Looking at all-time greats averages in game sevens and elimination games

[coastalmarker99]

Here are Wilt's game seven averages

4- 5 W-L record


24.4 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)

26.7 rpg(Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)

4.1 APG(Regular season career average was 4.4 APG)

62.6 FG%,(Regular season career average was .54.0 FG%)

45.1 FT%(Regular season career average was .51.1 FT%)

57.9 TS%.Regular season career average was 54.9 TS%)



Here are Wilt's numbers in 23 of his elimination games in the postseason...13 of which came against HOF starting centers.



12-11 W-L record

31.1 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)

26.1 rpg (Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)

3.4 APG (Regular season career average was 4.4 APG)

54.0 FG% (Regular season career average was .54.0 FG%)

BTW, that .54.0 came against post-season NBA's that averaged an FG% of .43.5... or over 10% higher than the post-season league average!

3 games of 50+ points

5 games of 40+ points (including a Finals 40+ elimination game)

13 games of 30+ points

6 games of 30+ rebounds

20 games of 20+ rebounds

BTW, that 31.1 ppg ranks just behind MJ (31.3 ppg) all-time



Here are Russell's game seven averages

10-0 W-L record


18.6 ppg (Regular season career average was 15.1 ppg)

29.3 rpg(Regular season career average was 22.5 rpg)

3.7 APG(Regular season career average was 4.3 APG)

44.7 FG%,(Regular season career average was 44.0 FG%)

69.4 FT%(Regular season career average was .56.1 FT%)



Here are Russell's elimination game averages

17-2 W-L record

14.9 PPG(Regular season career average was 15.1 ppg)

26.6 RPG(Regular season career average was 22.5 rpg)

4.8 APG(Regular season career average was 4.3 APG)

49.4 TS%(Regular season career average was 47.1 TS%)




Here are Jerry West's game seven averages

4- 5 W-L record

30.9 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)

7.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.8 rpg)

6.8 APG (Regular season career average is 6.7 APG)

47.9 FG% (Regular season career average is 47.4 FG%)

TS% 54.3 Regular season career average is 54.9 TS%)


Here are Jerry West's elimination games averages

13 11 W-L record

29.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)

6.4 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.8 rpg)

6.4 APG (Regular season career average is 6.7 APG)

55% TS (Regular season career average is 54.9 TS%)




Here are Tim Duncan game seven averages

4 2 W-L record

24.7 PPG (Regular season career average is 19.0 ppg)

11.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.8 rpg)

2.7 APG (Regular season career average is 3.0 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.2 BPG)

FG% 48.2% Regular season career average is 50.6%)




Here are Tim Duncan's elimination game averages

7 13 W-L record

22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 19.0 ppg)

11.6 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.8 rpg)

2.8 APG (Regular season career average is 3.0 APG)

1.8 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.2 BPG)

FG% 48.2% Regular season career average is 50.6%)


Here are Kobe's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.

Game sevens

22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)


Elimination games
9 10 W-L record

22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)



Here are Hakeem's averages in game sevens

27.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 21.8 ppg)

13.6 RPG (Regular season career average is 11.1 rpg)

5.2 APG (Regular season career average is 2.5 APG)

2.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.2 BPG)

1.4 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.7 SPG)

FG% 49.6% (Regular season career average is 51.2%)


Here are Hakeem's averages in elimination games.

19 13 W-L record

24.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 21.8 ppg)

11.5 RPG (Regular season career average is 11.1 rpg)

3.1 APG (Regular season career average is 2.5 APG)

2.9 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.2 BPG)

3.2 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.7 SPG)

FG% 53.1% (Regular season career average is 51.2%)


Here are Bird's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.

Game sevens

27.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 24.3 ppg)

9.3 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.0 rpg)

6.8 APG (Regular season career average is 6.3 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.4 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.7 SPG)

FG% 49.7% (Regular season career average is 49.6%)


Elimination games.

9 7 W-L record

24.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 24.3 ppg)

9.2 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.0 rpg)

6.2 APG (Regular season career average is 6.3 APG)

0.8 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.5 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.7 SPG)

TS% 53.5(Regular season career average is 56.4%)



Here are Shaq's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.


Game sevens

26.4 PPG (Regular season career average is 23.7 ppg)

10.5 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.9 rpg)

2.5 APG (Regular season career average is 2.5 APG)

2.5 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 BPG)

0.5 SPG (Regular season career average is 0.6 SPG)

FG% 58.8% (Regular season career average is 58.2%)



Elimination games

6 12 W-L record

25.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 23.7 ppg)

10.9 RPG (Regular season career average is 10.9 rpg)

2.0 APG (Regular season career average is 2.5 APG)

1.9 BPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 BPG)

0.6 SPG (Regular season career average is 0.6 SPG)

TS% 57.4% (Regular season career average is 58.6%)


Here are Jordan averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games



Game sevens

33.7 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

FG% 45.7% (Regular season career average is 49.7%)



Elimination games

5 7 W-L record

31.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.9 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

TS% 53.8% (Regular season career average is 56.9%)

[coastalmarker99]

Kobe has a shocking decline in game sevens and elimination games compared to other all-time greats so that may be one key reason on why he is usually not ranked as a top ten player of all time.


Also, another reason might be his finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%| 41 TS%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

[SATAN]

Here are Kobe's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.

Game sevens

22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)


Elimination games
9 10 W-L record

22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)





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[RRR3]

Kobe has a shocking decline in game sevens and elimination games compared to other all-time greats so that may be one key reason on why he is usually not ranked as a top ten player of all time.


Also, another reason might be his finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
Why do you keep leaving out his TS% for 2000? 41.1% btw

[coastalmarker99]

Jerry West rise in his averages all across the board in game sevens and elimination games proves that he did truly live up to his Mr Clutch nickname.


It should be noted that West played one minute before breaking his hand in one of his elimination games. If you ignore that game, he averaged 30.6 PPG in elimination games.

[coastalmarker99]

West lost 3 game sevens in the NBA finals by a combined margin of 7 points if he had won those game sevens and finished his career with 4 rings.

I think you would see a serious debate between him and Kobe nowadays when it comes to who is the second greatest SG of all time behind Jordan.

[RRR3]

Why do you keep leaving out his TS% for 2000? 41.1% btw
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[SATAN]

kenneth avoiding this thread like the plague

[coastalmarker99]

kenneth avoiding this thread like the plague

Indeed he is.

[kennygriffin]

Indeed he is.

there just was a thread about this. i asked why shaqs 97,98,99 losses are on kobes resume when he was a teenager and not even a 1B yet

and i also asked why it only lists the elimination games kobe faced and not the ones he put on others

and i'm still wondering why kobe losing to superior teams is a big deal. so i made the thread asking why lebron lost so many times to inferior teams/players


the only time kobe lost an elimination game he should have won was in 04 vs the pistons

lebrons done it in 2004 vs arroyo

2006 vs ginobili

2009 vs orlando

2010 vs boston

2011 vs dallas

2014 vs sanantonio

2015 vs an iguodala led warriors? lol

and 2021 vs bookers suns

[coastalmarker99]

Here are Kobe's averages across the board in his finals career of 37 games compared to his regular-season self.


25.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.1 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

0.9 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 41.2% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.7(Regular season career average is 55.0%)

38.1 3P%(Regular season career average is 32.9%)

FT% 84.8%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)

TOV 3.3(Regular season career average is 3.0 TOV)

[Rysio]

Here are Kobe's averages across the board in his finals career of 37 games compared to his regular-season self.


25.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.1 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

0.9 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 41.2% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.7(Regular season career average is 55.0%)

38.1 3P%(Regular season career average is 32.9%)

FT% 84.8%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)

TOV 3.3(Regular season career average is 3.0 TOV)

Improves in everything except fg% and tov and that's against best defenses in the league. Goatbe

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi and Jordan would never let their home crowd down and lose a game 7 in front of their fans like those dorks Kareem and Duncan did. Kareem did it in the finals too! F'n bum

[Smoke117]

Kawhi and Jordan would never let their home crowd down and lose a game 7 in front of their fans like those dorks Kareem and Duncan did. Kareem did it in the finals too! F'n bum

Kawhi isn't an all time great. In fact, he's not even a current time great.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi isn't an all time great. In fact, he's not even a current time great.

What are you stupid? He's the goat. Has more playoff points and finals mvps then Kareem at the same ages.

Who is a current all time great? Chris Paul? Hahahahahhahaha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

Top 3 career playoff win share per 48 since the year 1957:

Kawin, Jordan, lebronze

Not an all time great though. His 2 finals mvps stopped two different dynastys and he has led 7 different top 3 SRS teams in VORP if you're a reg season guy. Highest winning percentage for any player ever as well

[Axe]

No load management, no playoffs. :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

Top 3 career playoff win share per 48 since the year 1957:

Kawin, Jordan, lebronze

Not an all time great though. His 2 finals mvps stopped two different dynastys and he has led 7 different top 3 SRS teams in VORP if you're a reg season guy. Highest winning percentage for any player ever as well
All time great peak but his longevity is ass. Sorry.

[Spurs m8]

Kawhi isn't an all time great. In fact, he's not even a current time great.

Exactly.

Dude took weeks to sign this off season and literally no one gave a fvck

Hes either injured or choking when it matters.

[Smoke117]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

Top 3 career playoff win share per 48 since the year 1957:

Kawin, Jordan, lebronze

Not an all time great though. His 2 finals mvps stopped two different dynastys and he has led 7 different top 3 SRS teams in VORP if you're a reg season guy. Highest winning percentage for any player ever as well

Kawhi has played his entire career in a weak era.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi and Jordan would never let their home crowd down and lose a game 7 in front of their fans like those dorks Kareem and Duncan did. Kareem did it in the finals too! F'n bum
They'd also never do this at their peak, in a Game 7 as the title favorite in a series they were -1300 to win


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EjZZLJwteY

[coastalmarker99]

Here are Lebron's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.


Elimination games

15 10 W-L record


33.48 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)

10.76 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)

7.4 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)

1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)

1.6 STL (Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)

FG% 48.8% Regular season career average is 50.4%)




Game sevens

6 2 W-L record

34.87 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)

9.87 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)

5.6 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)

0.8 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)

1.7 STL(Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)

3.6 TOV Regular season career average is 3.5 TOV)

FG% 48.7% Regular season career average is 50.4%)