leave or stay forever in Afghanistan. I'm all for pulling out and been for pulling out since Obama was in the White House. Trump and republicans were talking about pulling out in 2016 campaign and 2020 campaign. Democrats in 2020 were talking about pulling out. It was finally done after so many years of all talk & no sction.
Everyone was in favor of pulling out. But the discussion of how we pulled out was a completely different conversation. Under Biden we've left millions worth of military equipment, left our ally with their pants down, airlifted our embassy in evacuation, and are sending in another 6,000 military personnel because a safe exit can't be ensured. Is what we're witnessing how you think we should have pulled out?


As for Trump brokering peace deals. How did north korea deal go? How about iran deal? How about the one he was supposedly brokering with Taliban 2yrs ago? How did they all go?
Not every single peace deal will come to fruition every single time and that's true for any administration in any country. But brokering four peace deals between Middle East countries was unprecedented. Time will tell how it plays out.


This is nothing other than still being upset Trump got voted out. The 2020 result is what it is. Don't like it? Kick rocks and scream bloody mary into a paper bag. It will not make a difference.
Strawman.

[Patrick Chewing]

CNN Correspondent Wardrobe change: https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1427257571786862592?s=20


:roll:

[theman93]

The Biden exit strategy gets better:

U.S. aircraft on runway as Afghanistani's try to hold on from the outside: https://twitter.com/i/status/1427269467499806720

Afghanistani's plummeting off the aircraft thousands of feet in the air: https://twitter.com/i/status/1427281565495746563

[RRR3]

Conservatives are mad Comrade Biden is anti-war unlike their warmongering hero Trump. Disgusting bloodthirsty demonic individuals.

[CelticBaller]

Conservatives are mad Comrade Biden is anti-war unlike their warmongering hero Trump. Disgusting bloodthirsty demonic individuals.

funny how most if not all were pushing for leaving afghan lol

party hacks with no principles

[Patrick Chewing]

funny how most if not all were pushing for leaving afghan lol

party hacks with no principles

You do understand that there's a difference between leaving Afghanistan and leaving Afghanistan with an actual plan, right? Something Biden clearly didn't have.


We're not advocating for staying in Afghanistan as you simpletons are suggesting. We are laughing and shaking our heads at the cluster**** of an exit strategy implemented by a guy who you all thought was better than Trump. The joke's on you.

[theman93]

You do understand that there's a difference between leaving Afghanistan and leaving Afghanistan with an actual plan, right? Something Biden clearly didn't have.


We're not advocating for staying in Afghanistan as you simpletons are suggesting. We are laughing and shaking our heads at the cluster**** of an exit strategy implemented by a guy who you all thought was better than Trump. The joke's on you.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameFrailCorydorascatfish-size_restricted.gif

[Hey Yo]

July 8th Biden said under no circumstances will there will be Saigon moment where you'll see helicopters landing on rooftops picking people up.

Instead

We currently have full airplane's sitting on the tarmac cause all flights out of Afghanistan have been suspended.

[CelticBaller]

You do understand that there's a difference between leaving Afghanistan and leaving Afghanistan with an actual plan, right?

And You do understand that the "treaty" trump signed was going to eventually lead to this? right?

Btw you're the very definition of a party hack, you're the same clown who was going for neocons until Trump destroyed them and started licking his boots

[Patrick Chewing]

And You do understand that the "treaty" trump signed was going to eventually lead to this? right?

Btw you're the very definition of a party hack, you're the same clown who was going for neocons until Trump destroyed them and started licking his boots

It doesn't matter because we are living in the here, the now, the present. Trump isn't President anymore, so you can't deflect the blame that should be rightfully directed at Biden and place it at Trump's feet and say that the same thing would have happened under his Presidency. You don't know that.

And as is typical with you clowns, you resort to silly insults when you're made to look foolish and stupid.

[theman93]

And You do understand that the "treaty" trump signed was going to eventually lead to this? right?

The Trump treaty was going to lead to millions worth of military equipment being left behind, leaving our ally with their pants down and not informing them of out immediate exit, airlifting our embassy out in evacuation, and sending in another 6,000 military personnel because a safe exit can't be ensured?

Or

Could it be possible, that under Trump, we could have taken our military equipment and not left it for the taking by a terrorist organization, given our ally a notice and timetable of our departure thus giving them time to prepare to defend themselves, have a competent enough strategy to not have to air lift our embassy in an emergency evacuate, and have a competent enough strategy to not have to send in thousands of our military to ensure a safe evacuation in an emergency?

[CelticBaller]

It doesn't matter because we are living in the here, the now, the present.

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/for-sale/c4-3c4pdcab7ht581094/img-1-600x400.jpg

[CelticBaller]

given our ally a notice and timetable of our departure thus giving them time to prepare to defend themselves, have a competent enough strategy to not have to air lift our embassy in an emergency evacuate, and have a competent enough strategy to not have to send in thousands of our military to ensure a safe evacuation in an emergency?

This is all a fantasy, we have decades of footage and training showing how incompetent these people were or how little they cared. In fact a lot of afghan forces were okay with the taliban taking over, look it up these people offered no resistance

[MrFonzworth]

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/for-sale/c4-3c4pdcab7ht581094/img-1-600x400.jpg

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/for-sale/c4-3c4pdcab7ht581094/img-1-600x400.jpg

Are you saying that my reply is a "dodge"?


Dodge what? You're passing off that if troops had left Afghanistan under Trump, that the exact same scenario would have happened. And that because you believe that the exact same scenario would have happened, that Joe Biden is free from criticism or blame.

[DoctorP]

You do understand that there's a difference between leaving Afghanistan and leaving Afghanistan with an actual plan, right? Something Biden clearly didn't have.


We're not advocating for staying in Afghanistan as you simpletons are suggesting. We are laughing and shaking our heads at the cluster**** of an exit strategy implemented by a guy who you all thought was better than Trump. The joke's on you.

Trump had 4 years, did not finish the job. At least Bidens stepping up. Im sure many soldiers are happy to leave that place. Let's see what Bidens speech will be about. He's getting killed for an unpopular move, it will be an interesting speech.

[rawimpact]

Trump had 4 years, did not finish the job. At least Bidens stepping up. Im sure many soldiers are happy to leave that place. Let's see what Bidens speech will be about. He's getting killed for an unpopular move, it will be an interesting speech.

finished the job?

When trump left office, there were a total of 2500 troops there (source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan/2021/04/13/918c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html)

Biden sent over 3500 troops there making the total 6000 (source: https://nypost.com/2021/08/15/biden-sending-1000-troops-to-afghanistan-amid-taliban-turmoil/)

So literally, we've got more troops there and little to no control left of afghanistan and civilians are dying trying to hold onto US planes during takeoff?

shit show of a job by the biden administration.

[DoctorP]

finished the job?

When trump left office, there were a total of 2500 troops there (source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan/2021/04/13/918c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html)

Biden sent over 3500 troops there making the total 6000 (source: https://nypost.com/2021/08/15/biden-sending-1000-troops-to-afghanistan-amid-taliban-turmoil/)

So literally, we've got more troops there and little to no control left of afghanistan and civilians are dying trying to hold onto US planes during takeoff?

shit show of a job by the biden administration.

Good research. We are pulling out. Giving them the country back. Usa is on the decline and has other problems.

Control is not the point anymore. Taliban took their country back. What can you do?

[theman93]

This is all a fantasy, we have decades of footage and training showing how incompetent these people were or how little they cared. In fact a lot of afghan forces were okay with the taliban taking over, look it up these people offered no resistance
Having a competent exit strategy that didn’t require us having to air lift our embassy or having to send in 6,000 more troops to ensure a safe exit in a rushed withdrawal is a fantasy? Yeah, no...unless your standards are bottom of the barrel or completely non-existent.

Your acting like the Taliban is somehow competent either? They aren’t a juggernaut. They’re untrained and have no military expertise - they’re simply just wild and unpredictable in combat.

Feel free to share your sources. I’m not chasing your argument for you.

[Hey Yo]

Biden ordered another 1,000 troops to be sent over totaling to 7,000

[DoctorP]

Having a competent exit strategy that didn’t require us having to air lift our embassy or having to send in 6,000 more troops to ensure a safe exit in a rushed withdrawal is a fantasy? Yeah, no...unless your standards are bottom of the barrel or completely non-existent.

Your acting like the Taliban is somehow competent either? They aren’t a juggernaut. They’re untrained and have no military expertise - they’re simply just wild and unpredictable in combat.

Feel free to share your sources. I’m not chasing your argument for you.

Biden takes the heat but are our generals that shitty that they couldn't do a better job?

Or were the Taliban that overwhelming?

[Hey Yo]

Biden takes the heat but are our generals that shitty that they couldn't do a better job?

Or were the Taliban that overwhelming?

It's being reported our military told Biden that doing it the he wanted to do will cause chaos, but chose not to listen to their advice.

[DoctorP]

It's being reported our military told Biden that doing it the he wanted to do will cause chaos, but chose not to listen to their advice.

Any links? Could be fake news.

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden ordered another 1,000 troops to be sent over totaling to 7,000

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Any links? Could be fake news.

No I don't

[DoctorP]

No I don't

I'll look it up later. Bidens such a bureaucrat its hard to believe he is solely responsible for the strategy.

[theman93]

Biden takes the heat but are our generals that shitty that they couldn't do a better job?

Or were the Taliban that overwhelming?

Yes Biden takes the heat because of how the exit "strategy" was carried out. The buck stops with the Commander-in-chief of our military. Period the end.

[DoctorP]

Yes Biden takes the heat because of how the exit "strategy" was carried out. The buck stops with the Commander-in-chief of our military. Period the end.

Oh for sure

[CelticBaller]

I’m not chasing your argument for you.
The burden of proof is on you, I was arguing with chewing before you butted in, mind your own next time

And lol at the idea that Trump would’ve had this grand plan, just look at how badly we ****ed the Kurds

[Patrick Chewing]

And another thing CelticBaller fails to mention is that Biden was asked the question if a Taliban takeover was inevitable and Biden said that no way that was going to happen. That his intelligence community had never said that to him.

So while CelticBaller can imagine that the same thing would have happened under Trump, at least Trump isn't on record saying that a Taliban takeover would never happen.

[CelticBaller]

Are you saying that my reply is a "dodge"?


Dodge what? You're passing off that if troops had left Afghanistan under Trump, that the exact same scenario would have happened. And that because you believe that the exact same scenario would have happened, that Joe Biden is free from criticism or blame.
Yes, the exact scenario would’ve happened with trump, meaning it was inevitable.

We shouldn’t be the world police anyways, let Afghans handle this

[CelticBaller]

And another thing CelticBaller fails to mention is that Biden was asked the question if a Taliban takeover was inevitable and Biden said that no way that was going to happen. That his intelligence community had never said that to him.

So while CelticBaller can imagine that the same thing would have happened under Trump, at least Trump isn't on record saying that a Taliban takeover would never happen.

Do you seriously want me pull up all the times Trump lied?

I don’t give a ****, Afghan is and shouldn’t be our problem. Most of the people out there are probably fine with those terrorist taking over

[ZenMaster]

I'll look it up later. Bidens such a bureaucrat its hard to believe he is solely responsible for the strategy.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496841-One-thing-Democrats-do-well-is-****-up-the-Middle-East&p=14420141&viewfull=1#post14420141

CNN: It's bizarre :oldlol: https://twitter.com/sophiabfisher/status/1427277156913139716?s=19

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you seriously want me pull up all the times Trump lied?

I don’t give a ****, Afghan is and shouldn’t be our problem. Most of the people out there are probably fine with those terrorist taking over

He does it again, folks. He wants to talk about past things Trump has said or done to justify what Biden is currently doing. To justify all of Biden's erroneous remarks and ****-ups.


It's so weird. Not once has CelticBaller laid any of the blame on Biden. It's all been Trump or the occasional "Afghanistan shouldn't be our problem blah blah blah". :lol


Methinks CelticBaller voted for Biden. What say you, ISH?? :lol

[CelticBaller]

He does it again, folks. He wants to talk about past things Trump has said or done to justify what Biden is currently doing. To justify all of Biden's erroneous remarks and ****-ups.


It's so weird. Not once has CelticBaller laid any of the blame on Biden. It's all been Trump or the occasional "Afghanistan shouldn't be our problem blah blah blah". :lol


Methinks CelticBaller voted for Biden. What say you, ISH?? :lol

You’re an idiot. My point is regardless who does it, Taliban takes over. Afghan was doomed from the beginning

[DoctorP]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496841-One-thing-Democrats-do-well-is-****-up-the-Middle-East&p=14420141&viewfull=1#post14420141

CNN: It's bizarre :oldlol: https://twitter.com/sophiabfisher/status/1427277156913139716?s=19

Wtf is even going on there? Looks like a tea party

[theman93]

Yes, the exact scenario would’ve happened with trump, meaning it was inevitable.

We shouldn’t be the world police anyways, let Afghans handle this

Wrong.

The guy you're defending has a press brief today that says this - "The administration knew that there was a distinct possibility that Kabul would fall to the Taliban. It was not an inevitability. It was a possibility."

https://i.ibb.co/j5qHKqC/whpressbrief816.png

[Patrick Chewing]

You’re an idiot. My point is regardless who does it, Taliban takes over. Afghan was doomed from the beginning

Pathetic Biden shill. Not even man enough to admit Biden is a complete useless tool of a President. Of course you can't admit it though, it would make you look stupid for voting for him.

[ZenMaster]

You’re an idiot. My point is regardless who does it, Taliban takes over. Afghan was doomed from the beginning

It's not just about the Taliban taking over, but how it happens.

All western countries who took part in the war are now scrambling to get people out of Afghanistan, including translators and people working with the west.

Also could have tried to get US hostages released as a condition to leave.

Then there's all the equipment left behind, how does that happen if not on purpose?

Someone here mentioned Taliban being backed by China, I wonder where that came from.

[bladefd]

trump got rid of isis

biden let the taliban gain control in just about six months

what a failure

6 months? Taliban began the push less than about 2 months ago when they realized we were truly leaving and not all talk this time. We had control over Afghanistan until we began to pull back troops to Kabul and taliban began the push.

[bladefd]

Biden himself said last week that Afghanistan would be able hold off the Taliban due to their strength in numbers and proper training they received.

Obviously that didnt happen.

He was wrong. The afghan government and military was corrupt too. They began laying down arms and retreating when the taliban began their push. What can you do when their own army is refusing to attack the insurgents??

If they want a democratic government in Afghanistan, the people have to be willing to fight for it. We can't fight for them on their behalf with our money, our soldiers, and our resources. We are not the world's policemen.

[CelticBaller]

Pathetic Biden shill. Not even man enough to admit Biden is a complete useless tool of a President. Of course you can't admit it though, it would make you look stupid for voting for him.

Your wording is weird

[CelticBaller]

Wrong.

The guy you're defending has a press brief today that says this - "The administration knew that there was a distinct possibility that Kabul would fall to the Taliban. It was not an inevitability. It was a possibility."

https://i.ibb.co/j5qHKqC/whpressbrief816.png

Sorry to tell you, but politicians lie a lot

[Patrick Chewing]

Sorry to tell you, but politicians lie a lot

"Politicians"


Celtic baller can't even bring himself to type Biden's name on the screen. :roll:

[bladefd]

Conservatives are mad Comrade Biden is anti-war unlike their warmongering hero Trump. Disgusting bloodthirsty demonic individuals.

Remember when they were saying Hillary was a war-monger and would continue the war in Afghanistan but Trump would end it? 4 years of Trump and he didn't end anything. He tried to see if he could get a peace treaty with Taliban but realized that it would never work. Biden actually decides to pull the plug in Afghanistan, and they are up in arms about it.

Apparently Trump would have done things differently. Well, he had 4 years to do it. He was all talk. It wasn't like Trump left office a decade ago & didn't have enough time - he left less than 7 months ago. He had plenty of time to evacuate his way, but he didn't. That is the only thing that matters. He did not.

[rawimpact]

Remember when they were saying Hillary was a war-monger and would continue the war in Afghanistan but Trump would end it? 4 years of Trump and he didn't end anything. He tried to see if he could get a peace treaty with Taliban but realized that it would never work. Biden actually decides to pull the plug in Afghanistan, and they are up in arms about it.

Apparently Trump would have done things differently. Well, he had 4 years to do it. He was all talk. It wasn't like Trump left office a decade ago & didn't have enough time - he left less than 7 months ago. He had plenty of time to evacuate his way, but he didn't. That is the only thing that matters. He did not.

Biden has more troops in Afghanistan right now then trump did when he left. And that's a fact

And you're right, Taliban pushed forward the last two months and took over Biden's hold in Afghanistan... two months and the biden administration has had to pack its bags and leave with civilians hanging on to planes

How did trump manage to upkeep afghanistan the last 4 years with just 2500 troops when Biden has 6000 right now and we're losing ground? Weak presidency

[bladefd]

And You do understand that the "treaty" trump signed was going to eventually lead to this? right?

Btw you're the very definition of a party hack, you're the same clown who was going for neocons until Trump destroyed them and started licking his boots

He knows. Every person raging on fauxnews and these forum knows that Afghanistan falling to Taliban was not a question of if but rather when. For many years, they have been calling the middle east a sh!thole and some like pattychew have been calling to nuke the entire Middle East. These same fools are now raging because the taliban are taking over right as we evacuate. The real reason is because of the man in power. It is just another continuation of November 3rd and January 6.

[DoctorP]

1 hour until the presidents speech

[bladefd]

It's being reported our military told Biden that doing it the he wanted to do will cause chaos, but chose not to listen to their advice.

Our military didn't want us to leave. They have been clamoring for at least a decade to not leave. That is why Obama didn't evacuate even though he was talking about it. He listened to the military and did not pull out. That was a mistake. Afghanistan would have fallen in 2011 and 2021 and 2031. Taliban were just waiting for us to begin evacuation before they began their push.

[CelticBaller]

"Politicians"


Celtic baller can't even bring himself to type Biden's name on the screen. :roll:
Biden is a politician, you do the math lol

[theman93]

Remember when they were saying Hillary was a war-monger and would continue the war in Afghanistan but Trump would end it? 4 years of Trump and he didn't end anything. He tried to see if he could get a peace treaty with Taliban but realized that it would never work. Biden actually decides to pull the plug in Afghanistan, and they are up in arms about it.
Up in arms about how Biden pulled the plug. There's an obvious difference, you're just being purposefully obtuse.


Apparently Trump would have done things differently. Well, he had 4 years to do it. He was all talk. It wasn't like Trump left office a decade ago & didn't have enough time - he left less than 7 months ago. He had plenty of time to evacuate his way, but he didn't. That is the only thing that matters. He did not.

Under Trump, Washington brokered a deal with the Taliban that would have seen the American military presence in the country end on May 1, 2021. In exchange, the Taliban came in to agreement not to attack American troops and to cut ties with international jihadist organizations like al-Qaeda which prompted the Afghan War. Instead, Biden broke the deal, extending the military presence initially into September before cutting it back to August......and it's Trump's fault for Biden breaking the deal? :roll:

[Hey Yo]

He knows. Every person raging on fauxnews and these forum knows that Afghanistan falling to Taliban was not a question of if but rather when. For many years, they have been calling the middle east a sh!thole and some like pattychew have been calling to nuke the entire Middle East. These same fools are now raging because the taliban are taking over right as we evacuate. The real reason is because of the man in power. It is just another continuation of November 3rd and January 6.

Your boy just said last week "it's unlikely that the Taliban will take over"

[ZenMaster]

Remember when they were saying Hillary was a war-monger and would continue the war in Afghanistan but Trump would end it? 4 years of Trump and he didn't end anything. He tried to see if he could get a peace treaty with Taliban but realized that it would never work. Biden actually decides to pull the plug in Afghanistan, and they are up in arms about it.

Apparently Trump would have done things differently. Well, he had 4 years to do it. He was all talk. It wasn't like Trump left office a decade ago & didn't have enough time - he left less than 7 months ago. He had plenty of time to evacuate his way, but he didn't. That is the only thing that matters. He did not.

2016 was all Syria, ISIS and Russia.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58084280e4b0180a36e91a53

[bladefd]

Biden has more troops in Afghanistan right now then trump did when he left. And that's a fact

And you're right, Taliban pushed forward the last two months and took over Biden's hold in Afghanistan... two months and the biden administration has had to pack its bags and leave with civilians hanging on to planes

How did trump manage to upkeep afghanistan the last 4 years with just 2500 troops when Biden has 6000 right now and we're losing ground? Weak presidency

Biden sent in more troops just last week to speed up evacuation and defend the embassy/airport. They are not there for offense.

The Afghanistan army has laid down arms and ran. Only troops there that are organized right now are our own soldiers. When Trump was in the White House, he still had support of the afghan army to do his/our general's bidding. If you were even halfway intelligent, you would see why we have such a hard time holding the embassy/airport by ourselves.

[bladefd]

Up in arms about how Biden pulled the plug. There's an obvious difference, you're just being purposefully obtuse.



Under Trump, Washington brokered a deal with the Taliban that would have seen the American military presence in the country end on May 1, 2021. In exchange, the Taliban came in to agreement not to attack American troops and to cut ties with international jihadist organizations like al-Qaeda which prompted the Afghan War. Instead, Biden broke the deal, extending the military presence initially into September before cutting it back to August......and it's Trump's fault for Biden breaking the deal? :roll:

There was no deal with the taliban. The deal was with the Afghanistan government, which is not even a thing anymore.

Leaving 3 months later isn't why the taliban is taking over territory. They would have taken over whether it was may or August.

[rawimpact]

no one fears biden and he just showed why

more troops on afghan soil than trump and still losing ground. every week biden throws more soldiers over there. Another 1000 this week? Lets see how many he wants to add today....

has any other president ever lost more ground in two months? pathetic

[theman93]

There was no deal with the taliban. The deal was with the Afghanistan government, which is not even a thing anymore.

Leaving 3 months later isn't why the taliban is taking over territory. They would have taken over whether it was may or August.
Do you just make stuff up and claim it as fact without even doing an ounce of research first?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden is a politician, you do the math lol

And he's the current President. So he shoulders the responsibility and the blame yesterday, today, and until his term is over.


Thank you for playing.

[rawimpact]

Q: Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling —THE PRESIDENT: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.
The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable. Biden also said that day, “the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-july-9-the-taliban-overrunning-everything-and-owning-the-whole-country-is-highly-unlikely/

https://i.insider.com/6119682bc040ad0018ce63f1?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp
This striking photo was taken as the US rushed to evacuate its embassy in Kabul, which some critics are calling Biden's 'Saigon moment'

https://www.businessinsider.com/photo-captures-embassy-evacuation-some-call-bidens-saigon-moment-2021-8

[Hey Yo]

Where did President Bladen go?

[theman93]

Do you just make stuff up and claim it as fact without even doing an ounce of research first?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Bump @bladefd

[DoctorP]

Do you just make stuff up and claim it as fact without even doing an ounce of research first?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

I'm glad research is being pushed as an agenda for argument. Good job, students. :lol

[theman93]

I'm glad research is being pushed as an agenda for argument. Good job, students. :lol

The only agenda is to come to the table with accurate information if you're going to make truth claims. The deal being between the Afghanistan government and not the Taliban is an objective lie.

[DoctorP]

The only agenda is to come to the table with accurate information if you're going to make truth claims. The deal being between the Afghanistan government and not the Taliban is an objective lie.

indeed.

[bladefd]

Oh you are right it was between the US and Taliban as a framework. The treaty was never ratified though. Taliban was supposed to go to Fort David for discussions, but Trump called it off.

So there was no deal at all.

[Hey Yo]

Why was there no plan B in place??

[theman93]

Oh you are right it was between the US and Taliban as a framework. The treaty was never ratified though. Taliban was supposed to go to Fort David for discussions, but Trump called it off.

So there was no deal at all.

:facepalm Wrong again.

Trump called off the meeting in Camp David on September 8, 2019.

This agreement came on February 29, 2020.

Literally read the document. You clearly have no idea what you're even talking about.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why was there no plan B in place??

There was no real Plan A to begin with.

[bladefd]

Why was there no plan B in place??

Because they didn't expect the Afghan government/army to fall apart, especially not this fast. Taliban began their push 4-6 weeks ago. Until 4-5 days, the Afghan government and army were still intact even though they were retreating & losing land.

We don't truly know the exact evacuation plan, and where it exactly collapsed. It's possible they didn't have enough soldiers to hold Kabul and should have sent in the 6,000 troops a week or 2 earlier. If the Biden administration didn't think the Afghan army would collapse/flee like cowards, it's possible they would have sent in the 6k troops earlier to ensure at least Kabul was defended. The other possibility is they didn't expect panic from the public.

You are supposed to expect the best but also prepare for the worst. All we had to defend was that 1 city. They could have 10k troops there and airforce to hold that one city. Everything else could have collapsed for all we care, but that one city is where we have the embassy & airport. Hell, just protect the embassy and airforce at the minimum - the rest of the city was irrelevant.

[Axe]

There was no real Plan A to begin with.
Maybe that's just what you guys believe.

[Patrick Chewing]

Maybe that's just what you guys believe.

The grownups are having a discussion here. Please leave and take blade with you.

[BigKobeFan]

The grownups are having a discussion here. Please leave and take blade with you.:roll:

[bobopenguin]

so i guess leftist and woke mob has no problem Taliban took over Afghanistan. i guess they also gonna stay silent when those poor woman and 12yrs old girl gonna turn into sex salve and future terrorist production machine.

[diamenz]

boy, this thread sure turned into a mess. ish never fails to entertain after a long day.

i'm the first person in this thread that isn't a partisan hack.

[theman93]

boy, this thread sure turned into a mess. ish never fails to entertain after a long day.

i'm the first person in this thread that isn't a partisan hack.

No you're not lol.

[Lakers Legend#32]

"I started the process of pulling out of Afghanistan. All the troops are coming home. I want to invite their leaders to Camp David."--Donald Trump, February 2020

[DoctorP]

https://i.ibb.co/P15rDxr/W8j5wbC.jpg

The 80's.

[DoctorP]

https://www.thepullrequest.com/p/we-are-no-longer-a-serious-people

Duh.

[Axe]

The grownups are having a discussion here. Please leave and take blade with you.
Keep being blind and deaf more, fatty.

[Overdrive]

https://i.ibb.co/M2mMywv/Biden-sucks.png

You think Biden having different policies or some Rep could've avoided any of that? Huge inflation was prognosed mid covid crisis last year. Gas is one of the main motors for inflation.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The only people who think Afghanistan was a failure are those who don't own stocks in Halliburton, Raytheon and Boeing.
Afghanistan was a blistering success for them.

[Patrick Chewing]

"I started the process of pulling out of Afghanistan. All the troops are coming home. I want to invite their leaders to Camp David."--Donald Trump, February 2020

Tell us how Trump hurt you :lol

[RRR3]

Tell us how Trump hurt you :lol
Why are you pro-war?

[Patrick Chewing]

Why are you pro-war?

Same question applies to you.

[kabar]

All of you are a bunch of clowns. Who the **** cares if Afghanistan falls to Taliban unless you're a dipsht seeing red from propaganda? Another 20 years, will the afghani ****s high off weed and opium suddenly fight? Will they last for 6 weeks after another 20 years of support and training? No you dipshits, thank Biden for finishing what Trump rightfully started.

[DoctorP]

All of you are a bunch of clowns. Who the **** cares if Afghanistan falls to Taliban unless you're a dipsht seeing red from propaganda? Another 20 years, will the afghani ****s high off weed and opium suddenly fight? Will they last for 6 weeks after another 20 years of support and training? No you dipshits, thank Biden for finishing what Trump rightfully started.

The western women that want to see the oppressed women of extreme islam free really, really care about this issue.

[RRR3]

Same question applies to you.
Are you retarded? I’m the one supporting pulling out of Afghanistan. Your bloodthirsty ass is the one who wants to stay there

[Smoke117]

Demonrats fukk up everything. California used to be a great place and now these degenerate Demonrats have basically nearly destroyed it. Luckily I live in Orange County which is fairly conservative to the rest of Southern California, though, it’s also getting worse and worse itself.

[DoctorP]

Demonrats fukk up everything. California used to be a great place and now these degenerate Demonrats have basically nearly destroyed it. Luckily I live in Orange County which is fairly conservative to the rest of Southern California, though, it’s also getting worse and worse itself.

America has really changed. I like the old ways myself but the change is inevitable, unfortunately.

[kabar]

The western women that want to see the oppressed women of extreme islam free really, really care about this issue.

What about the systemic abuse of underage boys by the supposed "good guys" we backed? The Taliban banned the practice of bacha bazi but it surged back amongst the warlords and corrupt police/government. No one wins in a shithole with radical beliefs; even in a supposed modernized system, obedience from women is expected and the denouncing of owning underage boys is a dog and pony show while the powers that be continued the abuse.

[DoctorP]

What about the systemic abuse of underage boys by the supposed "good guys" we backed? The Taliban banned the practice of bacha bazi but it surged back amongst the warlords and corrupt police/government. No one wins in a shithole with radical beliefs; even in a supposed modernized system, obedience from women are expected and the denouncing of owning underage boys is a dog and pony show while the powers that be continued the abuse.

There you go.
More issues.

:confusedshrug:

[Jasper]

From Cowardly Clinton that could have killed Bin Laden but didn't, to Obama and his Arab Spring, to Hillary Clinton botching Benghazi, and now Biden pulling out to soon from Afghanistan and the Taliban taking over.

If there is unrest in the Middle East, odds are a Democrat is in office here in the United States.

you were the first one to say , we don't need their oil lmao //
now you are cry hugging it out with them lmao

[Patrick Chewing]

you were the first one to say , we don't need their oil lmao //
now you are cry hugging it out with them lmao

What?

[theman93]

https://i.ibb.co/2tWc5PJ/rifles1.png

https://i.ibb.co/zf2SsC9/rifles2.png

https://i.ibb.co/ggqfDby/rifles3.png

[Patrick Chewing]

Guarantee you there is another 9/11 style attack due to the enemy having all these weapons that we left behind. They have the weapons, they have the helicopters, they have the tanks, and last but not least, they have their hatred of the West.

[rawimpact]

Are those weapons left behind or forfeited by the 'afghan army' and civilians?

[Stephonit]

As long as those guns are American-made the United States doesn't really care. It's called flooding the market and getting potential customers used to using your gear to increase market share. Cannot lose out to Russian gun manufacturers. The weapons manufacturers are playing the long game.

[theman93]

Guarantee you there is another 9/11 style attack due to the enemy having all these weapons that we left behind. They have the weapons, they have the helicopters, they have the tanks, and last but not least, they have their hatred of the West.

Tbh you can't screw up this bad on accident. Among these refugees why are there only men and no women or children on our aircrafts in all the pictures that are circulating? It's not like it's just the Taliban that are f'd in the head. Just look at the havoc Afghan refugees wreaked in Europe, or this:

https://i.ibb.co/xCCk8XS/afghan1.png

https://i.ibb.co/SxtrRw9/afghan2.png

There's an agenda behind everything over there, this will prove to be no different. Time will tell.

[Norcaliblunt]

Mofos took over the United States capital while Trump was President. Lol. Just let that sink in. And these fools think he’d make things go more smoothly exiting Afghanistan? Lmao.

[Norcaliblunt]

Also Biden voted for that stupid war so yeah he’s a pos too.

[Patrick Chewing]

How embarrassing is it that the Taliban is answering more questions from the press than Biden is at the moment?? :facepalm


Mind boggling how many people fell victim to the conspiracy that Trump was a bad President and that Biden would be a better more effective one. He's being embarrassed on the world stage right now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXhvUozDXpg

[DoctorP]

How embarrassing is it that the Taliban is answering more questions from the press than Biden is at the moment?? :facepalm


Mind boggling how many people fell victim to the conspiracy that Trump was a bad President and that Biden would be a better more effective one. He's being embarrassed on the world stage right now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXhvUozDXpg

Chewing simping for Trump over and over and over and over and over and over and over

literally no brain capacity other than running to your daddy.

pathetic.

CHEWING ERES TREMENDO COMEMIERDA, HIJO

[Patrick Chewing]

Chewing simping for Trump over and over and over and over and over and over and over

literally no brain capacity other than running to your daddy.

pathetic.

CHEWING ERES TREMENDO COMEMIERDA, HIJO

Tu madre hijo de puta. Unos de estos dias te voy a matar.

[DoctorP]

Tu madre hijo de puta. Unos de estos dias te voy a matar.

that's the kind of unhinged lunatic unintelligent savage rant that should get your ass deported.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496559-Deport-Cubans-now!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnesota-man-beheading-girlfriend-illegal-immigrant-cuba

:lol


SALVAGE!!!!

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/07/1862/1048/Alexis-Saborit.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[Patrick Chewing]

So we can conclude that Pee Stain is a fellow Latino. Probably a no good Rican. Hate those ****ers. Dumber than dirt.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Your Reminder:

Donald Trump wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David for a terrorists sleepover on the week of 9/11, and when John Bolton said that was the "stupidest f#cking bullshit he had heard in his lifetime."
Trump fired Bolton.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Guarantee you there is another 9/11 style attack due to the enemy having all these weapons that we left behind. They have the weapons, they have the helicopters, they have the tanks, and last but not least, they have their hatred of the West.

Sorry Poopsie, the 9/11 hijackers accomplished their goals with box cutters.

[bobopenguin]

instead of question legitimacy of taliban, someone here keep on bring up trump.. as like, trump is living rent free in someone's brain.

[DoctorP]

So we can conclude that Pee Stain is a fellow Latino. Probably a no good Rican. Hate those ****ers. Dumber than dirt.

:biggums:

[ZenMaster]

Lucky for China that Biden was 100% wrong in his assement of the situation in Afghanistan, and that the Afghan army didnt want to fight for an part of the country, so no force was really used.


The Taliban have said they hope to develop good relations with China in the rebuilding of Afghanistan and will never allow any forces to use Afghanistan’s territory to harm China, according to a Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman, Hua Chunying during a Monday briefing.


The U.S. along with China, Russia and Pakistan, have said jointly they do not support the establishment in Afghanistan of any government “imposed by force.”

https://im-media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/892x501/s3/2021-08/ap_china_afghanistan_28july21.jpg?itok=lVmsPBq1

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-says-its-ready-work-taliban

[DoctorP]

Lucky for China that Biden was 100% wrong in his assement of the situation in Afghanistan, and that the Afghan army didnt want to fight for an part of the country, so no force was really used.





https://im-media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/892x501/s3/2021-08/ap_china_afghanistan_28july21.jpg?itok=lVmsPBq1

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-says-its-ready-work-taliban


yep. china is ready to accept the taliban as the defacto govt. lets see what happens. china wants to secure its border too.

[Nanners]

https://i.ibb.co/xCCk8XS/afghan1.png


Gotta love how the same woke liberals who love everything LGBT and want to force kids to attend drag queen story hour at the local library are trying to import people who believe that gays and drag queens should be stoned to death

[DoctorP]

Gotta love how the same woke liberals who love everything LGBT and want to force kids to attend drag queen story hour at the local library are trying to import people who believe that gays and drag queens should be stoned to death


welcome to america :lol


"only in america" - don king

[DoctorP]

i literally know feminist lefties that listen to mysogynist gangster rap. :lol


i don't get it either.

I guess the beats are that hot.

[JohnnySic]

Do you think that the Taliban is concerned about super spreader events?

[Patrick Chewing]

Gotta love how the same woke liberals who love everything LGBT and want to force kids to attend drag queen story hour at the local library are trying to import people who believe that gays and drag queens should be stoned to death

Well.....I mean, that could mean less gays and drag queens on the streets of America.

https://c.tenor.com/ciRDuWxdIZMAAAAM/maybe-ehhh.gif

[Lakers Legend#32]

instead of question legitimacy of taliban, someone here keep on bring up trump.. as like, trump is living rent free in someone's brain.

Says the people who post in the Trump 2024 thread.

[DoctorP]

Do you think that the Taliban is concerned about super spreader events?

:lol

[bobopenguin]

Says the people who post in the Trump 2024 thread.

i am seriously, the hate inside ur heart is strong, it reached at the unhealthy level.
u gotta seek for professional help.

and that mr woke dude, even though i think that's an alt account created by jeff to just keep this sub forum alive.

[Norcaliblunt]

Trump didn’t even protect the capital. Lol.

[Axe]

Trump didn’t even protect the capital. Lol.
Yikes.

[Axe]

i am seriously, the hate inside ur heart is strong, it reached at the unhealthy level.
u gotta seek for professional help.

and that mr woke dude, even though i think that's an alt account created by jeff to just keep this sub forum alive.
You've got proof? Lol.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump couldn't even protect himself from Covid.

[DoctorP]

https://i.ibb.co/Ny9b5mH/235770669-10165474919650022-6643635075948629569-n.jpg

[bladefd]

According to Pentagon/State department/US army, it looks like Taliban takeover was less than a week even. Just 5-7 days for the full takeover. I thought it was a month, but it wasn't even that. It's insane how fast that government and army just collapsed. It's almost laughable. 300,000 people army that we spent more than a decade and billions to train just put down the weapons and ran. Yeah, good move pulling out. There was never a chance. I just wish we had pulled out a decade earlier. We could have spent that same money on universal healthcare..

[Patrick Chewing]

Good move pulling out says blade while Afghans are getting murdered, Taliban has our weapons, and American citizens are still left behind.

But yeah, good move pulling out when we did says blade.

[diamenz]

Good move pulling out says blade while Afghans are getting murdered, Taliban has our weapons, and American citizens are still left behind.

But yeah, good move pulling out when we did says blade.

who's to say any other president wouldn't have done any better of a job or even worse? you know i'm no democratic or biden shill, but joe's gone further pulling out of talibanistan than any of his predecessors. WE'RE OUT. any kind of a hasty pull-out wouldn't have gone well, or swimmingly. and a hasty pull-out is the only way. otherwise we're just beating around the bush.

i don't pay any mind about giving him credit or giving him shit about it - i'm just glad we're out. you are too. it's not like anybody actually gives a shit about the atrocities going on over there. i don't think about it, you don't, no one here does. the media doesn't talk about it, etc. only when it's convenient.

when you've got the entire washington establishment and both sides of the media going at you, you must be doing something right.

[theman93]

who's to say any other president wouldn't have done any better of a job or even worse? you know i'm no democratic or biden shill, but joe's gone further pulling out of talibanistan than any of his predecessors. WE'RE OUT. any kind of a hasty pull-out wouldn't have gone well, or swimmingly. and a hasty pull-out is the only way. otherwise we're just beating around the bush.

i don't pay any mind about giving him credit or giving him shit about it - i'm just glad we're out. you are too. it's not like anybody actually gives a shit about the atrocities going on over there. i don't think about it, you don't, no one here does. the media doesn't talk about it, etc. only when it's convenient.

when you've got the entire washington establishment and both sides of the media going at you, you must be doing something right.

But we are not out yet. We're sending in thousands of more troops because there are thousands of Americans that can't get out of the country because we only have Kabul's airport secured. The American civilians stuck behind Taliban lines has created a potential hostage situation the likes we've never seen before.


Joe Biden’s State Department moved to cancel a critical State Department program aimed at providing swift and safe evacuations of Americans out of crisis zones just months prior to the fall of Kabul
https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/bidens-state-dept-halted-trump-era-crisis-response-plan/

A hasty military pull out that went against the advisory of our CJCS and Defense Secretary before we got our civilians, Afghan allies, and NATO allies out was the only way?

[diamenz]

But we are not out yet. We're sending in thousands of more troops because there are thousands of Americans that can't get out of the country because we only have Kabul's airport secured. The American civilians stuck behind Taliban lines has created a potential hostage situation the likes we've never seen before.


https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/bidens-state-dept-halted-trump-era-crisis-response-plan/

A hasty military pull out that went against the advisory of our CJCS and Defense Secretary before we got our civilians, Afghan allies, and NATO allies out was the only way?

:facepalm. it's been a long week for me and i haven't kept up with things. i thought we were out, or at least finalizing it.

i only skimmed through that article, but why did biden choose to trash that plan? there had to have been a reason.

[Patrick Chewing]

Let's be real here. You don't pull out of Afghanistan the way Joe Biden did. And you guys are forgetting about one crucial point here. The intelligence community was telling him for months not to do it and he did it anyway. So Biden's pullout was deliberate and went against the intelligence reports and advice. Why are you guys assuming that everyone else whether it had been Trump or Obama or Bush would have done the same thing?? This was done out of pure incompetence. And now look at the mess that we leave behind.

[theman93]

:facepalm. it's been a long week for me and i haven't kept up with things. i thought we were out, or at least finalizing it.

i only skimmed through that article, but why did biden choose to trash that plan? there had to have been a reason.

I agree. This level of failure is hard to blame on mere incompetence.

There are theories floating around but who knows what is true. They mostly seem to revolve around China and given that there's a clear connection between Biden and China I think it gives credit to said theories. Even Biden's National Security Advisor is a major China sympathizer.

As America goes more green (which will be fast tracked if the infrastructure bill that's been introduced gets passed) the more we will depend on rare earth metal production for electric vehicle production. That means more reliance on China as China is responsible for some 80-85% of rare earth metal production. That only stands to grow given the strengthening relationship between China and the Taliban, the Taliban take over of Afghanistan, and Afghanistan's $1-3 trillion in untapped rare earth metals waiting to be produced. China's Belt and Road Initiative will likely make this production and transportation easier as it will open channels between Central Asia, the Middle East and Europe.

Also consider all the intel we left behind from our abandoned military bases. I’m sure China would love to get its hands on that. Speaking of which, why did the Biden administration leak that it’s considering launching airstrikes on equipment we left behind? May as well just shout our military plans by bullhorn next time so our enemies know our objective.

As for other ties this guy is usually pretty on top of things as well.


So we have ties between China and Pakistan, the U.S. has been giving hundreds of millions in military aid to Pakistan, and the Taliban is flooding into Afghanistan from... guess where? Pakistan. Our foreign policy is a complete mess.

U.S. Aid to Pakistan for last few years [shows aid being cut]. Trump cut aid as part of his quid pro quo, pragmatic approach to foreign policy. Some of these expenditures are redacted. Biden, who was one of the key architects of the Kerry-Lugar Bill, is looking to increase aid to Pakistan in his proposed 2022 budget - "In its first budget, for fiscal year 2022, the Biden administration also seeks money for providing economic and social support to Pakistan and for training Pakistani military personnel."

This is more naivete after what we witnessed in Afghanistan. Pakistan utterly failed us.

It gets sticky in the sense that China would jump into any power vacuum if we slashed funding [to Pakistan] over the Afghanistan debacle. We're looking at another proxy fight for influence b/w China & U.S., reminiscent to America & USSR during the Cold War.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1428561464453996546?s=20

There's also always the complexity and corruption behind the Military-Industrial Complex. So like I said, who really knows why this happened. But you don't end evacuation programs before you evacuate your own citizens on accident, you don't abandon your largest air base in the middle of the night without even notifying the Afghan commander on accident, you don't provide zero communication with your NATO ally the timing and pace of your withdrawal and ignore their calls for 36 hours on accident, and it's hard to believe the directive of the CJCS and Defense Secretary was ignored purely on incompetence.

[bladefd]

:facepalm. it's been a long week for me and i haven't kept up with things. i thought we were out, or at least finalizing it.

i only skimmed through that article, but why did biden choose to trash that plan? there had to have been a reason.

Because he was naive and thought taliban takeover would take months or their government/army would survive for a bit. Nobody predicted 5-7 days for a complete collapse and takeover.

[bladefd]

Let's be real here. You don't pull out of Afghanistan the way Joe Biden did. And you guys are forgetting about one crucial point here. The intelligence community was telling him for months not to do it and he did it anyway. So Biden's pullout was deliberate and went against the intelligence reports and advice. Why are you guys assuming that everyone else whether it had been Trump or Obama or Bush would have done the same thing?? This was done out of pure incompetence. And now look at the mess that we leave behind.

The intelligence community wasn't even predicting a 1-week collapse+takeover at this pace. They actually wanted us to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely rather than leave.

[DoctorP]

Minerals. Afghanistan is about to become Saudi Arabia

[diamenz]

I agree. This level of failure is hard to blame on mere incompetence.

There are theories floating around but who knows what is true. They mostly seem to revolve around China and given that there's a clear connection between Biden and China I think it gives credit to said theories. Even Biden's National Security Advisor is a major China sympathizer.

As America goes more green (which will be fast tracked if the infrastructure bill that's been introduced gets passed) the more we will depend on rare earth metal production for electric vehicle production. That means more reliance on China as China is responsible for some 80-85% of rare earth metal production. That only stands to grow given the strengthening relationship between China and the Taliban, the Taliban take over of Afghanistan, and Afghanistan's $1-3 trillion in untapped rare earth metals waiting to be produced. China's Belt and Road Initiative will likely make this production and transportation easier as it will open channels between Central Asia, the Middle East and Europe.

Also consider all the intel we left behind from our abandoned military bases. I’m sure China would love to get its hands on that. Speaking of which, why did the Biden administration leak that it’s considering launching airstrikes on equipment we left behind? May as well just shout our military plans by bullhorn next time so our enemies know our objective.

As for other ties this guy is usually pretty on top of things as well.



https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1428561464453996546?s=20

There's also always the complexity and corruption behind the Military-Industrial Complex. So like I said, who really knows why this happened. But you don't end evacuation programs before you evacuate your own citizens on accident, you don't abandon your largest air base in the middle of the night without even notifying the Afghan commander on accident, you don't provide zero communication with your NATO ally the timing and pace of your withdrawal and ignore their calls for 36 hours on accident, and it's hard to believe the directive of the CJCS and Defense Secretary was ignored purely on incompetence.

that's an interesting scoop... the media should be asking these questions (they're obviously just as incompetent). plus we'll probably never hear the answer to most of what you mentioned... from anyone or anywhere, ever.

[Patrick Chewing]

The intelligence community wasn't even predicting a 1-week collapse+takeover at this pace. They actually wanted us to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely rather than leave.


You need to stop defending Biden tooth and nail. Plenty of Democrats are turning on Biden and rightfully so. Bottom, line the decision to pull out the troops was Biden's and Biden's alone. His advisors are just as incompetent and clueless as he is. Biden solely did this for political reasons. He wanted to have this on his resume as some sort of heroic and righteous thing he did by bringing the troops home, but it backfired tremendously on him. And before you say the same mundane and primitive talking point "it would have happened under any other President", no it would not have. If the intelligence community was advising him to leave the troops behind due to an imminent takeover of the Taliban if the troops were removed, then he should have listened to them.


There's a reason we still have bases in Germany and Japan.

[RRR3]

You need to stop defending Biden tooth and nail. Plenty of Democrats are turning on Biden and rightfully so. Bottom, line the decision to pull out the troops was Biden's and Biden's alone. His advisors are just as incompetent and clueless as he is. Biden solely did this for political reasons. He wanted to have this on his resume as some sort of heroic and righteous thing he did by bringing the troops home, but it backfired tremendously on him. And before you say the same mundane and primitive talking point "it would have happened under any other President", no it would not have. If the intelligence community was advising him to leave the troops behind due to an imminent takeover of the Taliban if the troops were removed, then he should have listened to them.


There's a reason we still have bases in Germany and Japan.
Imagine being pro war.

Biden made the right move.

[ZenMaster]

https://media.communities.win/post/TkPbm7wP.jpeg

[Patrick Chewing]

Imagine being pro war.

Biden made the right move.

There was no war going on you idiot. How stupid are you? Truthfully?

[TheMan]

https://media.giphy.com/media/BKjpH2YRVAyru/giphy.gif

First response thread kill...

[Axe]

https://media.communities.win/post/TkPbm7wP.jpeg
Make australia great again, please. :(

[TheMan]

Meh, he should have never gone into Iraq, but there were no Arab Springs or attack on our embassies under his watch. Deposing Saddam was a mistake. Saddam kept these jihadis in check.
True but just the largest terrorist attack in our homeland but who cares about tiny details! That only takes away from our narrative...

[Patrick Chewing]

True but just the largest terrorist attack in our homeland but who cares about tiny details! That only takes away from our narrative...


sigh

[RRR3]

Chewing the Bush stan yikes.

[bladefd]

You need to stop defending Biden tooth and nail. Plenty of Democrats are turning on Biden and rightfully so. Bottom, line the decision to pull out the troops was Biden's and Biden's alone. His advisors are just as incompetent and clueless as he is. Biden solely did this for political reasons. He wanted to have this on his resume as some sort of heroic and righteous thing he did by bringing the troops home, but it backfired tremendously on him. And before you say the same mundane and primitive talking point "it would have happened under any other President", no it would not have. If the intelligence community was advising him to leave the troops behind due to an imminent takeover of the Taliban if the troops were removed, then he should have listened to them.


There's a reason we still have bases in Germany and Japan.

Whenever you complain, that is when we know the right decision was made. You are anti-answer and anti-truth. Whatever you say, the true answer and actual truth is always the exact opposite.

[bladefd]

https://media.communities.win/post/TkPbm7wP.jpeg

Do we have a copy of his plan that isn't in hindsight? As in from 2020 that includes each of those points. Nobody is ever wrong speaking in hindsight.

[Patrick Chewing]

Whenever you complain, that is when we know the right decision was made. You are anti-answer and anti-truth. Whatever you say, the true answer and actual truth is always the exact opposite.

If the truth was on your side, Biden wouldn't be getting excoriated in the media and in the polls as he has been. But he is. And you're living in a fantasy world by yourself if you think otherwise.

[bladefd]

If the truth was on your side, Biden wouldn't be getting excoriated in the media and in the polls as he has been. But he is. And you're living in a fantasy world by yourself if you think otherwise.

You know a lot about getting excoriated in the media and polls after 5 long years. Oh, they suddenly matter a lot now after you spent last 5yrs trashing them nonstop?? :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

They can't protect us worldwide or at the border or in the streets.

Thanks Biden and fellow Dems.

[Axe]

They can't protect us worldwide or at the border or in the streets.

Thanks Biden and fellow Dems.
Where does it hurt, chico?

[theman93]

I think the one thing a lot of people aren't taking in to account with all of this is how it has dejected our allies and emboldened our adversaries. On the world stage we look weak and untrustworthy. Never a position you want to find yourself in.

[bladefd]

I think the one thing a lot of people aren't taking in to account with all of this is how it has dejected our allies and emboldened our adversaries. On the world stage we look weak and untrustworthy. Never a position you want to find yourself in.

For 5yrs, our allies looked downcast snd were looking at us with frustration. This issue can't take us any lower than what we were in the eyes of the world.

Also, it suddenly matters now how the world sees us to conservatives? Welcome to the party. You fellows are always late to the party.

[theman93]

For 5yrs, our allies looked downcast snd were looking at us with frustration. This issue can't take us any lower than what we were in the eyes of the world.

Also, it suddenly matters now how the world sees us to conservatives? Welcome to the party. You fellows are always late to the party.

If this issue wasn’t able to take us lower, then how come it wasn’t until now that the UK Parliament held us (Biden) in contempt?

Also, nice straw man.