Shaq vs Hakeem in game sevens and elimination games plus the NBA finals and playoffs

[coastalmarker99]

Shaq

Regular Season
23.7 PPG / 10.9 RPG / 2.5 APG / 2.3 BPG / 0.6 SPG / 58.2% FG / 52.7 FT%

Playoffs
24.3 PPG / 11.6 RPG / 2.7 APG / 2.1 BPG / 0.5 SPG / 56.3% FG / 50.4 FT%



Game 7s
26.4 PPG / 10.5 RPG / 2.5 APG / 2.5 BPG / 0.5 SPG / 58.8% FG / 56.6 FT%

Elimination Games
25.3 PPG / 10.9 RPG / 2.0 APG / 1.9 BPG / 0.6 SPG / 57.4% TS / 52.3 FT%

Finals
28.8 PPG / 13.1 RPG / 3.4 APG / 2.1 BPG / 0.5 SPG / 60.2% FG / 48.8 FT%





Hakeem

Regular Season
21.8 PPG / 11.1 RPG / 2.5 APG / 2.2 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 51.2% FG / 71.2FT%

Playoffs
25.9 PPG / 11.2 RPG / 3.2 APG / 3.3 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 52.8% FG / 71.9FT%


Game 7s
27.2 PPG / 13.6 RPG / 5.2 APG / 2.0 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 49.6% FG / 63.8 FT%


Elimination Games
24.0 PPG / 11.5 RPG / 3.1 APG / 2.9 BPG / 3.2 SPG / 53.1% FG / 66.7 FT%

Finals
27.5 PPG / 10.6 RPG / 3.4 APG / 3.2 BPG / 1.9 SPG / 48.8% FG / 74.0 FT%

[coastalmarker99]

It is surprising to me that Hakeem's stats in the post-season are better than Shaq's as Shaq beats him only in FG% most of the time.


Also, Hakeem was ****ing insane on both ends of the court in game sevens and Elimination Games.


As averaging

24.0 PPG / 11.5 RPG / 3.1 APG / 2.9 BPG / 3.2 SPG / 53.1% FG / 66.7 FT%

over a total of 32 Elimination Games

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[coastalmarker99]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.

[SouBeachTalents]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.
It's very close, but I think I'm going with Hakeem. The only players I'd for sure take ahead of Hakeem in a draft would be Jordan, LeBron & Kareem. Shaq would definitely be close, not to derail the thread but I think I'd take Hakeem over Wilt too, as absurd as that might sound to you :lol

[Gotterdammerung]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.

That would depend on the team I already have prior to the draft.

If I had an established franchise that already had a mix of vets and young guys, I'd go with Hakeem.

But if I had a new expansion styled team, very little in the cupboard, I'd go with Shaq.

[dankok8]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.

Shaq. His offensive dominance completely changes the game. Hakeem's numbers might have been kind of close to Shaq's but that's misleading. He just wasn't anywhere near the same kind of force offensively. Shaq just collapsed defenses like nobody's business and was also a much better passer out of the post. And defensively, contrary to popular belief, Shaq was still really good. Good enough to close down the paint, destroy the boards, and even shut down opposing bigs man to man. P&R defense was a weakness but you wouldn't want any C covering a speedster on the perimeter, a few Hakeem highlights aside. Just because Shaq wasn't the defender that Hakeem, Robinson and Mutombo were in his era doesn't mean he wasn't a great defensive center because he was. Hakeem's defense is more valuable but the gap there is smaller than the offensive gap.

Now if we consider Hakeem's loyalty staying with one team through thick and thin and Shaq leaving twice in his prime, then you opt for Hakeem because of that. But Shaq was the better basketball player. In today's era there is the issue of more spacing and Shaq's lesser mobility being more of a concern but I think Shaq's offense becomes even more insane today. Put him on a team with four shooters; Diesel collapses the D and kicks it out for open threes and it's over.

[8Ball]

Shaq. His offensive dominance completely changes the game. Hakeem's numbers might have been kind of close to Shaq's but that's misleading. He just wasn't anywhere near the same kind of force offensively. Shaq just collapsed defenses like nobody's business and was also a much better passer out of the post. And defensively, contrary to popular belief, Shaq was still really good. Good enough to close down the paint, destroy the boards, and even shut down opposing bigs man to man. P&R defense was a weakness but you wouldn't want any C covering a speedster on the perimeter, a few Hakeem highlights aside. Just because Shaq wasn't the defender that Hakeem, Robinson and Mutombo were in his era doesn't mean he wasn't a great defensive center because he was. Hakeem's defense is more valuable but the gap there is smaller than the offensive gap.

Now if we consider Hakeem's loyalty staying with one team through thick and thin and Shaq leaving twice in his prime, then you opt for Hakeem because of that. But Shaq was the better basketball player. In today's era there is the issue of more spacing and Shaq's lesser mobility being more of a concern but I think Shaq's offense becomes even more insane today. Put him on a team with four shooters; Diesel collapses the D and kicks it out for open threes and it's over.

I agree.

Teams can't have players like Javale McGee as their starting center vs Shaq. Within 2-3 mins of the start of the game coaches would be forced to make changes.

However Shaq was just not a good defender out in the perimeter.

[Charlie Sheen]

Shaq. His offensive dominance completely changes the game. Hakeem's numbers might have been kind of close to Shaq's but that's misleading. He just wasn't anywhere near the same kind of force offensively. Shaq just collapsed defenses like nobody's business and was also a much better passer out of the post. And defensively, contrary to popular belief, Shaq was still really good. Good enough to close down the paint, destroy the boards, and even shut down opposing bigs man to man. P&R defense was a weakness but you wouldn't want any C covering a speedster on the perimeter, a few Hakeem highlights aside. Just because Shaq wasn't the defender that Hakeem, Robinson and Mutombo were in his era doesn't mean he wasn't a great defensive center because he was. Hakeem's defense is more valuable but the gap there is smaller than the offensive gap.

Now if we consider Hakeem's loyalty staying with one team through thick and thin and Shaq leaving twice in his prime, then you opt for Hakeem because of that. But Shaq was the better basketball player. In today's era there is the issue of more spacing and Shaq's lesser mobility being more of a concern but I think Shaq's offense becomes even more insane today. Put him on a team with four shooters; Diesel collapses the D and kicks it out for open threes and it's over.

Hakeem tried to force his way out of Houston. There was a medical disagreement similar to Kawhi and the Spurs. His loyalty might be a product of circumstance because it's likely he could have forced his way out when leverage was shifting more towards players in the next decade.

[FKAri]

Shaq. His offensive dominance completely changes the game. Hakeem's numbers might have been kind of close to Shaq's but that's misleading. He just wasn't anywhere near the same kind of force offensively. Shaq just collapsed defenses like nobody's business and was also a much better passer out of the post. And defensively, contrary to popular belief, Shaq was still really good. Good enough to close down the paint, destroy the boards, and even shut down opposing bigs man to man. P&R defense was a weakness but you wouldn't want any C covering a speedster on the perimeter, a few Hakeem highlights aside. Just because Shaq wasn't the defender that Hakeem, Robinson and Mutombo were in his era doesn't mean he wasn't a great defensive center because he was. Hakeem's defense is more valuable but the gap there is smaller than the offensive gap.

Now if we consider Hakeem's loyalty staying with one team through thick and thin and Shaq leaving twice in his prime, then you opt for Hakeem because of that. But Shaq was the better basketball player. In today's era there is the issue of more spacing and Shaq's lesser mobility being more of a concern but I think Shaq's offense becomes even more insane today. Put him on a team with four shooters; Diesel collapses the D and kicks it out for open threes and it's over.

Yes, but...

In today's game, the gap between the two would be larger on the defensive end. Offensively, I don't know.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I told you Hakeem is the GOAT, he has the 2nd biggest carry job of all time in 1994 and only leonard's 2019 run beats him.

Shaq was a lazy fat shit who always had a top 10 goat on his team in Kobe or a top 10 goat peak in 06 wade.

[dankok8]

Hakeem tried to force his way out of Houston. There was a medical disagreement similar to Kawhi and the Spurs. His loyalty might be a product of circumstance because it's likely he could have forced his way out when leverage was shifting more towards players in the next decade.

Maybe... but Shaq left contending quality teams twice.


Yes, but...

In today's game, the gap between the two would be larger on the defensive end. Offensively, I don't know.

Offensively, Shaq would be a cheat code today with all the 3pt shooting. You basically couldn't double him without giving up an open three because Shaq was a great passer of the ball.

[sdot_thadon]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.
As much as I hate to say this I'd go with Shaq. Not because I see a gap between the 2 but because Shaq was able to be the force he was for a bit more time than Dream was. As far as their impact at Dream's best his 2 way impact was on par with Shaqs offense heavy impact. Dream's peak just didn't last as long.

[HoopsNY]

Here is a question.

If you were a GM and had the number one pick in a draft that both Hakeem and Shaq were in who would you personally pick out of the two.

Hakeem without a doubt. Hakeem didn't need the NBA and refs to turn a blind eye to his egregious offensive fouls. And he didn't need the NBA fixing games, which ultimately led to a championship.

If Hakeem has peak Penny, peak Kobe, peak Wade, Rice, Grant, Scott, Anderson, Malone, Payton, Phil Jackson, the NBA, the refs, and David Stern for his entire career, how many chips is he winning? :lol

[coastalmarker99]

Hakeem without a doubt. Hakeem didn't need the NBA and refs to turn a blind eye to his egregious offensive fouls. And he didn't need the NBA fixing games, which ultimately led to a championship.

If Hakeem has peak Penny, peak Kobe, peak Wade, Rice, Grant, Scott, Anderson, Malone, Payton, Phil Jackson, the NBA, the refs, and David Stern for his entire career, how many chips is he winning? :lol


I would say that Hakeem wins 5 straight titles in a row from 2000 to 2004.



Shaq might have cost the Lakers a four-peat in 2003 by getting surgery on his toe just before the season started his reason for this was "I got hurt on company time, so I'll heal on company time as a result the Lakers started off the 2002-2003 season with a record of 11-19 and ended up as the fifth seed.

[HoopsNY]

I would say that Hakeem wins 5 straight titles in a row from 2000 to 2004.



Shaq might have cost the Lakers a four-peat in 2003 by getting surgery on his toe just before the season started his reason for this was "I got hurt on company time, so I'll heal on company time as a result the Lakers started off the 2002-2003 season with a record of 11-19 and ended up as the fifth seed.

Peak Hakeem wins in 1999 as well playing alongside Kobe and Rice. He would also win with Wade in 2006. And quite frankly, if the roles are reversed with Shaq and Hakeem in 1995, then Hakeem wins with Penny/Scott/Anderson/Grant also.