LeMelo Ball's idea on School.

[bobopenguin]

“We not trippin' off school. We not dumb. We know how to learn. We don't need school. And school not even teachin' you sh!t—what the f*ck is school?”

-LaMelo Ball on skipping College
(Via GQ) pic.twitter.com/E9uM2iwQPN

— NBA Central (@TheNBACentral) August 17, 2021


oh boy.

[RRR3]

Based school abolitionist LaMelo :bowdown:

Nice to see a fellow anarchist.

[MrFonzworth]

Based school abolitionist LaMelo :bowdown:

Nice to see a fellow anarchist.

He would get a restraining order against you if you ever tried to talk to him irl

[FultzNationRISE]

I mean tbh Lemelo Balls is right in the sense that school is actually pointless for most of the public. Few people retain much of what they learn from K-12.

You cant learn unless you want to, and most people just arent born with much desire to learn broadly. Humanity is inclined toward specialization. Most of which comes through experience, it doesnt especially require a lot of time in public schools.

Outside of their specific vocational field, most people are content to be lifelong ignoramuses.

[DoctorP]

the downfall of society continues.

when your job is to put the ball in the hole and you make a billion you can be retarded.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkOxJF1wiWY

[Spurs m8]

He would get a restraining order against you if you ever tried to talk to him irl

:roll:

[Sulico]

He is right though.

[HylianNightmare]

The public education needs a complete overhaul

[Axe]

Because the GOP wants guns allowed in these schools but face masks are a big no-no. That's why they end up being a mess.

[Manny98]

School = Brainwashing

School is designed to dumb you down and teaches you not to question authority and follow orders. It's main purpose is to prepare you for the corporate workplace of working for the next man up

LaMelo is right, don't need school and education to learn and be smart

[Real Men Wear Green]

He is most likely speaking from his own perspective. He individually does not need a degree in anything. He would be wise to learn enough about business and the world to not get taken advantage of (like his brother was via BBB) but school doesn't really teach you that.

Now if you are not on course to make millions in some entertainment field you will almost definitely be better off if you go to school. (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/08/major-decisions-what-graduates-earn-over-their-lifetimes/#:~:text=At%20the%20median%2C%20career%20earnings, someone%20with%20an%20associate%20degree.)

[FireDavidKahn]

That paragraph says the exact opposite.

[Lebowski]

School is designed to dumb you down and teaches you not to question authority and follow orders.

That explains a lot.

[imdaman99]

You need school so you can have legitimate conversations with everyone else. But to be honest, you really don't learn shit in school so I can't disagree with him, use school to network and make friends that might be able to help you out to get ahead in life. It's not what you know but who you know. Of course he revised what he said if you a doc, best get your azz in school :oldlol:

If you're rich and famous like him, no he doesn't need to meet girls in school. But the rest of us??? Find you a nice gf or 2, it's the easiest place to meet the opposite sex and have actual conversations. Once you're older, it gets harder.

[FultzNationRISE]

He is most likely speaking from his own perspective. He individually does not need a degree in anything. He would be wise to learn enough about business and the world to not get taken advantage of (like his brother was via BBB) but school doesn't really teach you that.

Now if you are not on course to make millions in some entertainment field you will almost definitely be better off if you go to school. (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/08/major-decisions-what-graduates-earn-over-their-lifetimes/#:~:text=At%20the%20median%2C%20career%20earnings, someone%20with%20an%20associate%20degree.)

He would get a restraining order against you if you ever tried to talk to him irl

[GOBB]

He is most likely speaking from his own perspective. He individually does not need a degree in anything. He would be wise to learn enough about business and the world to not get taken advantage of (like his brother was via BBB) but school doesn't really teach you that.

Now if you are not on course to make millions in some entertainment field you will almost definitely be better off if you go to school. (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/08/major-decisions-what-graduates-earn-over-their-lifetimes/#:~:text=At%20the%20median%2C%20career%20earnings, someone%20with%20an%20associate%20degree.)

True. Go to college for 4 years and accumulate debts only to find someone telling you a college degree is something most people have. So if you want to really cut in front of the line? Get your Masters which is more debt. Then you can’t find a job because you realize networking and who you know > degree (in most cases not all). So now you have a career outside of your major paying back student loans which matters since it affects your credit.

So yeah you’re better off going to college.

[ralph_i_el]

I think education is very important, but much of the American public school system is very bad. I was lucky to get a really good public k-12 education and to live in a state with top public colleges, so I didn't really experience the problems that a lot of people had. In school they taught me to think critically and question everything. I went to a specialty school for science, so I took twice as many lab science classes as most students, and they were really well funded. I didn't end up using those skills, but my younger siblings all got high paying careers in technology (my brother is a network architect with a high clearance, and my sister is a bio-medical policy consultant). A lot of folks in areas with good education don't want other people to have access to the same opportunities, because it means more competition for their kids. I disagree with that attitude. I used to work in finance, but I quit to become a teacher and coach. I'm working on getting into the administration and policy end of things to help reform the system.

I can't really blame someone for thinking school is pointless if they've only ever been in bad schools. I saw some really awful schools when I used to substitute teach as a college student.

[ELITEpower23]

True. Go to college for 4 years and accumulate debts only to find someone telling you a college degree is something most people have. So if you want to really cut in front of the line? Get your Masters which is more debt. Then you can’t find a job because you realize networking and who you know > degree (in most cases not all). So now you have a career outside of your major paying back student loans which matters since it affects your credit.

So yeah you’re better off going to college.

People that say college isnt worth it

•99% = under achievers that make excuses
•1% = Mark Zuckerburg/Bill Gates

Most fall under the 99%

[Druckenmiller]

My wife and I make about $400k per year and neither of us graduated college. I joined the military, she dropped out of law school as she worked her way up a large corporations

College gives you legitimacy and proves to an employer that you’re at least capable of completing a task. It also teaches a lot of people key social skills and how to interact with people you might not even know existed in whatever pocket of the world you can’t from.

But it can’t teach you vision, motivation or a work ethic.

The most important thing for anyone to hear is the famous quote by sociologist Malcolm Gladeell who said it takes 10,000 hours to perfect a craft. Once you’ve perfected a craft you’re a commodity that has real earning power through traditional employer or entrepreneurship.

The problem for most people is an unwillingness to invest 10,000 hours in anything past watching TV, playing X Box or jacking off.

[GOBB]

People that say college isnt worth it

•99% = under achievers that make excuses
•1% = Mark Zuckerburg/Bill Gates

Most fall under the 99%

You gotta deal with reality my boy. And I never said college isn’t worth it. Just that it’s not the end all be all to being successful in life Plenty of options available because college isn’t for everyone. Some have a great experience. Others don’t. But to try and shame, down, make feel less of themselves for those who choose not to go to college? That’s wrong.

[fsvr54]

I never went to college and sometimes I regret it. I still haven't found a niche in life and am tired of being poor and looking for shit jobs.

[GOBB]

My wife and I make about $400k per year and neither of us graduated college. I joined the military, she dropped out of law school as she worked her way up a large corporations

College gives you legitimacy and proves to an employer that you’re at least capable of completing a task. It also teaches a lot of people key social skills and how to interact with people you might not even know existed in whatever pocket of the world you can’t from.

But it can’t teach you vision, motivation or a work ethic.

The most important thing for anyone to hear is the famous quote by sociologist Malcolm Gladeell who said it takes 10,000 hours to perfect a craft. Once you’ve perfected a craft you’re a commodity that has real earning power through traditional employer or entrepreneurship.

The problem for most people is an unwillingness to invest 10,000 hours in anything past watching TV, playing X Box or jacking off.

Great quote. It’s true.

[Bronbron23]

He is right though.

Na man. School especially college teaches plenty. At the very least it teaches the foundation of whatever career a person wants to get into. That said it's not for everyone. You shouldn't just go to go. The old school thought that everyone should go to college is dead. It's just a waste of time and money if you don't know what you want to do.

[FultzNationRISE]

I think education is very important, but much of the American public school system is very bad. I was lucky to get a really good public k-12 education and to live in a state with top public colleges, so I didn't really experience the problems that a lot of people had. In school they taught me to think critically and question everything. I went to a specialty school for science, so I took twice as many lab science classes as most students, and they were really well funded. I didn't end up using those skills, but my younger siblings all got high paying careers in technology (my brother is a network architect with a high clearance, and my sister is a bio-medical policy consultant). A lot of folks in areas with good education don't want other people to have access to the same opportunities, because it means more competition for their kids. I disagree with that attitude. I used to work in finance, but I quit to become a teacher and coach. I'm working on getting into the administration and policy end of things to help reform the system.

I can't really blame someone for thinking school is pointless if they've only ever been in bad schools. I saw some really awful schools when I used to substitute teach as a college student.


Yeah, school is pretty much what makes the difference between success and failure.

Guys like Anthony Bennet and Michael Beasley got to learn high level basketball by playing a year at college, and this prepared them for the NBA better than guys like Lebron, KG and Kobe. People in general all have equal talents, what makes the difference is how well a teachers union or NCAA board of directors is paid to give em a education.

[ELITEpower23]

You gotta deal with reality my boy. And I never said college isn’t worth it. Just that it’s not the end all be all to being successful in life Plenty of options available because college isn’t for everyone. Some have a great experience. Others don’t. But to try and shame, down, make feel less of themselves for those who choose not to go to college? That’s wrong.

Not shaming anybody. Most, not all but most people who talk badly about college are underachiever/excuse makers .

Does everyone "need" to go to college? Of course not.

Will college help nearly everyone that goes? Of course.

[ELITEpower23]

I never went to college and sometimes I regret it. I still haven't found a niche in life and am tired of being poor and looking for shit jobs.

Someone who's honest and authentic. :cheers: I appreciate the honesty.

Many people feel that way but few will admit it. I felt the same at one point in my life before finally finishing my Master's degree so I feel you.

[Charlie Sheen]

True. Go to college for 4 years and accumulate debts only to find someone telling you a college degree is something most people have. So if you want to really cut in front of the line? Get your Masters which is more debt. Then you can’t find a job because you realize networking and who you know > degree (in most cases not all). So now you have a career outside of your major paying back student loans which matters since it affects your credit.

So yeah you’re better off going to college.

How much debt do you think a 2 year juco transfer to a state school is graduating with?

[StrongLurk]

Hilarious seeing some of these posters saying school didn't teach them much...the reality is you all were most likely very poor students who weren't interested in learning much in the first place...so yes school is a waste for you, just like most things in life will be a waste for you because you have low motivation and work ethic.

[GOBB]

Someone who's honest and authentic. :cheers: I appreciate the honesty.

Many people feel that way but few will admit it. I felt the same at one point in my life before finally finishing my Master's degree so I feel you.

He’s trolling. Can’t believe you fell for that. Then again it’s fits together narrative so not too shocking.

[GOBB]

How much debt do you think a 2 year juco transfer to a state school is graduating with?

I don’t know. Why do you ask? I know community college in my city is cheap. And the hustle some of these colleges have is they won’t allow every credit you took over that 2 year span to transfer over. All because they want you to spend more money at their institution taking BS cases so long as you pay. My point is I wouldn’t invest 4 years at a major university when half the time it’s a bunch of courses that don’t always have a thing to do with the major you selected. Generally you only get into the meat of a major after year 2. Again this doesn’t apply to every major so I don’t want to hear about a major where this isn’t the case.

[ELITEpower23]

He’s trolling. Can’t believe you fell for that. Then again it’s fits together narrative so not too shocking.

Are you okay?

[GOBB]

Not shaming anybody. Most, not all but most people who talk badly about college are underachiever/excuse makers .

Does everyone "need" to go to college? Of course not.

Will college help nearly everyone that goes? Of course.

So just by your posts you were an underachiever and excuse maker. Who buckled up, went back to college. Even as far as getting your Masters. You feel accomplished. You feel good about yourself. And you should. Congratulations.

[SouBeachTalents]

In general, I think the average person would be better off with a college degree than without. But college is definitely not for everyone, I'm sure there are plenty of people who have done well or carved out a decent living without getting a college degree. But I'm for sure not taking anything LaMelo Ball has to say about life seriously :lol

[ELITEpower23]

I don’t know. Why do you ask? I know community college in my city is cheap. And the hustle some of these colleges have is they won’t allow every credit you took over that 2 year span to transfer over. All because they want you to spend more money at their institution taking BS cases so long as you pay. My point is I wouldn’t invest 4 years at a major university when half the time it’s a bunch of courses that don’t always have a thing to do with the major you selected. Generally you only get into the meat of a major after year 2. Again this doesn’t apply to every major so I don’t want to hear about a major where this isn’t the case.

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

Not surprising.

[GOBB]

Are you okay?

I’m fantastic. Are you?

[GOBB]

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

Not surprising.

Excuses? How do you have a Masters degree and can’t comprehend what’s said? Thought college helped you.

[ELITEpower23]

Excuses? How do you have a Masters degree and can’t comprehend what’s said? Thought college helped you.

Are you worried college is going to hustle you for credits :lol Come on man, you're way off base here.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don’t know. Why do you ask? I know community college in my city is cheap. And the hustle some of these colleges have is they won’t allow every credit you took over that 2 year span to transfer over. All because they want you to spend more money at their institution taking BS cases so long as you pay. My point is I wouldn’t invest 4 years at a major university when half the time it’s a bunch of courses that don’t always have a thing to do with the major you selected. Generally you only get into the meat of a major after year 2. Again this doesn’t apply to every major so I don’t want to hear about a major where this isn’t the case.

It's not about any major or anything like that.

My nephew is getting ready to start college. I was helping him register and apply for financial aid. He showed me what the advisor mapped out for him. If he wanted to go somewhere like UCLA, he was gonna graduate with like 60k in debt. If he chose a cal state school, it would be like 25k.

He chose UCLA. My brother and his wife fill his head with the idea that prestige is worth paying for. They're also borrowing money from me for as long as he's been alive. The people making these choices, my nephew included, I agree with your point.

I tried to talk him into the juco road and slice his debt in half. It was surprising how doing taking that road would lead to a 4yr degree without the life crippling debt. 12k is less than a car.

[8Ball]

I never went to college and sometimes I regret it. I still haven't found a niche in life and am tired of being poor and looking for shit jobs.

Hope things get better for you brother.

What skills do you think you are really good at?

[8Ball]

Someone who's honest and authentic. :cheers: I appreciate the honesty.

Many people feel that way but few will admit it. I felt the same at one point in my life before finally finishing my Master's degree so I feel you.

I always knew there was high IQ in you by the way you post. :cheers:

[ELITEpower23]

I always knew there was high IQ in you by the way you post. :cheers:

Game recognize game

:cheers:

[GOBB]

Are you worried college is going to hustle you for credits :lol Come on man, you're way off base here.

Yeah you clearly lack common sense. Something a masters degree doesn’t help you with

[GOBB]

It's not about any major or anything like that.

My nephew is getting ready to start college. I was helping him register and apply for financial aid. He showed me what the advisor mapped out for him. If he wanted to go somewhere like UCLA, he was gonna graduate with like 60k in debt. If he chose a cal state school, it would be like 25k.

He chose UCLA. My brother and his wife fill his head with the idea that prestige is worth paying for. They're also borrowing money from me for as long as he's been alive. The people making these choices, my nephew included, I agree with your point.

I tried to talk him into the juco road and slice his debt in half. It was surprising how doing taking that road would lead to a 4yr degree without the life crippling debt. 12k is less than a car.

Gotcha. Yeah we are on the same page. The debt after college is a b*tch. You offered him some great advice.

[FultzNationRISE]

In general, I think the average person would be better off with a college degree than without. But college is definitely not for everyone, I'm sure there are plenty of people who have done well or carved out a decent living without getting a college degree. But I'm for sure not taking anything LaMelo Ball has to say about life seriously :lol

The roots of higher education began as a dignified way for adolescent men from well-off families to fill idle time, since they had no need to labor for a living upon reaching adulthood - unlike most of the population - but were also not ready to make meaningful decisions relating to the family fortune.

College was never created as a "prepare for a job" mechanism. It was a dignified way for young men of wealthy families to spend their free time. As the era of nobility and land ownership gave way to corporate management jobs, people who'd been to college were presumed to be of good background and breeding, and therefore likely to make good candidates for these new kinds of management jobs.

Over time, the public began correlating "going to college" with "getting a good job," and consequently making the superficial induction that college makes you good at a job. They didn't realize that the whole point of selecting college candidates was because they were an exclusive lot, and that college itself does not prepare one for vocation, and therefore if everyone has a degree the whole concept becomes meaningless.

Ofc the education industry became wildly profitable, and it was quickly realized how much money adults could make off giving loans to young people and selling them expensive textbooks (which somehow change every year and require replacing), all "for to get good at the college to get a good jobs" and ofc most people do what theyre told, do what society expects, and voila... BIG $$$. Go look up political campaign donations these days and TONS of it comes from colleges.

Imagine thinking it's economically sound to have people in their absolute physical and energetic prime spending four years listening to a teachers assistant rant about feminism. "Because you gotta havs the degree to get a good job." This is the kind of thing people just repeat because it's conventional wisdom, and give no actual thought to how ridiculous it is.

If you know you want to work in a specific industry that is competitive and requires lots of learned information, then of course a degree will be necessary. But if EVEROYNE, or "the average person" has a degree... the world is still gonna need janitors. So then what's the point? The idea that people who aren't suited personally to complex careers should go to college anyway, just to say they got a degree, is absurd and is a fallacy and a con.

[8Ball]

University where I live cost me a total of 12k for a degree in business so I went and got one.

If you are thinking of spending 60k to go get some arts degree I would heavily rethink that strategy.

Some degrees are not worth the money spent to get them.

[90sgoat]

Reject humanity, return to monke.

[GOBB]

The roots of higher education began as a dignified way for adolescent men from well-off families to fill idle time, since they had no need to labor for a living upon reaching adulthood - unlike most of the population - but were also not ready to make meaningful decisions relating to the family fortune.

College was never created as a "prepare for a job" mechanism. It was a dignified way for young men of wealthy families to spend their free time. As the era of nobility and land ownership gave way to corporate management jobs, people who'd been to college were presumed to be of good background and breeding, and therefore likely to make good candidates for these new kinds of management jobs.

Over time, the public began correlating "going to college" with "getting a good job," and consequently making the superficial induction that college makes you good at a job. They didn't realize that the whole point of selecting college candidates was because they were an exclusive lot, and that college itself does not prepare one for vocation, and therefore if everyone has a degree the whole concept becomes meaningless.

Ofc the education industry became wildly profitable, and it was quickly realized how much money adults could make off giving loans to young people and selling them expensive textbooks (which somehow change every year and require replacing), all "for to get good at the college to get a good jobs" and ofc most people do what theyre told, do what society expects, and voila... BIG $$$. Go look up political campaign donations these days and TONS of it comes from colleges.

Imagine thinking it's economically sound to have people in their absolute physical and energetic prime spending four years listening to a teachers assistant rant about feminism. "Because you gotta havs the degree to get a good job." This is the kind of thing people just repeat because it's conventional wisdom, and give no actual thought to how ridiculous it is.

If you know you want to work in a specific industry that is competitive and requires lots of learned information, then of course a degree will be necessary. But if EVEROYNE, or "the average person" has a degree... the world is still gonna need janitors. So then what's the point? The idea that people who aren't suited personally to complex careers should go to college anyway, just to say they got a degree, is absurd and is a fallacy and a con.

Great post.

[fsvr54]

Hope things get better for you brother.

What skills do you think you are really good at?

That's tough because I don't specialize in anything...I've worked restaurant jobs to parking jobs. I'm general good at dealing with people even if I don't enjoy it, I understand computers well enough, can knock out assignments fast, quick learner, smoke dudes on the basketball court, good driver....as you see it's just a bunch of vague attributes. I feel like at the very least I can learn most things faster than the average person; I wish there were more great jobs that actually taught you on the job.

[ELITEpower23]

Yeah you clearly lack common sense. Something a masters degree doesn’t help you with

You're the one clearly lacking common sense. More and more excuses from you.

Lemme guess...construction?

[GOBB]

That's tough because I don't specialize in anything...I've worked restaurant jobs to parking jobs. I'm general good at dealing with people even if I don't enjoy it, I understand computers well enough, can knock out assignments fast, quick learner, smoke dudes on the basketball court, good driver....as you see it's just a bunch of vague attributes. I feel like at the very least I can learn most things faster than the average person; I wish there were more great jobs that actually taught you on the job.

Find a trade. Hvac tech comes to mind. Bunch of them.

[GOBB]

You're the one clearly lacking common sense. More and more excuses from you.

Lemme guess...construction?

Construction? No. I’m educated. I don’t know why you keep screaming excuses when you are only giving me what you did in your personal life. Which was make excuses until you woke up. Again congrats.

[ralph_i_el]

University where I live cost me a total of 12k for a degree in business so I went and got one.

If you are thinking of spending 60k to go get some arts degree I would heavily rethink that strategy.

Some degrees are not worth the money spent to get them.

For sure^


That's tough because I don't specialize in anything...I've worked restaurant jobs to parking jobs. I'm general good at dealing with people even if I don't enjoy it, I understand computers well enough, can knock out assignments fast, quick learner, smoke dudes on the basketball court, good driver....as you see it's just a bunch of vague attributes. I feel like at the very least I can learn most things faster than the average person; I wish there were more great jobs that actually taught you on the job.

Can you pass a drug test (once)?Get in as a union electrical apprentice. You get paid and taught on the job. The competition for these types of things vary by where you live. You want to go somewhere that is growing, because that's where the demand for trades are increasing. I know a few folks who have gone this route. It can also be a good path towards starting a business of your own.

[fsvr54]

Thanks a lot for the advice fellas.

I will look into those things. Also doesn't help that Miami has a shit job market and you're constantly dealing/working with people who know zero English and hook their illegal buddies up with jobs.

[Charlie Sheen]

University where I live cost me a total of 12k for a degree in business so I went and got one.

If you are thinking of spending 60k to go get some arts degree I would heavily rethink that strategy.

Some degrees are not worth the money spent to get them.

An 18 year old with both parents who can't manage money is not equipped to make these decisions. Even specialized degrees like engineering and accounting aren't a golden ticket to well paying jobs. By the time my nephew realizes what a massive hill to climb that 60k in debt in front of him it, it's too late. He won't have the skills to compete in the job market when he's spending the next 4 years of his life expecting recruiters to roll out the red carpet for him upon graduation because he chose UCLA over more affordable schools.

[GOBB]

An 18 year old with both parents who can't manage money is not equipped to make these decisions. Even specialized degrees like engineering and accounting aren't a golden ticket to well paying jobs. By the time my nephew realizes what a massive hill to climb that 60k in debt in front of him it, it's too late. He won't have the skills to compete in the job market when he's spending the next 4 years of his life expecting recruiters to roll out the red carpet for him upon graduation because he chose UCLA over more affordable schools.

Facts.

[And1AllDay]

degrees could be nice but not all degree holders are smart some are lazy af and dumb

plus some get dumb sh1t ones like lesbian dance studies

[DoctorP]

Reject humanity, return to monke.

:lol

[D-Wait]

Not saying I agree with him, but school was the most depressing, ****ed up time of my life. To sit there all day like a zombie. With lots of whisky, I somehow got through it, but I couldn't take that shit today.

College was the total opposite for me.