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kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:19 PM
50+ win teams beaten to make the finals

Lebron:

2007 - Pistons = 53 wins
2011 - Celtics = 56 wins, Bulls = 62 wins
2012 - Pacers = 66% 50+ win pace
2013 - zero
2014 - Pacers = 56 wins
2015 - Bulls = 50 wins, Hawks = 60 wins
2016 - Raptors = 56 wins
2017 - Raptors = 51 wins, Celtics = 53 wins
2018 - Raptors = 59 wins, Celtics = 55 wins
2020 - Rockets = 61% 50+ win pace, Nuggets 63% 50+ win pace

total = 14 to make 10 finals ( even if you count a "pace" during a fake season )
Real total = 11


Kobe:

2000 - Suns = 53 wins, Portland = 59 wins
2001 - Portland = 50 wins, Kings = 55 wins, Spurs = 58 wins
2002 - Spurs = 58 wins, Kings = 61 wins
2004 - Spurs = 57 wins, Wolves = 58 wins
2008 - Nuggets = 50 wins, Jazz = 54 wins, Spurs = 56 wins
2009 - Rockets = 53 wins, Nuggets = 54 wins
2010 - Thunder = 50 wins, Jazz = 53 wins, Suns = 54 wins

total = 17 to make 7 finals




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8Ball
08-17-2021, 10:22 PM
Kobe

Regular Season
25.0 PPG / 5.2 RPG / 4.7 APG / 0.5 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 44.7% FG

Playoffs
25.6 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 4.7 APG / 0.7 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 44.8% FG



Game 7s
22.2 PPG / 8.0 RPG / 5.0 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.0 SPG / 38.9% FG

Elimination Games
22.3 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 3.5 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.3 SPG / 44.0% FG

Finals
25.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 5.1 APG / 0.9 BPG / 1.8 SPG / 41.2% FG





Lebron

Regular Season
27.0 PPG / 7.4 RPG / 7.4 APG / 0.7 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 50.4% FG

Playoffs
28.7 PPG / 9.0 RPG / 7.2 APG / 0.9 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 49.5% FG


Game 7s
34.87 PPG / 9.87 RPG / 5.6 APG / 0.8 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 48.7% FG


Elimination Games
33.48 PPG / 10.76 RPG / 7.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 48.8% FG

Finals
28.2 PPG / 10.0 RPG / 7.7 APG / 0.8 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 47.65% FG

8Ball
08-17-2021, 10:23 PM
According to actual history.

Bron has made 10 finals.
Kobe has made 7 finals.

According to math:

10>7

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:26 PM
According to actual history.

Bron has made 10 finals.
Kobe has made 7 finals.

According to math:

10>7

17>11
5>4*

ELITEpower23
08-17-2021, 10:26 PM
According to actual history.

Bron has made 10 finals.
Kobe has made 7 finals.

According to math:

10>7

/thread

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:28 PM
bran fans always bragging about his 10 finals appearances with less actual teams beaten than what kobe beat to make 5 out of his 7

:roll::roll::roll:

8Ball
08-17-2021, 10:30 PM
bran fans always bragging about his 10 finals appearances with less actual teams beaten than what kobe beat to make 5 out of his 7


It took 10 minutes, but Kenneth admits LeBron made 10 finals and Kobe made 7.

End thread. Moving on.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:32 PM
It took 10 minutes, but Kenneth admits LeBron made 10 finals and Kobe made 7.

End thread. Moving on.

duh.. the title is just to get you in here

it worked didn't it lmao


and now you know your guy beat 5 finals runs worth of legit opponents to make 10 finals

:roll:

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:37 PM
kobe = 3 finals runs with 3 50+ win teams
Lebron = 0

:roll:


Lebron = 5 finals runs with 1 or less 50+ win teams beaten
Kobe = 0 finals runs with less than 2 50+ wins teams beaten

:roll::roll:

1987_Lakers
08-17-2021, 10:56 PM
Am I suppose to be impressed with the fact that the Lakers beat a 53 win Suns team in 2000 with Kobe only averaging 21 a game and getting outscored by Clifford Robinson in the process? Or averaging 20 ppg vs Portland in the same year?

Axe
08-17-2021, 10:57 PM
Why are you still not banned yet huh op? :ohwell:

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 10:59 PM
Am I suppose to be impressed with the fact that the Lakers beat a 53 win Suns team in 2000 with Kobe only averaging 21 a game and getting outscored by Clifford Robinson in the process? Or averaging 20 ppg vs Portland in the same year?

you want me to take off lebrons wins from 2011 and 2020 when he was a sidekick

:lol

1987_Lakers
08-17-2021, 11:04 PM
you want me to take off lebrons wins from 2011 and 2020 when he was a sidekick

:lol

I didn't know a sidekick can win unanimous Finals MVP or finish 2nd in the MVP voting like LeBron did in 2020.

We all know for a fact that Kobe never even came close to sniffing a Finals MVP or even finished ahead of Shaq in the MVP voting from '00-'02 when they won 3 straight.

MaxPlayer
08-17-2021, 11:07 PM
I didn't know a sidekick can win unanimous Finals MVP or finish 2nd in the MVP voting like LeBron did in 2020.

We all know for a fact that Kobe never even came close to sniffing a Finals MVP or even finished ahead of Shaq in the MVP voting from '00-'02 when they won 3 straight.

Exactly. Everyone knows Kobe was carried to his first 3 rings.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:07 PM
I didn't know a sidekick can win unanimous Finals MVP or finish 2nd in the MVP voting like LeBron did in 2000.

We all know for a fact that Kobe never even came close to sniffing a Finals MVP or even finished ahead of Shaq in the MVP voting when they 3-peated

Davis carried them to the finals and probably still deserved finals mvp with his defense even with lebron hijacking the finals offensively

don't even try and deny this fact. we all watched.. we amounted for a little over 70% of the total viewership but we all definitely saw what went down

Davis took lebron on his shoulders and carried him to that 5th seeded heat team that was missing 2 of its 3 best players

:lol

lebron pulled a 2001 Shaq sneak job

if there's one nice thing I can say about lebron. the man's a cunning little SOB

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:09 PM
Exactly. Everyone knows Kobe was carried to his first 3 rings.

carried is what kobe did for lebron in the 2008 gold medal game

kobe in 2000 saved shaqs a** twice then carried him to the finals in 2001 and equaled him in 2002

Aaaaannd cue the racoon boy spamming

kawhileonard2
08-17-2021, 11:09 PM
Also Lebron was scared to go against Kobe. Kobe owned that fool head to head.

Axe
08-17-2021, 11:13 PM
Kobe had a losing season after the 2004 collapse.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:13 PM
Also Lebron was scared to go against Kobe. Kobe owned that fool head to head.

he sure did. thanks for that. almost forgot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79





Kobe won their career 1 on 1 matchups BY 50+ points

ELITEpower23
08-17-2021, 11:13 PM
Also Lebron was scared to go against Kobe. Kobe owned that fool head to head.

LeBron was waiting for Kobe in the Finals in 2007. 2011. 2012. 2013. 2014. 2015. 2016. But Kobe never showed up.

kawhileonard2
08-17-2021, 11:14 PM
LeBron was waiting for Kobe in Finals in 2007. 2011. 2012. 2013. 2014. 2015. 2016. But Kobe never showed up.

Was was he in 2009, 2010 when they had equal teams?

Axe
08-17-2021, 11:14 PM
LeBron was waiting for Kobe in Finals in 2007. 2011. 2012. 2013. 2014. 2015. 2016. But Kobe never showed up.
Damn.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:15 PM
Kobe had a losing season after the 2004 collapse.

Kobe and Odom got injured and missed 20 games each and cause of that and personal problems Rudy T stepped down with a 24-19 record

they probly make the playoffs if everyone stays good. oh well

what's lebrons 2019 excuse again or is this a hypocrite thread


:lol

1987_Lakers
08-17-2021, 11:16 PM
Davis carried them to the finals and probably still deserved finals mvp with his defense even with lebron hijacking the finals offensively

don't even try and deny this fact. we all watched.. we amounted for a little over 70% of the total viewership but we all definitely saw what went down

Davis took lebron on his shoulders and carried him to that 5th seeded heat team that was missing 2 of its 3 best players

:lol

lebron pulled a 2001 Shaq sneak job

if there's one nice thing I can say about lebron. the man's a cunning little SOB
LeBron vs Blazers: 27/10/10 on 71 TS%
LeBron vs Rockets: 26/10/7/2 on 60 TS%
LeBron vs Nuggets: 27/10/9 on 61 TS%

But if you want to say he was carried go ahead. Bron & AD were pretty much 1A & 1B throughout the postseason then LeBron without a doubt outplayed AD in the Finals. Even LeBron hater Skip Bayless thought he should have won MVP over Giannis that year, if you watched the Lakers during the regular season in 2020, you would know it was LeBron who usually closed out the games in the 4th quarter.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:18 PM
Damn.

well maybe lebron shoulda made it in 2009 and 2010 when they both prime with contending teams

because in 2007 Kobe didn't have a team and by 2011 his knees were shot.

lebron did have the #1 seed in 2009 and was league mvp. did he get hurt?.. what happened. why did he lose to Dwight Howard with home court in his favor

seems odd.

Axe
08-17-2021, 11:19 PM
Kobe and Odom got injured and missed 20 games each and cause of that and personal problems Rudy T stepped down with a 24-19 record

they probly make the playoffs if everyone stays good. oh well

what's lebrons 2019 excuse again or is this a hypocrite thread


:lol
Reasons. But when phil came back to coach them after '05, they made the playoffs once again.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:19 PM
LeBron vs Blazers: 27/10/10 on 71 TS%
LeBron vs Rockets: 26/10/7/2 on 60 TS%
LeBron vs Nuggets: 27/10/9 on 61 TS%

But if you want to say he was carried go ahead. Bron & AD were pretty much 1A & 1B throughout the postseason then LeBron without a doubt outplayed AD in the Finals. Even LeBron hater Skip Bayless thought he should have won MVP over Giannis that year, if you watched the Lakers during the regular season in 2020, you would know it was LeBron who usually closed out the games in the 4th quarter.

Davis was putting up better numbers and was a dpoty candidate. quiet boy. try and at least stick to topics that can be argued

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:20 PM
Reasons. But when phil came back to coach them after '05, they made the playoffs once again.

they would have with Rudy T as well. the injuries and him stepping down basically made them tank. LeBron fans use the same excuse for 2019 so just move on little buddy

Smoke117
08-17-2021, 11:22 PM
I didn't know a sidekick can win unanimous Finals MVP or finish 2nd in the MVP voting like LeBron did in 2020.

We all know for a fact that Kobe never even came close to sniffing a Finals MVP or even finished ahead of Shaq in the MVP voting from '00-'02 when they won 3 straight.

Kenny taking L after L. :oldlol:

Axe
08-17-2021, 11:22 PM
they would have with Rudy T as well. the injuries and him stepping down basically made them tank. LeBron fans use the same excuse for 2019 so just move on little buddy
Lol doesn't explain the fact that kobe was selfish and insecure when he has to be a pippen beside shaq. At least kong knows how to elevate his teammates and isn't insecure if one of them leads the rest of his team instead.

Axe
08-17-2021, 11:24 PM
well maybe lebron shoulda made it in 2009 and 2010 when they both prime with contending teams

because in 2007 Kobe didn't have a team and by 2011 his knees were shot.

lebron did have the #1 seed in 2009 and was league mvp. did he get hurt?.. what happened. why did he lose to Dwight Howard with home court in his favor

seems odd.
How many times did kobe bryant went into the finals without the zen master as his mastermind? Zero i believe, despite thinking that the triangle by tex winter that the zm forces him to play with is dull.

1987_Lakers
08-17-2021, 11:24 PM
Davis was putting up better numbers and was a dpoty candidate. quiet boy. try and at least stick to topics that can be argued

No he wasn't, they were very similar numbers to be honest and if you watched the games you would know LeBron was clearly the better offensive player of the two and the closer while AD was the better defender. Hell, LeBron was also insanely good defensively vs the Rockets in that series, probably more so than AD.

“Nobody impacts winning more than LeBron James,” Vogel said. “That’s true for this season and it’s why he should be MVP. And, honestly it’s probably true in the history of the game. No one impacts winning more than LeBron James.” - Lakers coach Vogel in 2020.

kennygriffin
08-17-2021, 11:25 PM
Kenny taking L after L. :oldlol:

oh. you're still not banned for that comment from yesterday.

after I've been banned 5 times in a month for less. yeah I dunno Jeff. I'm a man of my word

ELITEpower23
08-17-2021, 11:26 PM
LeBron was waiting for Kobe in the Finals in 2007. 2011. 2012. 2013. 2014. 2015. 2016. But Kobe never showed up.

Ken?

1987_Lakers
08-17-2021, 11:39 PM
oh. you're still not banned for that comment from yesterday.

after I've been banned 5 times in a month for less. yeah I dunno Jeff. I'm a man of my word

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ELITEpower23
08-18-2021, 12:31 AM
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MrFonzworth
08-18-2021, 12:34 AM
Ken?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc200...ory?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...dleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ence-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...tter-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...los-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...f-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...lly-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...xpected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...n-is-the-FFOAT

:yaohappy:

SaintzFury13
08-18-2021, 04:45 AM
50+ win teams beaten to make the finals

Lebron:

2007 - Pistons = 53 wins
2011 - Celtics = 56 wins, Bulls = 62 wins
2012 - Pacers = 66% 50+ win pace
2013 - zero
2014 - Pacers = 56 wins
2015 - Bulls = 50 wins, Hawks = 60 wins
2016 - Raptors = 56 wins
2017 - Raptors = 51 wins, Celtics = 53 wins
2018 - Raptors = 59 wins, Celtics = 55 wins
2020 - Rockets = 61% 50+ win pace, Nuggets 63% 50+ win pace

total = 14 to make 10 finals ( even if you count a "pace" during a fake season )
Real total = 11


Kobe:

2000 - Suns = 53 wins, Portland = 59 wins
2001 - Portland = 50 wins, Kings = 55 wins, Spurs = 58 wins
2002 - Spurs = 58 wins, Kings = 61 wins
2004 - Spurs = 57 wins, Wolves = 58 wins
2008 - Nuggets = 50 wins, Jazz = 54 wins, Spurs = 56 wins
2009 - Rockets = 53 wins, Nuggets = 54 wins
2010 - Thunder = 50 wins, Jazz = 53 wins, Suns = 54 wins

total = 17 to make 7 finals




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This is one of the most pathetic Kobe>LeBron threads I've ever seen.

000
08-18-2021, 07:50 AM
50+ win teams beaten to make the finals

Lebron:

2007 - Pistons = 53 wins
2011 - Celtics = 56 wins, Bulls = 62 wins
2012 - Pacers = 66% 50+ win pace
2013 - zero
2014 - Pacers = 56 wins
2015 - Bulls = 50 wins, Hawks = 60 wins
2016 - Raptors = 56 wins
2017 - Raptors = 51 wins, Celtics = 53 wins
2018 - Raptors = 59 wins, Celtics = 55 wins
2020 - Rockets = 61% 50+ win pace, Nuggets 63% 50+ win pace

total = 14 to make 10 finals ( even if you count a "pace" during a fake season )
Real total = 11


Kobe:

2000 - Suns = 53 wins, Portland = 59 wins
2001 - Portland = 50 wins, Kings = 55 wins, Spurs = 58 wins
2002 - Spurs = 58 wins, Kings = 61 wins
2004 - Spurs = 57 wins, Wolves = 58 wins
2008 - Nuggets = 50 wins, Jazz = 54 wins, Spurs = 56 wins
2009 - Rockets = 53 wins, Nuggets = 54 wins
2010 - Thunder = 50 wins, Jazz = 53 wins, Suns = 54 wins

total = 17 to make 7 finals




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Bro what the fuсk are you talking about?! Kobe is trash as hell, he got bailed out by "gasoft" in the 4th qrt. Lmfao

ImKobe
08-18-2021, 12:20 PM
No he wasn't, they were very similar numbers to be honest and if you watched the games you would know LeBron was clearly the better offensive player of the two and the closer while AD was the better defender. Hell, LeBron was also insanely good defensively vs the Rockets in that series, probably more so than AD.

“Nobody impacts winning more than LeBron James,” Vogel said. “That’s true for this season and it’s why he should be MVP. And, honestly it’s probably true in the history of the game. No one impacts winning more than LeBron James.” - Lakers coach Vogel in 2020.

Nope. AD hit the biggest shot in the Playoffs & was clearly the best player through the first 3 rounds, Lakers played a joke of a team in the finals with Bam & Dragic injured so Lebron iced out AD to chase his FMVP and got it, the only reason the series didn't go 7 was because Vogel finally put AD on Jimmy.

AD had the better on/off numbers, higher WS, obviously led the Lakers in scoring for the POs and was much more efficient (5.5 ppg 66.49%TS vs. Lebron's 7 ppg 57.45%, +0.9 to Lebron's -0.6 net rating in the 4th) than Lebron in 4th quarters.

Ryoka Narusawa
08-18-2021, 12:24 PM
No he has not

1987_Lakers
08-18-2021, 12:58 PM
Nope. AD hit the biggest shot in the Playoffs & was clearly the best player through the first 3 rounds, Lakers played a joke of a team in the finals with Bam & Dragic injured so Lebron iced out AD to chase his FMVP and got it, the only reason the series didn't go 7 was because Vogel finally put AD on Jimmy.

AD had the better on/off numbers, higher WS, obviously led the Lakers in scoring for the POs and was much more efficient (5.5 ppg 66.49%TS vs. Lebron's 7 ppg 57.45%, +0.9 to Lebron's -0.6 net rating in the 4th) than Lebron in 4th quarters.

It was LeBron who also closed out Denver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ13yupFgqM

Your arguments are dumb, "LeBron iced out AD to win Finals MVP against a weak team". If it was that easy, Kobe would have iced out Shaq in the 2002 NBA Finals to win MVP since guards dictate where the ball goes. And nowhere did you mention LeBron's huge edge in playmaking, LeBron with his scoring and all-time great passing alone makes him comfortably ahead of AD as an offensive player, both pretty much averaged the same amount of points. LeBron is the guy creating shots for other guys, not AD.

We have seen AD in the past put him huge numbers with the Pelicans only to not even make the playoffs or lose in the 1st round, that to me tells me that his impact is not as good as the stats say. Just imagine LeBron having a 28/12/2/2 season only to go 34-48 like the Pelicans did in 2017, a prime and healthy LeBron would NEVER let that happen. Coach Vogel said it best, nobody impacts winning more than LeBron.

You also go from LeBron iced out AD cause Miami was a joke to AD being on Butler is the reason why it didn't go 7, if Miami was a joke they had no reason in taking the Lakers 7 games, which is it?

SouBeachTalents
08-18-2021, 01:00 PM
It was LeBron who also closed out Denver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ13yupFgqM

Your arguments are dumb, "LeBron iced out AD to win Finals MVP against a weak team". If it was that easy, Kobe would have iced out Shaq in the 2002 NBA Finals to win MVP since guards dictate where the ball goes. And nowhere did you mention LeBron's huge edge in playmaking, LeBron with his scoring and all-time great passing alone makes him comfortably ahead of AD as an offensive player, both pretty much averaged the same amount of points. LeBron is the guy creating shots for other guys, not AD.

We have seen AD in the past put him huge numbers with the Pelicans only to not even make the playoffs or lose in the 1st round, that to me tells me that his impact is not as good as the stats say. Just imagine LeBron having a 28/12/2/2 only to go 34-48 like the Pelicans did in 2017, a prime and healthy LeBron would NEVER let that happen. Coach Vogel said it best, nobody impacts winning more than LeBron.
Bro, you're arguing with someone who believes AD carried LeBron AND Kobe was better than Shaq :lol