What are the worst rings of all time?

[SaintzFury13]

I've actually been thinking about this for a while now and the thread "greatest rings of all time" got me thinking about it even more. I've been under the impression since they happened that Durant's two rings with Golden State are arguably the least valuable rings of all time when it comes to how much they help someone's legacy. I sometimes forget he even won those championships in the first place because they simply do not matter to me when deciding just how great he is. Those rings never changed my opinion about him, it more or less stayed the same. But are there any others out there that belong in that discussion? I've heard some people try to diminish Kobe's 2010 ring due to his performance, but I simply can't agree with that statement. I'm legitimately curious as to what some of your answers are.

I already know what a certain someone is going to say...let's just all ignore him, shall we?

[1987_Lakers]

Seems to me like every team who won a title from '74-'79 gets ignored by fans today, maybe you hear some discussion about the Blazers winning it in '77, but that's about it. I believe the lack of popularity in the NBA around that time is a huge factor for that, also there wasn't really any dominant teams around that time, so they are easily forgettable.

Pistons winning it in '89 has to be up there, no Bird for the Celtics that season and they beat the Lakers without Magic. Giannis was an absolute monster this postseason, but you can't deny all the injuries that took place in the playoffs this year, I don't want to call it a weak ring, but there is no doubt we would have seen another team win it all if everyone was 100% healthy.

'81 Celtics beating a team with a losing record in the Finals is up there, but I believe them beating a very good Philly team in the ECF kinda validates the ring. We also heard alot of people calling the Warriors 2015 ring weak due to injuries to opponents.

[Airupthere]

I've actually been thinking about this for a while now and the thread "greatest rings of all time" got me thinking about it even more. I've been under the impression since they happened that Durant's two rings with Golden State are arguably the least valuable rings of all time when it comes to how much they help someone's legacy. I sometimes forget he even won those championships in the first place because they simply do not matter to me when deciding just how great he is. Those rings never changed my opinion about him, it more or less stayed the same. But are there any others out there that belong in that discussion? I've heard some people try to diminish Kobe's 2010 ring due to his performance, but I simply can't agree with that statement. I'm legitimately curious as to what some of your answers are.

I already know what a certain someone is going to say...let's just all ignore him, shall we?

Why do you choose to punish KD for joining a strong lineup but not Lebron for forming a strong and favored lineup? Same idea, join/form a dominant team most likely to win.

[ShawkFactory]

Seems to me like every team who won a title from '74-'79 gets ignored by fans today, maybe you hear some discussion about the Blazers winning it in '77, but that's about it. I believe the lack of popularity in the NBA around that time is a huge factor for that, also there wasn't really any dominant teams around that time, so they are easily forgettable.

Pistons winning it in '89 has to be up there, no Bird for the Celtics that season and they beat the Lakers without Magic. Giannis was an absolute monster this postseason, but you can't deny all the injuries that took place in the playoffs this year, I don't want to call it a weak ring, but there is no doubt we would have seen another team win it all if everyone was 100% healthy.

'81 Celtics beating a team with a losing record in the Finals is up there, but I believe them beating a very good Philly team in the ECF kinda validates the ring. We also heard alot of people calling the Warriors 2015 ring weak due to injuries to opponents.

I just looked at the matchups from those years and I legit could not have told you who even played in the '76, '79, and '79 finals. The Bullets and Sonics having back-to-back matchups is crazy to me. And I had absolutely no idea that the Suns made a finals in the 70s. I can't even honestly tell you that I knew they were a franchise yet in '76.

As far as bad rings go though (which I'm one of those people who doesn't truly believe that that exists), you have to mention the 1999 Spurs. Of course they had 2 HOFers on the team, but in the 50 game season with their finals opponent being an 8 seed who was missing their leader...kinda weak.

I don't know if it was because of the lockout or because of Jordan leaving, but 1999 might have been the weakest year the league has seen since the early stages.

[Manny98]

How are Durants rings the least valuable foh

He was the best player on the greatest team in NBA history, and put on two of the greatest playoff runs of all time.

That alone makes it valuable than a lot of rings

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2020 bubble ring and 1999 lockout ring are the first two that come to mind.

2020 bubble - everything was asterisk

1999 lockout ring - 8th seed in the finals after Jordan\Pippen\Phil all left bulls

[warriorfan]

2020 bubble
2016 Adam Silver and injuries
2012 lock out season vs 23 year old chokers

[ScottieQuitting]

2020 Micky Mouse Bubble
2012 Lockout Shortened
1999 Lockout Shortened

Everything else has been legitimate.

In a way the 2021, due to all the excessive injuries.

[k0kakw0rld]

How are Durants rings the least valuable foh

He was the best player on the greatest team in NBA history, and put on two of the greatest playoff runs of all time.

That alone makes it valuable than a lot of rings
The same reason why people don't respect you.

You seem like the type to catch your girlfriend in your bed with another man and then cry about it, do nothing about it and then apologize to her for not satisfying her enough. Then you would proceed by begging her not to let you go. Yup, you seem like the type if you respect what Durant has done.

[hold this L]

How are Durants rings the least valuable foh

He was the best player on the greatest team in NBA history, and put on two of the greatest playoff runs of all time.

That alone makes it valuable than a lot of rings

Lay off the drugs, and get off the man's pecker. He's not gonna retweet you.

[SaintzFury13]

Why do you choose to punish KD for joining a strong lineup but not Lebron for forming a strong and favored lineup? Same idea, join/form a dominant team most likely to win.

Because for starters, LeBron didn't join a strong and favored line up. He joined a team that had a grand total of three players on it and it had to be filled out with mostly old, out of prime role players who probably wouldn't have seen minutes on any other team. Everyone agreed that LeBron's chances of winning a title increased significantly when he went to Miami and by the end of the season they were clear favorites, but no one was out there stating that Miami winning a title was a for sure thing. Meanwhile people were legitimately claiming that Kevin Durant ruined the sport of basketball and that competing was pointless because people were that confident that Golden State would be winning before the season even started.

But that's not the reason I'm choosing to rag on KD. LeBron's opponents during his time in Miami were at least on their level and had legitimate chances of winning. The Thunder, even though they lost 4-1, kept every game close apart from game 5 and were, by all intents and purposes, meant to be Miami's rival in the future due to their very strong and young core group consisting of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka (obviously, things did not work out that way). The Spurs were an even better team and had Popovich kept Duncan out on the floor in the final seconds in game 6, they likely would have beaten a 66 win Miami Heat team in the NBA Finals. LeBron and the Heat overcame both of these teams to become champion.

KD's team on the other hand went up against the Cavaliers twice, and it was very clear on both occasions that they were no match for the Warriors. There was no adversity. I don't like the "joining super teams" argument because it holds little to no weight in the grand scheme of things. You still have to beat your opponents and we've seen instances in the past where superstars who teamed up ultimately failed in their task to win a title. But if said opponents are very clearly not on the same level as you, then I can't agree with the idea that your championship win does anything for you or your legacy apart from add an additional number to your ring total.

FYI, it's for that very reason that I don't rate LeBron's win in LA very highly either. Yes, I do think Miami was a legitimately great team but they were clearly not a match for the Lakers. It had made for a feel good story since it happened the very year that we tragically lost Kobe Bryant, but apart from that, I don't think it proved anything that we didn't already know about LeBron at that point, which is that he's an all time great and is capable of leading his team to a title on the biggest stage.


2020 bubble ring and 1999 lockout ring are the first two that come to mind.

2020 bubble - everything was asterisk

1999 lockout ring - 8th seed in the finals after Jordan\Pippen\Phil all left bulls

I don't know if I'd say that everything was asterisk with the 2020 bubble. There was no home court advantage so it became a case of truly the best team coming out on top. But I do agree that it belongs in the discussion. The Lakers were able to avoid the Clippers and their finals opponents were a clearly inferior Miami Heat team.


2020 bubble
2016 Adam Silver and injuries
2012 lock out season vs 23 year old chokers

2012 being mentioned is just silly to me. The Thunder were still very clearly a good team and took it to Miami in four of the five games. You can say the spotlight got to them in game 5, but then again when Mike Miller of all people is lighting you up, all you can really do is sit there and think to yourself "what the hell are we supposed to do at this point?". I don't see what it being a lock out season has to do with anything either. It made a legitimate difference in 1999, but in 2012 I had no problem believing that the Thunder and Heat were the two best teams in the league.

2016? You want to claim Adam Silver and injuries are the reason why? The Warriors had one injury that happened after game 5, and that was the Bogut injury. And don't get me wrong, that was still a big deal, but it doesn't diminish what the Cavaliers pulled off to the point where it makes it one of the worst rings of all time. The nagging injuries to Curry and Iggy? Those were all still there from the very start of the series and the Warriors were still very clearly the better team.

And don't pull the Adam Silver card. Just don't. Draymond has no one to blame but himself. Even he admits that it was his own fault he got suspended and that he should have known better.

Warriors without Bogut and with hurt Curry and Iggy are still a better team than Cleveland. LeBron and co just pulled off some truly incredible performances in those last three games while the Warriors couldn't handle the storm coming their way. But I wouldn't expect a butt hurt Warriors fan to understand that.

[kennygriffin]

#1 2020 Lakers
#2 2012 Miami
#3 1999 spurs
#4 2013 Miami
#5 2016 cavs
#6 2018 warriors
#7 2017 warriors
#8 2008 Celtics
#9 1988 Lakers
#10 2006 Miami


hm: 2007 spurs

[SaintzFury13]

How are Durants rings the least valuable foh

He was the best player on the greatest team in NBA history, and put on two of the greatest playoff runs of all time.

That alone makes it valuable than a lot of rings

You're an idiot.

[SaintzFury13]

#1 2020 Lakers
#2 2012 Miami
#3 1999 spurs
#4 2013 Miami
#5 2016 cavs
#6 2018 warriors
#7 2017 warriors
#8 2008 Celtics
#9 1988 Lakers
#10 2006 Miami


hm: 2007 spurs

I rarely ever take anything you say seriously, but I am legitimately curious: Why the 2008 Celtics?

[kennygriffin]

I rarely ever take anything you say seriously, but I am legitimately curious: Why the 2008 Celtics?

well ok for the 1 millionth time

KG - "hey kobe you wanna team up. I'm looking to collude with another superstar"

((no answer))

KG - "hey Kevin McHale. kobe bryant didn't answer me. where else can I go"

McHale - "let me call up the Celtics since I used to play with them and I want them to have you"

KG - " LOL F* THAT. pierce ain't enough"

McHale- ," I told them if they can get a 3rd guy you would go"

KG - " cool I'm down with that. and I can keep kobe from getting 6 rings and a 2nd three peat now out of spite for him not wanting an easy path like everyone in the future AHAHAHAH "


https://i.ibb.co/DgYM3tN/anything-is-possible-celtics.gif

[1987_Lakers]

I rarely ever take anything you say seriously, but I am legitimately curious: Why the 2008 Celtics?

He's gonna say some dumb shit like they formed a super team so it doesn't count.

Edit: What did I tell you. lol.

[SaintzFury13]

I know there haven't been many replies yet, but I'm shocked no one's mentioned Hakeem's ring against the Knicks, Chamberlin's ring against the Warriors, or any of Bill Russell's rings, with the 1965 one being a clear standout.

[SaintzFury13]

well ok for the 1 millionth time

KG - "hey kobe you wanna team up. I'm looking to collude with another superstar"

((no answer))

KG - "hey Kevin McHale. kobe bryant didn't answer me. where else can I go"

McHale - "let me call up the Celtics since I used to play with them and I want them to have you"

KG - " LOL F* THAT. pierce ain't enough"

McHale- ," I told them if they can get a 3rd guy you would go"

KG - " cool I'm down with that. and I can keep kobe from getting 6 rings and a 2nd three peat now out of spite for him not wanting an easy path like everyone in the future AHAHAHAH "


https://i.ibb.co/DgYM3tN/anything-is-possible-celtics.gif

You're an idiot.

[kennygriffin]

He's gonna say some dumb shit like they formed a super team so it doesn't count.

Edit: What did I tell you. lol.

you know what's funny. you defending colluded super teams means you're basically admitting theyre the only reason lebron has any success

and lebron says he's never played on a superteam lmao

so even you don't respect your idols opinion

[kennygriffin]

You're an idiot.

well.. thats legit what f*ckin happened lol. garnett and McHale admitted it

[1987_Lakers]

I know there haven't been many replies yet, but I'm shocked no one's mentioned Hakeem's ring against the Knicks, Chamberlin's ring against the Warriors, or any of Bill Russell's rings, with the 1965 one being a clear standout.

This forum doesn't really talk much about what happened in the 60's or 70's. Sure, you get some discussion on Wilt or Russell, but most people here are clueless to who Wilt beat to win his 2 rings or who Russell played against in 1965.

[Manny98]

The same reason why people don't respect you.

You seem like the type to catch your girlfriend in your bed with another man and then cry about it, do nothing about it and then apologize to her for not satisfying her enough. Then you would proceed by begging her not to let you go. Yup, you seem like the type if you respect what Durant has done.
He spearheaded the greatest team in NBA history

Destroyed the greatest player of this generation in back to back finals

Nothing but greatness :applause:

[Manny98]

You're an idiot.
How can being the best player on the greatest team of all time and having 2 all time great playoffs be considered the worst ring ever

KD haters sound stupid :facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

you know what's funny. you defending colluded super teams means you're basically admitting theyre the only reason lebron has any success

and lebron says he's never played on a superteam lmao

so even you don't respect your idols opinion

LeBron and KG had every right to leave their situations, I don't blame them one bit. Both of them gave their front offices years to improve their rosters and it just never happened. There is nothing wrong in leaving a team that you think is heading in the wrong direction. Hell, we saw Kobe demand a trade, we saw him beg the front office to trade Bynum for Jason Kidd, do you think he would have been against the CP3 trade if it didn't get blocked? Of course not, he just wanted to win no matter the cost.

[Manny98]

Anyways the worst ring ever was the 02 Lakers because of the blatant rigjob


https://youtu.be/kwoiuZ9rH_A

The 2019 Raptors deserve a mention because there ring was so underserved, beat a crippled ass team doesn't count


https://youtu.be/lYrA30qcvK4


https://youtu.be/oF_zSEbNL0c

[kennygriffin]

Anyways the worst ring ever was the 02 Lakers because of the blatant rigjob


https://youtu.be/kwoiuZ9rH_A

The 2019 Raptors deserve a mention because there ring was so underserved, beat a crippled ass team doesn't count


https://youtu.be/lYrA30qcvK4


https://youtu.be/oF_zSEbNL0c

the kings were gifted game 5 and shot more free throws for the series. they just choked game 7 going 2 for 20 from 3 and 15 for 30 from the line. it was rigged to go 7 to make up for the obvious low finals ratings that would come with new jersey


and injuries are part or the game. they happen every year to star players. they can't really be used as an aterisk. just an excuse

[1987_Lakers]

And by definition LeBron never won with a superteam. The closest being 2012, and even if you want to call them a superteam you know who they played in the Finals that year? KD, Westbrook, & Harden. If you are not going to count that championship, then you might as well discount the Lakers & Celtics championships from the 80's.

By 2013 Wade was past his prime, '09 & '10 Gasol put up better production than Wade did in the 2013 playoffs. In 2016 LeBron went up against a 73 win team, a team who was favored to beat them that year. The fact that you LeBron haters make it seem like he was on these untouchable dominant teams each year he won a title is almost comical to be honest.

[Honor Boost]

Which player doesn't enter a 73 win team in place of Harrison Barnes and win the championship trophy? Many top 25 players would win in that situation.

History

2015 Warriors = Champ trophy
2016 Warriors = 1 game away from Champ trophy (went 7 in Finals)
2017 Warriors = Lose Harrison Barnes, gain ___________ player and win 1 more Finals game

My eyes show the 2016 Warriors only needed one Finals game win and KD was overkill. If H. Barnes wasn't so shit in 2016 they win back to back.

[1987_Lakers]

I'll give my Lakers a pass for 2002, yes the officiating was piss poor in game 6, you can call it rigged, hell the Kings were probably a better team that year, but they had a game 7 in Sacramento and every player on that team except Bibby proceeded to choke big time once the game got tight.

[SaintzFury13]

you know what's funny. you defending colluded super teams means you're basically admitting theyre the only reason lebron has any success

and lebron says he's never played on a superteam lmao

so even you don't respect your idols opinion

They aren't the only reason LeBron has any success. His greatest achievement in his entire career happened without a super team against arguably the greatest team of all time. I've acknowledged countless times now that LeBron colluded with Wade and Bosh, that doesn't change the fact that he still had to face teams that were on Miami's level just to win his two titles. LeBron's Cavaliers teams were not on the same level as Durant's Warriors. If you can't comprehend that, you're an idiot.


The 2019 Raptors deserve a mention because there ring was so underserved, beat a crippled ass team doesn't count


https://youtu.be/lYrA30qcvK4


https://youtu.be/oF_zSEbNL0c

It's weird that I just called you an idiot because I actually agree 100% about the Raptors. And it pains me to admit it because I really do like the way that team is constructed from top to bottom. A great starting five with a very good bench and great coaching with a lot of personal I have a great deal of respect for. Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam, I was very happy for all of these guys that they got a ring. Hell I was even happy for Kawhi as this was the perfect redemption story for him.

But...yeah, I can't deny that the Warriors were heavily injury plagued in this series and Toronto stood no real chance against them at full strength. But it prevented DeMarcus Cousins from getting an easy ring so I'm happy about that.

[kennygriffin]

And by definition LeBron never won with a superteam. The closest being 2012, and even if you want to call them a superteam you know who they played in the Finals that year? KD, Westbrook, & Harden. If you are not going to count that championship, then you might as well discount the Lakers & Celtics championships from the 80's.

By 2013 Wade was past his prime, '09 & '10 Gasol put up better production than Wade did in the 2013 playoffs. In 2016 LeBron went up against a 73 win team, a team who was favored to beat them that year. The fact that you LeBron haters make it seem like he was on these untouchable dominant teams each year he won a title is almost comical to be honest.

man that first sentence might be the biggest post killer in ISH history


everyone else make it to the end lol

wow. save that line for the very end and someone might read what you have to say little fella

take my pointers and build on this going forward and you could one day become a solid poster. you have the dedication. won't deny that. it's your execution that's lacking

[1987_Lakers]

man that first sentence might be the biggest post killer in ISH history


everyone else make it to the end lol

wow. save that line for the very end and someone might read what you have to say little fella

take my pointers and build on this going forward and you could one day become a solid poster. you have the dedication. won't deny that. it's your execution that's lacking

Read the rest, it's nothing but facts.

[SaintzFury13]

And by definition LeBron never won with a superteam. The closest being 2012, and even if you want to call them a superteam you know who they played in the Finals that year? KD, Westbrook, & Harden. If you are not going to count that championship, then you might as well discount the Lakers & Celtics championships from the 80's.

By 2013 Wade was past his prime, '09 & '10 Gasol put up better production than Wade did in the 2013 playoffs. In 2016 LeBron went up against a 73 win team, a team who was favored to beat them that year. The fact that you LeBron haters make it seem like he was on these untouchable dominant teams each year he won a title is almost comical to be honest.

Nah, come on now. That 2013 Miami Heat team was by all means a super team. Wade was still a legitimate all star level player and Bosh was arguably at his best in Miami with being fully settled into his role on top of becoming a legitimately great defensive player at the center position for them. And they had a great bench unit consisting of Allen, Birdman, Cole, and Haslem. And I haven't even mentioned LeBron, who in 2013 was arguably the greatest player we had ever seen in the history of basketball, period. This was him at his absolute peak and he was so dominant that it more often than not looked like he wasn't even trying and still lit up opposing teams. He should have been unanimous MVP that season and he should have been DPOY. It still blows my mind to this day that Marc Gasol won it over him, especially when you consider the fact that Gasol didn't even make first team all defense. It should have went to LeBron, no questions asked.

[kennygriffin]

They aren't the only reason LeBron has any success. His greatest achievement in his entire career happened without a super team against arguably the greatest team of all time. I've acknowledged countless times now that LeBron colluded with Wade and Bosh, that doesn't change the fact that he still had to face teams that were on Miami's level just to win his two titles. LeBron's Cavaliers teams were not on the same level as Durant's Warriors. If you can't comprehend that, you're an idiot.



It's weird that I just called you an idiot because I actually agree 100% about the Raptors. And it pains me to admit it because I really do like the way that team is constructed from top to bottom. A great starting five with a very good bench and great coaching with a lot of personal I have a great deal of respect for. Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam, I was very happy for all of these guys that they got a ring. Hell I was even happy for Kawhi as this was the perfect redemption story for him.

But...yeah, I can't deny that the Warriors were heavily injury plagued in this series and Toronto stood no real chance against them at full strength. But it prevented DeMarcus Cousins from getting an easy ring so I'm happy about that.

its silly to use injuries as an asterisk


2000 - Duncan
2002 - peja
2003 - kobe
2004 - Malone
2005 - Kobe
2006 - tmac
2008 - Bynum/Ariza
2009 - Garnett
2010 - Perkins
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Rose
2013 - Kobe
2014 - PG
2015 - Kyrie
2016 - Curry, bogut, iggy
2017 - Kawhi
2018 - Kyrie
2019 - Durant, Klay
2020 - Durant, Bam, Dragic
2021 - Everyone

[kennygriffin]

Read the rest, it's nothing but facts.

but you just defended colluded super teams then right after you said lebron never was a part of one because I exposed you for trying to make light of them to protect your guy. you realized it so you tried backpeddling but you failed because you used your punchline troll comment in the very first sentence lol

you're such a rookie

[1987_Lakers]

Nah, come on now. That 2013 Miami Heat team was by all means a super team. Wade was still a legitimate all star level player and Bosh was arguably at his best in Miami with being fully settled into his role on top of becoming a legitimately great defensive player at the center position for them. And they had a great bench unit consisting of Allen, Birdman, Cole, and Haslem. And I haven't even mentioned LeBron, who in 2013 was arguably the greatest player we had ever seen in the history of basketball, period. This was him at his absolute peak and he was so dominant that it more often than not looked like he wasn't even trying and still lit up opposing teams. He should have been unanimous MVP that season and he should have been DPOY. It still blows my mind to this day that Marc Gasol won it over him, especially when you consider the fact that Gasol didn't even make first team all defense. It should have went to LeBron, no questions asked.

There is no specific definition to what a super team is. To me it's 2 supertstar level players with atleast 1 other All-Star. Wade was not a superstar level player in 2013. I agree that Miami team that year had insane depth, it was the best team LeBron has ever played on, but Wade's performance in the playoffs overall was underwhelming, injured or not. As far as star power goes, the KD's Warriors, 80's Celtics & Lakers had more high end talent than that Miami team.

[1987_Lakers]

but you just defended colluded super teams then right after you said lebron never was a part of one because I exposed you for trying to make light of them to protect your guy. you realized it so you tried backpeddling but you failed because you used your punchline troll comment in the very first sentence lol

you're such a rookie

When did I defend colluding superteams? All I said is if you are in a shit situation then you have every right to leave. Even if you want to shit on LeBron for stacking the deck, you also have to take notice that he beat teams just as good as his teams in the Finals.

[SaintzFury13]

its silly to use injuries as an asterisk


2000 - Duncan
2002 - peja
2003 - kobe
2004 - Malone
2005 - Kobe
2006 - tmac
2008 - Bynum/Ariza
2009 - Garnett
2010 - Perkins
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Rose
2013 - Kobe
2014 - PG
2015 - Kyrie
2016 - Curry, bogut, iggy
2017 - Kawhi
2018 - Kyrie
2019 - Durant, Klay
2020 - Durant, Bam, Dragic
2021 - Everyone

That's really the best you've got for why it's silly to use injuries as an asterisk? If they are literally the only reason a team won an NBA Finals, then it's absolutely necessary to use it.

[Axe]

well ok for the 1 millionth time

KG - "hey kobe you wanna team up. I'm looking to collude with another superstar"

((no answer))

KG - "hey Kevin McHale. kobe bryant didn't answer me. where else can I go"

McHale - "let me call up the Celtics since I used to play with them and I want them to have you"

KG - " LOL F* THAT. pierce ain't enough"

McHale- ," I told them if they can get a 3rd guy you would go"

KG - " cool I'm down with that. and I can keep kobe from getting 6 rings and a 2nd three peat now out of spite for him not wanting an easy path like everyone in the future AHAHAHAH "


https://i.ibb.co/DgYM3tN/anything-is-possible-celtics.gif
Kobe choked in that finals series.

[MrFonzworth]

2020 by a wide margin

[3ba11]

Durant's 17' ring is legit because he beat a super-team

Lebron's 13' ring isn't legit because the Heat didn't win with him on the floor (net negative and zero plus/minus), and he played like trash thru 6 games, which was insufficient so Ray Allen had to force Game 7 with a miracle shot

And the bubble ring is obviously a joke

[kennygriffin]

That's really the best you've got for why it's silly to use injuries as an asterisk? If they are literally the only reason a team won an NBA Finals, then it's absolutely necessary to use it.

na cause injuries aren't manipulation. theyre freak accidents. nobody has control over them and they take out stars on contenders almost every year

you would have to void 95% of title winners


at best you could give an asterisk if its an intentional injury like Zaza on kawhi

[kennygriffin]

Durant's 17' ring is legit because he beat a super-team

Lebron's 13' ring isn't legit because the Heat didn't win with him on the floor (net negative and zero plus/minus), and he played like trash thru 6 games, which was insufficient so Ray Allen had to force Game 7 with a miracle shot

And the bubble ring is obviously a joke

I love Durant but sadly that's still no excuse. lebron created a superteam to get by bostons superteam so that would legitimize his Miami titles

[StrongLurk]

OP is wasting his time on ISH...OP will learn soon that the effort he is putting into his posts will be met with low-effort retardation with a health mix of player stans and player haters.

Only about 5% of ISH actually wants to discuss the NBA.

[HoopsNY]

I just looked at the matchups from those years and I legit could not have told you who even played in the '76, '79, and '79 finals. The Bullets and Sonics having back-to-back matchups is crazy to me. And I had absolutely no idea that the Suns made a finals in the 70s. I can't even honestly tell you that I knew they were a franchise yet in '76.

As far as bad rings go though (which I'm one of those people who doesn't truly believe that that exists), you have to mention the 1999 Spurs. Of course they had 2 HOFers on the team, but in the 50 game season with their finals opponent being an 8 seed who was missing their leader...kinda weak.

I don't know if it was because of the lockout or because of Jordan leaving, but 1999 might have been the weakest year the league has seen since the early stages.

I'm going to have to disagree about the '99 Spurs. Yes the Knicks were a very weak opponent (especially when Ewing was out and LJ was hobbled). But the Spurs had a tough road to the finals and in the first three rounds, went 11-1. Not only did they sweep the Blazers, but they swept a Lakers team that had Shaq, Kobe, and Glen Rice.

I agree that the Warriors in '17 and '18 have weak rings due to the artificially formed super-team with KD. I'd add the 2020 Lakers to that list.

[Axe]

OP is wasting his time on ISH...OP will learn soon that the effort he is putting into his posts will be met with low-effort retardation with a health mix of player stans and player haters.

Only about 5% of ISH actually wants to discuss the NBA.
I don't think he realizes this lol.