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Kuniva was right. 3ball the Kobe stan knows he can’t argue Kobe over LeBron in good faith so he uses MJ instead to try and discredit LeBron. Unfortunately the mask slipped and he’s been exposed.
3ba11
08-15-2021, 09:48 PM
I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 09:49 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 09:50 PM
Why is it that Bird's defenders never can explain his underwhelming performances in the playoffs despite being playing on stacked teams for most of his career
Why didn't he take over games and at least go down fighting any of those seasons that the Celtics fell short in?
1980 ECF: Loses to the Sixers in 5 (not the stacked Sixers of later, we're talking a team where Dawkins was Dr. J's #2). Averages 22ppg on 44% shooting, including 5-19 for 12 points in the decisive Game 5.
1981 Finals: Averages 15ppg on 42% shooting, including a streak in the middle where he scored 8, 8, and 12 in three consecutive games. Celtics win anyway cause of the worst Western Conference perhaps ever (two 40-42 teams had faced in the WCF), but Bird loses Finals MVP to Cedric Maxwell.
1982 ECF: Averages 18ppg on 41% shooting and Boston loses to Philly in 7. Scores 20 on 7-18 shooting in losing Game 7 in a blowout.
1983 ECSF: Boston is swept by a Bucks team whose best players are Moncrief, Johnson, Bridgeman, Lanier and Winters. Bird averages 19ppg on 44% shooting on the losing end of the sweep.
1984 Finals: Boston won due to constant trips to the foul line and Magic choking, squeezing through despite Bird shooting just 6-18 for 20 points in the elimination game. But I guess 6-18 was just part of his strategy?
1985 Finals: Loses to the Lakers in 6. Averages just 24ppg on 45% shooting in the Finals (Worthy, his matchup, averaged 24ppg on 56% shooting). His teammate McHale actually led all scorers with 26ppg on 60% shooting in the losing effort. Celtics lost Game 5 with Larry scoring just 20 (4th on the team behind DJ, McHale, and Parish and with 8-17 shooting was the worst of the four) and then lost Game 6 and the series with Larry shooting just 12-29 (again outscored by McHale who had 32 on 11-18 shooting).
1987 Finals: Boston loses to LA in the Finals for the second time in three years. Bird goes 6-16 for 16 points in the deciding Game 6 loss. Dennis Johnson had 33 and McHale had 20 in that game. Worthy had 22 points on 10-16 shooting in only 36 minutes before fouling out. (Worthy averaged 21ppg on 52% shooting for the series.)
1988 ECF: Averages 20ppg on 35% shooting as the Celtics go down in 6 to the Pistons. Bird scores 16 on 4-17 shooting in losing Game 6, while Boston was getting lit up by 6'5" SF Adrian Dantley.
And I ain't even gonna get into 1989-1992, cause he was old and hurt, but he sucked in all of those seasons too.
That's the reality. The truth is that Bird went out a LOT against teams that weren't necessarily better than his, and he went out while playing like shit in the decisive games.
The truth is that Bird almost never took over in decisive games despite his manufactured "clutch" reputation. Why is this glossed over?
I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.
Why do you pretend to be an MJ fan?
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 09:52 PM
If one were to take a long deep look at Bird's long list of playoff failures they would see why he is not ranked top 5 of all time by both fans and the media nowdays
1980- Averaged a .51;1 TS% in the postseason. In-game 5 vs. the Sixers, he shot poorly, 5-19 with just 12 points, as the Celtics lost the game.
His man (Dr. J) averaged 25 PPG in this series. His team loses in 5 games despite having HCA and winning 61 games. Had an 18.3 PER in the postseason
1981- Has a .53;2 TS% in the postseason. He had a bad finals where he averaged just 15 PPG on .41;9 shooting and .46;0 TS%.
1982- PPG average dropped from 22.9 PPG to 17.8 PPG. He has an embarrassing .47;4 TS% in the playoffs.
He averaged a pedestrian 18.3 PPG against the Sixers. Averages 17 PPG in the final 2 games of the series. The Celtics lose again with HCA. The Celtics won 63 games and had the #1 SRS in the league. Has a 17.9 PER in the postseason.
1983- The Celtics get swept by the Bucks. The Celtics win 56 games and had the #2 SRS in the league and lose again with HCA. Bird plays awful again. .47;8 TS%.
His PPG average drops 2 PPG in the playoffs. Bird missed a game in the series but that game happened to be the closest one (Celtics lose by 4). In the 3 other games, the Celtics lose by 14.3 PPG with Bird on the court.
1984- Great playoffs. Averaged 27-14-4 in the Finals and had a .60;7 TS% in the playoffs. First great playoffs of his career. The Celtics win the title over the Lakers in a massive upset.
1985- Celtics make the finals, but Bird's numbers drop in the playoffs. His PPG drops by 2.8 PPG, Reb by 1.2 Reb, and AST by 0.7 AST. Had an average .53.6 TS% in the postseason. Bird plays even worse in the finals.
His PPG dropped 4.9 PPG, his Reb 1.7 Reb, and AST by 1.6 AST in the finals compared to his regular-season average.
His Finals TS% is just .52.7.
Not only that, but the Celtics finish with 63 wins and lose once again with HCA a constant theme in Bird's career. This is the first time in Celtics history they lost in the finals with HCA.
1986- Great year. His best year ever. Wins the title. .61.5 TS% in the postseason and amazing finals.
1987- I think this is his most admirable playoffs up until the finals. The Celtics were quite banged up this year. Averaged 27-10-7 in the postseason with .57.7 TS%. Though his numbers in the finals dropped off once again.
His PPG was 3.9 PPG down from the regular season, AST down by 2.1 AST and his TS% was just .534. In-game 6, Bird scored just 16 points on 6-16 (.37.5) shooting.
In the final 3 games of this series, Bird averaged just 20 PPG on .37.7 shooting and .49.2 TS% with 3.7 TOV. This is the first time Bird has played without HCA in the playoffs and his team loses.
1988- Bird's PPG drops by 5.4 PPG, Reb by 0.5 Reb. Bird shoots an awful 40-114 (.351) against the Pistons. Has a mediocre .53.8 TS% and 20.2 PER in the playoffs. The Celtics had HCA and the #1 SRS in the league and you probably guessed what happened next, Larry Bird loses with HCA once again.
1989- Injured doesn't play in the postseason.
1990- Bird shoots .53.9 TS% and has 3.6 TOV as the Celtics once again you guessed it, lose with HCA.
1991- In the first round, his team needs to go 5 vs. the 41 win Pacers. His PPG drop by 2.3 PPG and his Rebounds and Assists also drop quite a bit. Has a .49.0 TS% 15.8 PER in the playoffs. Against the Pistons Bird averages 13.4 PPG on .44.6 TS%. His 56 win team played with you guessed it HCA and loses with it.
1992- Doesn't play in the first round as the Celtics sweep the Pacers. In round 2, his team goes 7 against the Cavs, but Bird plays in 4 games and his team was 1-3 in those games.
Averages a pathetic 11.3 PPG and 4.5 Reb which are 8.4 PPG and 5.2 Reb down from his regular-season average. He has a .51.4 TS% and 16.4 PER in the postseason.
So out of 12 years, you get 9 years under 54.0 TS%, 5 under. 52.0 TS%, and 3 under. 50.0 TS%.
From 80-83, he had a 19.9 playoff PER. In that span, Johnny Moore, Franklin Edwards, Gus Williams, and Bob Lanier all had better playoff PER and WS/48. Teammates Parish, McHale, Tiny Archibald, and Cedric Maxwell had better TS% in that span.
From 88-92, he had an 18.8 PER which is 25th among players with 10 playoff games played.
Players who had better playoff PER's in that span include Fat Lever, Terry Cummings, Roy Tarpley, Cedric Ceballos, and Sarunas Marciulionis. His teammates Reggie Lewis and Kevin McHale had better playoff PER's in that span.
With Bird, you get a nice 4-year run that had 4 straight finals appearances but outside of that, you get a 4-year span of .50.5 TS% (80-83) and a .52.5 TS% span (88-92).
In 12 years, you get 7 losses with HCA. Basically, out of Bird's 13-year career, you have 1 injury season and 3 non-descript postseasons at the end of his plus some playoff disappointments early in his career.
Bird played in an NBA that shot about .48.5 in his career.
Yet, in the post-season, he only shot .47.2. Which is bad enough, but, wait...it gets worse. He shot a career .45.5 in his five finals. In fact, he shot under .39.9 in his 31 Finals games as often as he shot over .49.9...eleven times (including two games of under .29.9!) His high Finals series was only .48.8, and his low was .41.9.
And how did the great "Game Seven" Bird fare in his lone game seven finals game? 6-18...or 33%.
Furthermore, in his five Finals, he was only the best player in two of them, and in fact, lost out to a teammate in the '81 Finals for the FMVP (Cedric Maxwell.) In fact, Bird wasn't even the second-best player on the floor in two more ('85 and '87 Finals.)
3ba11
08-15-2021, 09:52 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2
No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings
Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2
No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings
It wasn’t a troll. You exposed yourself as a Kobe stan. No MJ stan would ever even say that jokingly.
3ba11
08-15-2021, 09:56 PM
It wasn’t a troll. You exposed yourself as a Kobe stan. No MJ stan would ever even say that jokingly.
yeah, okay... if it helps you sleep tonight
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 09:57 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
kobe shouldn't even have been playing in most of those finals. he toughed it out and played with a sprained ankle in 2000
food poisoning in 2002, a surgically repaired shoulder and knee in 2004 in the middle of a rape trial, then 3 straight years of injuries to his shooting hand from 2008 to 2010 plus a knee injury that cut his minutes to 30 a game for 2011
lebron skips months with any of these injuries. and when he came back after 2 months with a sprained ankle it was still used as an excuse for his loss to Phoenix
kobe prevails against all odds. hes the toughest player of all time
3ba11
08-15-2021, 09:58 PM
Why is it that Bird's defenders never can explain his underwhelming performances in the playoffs despite being playing on stacked teams for most of his career
Why didn't he take over games and at least go down fighting any of those seasons that the Celtics fell short in?
1980 ECF: Loses to the Sixers in 5 (not the stacked Sixers of later, we're talking a team where Dawkins was Dr. J's #2). Averages 22ppg on 44% shooting, including 5-19 for 12 points in the decisive Game 5.
1981 Finals: Averages 15ppg on 42% shooting, including a streak in the middle where he scored 8, 8, and 12 in three consecutive games. Celtics win anyway cause of the worst Western Conference perhaps ever (two 40-42 teams had faced in the WCF), but Bird loses Finals MVP to Cedric Maxwell.
1982 ECF: Averages 18ppg on 41% shooting and Boston loses to Philly in 7. Scores 20 on 7-18 shooting in losing Game 7 in a blowout.
1983 ECSF: Boston is swept by a Bucks team whose best players are Moncrief, Johnson, Bridgeman, Lanier and Winters. Bird averages 19ppg on 44% shooting on the losing end of the sweep.
1984 Finals: Boston won due to constant trips to the foul line and Magic choking, squeezing through despite Bird shooting just 6-18 for 20 points in the elimination game. But I guess 6-18 was just part of his strategy?
1985 Finals: Loses to the Lakers in 6. Averages just 24ppg on 45% shooting in the Finals (Worthy, his matchup, averaged 24ppg on 56% shooting). His teammate McHale actually led all scorers with 26ppg on 60% shooting in the losing effort. Celtics lost Game 5 with Larry scoring just 20 (4th on the team behind DJ, McHale, and Parish and with 8-17 shooting was the worst of the four) and then lost Game 6 and the series with Larry shooting just 12-29 (again outscored by McHale who had 32 on 11-18 shooting).
1987 Finals: Boston loses to LA in the Finals for the second time in three years. Bird goes 6-16 for 16 points in the deciding Game 6 loss. Dennis Johnson had 33 and McHale had 20 in that game. Worthy had 22 points on 10-16 shooting in only 36 minutes before fouling out. (Worthy averaged 21ppg on 52% shooting for the series.)
1988 ECF: Averages 20ppg on 35% shooting as the Celtics go down in 6 to the Pistons. Bird scores 16 on 4-17 shooting in losing Game 6, while Boston was getting lit up by 6'5" SF Adrian Dantley.
And I ain't even gonna get into 1989-1992, cause he was old and hurt, but he sucked in all of those seasons too.
That's the reality. The truth is that Bird went out a LOT against teams that weren't necessarily better than his, and he went out while playing like shit in the decisive games.
The truth is that Bird almost never took over in decisive games despite his manufactured "clutch" reputation. Why is this glossed over?
Lebron has just as many crappy series - but the difference is that Lebron employs a shittier skillset that loses and needs more help than Bird, while also facing bums in the East compared to Bird facing super-teams in the East.
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 09:59 PM
Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2
No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings
Kobe has zero arguments to be ranked as a top 5 player of all time.
Kobe did not deserve to win the only MVP he won in his career in 2008.
Kobe Bryant was given a lifetime accomplishment MVP award, but Chris Paul clearly had the better statistical and impactful season than Kobe did in 2007-2008.
Chris Paul:
WS: 17.8 (led the NBA),
WS/48: .284 (led the NBA),
PER: 28.2 (2nd in NBA)
VORP: 8.5 (2nd in NBA)
PPG: 21.1 (19th in NBA)
APG: 11.6 (1st in NBA)
RPG: 4.0
SPG: 2.7
FG: 49%
3FG: 37%
FT: 85%
Kobe Bryant:
WS: 13.8 (4th in NBA),
WS/48: .208 (8th in NBA),
PER: 24.0 (8th in NBA),
VORP: 6.0 (3rd in NBA)
PPG: 28.3 (2nd in NBA)
APG: 5.4 (19th in NBA)
RPG: 6.3
SPG: 1.8
FG: 45%
3FG: 36%
FT: .84%
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 09:59 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
:roll:
:roll:
Why did you leave off his TS% for 2000? It was 41.1% btw :yaohappy:
Kobe has zero arguments to be ranked as a top 5 player of all time.
Kobe did not deserve to win the only MVP he won in his career in 2008.
Kobe Bryant was given a lifetime accomplishment MVP award, but Chris Paul clearly had the better statistical and impactful season than Kobe did in 2007-2008.
Chris Paul:
WS: 17.8 (led the NBA), WS/48: .284 (led the NBA),
PER: 28.2 (2nd in NBA)
VORP: 8.5 (2nd in NBA)
PPG: 21.1 (19th in NBA)
APG: 11.6 (1st in NBA)
RPG: 4.0
SPG: 2.7
FG: 49%
3FG: 37%
FT: 85%
Kobe Bryant:
WS: 13.8 (4th in NBA),
WS/48: .208 (8th in NBA),
PER: 24.0 (8th in NBA),
VORP: 6.0 (3rd in NBA)
PPG: 28.3 (2nd in NBA)
APG: 5.4 (19th in NBA)
RPG: 6.3
SPG: 1.8
FG: 45%
3FG: 36%
FT: .84%
Despite those, kobe never choked in a finals game 7 unlike your precious hero wilt.
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 10:05 PM
Despite those, kobe never choked in a finals game 7 unlike your precious hero wilt.
Shooting 6 for 24 in a finals game seven is clearly choking.
Plus the only reason why he won that game seven was due to the REF's helping the Lakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jM0aITPms
I remember being amazed that Gasol wasn’t being called for fouls that game. He had 0 in the full 24 minutes he played in the second half.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.html
When truthfully Gasol could have easily had 3 to 4 fouls called against him in the second half.
If you rewatch that 2010 finals game seven there was a clear inconsistency between how the Ref's called it in Q1-Q3 vs. Q4, and then a clear inconsistency in Q4 between how they called it for the Lakers vs. the Celtics.
Some ridiculous number of FTs for the Lakers in Q4, like 20, that was more than what the Celtics had all game, and it was not like the Lakers were living in the paint while the Celtics were only shooting perimeter jumpers.
Shooting 6 for 24 in a finals game seven is clearly choking.
Plus the only reason why he won that game seven was due to the REF's helping the Lakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jM0aITPms
Oof the bail out. Touché. :(
SATAN
08-15-2021, 10:11 PM
I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him...
:oldlol:
3ba11
08-15-2021, 10:11 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
^^^ kobe's stats as 2nd option from 00-04' don't count
Only his stats as 1st optioon count (08-10')
and Kobe was undertaking a greater burden in those years than Lebron ever did because Kobe won with a true 2nd option that averaged far less, while Lebron won with elite 1st options as sidekick that matched Lebron's scoring and therefore attracted equal defensive attention (thus inflating Bron's efficiency compared to Kobe's)..
We all saw the 15' Playoffs when Lebron didn't have an elite 1st option to play sidekick and match his scoring (therefore attracting equal defensive attention)... Lebron's efficiency was just as bad as Kobe's when he was in the same situation as Kobe
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 10:14 PM
:roll:
what's more embarrassing. winning with injuries and shooting less efficient during a time when refs swallowed their whistles in the finals and everyone shot less%
or choking as many times as lebron has and being known as the biggest loser in finals history as a league mvp.
kobe isn't remembered as a poor finals performer because he's 5-2.. he has legit titles and won with 2 teams that basically had nothing but an OK sidekick
kobe is remembered far more fondly as a winner than lebron and that eats you up inside you racoon faced loser lmao
what's more embarrassing. winning with injuries and shooting less efficient during a time when refs swallowed their whistles in the finals and everyone shot less%
or choking as many times as lebron has and being known as the biggest loser in finals history as a league mvp.
kobe isn't remembered as a poor finals performer because he's 5-2.. he has legit titles and won with 2 teams that basically had nothing but an OK sidekick
kobe is remembered far more fondly as a winner than lebron and that eats you up inside you racoon faced loser lmao
Well, kong has twice the finals mvps mamba's ever had and the most for active players still playing in the league today. Go figure.
kawhileonard2
08-15-2021, 10:22 PM
Kobe is better than Lebron also has more titles in the same era without switching teams having to win the same amount of series to do so.
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 10:46 PM
what's more embarrassing. winning with injuries and shooting less efficient during a time when refs swallowed their whistles in the finals and everyone shot less%
or choking as many times as lebron has and being known as the biggest loser in finals history as a league mvp.
kobe isn't remembered as a poor finals performer because he's 5-2.. he has legit titles and won with 2 teams that basically had nothing but an OK sidekick
kobe is remembered far more fondly as a winner than lebron and that eats you up inside you racoon faced loser lmao
Kobe is 5-2 because of Shaq, imagine LeBron playing with someone who had a top 3 peak ever. :oldlol:
Only choke LeBron has is 2011, for Kobe the choking is endless, 2004 Finals, game 7 vs Boston in 2010, choked 3-1 lead vs Suns, the countless airballs vs the Jazz.
And people forget, Kobe choked vs the same Mavs team LeBron choked against...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x9xcxOewZE
coastalmarker99
08-15-2021, 10:55 PM
:roll:
Looking at Kobe in the 2000 finals.
Game 1: Shaq had 43 while Kobe had just 14. Lakers were up just 6 going into the 4th, Kobe didn't even make a shot in the 4th while Shaq dominated and Fox added 9 to pull away for the win.
Game 2: Shaq had 40 while Kobe had just 2 before leaving with an injury in the 2nd quarter. Lakers won anyway behind 21 each from Glen Rice and Harper.
Game 3: Kobe didn't play
Game 4: In regulation Kobe (20 points on 22 shots) was dominated by Reggie Miller (33 points on 17 shots), but Shaq had 36 points including 14 in the 4th to get the Lakers to overtime.
Kobe had that great overtime with those 2 big jumpers after Shaq fouled out with 2 minutes left, but the Lakers were already up 3 when that happened and never trailed in overtime anyway.
Game 5: Kobe shot 4-20 for just 8 points and the Lakers got blown out despite 35 from Shaq.
Game 6: Shaq has 41 on 19-32 to clinch the series, while Kobe had just 26 on 8-27 shooting. Lakers were down 5 going into the 4th, Shaq went 6-6 in the 4th while Kobe was ass shooting just 1-7. Horry/Fisher/Fox came through with clutch 3s to secure the win.
Kobe was 3-15 combined in the fourth quarters of the 2000 finals and people still want to claim he is some clutch GOD.
MrFonzworth
08-15-2021, 10:57 PM
Does OP think he's a ISH journalist? What a fat loser
warriorfan
08-15-2021, 10:58 PM
I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.
I hated on Kobe pretty good until the late 2000’s when he went on that run and finished with the back 2 back. The way he carried that team was impressive to say the least. It’s pretty tough to hate on him after that.
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:01 PM
Looking at Kobe in the 2000 finals.
Game 1: Shaq had 43 while Kobe had just 14. Lakers were up just 6 going into the 4th, Kobe didn't even make a shot in the 4th while Shaq dominated and Fox added 9 to pull away for the win.
Game 2: Shaq had 40 while Kobe had just 2 before leaving with an injury in the 2nd quarter. Lakers won anyway behind 21 each from Glen Rice and Harper.
Game 3: Kobe didn't play
Game 4: In regulation Kobe (20 points on 22 shots) was dominated by Reggie Miller (33 points on 17 shots), but Shaq had 36 points including 14 in the 4th to get the Lakers to overtime.
Kobe had that great overtime with those 2 big jumpers after Shaq fouled out with 2 minutes left, but the Lakers were already up 3 when that happened and never trailed in overtime anyway.
Game 5: Kobe shot 4-20 for just 8 points and the Lakers got blown out despite 35 from Shaq.
Game 6: Shaq has 41 on 19-32 to clinch the series, while Kobe had just 26 on 8-27 shooting. Lakers were down 5 going into the 4th, Shaq went 6-6 in the 4th while Kobe was ass shooting just 1-7. Horry/Fisher/Fox came through with clutch 3s to secure the win.
Kobe was 3-15 combined in the fourth quarters of the 2000 finals and people still want to claim he is some clutch GOD.
The reality is Kobe missed much more game winning shots than he made, but people want to praise him cause he always wanted the ball in his hands, that doesn't make you clutch, it makes you delusional. Only Kobe would clank a game winning shot while being triple teamed, the numbers don't lie, LeBron in the clutch is better than Kobe.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:07 PM
Well, kong has twice the finals mvps mamba's ever had and the most for active players still playing in the league today. Go figure.
queen has 3 times the finals losses. and the average fan values kobes rings over lebrons regardless of the finals mvp count due to obvious asterisks. everybody and their dog knows about lebrons ring chasing and bail outs in fake seasons with colluded super teams. nobody respects him. even giannis the nicest guy in the world called his ass out. it's embarrassing
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:10 PM
The reality is Kobe missed much more game winning shots than he made, but people want to praise him cause he always wanted the ball in his hands, that doesn't make you clutch, it makes you delusional. Only Kobe would clank a game winning shot despite being triple teamed, the numbers don't lie, LeBron in the clutch is better than Kobe.
and kobe made more game winners than anyone's made. the average fan only sees the 40 or so game winning shots and those percentages you and your online virgin crew of misfits obsess over isn't important. nobody cares that kobe has the balls to take every game winner and misses. they care that he made a sh*t ton and gave his team victories they shouldn't have had. being shook and avoiding those situations or running from the free throw line is all people remember from lebron
when people take a shot at their waste basket woth a ball off paper they don't yell "lebron!"
GrayGoat
08-15-2021, 11:15 PM
Nobody touched MJ more than Kobe
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:16 PM
and kobe made more game winners than anyone's made. the average fan only sees the 40 or so game winning shots and those percentages you and your online virgin crew of misfits obsess over isn't important. nobody cares that kobe has the balls to take every game winner and misses. they care that he made a sh*t ton and gave his team victories they shouldn't have had. being shook and avoiding those situations or running from the free throw line is all people remember from lebron
when people take a shot at their waste basket woth a ball off paper they don't yell "lebron!"
https://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm
Embarrassing, this was Kobe's peak as well. From '04-'09 he was 14 of 56 on game winning shots, that's 25%. :roll:
LeBron, Vince, Ray, Melo, Dirk, Pierce, hell even Ben Gordon were more clutch than Kobe.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:18 PM
https://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm
Embarrassing, this was Kobe's peak as well. From '04-'09 he was 14 of 56 on game winning shots, that's 25%. :roll:
LeBron, Vince, Ray, Melo, Dirk, Pierce, hell even Ben Gordon were more clutch than Kobe.
imagine giannis getting up on the podium right after winning finals mvp and saying "I did it the efficient way. not the hero ball way. I didn't take impossible shots. I took smart shots. I shot over 50%. I'm a real winner because real winners don't play like kobe"
imagine the response lmfao
instead giannis takes a shit on lebrons career and praises kobe for the motivation..
you leturd fans got WRECKED
:roll:
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:22 PM
imagine giannis getting up on the podium right after winning finals mvp and saying "I did it the efficient way. not the hero ball way. I didn't take impossible shots. I took smart shots. I shot over 50%. I'm a real winner because real winners don't play like kobe"
imagine the response lmfao
instead giannis takes a shit on lebrons career and praises kobe for the motivation..
you leturd fans got WRECKED
:roll:
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
And being 14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
warriorfan
08-15-2021, 11:22 PM
imagine giannis getting up on the podium right after winning finals mvp and saying "I did it the efficient way. not the hero ball way. I didn't take impossible shots. I took smart shots. I shot over 50%. I'm a real winner because real winners don't play like kobe"
imagine the response lmfao
instead giannis takes a shit on lebrons career and praises kobe for the motivation..
you leturd fans got WRECKED
:roll:
Instead we got some raccoon midgets with some “well acktually!” shit while reading off a bunch of obscure stats no one gives a shit about :roll:
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:23 PM
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
And being 14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
no players or fans care. they all respect kobe. nobody respects lebron
you lose
your boy will keep getting mocked on national TV lmao.. especially after this latest stunt with westbrook
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:25 PM
Instead we got some raccoon midgets with some “well acktually!” shit while reading off a bunch of obscure stats no one gives a shit about :roll:
Your take isn't any better, you actually said Kobe carried that team despite Kobe having the best sidekick in the NBA at that time in Gasol and a terrific 3rd option in Odom.
But I understand, both Kobe & Curry missed out on FMVPs to better teammates so posters who are fans of 2nd options have to stick together.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:25 PM
Instead we got some raccoon midgets with some “well acktually!” shit while reading off a bunch of obscure stats no one gives a shit about :roll:
racoon boy is pissed. he's gonna break out his alt pretty soon
:lol
GrayGoat
08-15-2021, 11:25 PM
No one touched MJ more than Kobe
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:29 PM
Why do you pretend to be an MJ fan?
His idiotic thinking is if he can 'prove'
Jordan > LeBron
and Kobe = Jordan
then it must be Kobe > LeBron
It's a pitiful display of 3rd grader mental gymnastics but what can you expect from 3ball these days. 2016 rotted his feeble mind and 2020 put him underground for good. RIP 3braincells
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:30 PM
Instead we got some raccoon midgets with some “well acktually!” shit while reading off a bunch of obscure stats no one gives a shit about :roll:
"1/1 Alpha male" Curry fans running their mouth? :roll:
Do you need another orange blimp to feel better about yourself?
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:31 PM
no players or fans care. they all respect kobe. nobody respects lebron
you lose
your boy will keep getting mocked on national TV lmao.. especially after this latest stunt with westbrook
You sure about that?
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2015/06/26/lakers-draft-pick-called-kobe-bryant-a-rapist-on-twitter-in-2012/
The Lakers drafted Larry Nance Jr. with the 27th pick in the 2015 NBA Draft. The Wyoming product averaged 16 points per game last season, but it’s his social media history that has caught everyone’s attention.
In a since-deleted tweet from 2012, Nance wrote: “Gee I sure hope Kobe can keep his hands to himself in Denver this time.. #rapist’’
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:31 PM
Your take isn't any better, you actually said Kobe carried that team despite Kobe having the best sidekick in the NBA at that time in Gasol and a terrific 3rd option in Odom.
But I understand, both Kobe & Curry missed out on FMVPs to better teammates so fans who are fans of 2nd options have to stay together.
its all about respect at the end of the day. neither my opinion or a racoon faced fat f*ck matters. when guys speak publicly about kobe it's all love ever since his retirement. he is on Jordan's level when it comes to appreciation
giannis took a dump on your boyfriends life's work
the nicest guy in the nba took a f*ckin piss on your dreams
you mean nothing
your idol is hated and ignored for his accomplishments
his movie is dog sh*t
China won't even accept him
America won't accept him
hes a train wreck. it's like a never ending cycle. 19 years bro. he's going into his 19TH YEAR! and he's STILL DOING IT
he will never stop. he literally can't even try to repair his image after being called out on national TV. instead he goes full throttle ring chasing collude mode
:roll:
its like a comedy routine lol
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:32 PM
"1/1 Alpha male" Curry fans running their mouth? :roll:
Do you need another orange blimp to feel better about yourself?
:roll:
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:32 PM
its all about respect at the end of the day. neither my opinion or a racoon faced fat f*ck matters. when guys speak publicly about kobe it's all love ever since his retirement. he is on Jordan's level when it comes to appreciation
giannis took a dump on your boyfriends life's work
the nicest guy in the nba took a f*ckin piss on your dreams
you mean nothing
your idol is hated and ignored for his accomplishments
his movies is dog sh*t
China won't even accept him
America won't accept him
hes a train wreck. it's like a never ending cycle. 19 years bro. he's going into his 19TH YEAR! and he's STILL DOING IT
he will never stop. he literally can't even try to repair his image after being called out on national TV. instead he goes full throttle ring chasing collude mode
:roll:
its like a comedy routine lol
Respect? Kobe was getting called a rapist by teammates. :roll:
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:33 PM
Respect? Kobe was getting called a rapist by teammates. :roll:
what f*ckin year do you even think this is
:roll:
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:35 PM
Can you fu**ing believe a mouth breathing Kobe fan and Curry fan are speaking at all?
LeBron has DOUBLE their FMVPs COMBINED :roll:
Its OVER
:hammertime:
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:36 PM
what f*ckin year do you even think this is
:roll:
LBJ 4
Kobe 2
Curry 0
LeDoubled COMBINED. It's over now Ken. Goodnight bucko.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:37 PM
LBJ 4
Kobe 2
Curry0
LeDoubled COMBINED
It's over now Ken.
fans don't care bro lmao. players mock lebron and his phony rings .. its not a message board narrative like the Kobe percentages or finals mvp votes shit lmao
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:37 PM
LBJ 4
Kobe 2
Curry 0
LeDoubled COMBINED. It's over now Ken. Goodnight bucko.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif
Bron fam stay winning, nobody respects a rapist.
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:38 PM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif
Bron fam stay winning, nobody respects a rapist.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif
LeFam stays winning
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:40 PM
fans don't care bro lmao. players mock lebron and his phony rings .. its not a message board narrative like the Kobe percentages or finals mvp votes shit lmao
*places hand on Kenny's back*
It's not your fault.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:41 PM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif
Bron fam stay winning, nobody respects a rapist.
everyone in the nba past and present respects kobe. when the hell has any player called out kobes accomplishments in a post finals mvp speech
the guy literally shat on lebron and thanked kobe
:roll:
you guys can spam gifs all you want. there's legit factual proof that players don't respect lebron
every all time great says lebron took the easy path lmao
its not some ISH narrative
you guys are seething right now lol
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:45 PM
everyone in the nba past and present respects kobe. when the hell has any player called out kobes accomplishments in a post finals mvp speech
the guy literally shat on lebron and thanked kobe
:roll:
you guys can spam gifs all you want. there's legit factual proof that players don't respect lebron
every all time great says lebron took the easy path lmao
its not some ISH narrative
you guys are seething right now lol
Breathe. It's not your fault he's 12th all time.
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:46 PM
everyone in the nba past and present respects kobe. when the hell has any player called out kobes accomplishments in a post finals mvp speech
the guy literally shat on lebron and thanked kobe
:roll:
you guys can spam gifs all you want. there's legit factual proof that players don't respect lebron
every all time great says lebron took the easy path lmao
its not some ISH narrative
you guys are seething right now lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js
It's gonna be ok Kenny
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:46 PM
Breathe. It's not your fault he's 12th all time.
https://i.ibb.co/X2Wy0jV/Screenshot-20210815-234215-Gallery.jpg
imagine a kobe movie getting blocked by China
:roll:
dude had a house of mamba church stadium built over there
:roll:
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js
https://i.ibb.co/X2Wy0jV/Screenshot-20210815-234215-Gallery.jpg
seething AF
:roll:
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js
It's gonna be ok Kenny
:roll::roll:
Kenny--it's not your fault.
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:52 PM
https://i.ibb.co/X2Wy0jV/Screenshot-20210815-234215-Gallery.jpg
seething AF
:roll:
We both know you are seething, I have literally made you have meltdowns that made you self destruct into banning yourself. Just go back to that 2006 MVP Nash thread.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:52 PM
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:52 PM
:roll::roll:
Kenny--it's not your fault.
:roll:
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:54 PM
:roll:
watch this and try not to cry
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
nobody respects lering chase
:roll:
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:55 PM
watch this and try not to cry
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
nobody respects lering chase
:roll:
Read this and try not to cry...
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
Kobrick
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:56 PM
Read this and try not to cry...
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
Kobrick
if giannis brought up kobes fg% during a finals mvp post game speech I might care lmao
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:56 PM
https://i.ibb.co/X2Wy0jV/Screenshot-20210815-234215-Gallery.jpg
seething AF
:roll:
Kenny
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
1987_Lakers
08-15-2021, 11:57 PM
Kenny
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
:roll:
Im literally laughing out loud. You can just feel he's on a brink of a meltdown.
kennygriffin
08-15-2021, 11:58 PM
Kenny
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
this is actually real unlike Kenny vs elite power or racoon boy and a good will hunting gif
loooool
ELITEpower23
08-15-2021, 11:59 PM
:roll:
Im literally laughing out loud. You can just feel he's on a brink of a meltdown.
He's two LeBron gifs away from another meltdown episode and his 10th account in as many days.
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:00 AM
He's two LeBron gifs away from another meltdown episode and his 10th account in as many days.
I can post this video all night boys
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:01 AM
He's two LeBron gifs away from another meltdown episode and his 10th account in as many days.
its not my fault they keep banning me for trolling lmao
I'm just that good since everyone here is a troll. theyre just not as effective
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:02 AM
Kenneth gets raped on this forum.
Humiliated. Bukkaked.
Not sure we he puts himself through this punishment. I don't know what it's like to be wrong every single day of life. Arguing and arguing and being wrong.
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:02 AM
Kenny
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
:roll:
warriorfan
08-16-2021, 12:03 AM
https://i.ibb.co/X2Wy0jV/Screenshot-20210815-234215-Gallery.jpg
imagine a kobe movie getting blocked by China
:roll:
dude had a house of mamba church stadium built over there
:roll:
:roll:
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 12:03 AM
its not my fault they keep banning me for trolling lmao
I'm just that good since everyone here is a troll. theyre just not as effective
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
Thanks for posting another player who had a better Finals than Kobe ever did in 7 attempts. :roll:
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:04 AM
Kenneth gets raped on this forum.
Humiliated. Bukkaked.
Not sure we he puts himself through this punishment.
if I was the one getting ****ed with then you guys would be the ones getting your accounts banned
someone's obviously reporting everything I do
wonder why
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:06 AM
Thanks for posting another player who had a better Finals than Kobe ever did in 7 attempts. :roll:
oh so you like the video. well here it is again lmao
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:06 AM
Read this and try not to cry...
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
Kobrick
For real though this is why Kobe never cracked the top 10 lists out there. His finals performances compared to other greats are lack luster.
Every all time great has that all time finals game.
Jordan. Bird. Magic. Kareem. LeBron. Shaq. Duncan. Durant. Giannis.
We can't find 1 all time Kobe game.
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:07 AM
Thanks for posting another player who had a better Finals than Kobe ever did in 7 attempts. :roll:
He is just resorting to spam posting a video he can't even explain because you guys dumpstered him so hard. :lol
Mind ****ed :applause:
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 12:07 AM
For real though this is why Kobe never cracked the top 10 lists out there. His finals performances compared to other greats are lack luster.
Every all time great has that all time finals game.
Jordan. Bird. Magic. Kareem. LeBron. Shaq. Duncan. Durant. Giannis.
We can't find 1 all time Kobe game.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcclaimedGroundedAmericancrocodile-size_restricted.gif
ELITEpower23
08-16-2021, 12:08 AM
if I was the one getting ****ed with then you guys would be the ones getting your accounts banned
someone's obviously reporting everything I do
wonder why
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
As we've said, it's not your fault.
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 12:08 AM
He is just resorting to spam posting a video he can't even explain because you guys dumpstered him so hard. :lol
He's fuming, he has nothing left so he's just spamming. Once cold hard facts got brought into this thread he knew he was done.
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:08 AM
He is just resorting to spam posting a video he can't even explain because you guys dumpstered him so hard. :lol
they started it lmao. racoon boys entire career on ISH is spamming the same shit every time
I'm just better at it I guess
whoops...
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:09 AM
He's two LeBron gifs away from another meltdown episode and his 10th account in as many days.
He melted down years ago when espn came out with a list putting Kobe at 12th. He gave away his username and password and disappeared. :lol
ELITEpower23
08-16-2021, 12:09 AM
He is just resorting to spam posting a video he can't even explain because you guys dumpstered him so hard. :lol
Mind ****ed :applause:
Kenny got creampied :lol
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:10 AM
Better at what?
You having a meltdown because someone posted Kobe's finals stats. :cheers:
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:11 AM
He's fuming, he has nothing left so he's just spamming. Once cold hard facts got brought into this thread he knew he was done.
you literally just spam kobes finals percentages every time you get owned
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
and now you're spamming a goodwill hunting meme lmao
you're seething over me doing your own gimmick better
the dance gif too?
jesus. you guys are seething that I can copy and paste better
:roll:
ELITEpower23
08-16-2021, 12:12 AM
you literally just spam kobes finals percentages every time you get owned
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
and now you're spamming a goodwill hunting meme lmao
you're seething over me doing your own gimmick better
the dance gif too?
jesus. you guys are seething that I can copy and paste better
:roll:
Breathe.
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:13 AM
But but but Giannis!!! :oldlol:
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:13 AM
Kenny got creampied :lol
creepier with a dancing gif and a Robin Williams meme
all that was said before that is lebrons not respect and I gave an example then you resorted to the gifs and memes lol.. so now I'm spamming the most destructive video I've ever seen to another players legacy that can never be erased
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:lol
seething AF boys.. grab a tissue
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 12:13 AM
Breathe.
Kenny right now...
https://c.tenor.com/-vpK19xxu9cAAAAd/punch-air-ashtray.gif
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:14 AM
But but but Giannis!!! :oldlol:
said said said.. lebrons rings are easy trash loooool
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
yikes
Iverson3
08-16-2021, 12:16 AM
I hated Kobe during the entire 2000's... I despised him - I even called into a radio show to go off on him... I didn't think I could hate anyone more than him, until Lebron and his fraud came along, which enlightened me to Kobe's greatness.. Lebron made me realize how crappy ball-dominators really are - if a 6'9" ball-dominator that's build like Karl Malone can barely win, then the ball-dominant skillset is just a shit skillset compared to guys like MJ, Kobe or Bird.
I wish you and Kennethgriffin just die already. You and his terrible posting are making me sick.
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 12:17 AM
Kenny right now...
https://c.tenor.com/-vpK19xxu9cAAAAd/punch-air-ashtray.gif
oh wow. you finally posted a different gif/meme. I can quit now lol
took ya long enough. I knew you had it in ya little guy. let this be a lesson. be different. never spam. I only did it to prove a point. it's never been my style. you need new material bro
get better at this and I might come around more often. nighty night ;)
8Ball
08-16-2021, 12:18 AM
Kenny right now...
https://c.tenor.com/-vpK19xxu9cAAAAd/punch-air-ashtray.gif
Why won't anyone put Kobe in the top 10????? :lol
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 12:18 AM
you literally just spam kobes finals percentages every time you get owned
The funny thing is I wasn't even the first guy to post Kobe's finals numbers in this thread, I just quoted the guy who did with laughing emojis and that set you off. :oldlol:
3ba11
08-16-2021, 12:19 AM
I wish you and Kennethgriffin just die already. You and his terrible posting are making me sick.
^^^ i feel like that's the kind of response people post when they can't really refute what was said.. kennygriffin's posts invoke the same thing because he posts a lot of stats that make lebron look bad
Iverson3
08-16-2021, 12:20 AM
you literally just spam kobes finals percentages every time you get owned
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
and now you're spamming a goodwill hunting meme lmao
you're seething over me doing your own gimmick better
the dance gif too?
jesus. you guys are seething that I can copy and paste better
:roll:
Just die already. You useless piece of $hit.
I wish you and Kennethgriffin just die already. You and his terrible posting are making me sick.
:eek:
Iverson3
08-16-2021, 01:17 AM
^^^ i feel like that's the kind of response people post when they can't really refute what was said.. kennygriffin's posts invoke the same thing because he posts a lot of stats that make lebron look bad
No because both of you guys are stupid and crazy.
Spurs m8
08-16-2021, 01:24 AM
Jesus christ, op sounds like a little b1tch who's still in school hahahahahaha
This is like a thread a chick in school would make haahhaha
coastalmarker99
08-16-2021, 01:35 AM
There is no need to wish death on anyone that posts on this forum.
3ball and Kenny might make terrible posts half of the time but that doesn't mean that we should wish death on them as at the end of the day it is only basketball we are talking to each other about.
kennygriffin
08-16-2021, 02:09 AM
Just die already. You useless piece of $hit.
https://youtu.be/wsNHeSoABYQ
Sportal
08-16-2021, 07:14 AM
Ah 3ball... The shame. Smh.
Shogon
08-16-2021, 07:25 AM
He already slipped up on this years ago by saying that Kobe would "easily" beat MJ 1 on 1... people just choose to ignore it or weren't around for it or don't believe he said it, heh.
It's a troll account and people argue with it as if they're arguing with a 'real person.' A couple of times? Ok, sure. Continuing to entertain his bullshit after literal years? You guys are just as bad.
RogueBorg
08-16-2021, 09:19 AM
It wasn’t a troll. You exposed yourself as a Kobe stan. No MJ stan would ever even say that jokingly.
No, we wouldn't.
TheCorporation
08-16-2021, 09:38 AM
Read this and try not to cry...
Imagine LeBron having Finals numbers like this...
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
14 of 56 on game winning shots.
:roll:
Kobrick
Kenny
https://i.postimg.cc/gkdB9mFc/good-will-hunting-notyourfault.gif
Kenneth gets raped on this forum.
Humiliated. Bukkaked.
Not sure we he puts himself through this punishment. I don't know what it's like to be wrong every single day of life. Arguing and arguing and being wrong.
This one's done :lol
He already slipped up on this years ago by saying that Kobe would "easily" beat MJ 1 on 1... people just choose to ignore it or weren't around for it or don't believe he said it, heh.
It's a troll account and people argue with it as if they're arguing with a 'real person.' A couple of times? Ok, sure. Continuing to entertain his bullshit after literal years? You guys are just as bad.
:roll:
No, we wouldn't.
Yep. 3ball knows he’ll get laughed at if he tries to say his hero Kobe is GOAT so he uses MJ as a proxy to attack LBJ. But sometimes he slips up
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-16-2021, 11:42 AM
Good to see you catch on lol
Basically what Shogun said, and what Kblaze and I saw in an old 90s debate. In that thread, 3ball couldn't argue without using stats he looked up. Otherwise he was completely clueless to different situations and circumstances. Which means he wasn't watching back then either.
I don't engage with 3ball unless its to laugh at his posts. Or to mock the narrative he's trying to push that day. I mean, there's a reason he gets annihilated in every thread. Nothing that clown says comes from an honest perspective because he really isn't a Jordan fan.
Kobe was great and EASILY one of the most skilled players in history. Be his fan and own it. But quit bringing up Mike and using him to curb your obsessive Lebron hate. Its past the point of being pathetic.
Good to see you catch on lol
Basically what Shogun said, and what Kblaze and I saw in an old 90s debate. In that thread, 3ball couldn't argue without using stats he looked up. Otherwise he was completely clueless to different situations and circumstances. Which means he wasn't watching back then either.
I don't engage with 3ball unless its to laugh at his posts. Or to mock the narrative he's trying to push that day. I mean, there's a reason he gets annihilated in every thread. Nothing that clown says comes from an honest perspective because he really isn't a Jordan fan.
Kobe was great and EASILY one of the most skilled players in history. Be his fan and own it. But quit bringing up Mike and using him to curb your obsessive Lebron hate. Its past the point of being pathetic.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
LeBron surpassing Kobe legit broke his brain so bad he had to pretend to be an MJ fan to cope :yaohappy:
SaintzFury13
08-16-2021, 12:45 PM
queen has 3 times the finals losses. and the average fan values kobes rings over lebrons regardless of the finals mvp count due to obvious asterisks. everybody and their dog knows about lebrons ring chasing and bail outs in fake seasons with colluded super teams. nobody respects him. even giannis the nicest guy in the world called his ass out. it's embarrassing
No sane person values Kobe's rings over LeBron's.
Manny98
08-16-2021, 01:43 PM
He already slipped up on this years ago by saying that Kobe would "easily" beat MJ 1 on 1... people just choose to ignore it or weren't around for it or don't believe he said it, heh.
It's a troll account and people argue with it as if they're arguing with a 'real person.' A couple of times? Ok, sure. Continuing to entertain his bullshit after literal years? You guys are just as bad.
yes i find it funny how his threads always end up being 10+ pages long and it's the same people that are complaining about him the most are the ones that are always responding to his thread
it's if they don't realize if you stopped giving him attention and entertaining his blatant troll threads that he would eventually get bored and stop spamming nonsense
hold this L
08-16-2021, 02:09 PM
2ball somehow becomes even more p a t h e t i c :lol
Kblaze8855
08-16-2021, 02:40 PM
. Why is it that Bird's defenders never can explain his underwhelming performances in the playoffs despite being playing on stacked teams for most of his career
I think you may be mistaking “not explaining” with not valuing the takes of Bird haters enough to have an argument.
None of these things need explaining about anyone. Short of Russell there are lists of shit to complain about with anyone. Haters harp on shit that doesnt matter(the inevitability of defeat and off games) and want them explained as if the explanation needs to be anything more than “Perfection is not attainable”.
Wilt aside there wasn’t a single great player people tried to define by their worst moments till we got to this hot take era where all anyone wants to do is compare a list of worst moments instead of evaluating basketball.
So we have 1-9, 4/10, such and such lost in the first round ____ times instead of focusing on what made these people so great to begin with.
If you think ______ is better than Bird you can probably do better than making more of the down parts of his career. Let others being better be about aspects of their game and perhaps the argument is less ignored.
The kinda people who remember and love Bird are from before that was a valid argument.
You’re asking 60, 70s, and 80s babies to have a 2020s argument and we don’t care. That’s the social media style argument not what basketball fans used to have.
FKAri
08-16-2021, 02:57 PM
An actual Jordan fan wouldn't be insecure enough to post as much as he does. Though with the right level of mental dysfunction, anything is possible.
ArbitraryWater
08-16-2021, 03:02 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
lmao
SouBeachTalents
08-16-2021, 03:06 PM
Here are Kobe's finals stats
2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
You need to make an elimination game one next, the performances are even worse and his team got completely obliterated several times
8Ball
08-16-2021, 03:17 PM
Good to see you catch on lol
Basically what Shogun said, and what Kblaze and I saw in an old 90s debate. In that thread, 3ball couldn't argue without using stats he looked up. Otherwise he was completely clueless to different situations and circumstances. Which means he wasn't watching back then either.
I don't engage with 3ball unless its to laugh at his posts. Or to mock the narrative he's trying to push that day. I mean, there's a reason he gets annihilated in every thread. Nothing that clown says comes from an honest perspective because he really isn't a Jordan fan.
Kobe was great and EASILY one of the most skilled players in history. Be his fan and own it. But quit bringing up Mike and using him to curb your obsessive Lebron hate. Its past the point of being pathetic.
Wait until you see me posts some of his posts on another forum before he became a full on troll. I have screenshots and boy are they delicious.
You might be surprised who he claimed was the best player ever. :pimp:
RogueBorg
08-16-2021, 03:39 PM
https://youtu.be/D4y1WSdebZI
:roll:
"I could go to a superteam and win a championship, it's easy."
Giannis took a huge dump down KD's and LBJ's throats.
RogueBorg
08-16-2021, 03:44 PM
Yep. 3ball knows he’ll get laughed at if he tries to say his hero Kobe is GOAT so he uses MJ as a proxy to attack LBJ. But sometimes he slips up
You know, I used to respect about 90% of 3ball's takes, I never got into the whole Pippen is a bum argument, I think he's extremely over-rated but not a bum. I used to think his arguments for the most part were very well thought out and articulated. But to find out he's really a Kobe fan using Jordan to prop up Kobe is embarrassing and sad.
You know, I used to respect about 90% of 3ball's takes, I never got into the whole Pippen is a bum argument, I think he's extremely over-rated but not a bum. I used to think his arguments for the most part were very well thought out and articulated. But to find out he's really a Kobe fan using Jordan to prop up Kobe is embarrassing and sad.
It makes sense in retrospect. He gets nervous about players no MJ fan would get worried about (he made an insecure thread about WB years ago). Now that I know he’s nervous about them passing Kobe instead of MJ it fits a lot better. Obviously WB didn’t pass Kobe lol but he was apparently worried when WB was getting a lot of love in his peak season.
Spurs m8
08-16-2021, 04:32 PM
It makes sense in retrospect. He gets nervous about players no MJ fan would get worried about (he made an insecure thread about WB years ago). Now that I know he’s nervous about them passing Kobe instead of MJ it fits a lot better. Obviously WB didn’t pass Kobe lol but he was apparently worried when WB was getting a lot of love in his peak season.
You sound like such a b1tch
You're also the only one that makes b1tch threads.
You'd be better suited to a gossip girl type forum
taabhimself
08-16-2021, 06:36 PM
ya'll fanboys are seriously weird. like, more than one or two guys can be incredible, all-time hoopers. you don't have to drag one guy to big up your guy. i guess you do though, when you are sooo obsessed with your guy being number one. it's super weird behavior.
SaintzFury13
08-16-2021, 07:34 PM
"I could go to a superteam and win a championship, it's easy."
Giannis took a huge dump down KD's and LBJ's throats.
LeBron didn't go to a super team though. He formed one and in the end still faced teams that were arguably superior to his. The comparison here simply doesn't make sense. If Giannis went to the finals and beat a team that was clearly superior to his in every way then he'd have a point. But he faced a Phoenix Suns team who were a lot smaller and no one on the team could guard him.
LeBron didn't go to a super team though. He formed one and in the end still faced teams that were arguably superior to his. The comparison here simply doesn't make sense. If Giannis went to the finals and beat a team that was clearly superior to his in every way then he'd have a point. But he faced a Phoenix Suns team who were a lot smaller and no one on the team could guard him.
Lol the formation wouldn't have happened in the first place if winning rings weren't their priority.
Lebron23
08-16-2021, 07:40 PM
Wait until you see me posts some of his posts on another forum before he became a full on troll. I have screenshots and boy are they delicious.
You might be surprised who he claimed was the best player ever. :pimp: All of the teams that were defeated by team Lebron were better than the 2021 Phoenix Suns. 2012 OKC Thunder, 2013 Spurs 2016 Warriors and 2020 Heat were better than the Suns.
Lebron23
08-16-2021, 07:41 PM
LeBron didn't go to a super team though. He formed one and in the end still faced teams that were arguably superior to his. The comparison here simply doesn't make sense. If Giannis went to the finals and beat a team that was clearly superior to his in every way then he'd have a point. But he faced a Phoenix Suns team who were a lot smaller and no one on the team could guard him.
This guy is a good poster.
SaintzFury13
08-16-2021, 08:05 PM
Lol the formation wouldn't have happened in the first place if winning rings weren't their priority.
What does that have to do with the point I'm making?
SaintzFury13
08-16-2021, 08:06 PM
All of the teams that were defeated by team Lebron were better than the 2021 Phoenix Suns. 2012 OKC Thunder, 2013 Spurs 2016 Warriors and 2020 Heat were better than the Suns.
To be fair, you could argue that Bucks team was better than some of the teams LeBron beat in the finals. I don't know if I'd put them above Spurs and Warriors, but they were absolutely better than 2020 Heat and 2012 Thunder.
RogueBorg
08-16-2021, 08:55 PM
LeBron didn't go to a super team though. He formed one and in the end still faced teams that were arguably superior to his.
Spurs superior to the Heat? No way. The Spurs never won back-to-back rings. On the other hand the Heat did. To be considered a dynasty, there has to be a back-to-back in there somewhere.
1987_Lakers
08-16-2021, 09:06 PM
Spurs superior to the Heat? No way. The Spurs never won back-to-back rings. On the other hand the Heat did. To be considered a dynasty, there has to be a back-to-back in there somewhere.
You obviously didn't watch that Spurs team, they were a well oiled machine. I remember in 2014 thinking to myself that 10-20 years from now people are just going to look at the individual stats on that team and wonder how they made it to back to back Finals and assume they were weak champions, but their ball-movement and chemistry was on par with the greatest ever. People who actually watched them play will know how good they were.
LeBron after the 2014 Finals said they were the best team he ever played against, but that was before he was competing against that dominant Golden State team. You don't have to repeat to be a great team, the 80's Celtics never repeated, '72 Lakers were all-time great. Hell, the '67 Sixers were voted as the greatest team ever by a panel in 1980.
What does that have to do with the point I'm making?
You don't know the purpose of these super teams? Good lord. :oldlol:
TheCorporation
08-16-2021, 10:40 PM
Spurs superior to the Heat? No way. The Spurs never won back-to-back rings. On the other hand the Heat did. To be considered a dynasty, there has to be a back-to-back in there somewhere.
So you're saying b2b is better than winning four in 9 years or five in 16 years? :lol
I'll fill you in on a little secret. Five in 16 years with the same anchor (Duncan) is MUCH harder than back to back.
Bird's Celtics never won 4 in 9 years. Neither did Shaq's Lakers.
coastalmarker99
08-16-2021, 11:06 PM
Kobe over a span of 6 game sevens in his career averaged
44.2 MPG
22.2 points
FG 38.9%
FT 67.3%
8 RPG
5 APG
1 SPG
1.3 BPG
Now In elimination games
Kobe averaged
22.3 PPG
5.8 RPG
3.5 APG
1.3 SPG
1.3 BPG
on a 50.3 TS
and his teams went 9-10 in those games.
Kobe over a span of 6 game sevens in his career averaged
44.2 MPG
22.2 points
FG 38.9%
FT 67.3%
8 RPG
5 APG
1 SPG
1.3 BPG
Now In elimination games
Kobe averaged
22.3 PPG
5.8 RPG
3.5 APG
1.3 SPG
1.3 BPG
on a 50.3 TS
and his teams went 9-10 in those games.
Dreadful. LeBron would never.
TheCorporation
09-12-2021, 09:41 PM
https://i.ibb.co/SQfBMCs/3839-F95-D-A44-B-495-C-9-DB0-BE98-D87-A3-A98.jpg
Kuniva was right. 3ball the Kobe stan knows he can’t argue Kobe over LeBron in good faith so he uses MJ instead to try and discredit LeBron. Unfortunately the mask slipped and he’s been exposed.
https://i.postimg.cc/85QGMVWq/12be-Does-Not-Belong.png
8Ball
09-12-2021, 09:57 PM
This is why I will never have Jordan as goat.
Only 5 rebounds and 5 assists for career.
Players like Bron and Luka simply have more responsibilities on the court.
Iverson3
03-12-2022, 05:49 PM
If one were to take a long deep look at Bird's long list of playoff failures they would see why he is not ranked top 5 of all time by both fans and the media nowdays
1980- Averaged a .51;1 TS% in the postseason. In-game 5 vs. the Sixers, he shot poorly, 5-19 with just 12 points, as the Celtics lost the game.
His man (Dr. J) averaged 25 PPG in this series. His team loses in 5 games despite having HCA and winning 61 games. Had an 18.3 PER in the postseason
1981- Has a .53;2 TS% in the postseason. He had a bad finals where he averaged just 15 PPG on .41;9 shooting and .46;0 TS%.
1982- PPG average dropped from 22.9 PPG to 17.8 PPG. He has an embarrassing .47;4 TS% in the playoffs.
He averaged a pedestrian 18.3 PPG against the Sixers. Averages 17 PPG in the final 2 games of the series. The Celtics lose again with HCA. The Celtics won 63 games and had the #1 SRS in the league. Has a 17.9 PER in the postseason.
1983- The Celtics get swept by the Bucks. The Celtics win 56 games and had the #2 SRS in the league and lose again with HCA. Bird plays awful again. .47;8 TS%.
His PPG average drops 2 PPG in the playoffs. Bird missed a game in the series but that game happened to be the closest one (Celtics lose by 4). In the 3 other games, the Celtics lose by 14.3 PPG with Bird on the court.
1984- Great playoffs. Averaged 27-14-4 in the Finals and had a .60;7 TS% in the playoffs. First great playoffs of his career. The Celtics win the title over the Lakers in a massive upset.
1985- Celtics make the finals, but Bird's numbers drop in the playoffs. His PPG drops by 2.8 PPG, Reb by 1.2 Reb, and AST by 0.7 AST. Had an average .53.6 TS% in the postseason. Bird plays even worse in the finals.
His PPG dropped 4.9 PPG, his Reb 1.7 Reb, and AST by 1.6 AST in the finals compared to his regular-season average.
His Finals TS% is just .52.7.
Not only that, but the Celtics finish with 63 wins and lose once again with HCA a constant theme in Bird's career. This is the first time in Celtics history they lost in the finals with HCA.
1986- Great year. His best year ever. Wins the title. .61.5 TS% in the postseason and amazing finals.
1987- I think this is his most admirable playoffs up until the finals. The Celtics were quite banged up this year. Averaged 27-10-7 in the postseason with .57.7 TS%. Though his numbers in the finals dropped off once again.
His PPG was 3.9 PPG down from the regular season, AST down by 2.1 AST and his TS% was just .534. In-game 6, Bird scored just 16 points on 6-16 (.37.5) shooting.
In the final 3 games of this series, Bird averaged just 20 PPG on .37.7 shooting and .49.2 TS% with 3.7 TOV. This is the first time Bird has played without HCA in the playoffs and his team loses.
1988- Bird's PPG drops by 5.4 PPG, Reb by 0.5 Reb. Bird shoots an awful 40-114 (.351) against the Pistons. Has a mediocre .53.8 TS% and 20.2 PER in the playoffs. The Celtics had HCA and the #1 SRS in the league and you probably guessed what happened next, Larry Bird loses with HCA once again.
1989- Injured doesn't play in the postseason.
1990- Bird shoots .53.9 TS% and has 3.6 TOV as the Celtics once again you guessed it, lose with HCA.
1991- In the first round, his team needs to go 5 vs. the 41 win Pacers. His PPG drop by 2.3 PPG and his Rebounds and Assists also drop quite a bit. Has a .49.0 TS% 15.8 PER in the playoffs. Against the Pistons Bird averages 13.4 PPG on .44.6 TS%. His 56 win team played with you guessed it HCA and loses with it.
1992- Doesn't play in the first round as the Celtics sweep the Pacers. In round 2, his team goes 7 against the Cavs, but Bird plays in 4 games and his team was 1-3 in those games.
Averages a pathetic 11.3 PPG and 4.5 Reb which are 8.4 PPG and 5.2 Reb down from his regular-season average. He has a .51.4 TS% and 16.4 PER in the postseason.
So out of 12 years, you get 9 years under 54.0 TS%, 5 under. 52.0 TS%, and 3 under. 50.0 TS%.
From 80-83, he had a 19.9 playoff PER. In that span, Johnny Moore, Franklin Edwards, Gus Williams, and Bob Lanier all had better playoff PER and WS/48. Teammates Parish, McHale, Tiny Archibald, and Cedric Maxwell had better TS% in that span.
From 88-92, he had an 18.8 PER which is 25th among players with 10 playoff games played.
Players who had better playoff PER's in that span include Fat Lever, Terry Cummings, Roy Tarpley, Cedric Ceballos, and Sarunas Marciulionis. His teammates Reggie Lewis and Kevin McHale had better playoff PER's in that span.
With Bird, you get a nice 4-year run that had 4 straight finals appearances but outside of that, you get a 4-year span of .50.5 TS% (80-83) and a .52.5 TS% span (88-92).
In 12 years, you get 7 losses with HCA. Basically, out of Bird's 13-year career, you have 1 injury season and 3 non-descript postseasons at the end of his plus some playoff disappointments early in his career.
Bird played in an NBA that shot about .48.5 in his career.
Yet, in the post-season, he only shot .47.2. Which is bad enough, but, wait...it gets worse. He shot a career .45.5 in his five finals. In fact, he shot under .39.9 in his 31 Finals games as often as he shot over .49.9...eleven times (including two games of under .29.9!) His high Finals series was only .48.8, and his low was .41.9.
And how did the great "Game Seven" Bird fare in his lone game seven finals game? 6-18...or 33%.
Furthermore, in his five Finals, he was only the best player in two of them, and in fact, lost out to a teammate in the '81 Finals for the FMVP (Cedric Maxwell.) In fact, Bird wasn't even the second-best player on the floor in two more ('85 and '87 Finals.)
Interesting. That's probably the reason Bird is not a top 5 player of all time.
TheMan
09-09-2022, 12:18 AM
Obviously, saying Kobe is #1 ahead of Jordan was a troll, but Kobe is infact #2
No center or ball-dominator (inferior skillsets that need more help to win) can be ranked ahead of MJ or Kobe.. or Bird... And once Giannis, Kawhi and KD get ring #3, then we can throw them in there at 4-6 spots in the all-time rankings
I love Kobe as much as the next guy but he wasn't ever on MJ's level.
TheMan
09-09-2022, 12:19 AM
This is why I will never have Jordan as goat.
Only 5 rebounds and 5 assists for career.
Players like Bron and Luka simply have more responsibilities on the court.
:roll:
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