Biden's Afghanistan deflection speech coming up [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

rawimpact

08-16-2021, 03:40 PM

How many more troops going to afghanistan?

sent 5000 already (source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/14/biden-us-sending-5-000-troops-afghanistan-assist-drawdown/8138113002/)

which is twice the amount that was there earlier this year when trump was sitting president and afghanistan was under control

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 03:50 PM

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DoctorP

08-16-2021, 04:01 PM

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Patrick Chewing

08-16-2021, 04:17 PM

Blamed Trump immediately. Never fails.

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 04:21 PM

"When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban. Under his agreement, US Forces would be out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, just a little over three months after I took office. US forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in country. And the Taliban was at its strongest militarily since 2001. The choice I had to make as your President was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season. It would've been no ceasefire after May 1. There was no agreement protecting our forces after May 1. There was no status quo of stability without American casualties after May 1,"

Biden said during his remarks from The White House.

Patrick Chewing

08-16-2021, 04:23 PM

And he's talking about the decision not to keep troops in Afghanistan, but of course is not talking about having a cohesive plan that would have prevented the Taliban from taking over the country. Something he said WOULD NOT happen once the troops were removed.

rawimpact

08-16-2021, 04:24 PM

https://i.dawn.com/primary/2020/10/5f7f8869c725d.jpg
https://www.dawn.com/news/1584022

There were 2500 troops in 01/2021

In fact, the peak of troops in Afghanistan happened when he was VP...

What he said doesnt even make sense...

01/15/2021 - Pentagon says 2500 troops in Afghanistan Source: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-taliban-united-states-16cc1dd5b2f74d463311d212ad0d215a source 2: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-military/u-s-troops-in-afghanistan-now-down-to-2500-lowest-since-2001-pentagon-idUSKBN29K229

theman93

08-16-2021, 04:25 PM

"When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban. Under his agreement, US Forces would be out of Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, just a little over three months after I took office. US forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in country. And the Taliban was at its strongest militarily since 2001. The choice I had to make as your President was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season. It would've been no ceasefire after May 1. There was no agreement protecting our forces after May 1. There was no status quo of stability without American casualties after May 1," Biden said during his remarks from The White House.

Did he mention anything about our civilians and foreign allies still stuck there?

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 04:27 PM

"We were clear-eyed about the risks," he said. "We planned for every contingency. But, I always promised the American people that I will be straight with you. The truth is, this did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated."

The President went on to outline what he believes were the events that led to the Taliban's swift takeover in the country.

"So what's happened? Afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military collapsed, some without trying to fight. If anything, the developments of the past week reinforced that ending US military involvement in Afghanistan, now, was the right decision," Biden said. "American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves."

rawimpact

08-16-2021, 04:29 PM

RRR3

08-16-2021, 04:30 PM

Look at all these right wingers angry Biden ended a war lmao.

theman93

08-16-2021, 04:30 PM

Look at all these right wingers angry Biden ended a war lmao.

No one's angry he ended a war moron. Quit attacking a straw man.

Hey Yo

08-16-2021, 04:31 PM

Did he mention anything about our civilians and foreign allies still stuck there?

Nope

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 04:31 PM

Did he mention anything about our civilians and foreign allies still stuck there?

here's a link

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

you can scrub it backwards and see the speech

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 04:38 PM

Dbrog

08-16-2021, 05:46 PM

I think Biden's remarks were clear. US is not in the country-building game and is exclusively focused on counter-terrorism.

The end.

Case closed.

Al-Qaeda was defeated.

As a citizen I'm fine with this.

We just lost our stance in Pakistan too. The idea that we can just "focus on counter-terrorism" worked really well for 911 right? Especially now that we armed those same attackers with drones and fighting helicopters..and they are also now working with China to potentially build them a transportation infrastructure. It's not about being a "country builder," it's about supplying security so things stay peaceful in a ****ed up rathole of a country. Enjoy more beheading videos and calculated terrorist attacks on America. We have on tape this Taliban stating it is a "different Taliban" because they aren't "young like they were before. They have gained experience," and them also chanting "death to America" as they take our former camps.

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 05:48 PM

We just lost our stance in Pakistan too. The idea that we can just "focus on counter-terrorism" worked really well for 911 right? Especially now that we armed those same attackers with drones and fighting helicopters..and they are also now working with China to potentially build them a transportation infrastructure. It's not about being a "country builder," it's about supplying security so things stay peaceful in a ****ed up rathole of a country. Enjoy more beheading videos and calculated terrorist attacks on America. We have on tape this Taliban stating it is a "different Taliban" because they aren't "young like they were before. They have gained experience," and them also chanting "death to America" as they take our former camps.

Good point. How much gear was left behind? Have any data on this you can share?

China is trying to recognize the Taliban as the Afghani government, and has made some deals.

Dbrog

08-16-2021, 05:50 PM

Good point. How much gear was left behind? Have any data on this you can share?

China is trying to recognize the Taliban as the Afghani government, and has made some deals.

Literally google "gear left in afghanistan"

I don't think they have any actual stats yet as this just happened in the last 48 hours. Even then, I'm not sure our government would make that data public

Btw...also remember that equipment was bought with OUR taxpaying money. That should piss you off...it pisses me off

jstern

08-16-2021, 05:51 PM

Did he say anything about the military bases and weapons that he left for the Taliban? Or how many troops is he going to send to contain this mess?

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 05:52 PM

Literally google "gear left in afghanistan"

I don't think they have any actual stats yet as this just happened in the last 48 hours. Even then, I'm not sure our government would make that data public

Btw...also remember that equipment was bought with OUR taxpaying money. That should piss you off...it pisses me off

What a bunch of bums. Totally irresponsible and should be punished.

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 05:59 PM

It would be genius if they left the gear there with GPS just so they can continue to have surveillance and track it's movement.

Genius plant.

bladefd

08-16-2021, 06:59 PM

It would be genius if they left the gear there with GPS just so they can continue to have surveillance and track it's movement.

Genius plant.

Blow it up with airstrikes. We know where those bases are - blow them all up from the air.

Track down the humvees, blow them all up. Not like there is an Afghan army anymore to be using those humvees.

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 07:25 PM

Blow it up with airstrikes. We know where those bases are - blow them all up from the air.

Track down the humvees, blow them all up. Not like there is an Afghan army anymore to be using those humvees.

That's one way to go, they could also wait until they are collected and taken to any secret bases or to even Chinese bases and see where they end up.

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theman93

08-16-2021, 07:25 PM

Good point. How much gear was left behind? Have any data on this you can share?

China is trying to recognize the Taliban as the Afghani government, and has made some deals.

$800 billion - from one air base (our largest).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dollar800b-scrapyard-bagram-air-base-pillaged-after-us-troops-abandon-it/ss-AALQgFr#image=22

DoctorP

08-16-2021, 07:26 PM

$800 billion - from one air base (our largest).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dollar800b-scrapyard-bagram-air-base-pillaged-after-us-troops-abandon-it/ss-AALQgFr#image=22

interesting. id love to see the itemized list of what they left. could be scraps of cars but still, they could be useful for the new taliban regime.

Axe

08-16-2021, 07:31 PM

Another cringe biden thread made by op :ohwell:

warriorfan

08-16-2021, 09:51 PM

Blow it up with airstrikes. We know where those bases are - blow them all up from the air.

Track down the humvees, blow them all up. Not like there is an Afghan army anymore to be using those humvees.

Why? If Afghanistan isn’t worth saving/fighting for….why are we going to spend more money on it?

Stephonit

08-17-2021, 10:45 AM

The money spent to buy the gear went to—wait for it—American companies. Afghanistan is just being used as a third world dumping ground like for the other garbage developed nations throw away.

The United States isn't going to bomb the Taliban unless the Taliban start becoming troublemakers again providing refuge to terrorists targeting the U.S. Remember the U.S. supplied the Taliban with weapons when the Soviets were there. Leaving them with weapons now is nothing new. The U.S. might even end up recognizing the Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government.

rawimpact

08-17-2021, 10:51 AM

$800 billion - from one air base (our largest).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dollar800b-scrapyard-bagram-air-base-pillaged-after-us-troops-abandon-it/ss-AALQgFr#image=22

This is on Biden...

The whole thing should have been turned into rubble.

Announce it to everyone in afghanistan that XXX day at XXX time a bomb will be set off at XXX. Any casualties are on their own doing.

theman93

08-17-2021, 11:09 AM

This is on Biden...

The whole thing should have been turned into rubble.

Announce it to everyone in afghanistan that XXX day at XXX time a bomb will be set off at XXX. Any casualties are on their own doing.

Yeah, our military isn't this incompetent. I don't see how this wasn't done on purpose.

Stephonit

08-17-2021, 11:14 AM

Yeah, our military isn't this incompetent. I don't see how this wasn't done on purpose.

The former Afghan government supposedly asked the U.S. not to start large evacuations since it would undermine morale within the country. With hindsight it seems it probably wouldn't have made a difference but at the time it probably made sense. If the U.S. looked slow in pulling out it was because of those considerations.

rawimpact

08-17-2021, 11:20 AM

The former Afghan government supposedly asked the U.S. not to start large evacuations since it would undermine morale within the country. With hindsight it seems it probably wouldn't have made a difference but at the time it probably made sense. If the U.S. looked slow in pulling out it was because of those considerations.

we literally had 2500 individuals there in january. I mean that's less than some high schools... and not to mention full control before Bidens administration took over.

Now we've got twice as many individuals there with little to no control. Pretty much has turned into a rescue mission....

I think we're all on the same page in regards to leaving the middle east entirely. But things should have happened before that point such as plans to destroy military weapons...

theman93

08-17-2021, 11:43 AM

we literally had 2500 individuals there in january. I mean that's less than some high schools... and not to mention full control before Bidens administration took over.

Now we've got twice as many individuals there with little to no control. Pretty much has turned into a rescue mission....

I think we're all on the same page in regards to leaving the middle east entirely. But things should have happened before that point such as plans to destroy military weapons...

Apparently there are 86,000 people we've identified to the government that are left behind even though we had the personnel and equipment in place to rescue them months ago. No idea who that 86,000 entail though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Uekd6e9aw&ab_channel=IndianShareTips

bladefd

08-17-2021, 01:56 PM

we literally had 2500 individuals there in january. I mean that's less than some high schools... and not to mention full control before Bidens administration took over.

Now we've got twice as many individuals there with little to no control. Pretty much has turned into a rescue mission....

I think we're all on the same page in regards to leaving the middle east entirely. But things should have happened before that point such as plans to destroy military weapons...

That was while the Afghanistan army still was intact. I already told you the taliban began their push a month ago. The afghan army began to collapse right away. We sent in the 6k extra soldiers after the afghan army was no more and Taliban began entering Kabul. 2,500 American soldiers were not holding down all of Afghanistan lol. The afghan army was over 300k soldiers and providing the bulk of the manpower until a month ago.

I already explained to you and you keep making the same point. You might just be a moron.

Rocket

08-17-2021, 03:56 PM

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Patrick Chewing

08-17-2021, 04:02 PM

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Shook hands and worked out a deal with that lunatic in North Korea who was firing test nukes.

Eliminated ISIS.

Eliminated Soleimani who was responsible for US deaths.

He basically dealt with the worst actors on the world stage and held them in check or eliminated them.

ZenMaster

08-17-2021, 04:40 PM

https://preview.redd.it/3r6au6rr25f71.jpg?auto=webp&e179a7cf

Have to give it to them, they're fairly creative in their media department.

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JohnnySic

08-17-2021, 06:09 PM

No point in ever listening to a Biden speech. He gets asked scripted softball questions and reads (or tries to read) his respnses off a teleprompter.

bladefd

08-17-2021, 06:29 PM

Shook hands and worked out a deal with that lunatic in North Korea who was firing test nukes.

Eliminated ISIS.

Eliminated Soleimani who was responsible for US deaths.

He basically dealt with the worst actors on the world stage and held them in check or eliminated them.

He lost the election. Don't forget it.

You keep re-litigating the election results over and over in completely unrelated issues. You can't handle the truth that your guy lost, and every post you make links to that one fact you can't handle.

theman93

08-17-2021, 07:14 PM

That was while the Afghanistan army still was intact. I already told you the taliban began their push a month ago. The afghan army began to collapse right away. We sent in the 6k extra soldiers after the afghan army was no more and Taliban began entering Kabul. 2,500 American soldiers were not holding down all of Afghanistan lol. The afghan army was over 300k soldiers and providing the bulk of the manpower until a month ago.

I already explained to you and you keep making the same point. You might just be a moron.

You said the US had no deal with the Taliban and were factually wrong, then said oh yeah there was a deal but it was never ratified because Trump called it off, and were factually wrong again....and you have the audacity to call someone else a moron? :roll: :roll:

bladefd

08-17-2021, 07:50 PM

Gee, I wonder why the Republicans are erasing any mention of the US-Taliban deal from last year??

A web page on the site of the Republican National Committee detailing former President Donald Trump’s work on issues related to terrorism and the Middle East disappeared over the weekend as Taliban militants took control of Kabul and toppled Afghanistan’s government.

The page, which returned a 404 error as of Monday but could still be seen on archive sites, dealt with a number of issues including the Trump administration’s negotiations with the Taliban as well as the normalisation of relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.

“President Trump has continued to take the lead in peace talks as he signed a historic peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan, which would end America’s longest running war,” read the web page before it was taken down.

RNC officials did not respond to an emailed request for comment on the deletion.

Other parts of the webpage detailing the deal struck between the Trump administration and the Taliban highlighted parts that set up a ceasefire between the now-defunct Afghan National Army and the Taliban, while allowing the US to undertake counter-terrorism activities in Taliban-controlled areas. The webpage’s text gave no indication that the Trump administration expected or even saw a takeover of Afghanistan’s government as likely.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rnc-trump-kabul-taliban-deal-b1903364.html

Lakers Legend#32

08-17-2021, 09:06 PM

Give Biden credit for never erroneously saying:
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."

bobopenguin

08-17-2021, 09:57 PM

another speech coming up today, but he's gonna talk about covid.

i am now question the IQ of ppl who voted for him.

theman93

08-17-2021, 11:59 PM

Gee, I wonder why the Republicans are erasing any mention of the US-Taliban deal from last year??

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rnc-trump-kabul-taliban-deal-b1903364.html
“The text gave no indication”??

Talk about a nothing-burger from what your google search yielded :roll:

Take the L and move on. You talk out of your rear end.