2011 Dirk vs. 2021 Giannis

[dankok8]

Who is the better player?

[Lebron23]

Who is the better player?

2021 Giannis. Better all around player. Put up better numbers in the finals.

[warriorfan]

2021 Giannis. Better all around player. Put up better numbers in the finals.

Played against better competition too.

[beasted]

All Dirk did was score and he did it on bad efficiency in the Finals. Giannis scored, rebounded, passed, and defended his tail off.

[Bronbron23]

Who is the better player?

On a quick glance greek is the obvious answer because of his impact on the other half of the game but the one thing dirk had on greek was his ability to hit tough shots in the clutch when the game slowed down and became a more half court game. Plus dirk won his chip when defense was still kind if allowed. Not sure how greek would fare with actual defense. That said it's close. It's a pick em for me but greek is still young and still improving so if he continues to improve greek will be the better player

[Doomsday Dallas]

Giannis has already surpassed Dirk on the GOAT list.

Giannis is a rare talent that people should've paid their respects to way before he even won a ring.

There's no reason why he can't be a dominate force and a threat in the playoffs for the next 10 years.


before 2011 Dirk was seen as soft, couldn't play D, choker etc. Not many people had hope he'd ever get it done .... 2011 Dirk is the greatest NBA story of all time.

2016 Cavs trying to say their story is better, and I'll admit it's close, but since it was Lebron (and his Super Team) that we defeated then I still have to say our ring is better

2011 Mavs Ring > 2016 Cavs Ring



Giannis has potential to be one of the greats, probably won't surpass Duncan, Kobe or Bird, but close to that level... maybe Hakeem.

[Carbine]

I really believe 2011 Dirk. I remember watching it when it happened.

Giannis competition doesn't compare either. Like it's comparing having a Wimbledon with Fed/Joker/Nadal in it to one that only had Joker. Dirk had to go through the monsters.

I think just bringing up stats doesn't do it justice for Dirk. You had to be watching the games at the time, he made a significant amount of timely shots during the run. He seemed as unguardable and impactful of an offensive player that I've seen to be honest in 20+ years of watching the NBA during that running its entirety. You always here about the gravity Steph has and how it distorts defenses, Dirk in that playoff run was even above that to my eye.

[Gohan]

Dirk and it isnt even close. These posters have low iq. Dirks had a tougher rd

[tpols]

Who is the better player?

Dirk had to go through one of the most brutal gauntlets of all time while giannis faced an injury plagued joke lineup of opponents. Its not even close.

[Pointguard]

Dirk had to go through one of the most brutal gauntlets of all time while giannis faced an injury plagued joke lineup of opponents. Its not even close.

Dirk didn't go through a brutal gauntlet. Kobe (RIP) played like trash and Lebron was the finals MVP for Dallas. I doubt Wade, Durant and Kobe ever had another series where Dirk outscored them? Yet, when Dirk is past his prime he decimates them primarily because of their hideous play. Yet nobody talks about Kid's defense (Westbrook, Wade, Kobe) or Marion's defense (Lebron, Durant, Odom) All of whom had among their worst playoff performances ever. And not one of those players could you say was mentally on their game (Wade is arguable). These were easily the greatest defensive stands ever in a playoff run. All of those guys were in their prime and their effectiveness was wiped. And please don't lie and say they played like leaders of their teams because they didn't. The rest of their teams played like their leaders.

[Gileraracer]

Dirk had to go through one of the most brutal gauntlets of all time while giannis faced an injury plagued joke lineup of opponents. Its not even close.

this. Dirks run was legendary, cant say the same about Giannis' in 2021.

That being said, Giannis is a force i don't want to bash on him.

[Axe]

Dirk had to go through one of the most brutal gauntlets of all time while giannis faced an injury plagued joke lineup of opponents. Its not even close.
Oof, this guy is so bitter about the fact that giannis beat stephen curry to having a finals mvp first.

[dankok8]

I made this thread to see what people think but for me it's clearly Giannis. His all-around game is just far above Dirk's and even the scoring display he put up was pretty damn impressive. You can say he won the title because of luck and he did but his level of play is what made me make this thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk didn't go through a brutal gauntlet. Kobe (RIP) played like trash and Lebron was the finals MVP for Dallas. I doubt Wade, Durant and Kobe ever had another series where Dirk outscored them? Yet, when Dirk is past his prime he decimates them primarily because of their hideous play. Yet nobody talks about Kid's defense (Westbrook, Wade, Kobe) or Marion's defense (Lebron, Durant, Odom) All of whom had among their worst playoff performances ever. And not one of those players could you say was mentally on their game (Wade is arguable). These were easily the greatest defensive stands ever in a playoff run. All of those guys were in their prime and their effectiveness was wiped. And please don't lie and say they played like leaders of their teams because they didn't. The rest of their teams played like their leaders.
Wow, I didn't think there'd actually be someone else who would agree with me on this point :lol Dirk's run gets overrated imo considering, like you said, he legitimately beat the worst versions of LeBron & Kobe in their primes. Honestly, neither of them were even better than Jason Terry was in those series. And it'd be one thing if it were a Hakeem/Ewing situation where Hakeem was directly responsible for Ewing's struggles, but Dirk had literally nothing to do with LeBron and Kobe struggling that badly.

And I'm honestly not even trying to take anything away from Dirk, it was still an impressive run where he was incredibly clutch throughout the playoffs, but far too often people ignore context when discussing that title run and don't acknowledge LeBron & Kobe were both awful in those series.

[Phoenix]

The most impressive thing about Dirk's run, for me, was I thought his window of winning a chip had closed, especially since the Heat were expected to dominate immediately and teams like the Lakers/Celtics were still around and a team like OKC ascending. It's been a decade now but some people forget that the idea of Bron and Wade coming together back in 2010, at the levels they were at that point, was every bit the 'holy fukk!' moment KD joining Curry was in 2016.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The most impressive thing about Dirk's run, for me, was I thought his window of winning a chip had closed, especially since the Heat were expected to dominate immediately and teams like the Lakers/Celtics were still around and a team like OKC ascending. It's been a decade now but some people forget that the idea of Bron and Wade coming together back in 2010, at the levels they were at that point, was every bit the 'holy fukk!' moment KD joining Curry was in 2016.

Maybe one day Luka can put up a 2011 dirk type run. If he ever stops getting eliminated by papa

[Phoenix]

Maybe one day Luka can put up a 2011 dirk type run. If he ever stops getting eliminated by papa

Luka hasn't gotten jizzed on by a 7'1 Windhorst though. You can @me if and when he does.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Luka hasn't gotten jizzed on by a 7'1 Windhorst though. You can @me if and when he does.

2 finals mvps vs 1 single west finals win vs 5 total playoff wins


Taking the 2 finals mvps guy all day. Luka has also been eliminated by kawhi outside the bubble, that's the only thing that counts. Bubble doesn't count, even butler eliminated giannis in the bubble.

[Phoenix]

2 finals mvps vs 1 single west finals win vs 5 total playoff wins


Taking the 2 finals mvps guy all day. Luka has also been eliminated by kawhi outside the bubble, that's the only thing that counts. Bubble doesn't count, even butler eliminated giannis in the bubble.

It's almost like with the team Kawhi has with the Clippers, he should be winning these matchups? Dallas shouldn't have even taken the Clips to the limit hahahahaha. How embarrassing that 3 years into his career, Luka can already go toe to toe with peak Kawhi. This shouldn't even be a discussion yet, and yet it is.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's almost like with the team Kawhi has with the Clippers, he should be winning these matchups? Dallas shouldn't have even taken the Clips to the limit hahahahaha. How embarrassing that 3 years into his career, Luka can already go toe to toe with peak Kawhi. This shouldn't even be a discussion yet, and yet it is.

5-8 ball overall

Failed to win a home playoff game

Lost 4 out of 5 straight

That going toe to toe?

Kawhi in his 3rd year was already finals co leading scorer and eliminating LeBron and beating him 4-1

[SouBeachTalents]

5-8 ball overall

Failed to win a home playoff game

Lost 4 out of 5 straight

That going toe to toe?

Kawhi in his 3rd year was already finals co leading scorer and eliminating LeBron and beating him 4-1
Role player ring, literally one of the 5 weakest FMVP's ever

[Phoenix]

5-8 ball overall

Failed to win a home playoff game

Lost 4 out of 5 straight

That going toe to toe?

Kawhi in his 3rd year was already finals co leading scorer and eliminating LeBron and beating him 4-1

In terms of mano a mano, umm yes. The Clippers have won both series moreso on the back of being the better team. Or are we acting like Kawhi beats Luka if they switched teams? A Luka led Clips squad would murk a Kawhit-led Mavs team.

Kawhit by year 3 was a role player who won finals MVP on a team who already had a championship pedigree. Luka after 3 years is a legit MVP level player. No comparison in that regard, really. And reality is, Kawhit has spent the past 4 years load-managing so his bitch-ass will never be in consideration for MVP.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

In terms of mano a mano, umm yes. The Clippers have won both series moreso on the back of being the better team. Or are we acting like Kawhi beats Luka if they switched teams? A Luka led Clips squad would murk a Kawhit-led Mavs team.

Kawhit by year 3 was a role player who won finals MVP on a team who already had a championship pedigree. Luka after 3 years is a legit MVP level player. No comparison in that regard, really. And reality is, Kawhit has spent the past 4 years load-managing so his bitch-ass will never be even into consideration for MVP.

Kawhi would win on the mavs or clippers, he's destroying luka with 10x better offense and 10x better defense

Kawhi: gmsc: 29.0, 140 offensive rating, 113 defensive rating

luka: gmsc: 26.1, 114 offensive rating, 120 defense rating

So kawhi has more production (gmsc) and he's 30x more efficient on offense and 7 times better on defense.

spurs in 2014 didn't even have a 20PPG scorer, so what was kawhi's role? being the best player and winning finals mvp.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi would win on the mavs or clippers, he's destroying luka with 10x better offense and 10x better defense

Kawhi: gmsc: 29.0, 140 offensive rating, 113 defensive rating

luka: gmsc: 26.1, 114 offensive rating, 120 defense rating

So kawhi has more production (gmsc) and he's 30x more efficient on offense and 7 times better on defense.

spurs in 2014 didn't even have a 20PPG scorer, so what was kawhi's role? being the best player and winning finals mvp.

Bottom line is peak Kawhi on a team being pencilled in as champions last year shouldn't be getting taken to 7 games by a third year player with an overall worse team behind him. All your advanced numbers mean sweet fukk all in the face of the reality that if Luka can take Kawhit to the limit with a worse team, then logically speaking he should beat him if he has a better team than Kawhit. Not hard to figure out.

Kawhit on the Mavs wouldn't do jackshit, not when his number 2 would be Porzingis and we all know Kahwit can't lead a lockerroom for shit. Great player but not a galvanizer, culture builder and needs either a team with championship DNA( Spurs), a team that previously made ECFs without him( Raptors) or a roster that gave the 2019 Warriors a competitive series THEN added Kawhit and PG13 to said squad(Clips). Dems the fax, jack.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bottom line is peak Kawhi on a team being pencilled in as champions last year shouldn't be getting taken to 7 games by a third year player with an overall worse team behind him. All your advanced numbers mean sweet fukk all in the face of the reality that if Luka can take Kawhit to the limit with a worse team, then logically speaking he should beat him if he has a better team than Kawhi. Not hard to figure out. Kawhi on the Mave wouldnt do jackshit, not when his number 2 is Porzingis and we all know Kahwit can't lead a lockerroom for shit.
A true GOAT like Bird swept Jordan twice when he had the far superior team. Kawhi won 4-2 with Porzingis missing half the series then needed to go 7 games with the far superior team, a team that clinched a trip to the conference finals without him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bottom line is peak Kawhi on a team being pencilled in as champions last year shouldn't be getting taken to 7 games by a third year player with an overall worse team behind him. All your advanced numbers mean sweet fukk all in the face of the reality that if Luka can take Kawhit to the limit with a worse team, then logically speaking he should beat him if he has a better team than Kawhi. Not hard to figure out. Kawhi on the Mave wouldnt do jackshit, not when his number 2 is Porzingis and we all know Kahwit can't lead a lockerroom for shit.

They were pencilled in as champions because kawhi is on the team, so their champions by default. Just like how he turned the toronto bums into champions all by himself and just like how he eliminated Luka all by himself. How is Luka leading locker rooms? he can barely speak english hahahaha and he just got his ass kicked by Patty Mills of all people in the Olympics

[Phoenix]

They were pencilled in as champions because kawhi is on the team, so their champions by default. Just like how he turned the toronto bums into champions all by himself and just like how he eliminated Luka all by himself. How is Luka leading locker rooms? he can barely speak english hahahaha and he just got his ass kicked by Patty Mills of all people in the Olympics

I wasn't disputing your first sentence, but that's because Kahwit came in riding high off the 2019 chip(won against a depleted Warriors squad, but I digress). The cache on that chip has long since run its course when daily sports shows are debating if Kawhi is even worth max contract money and leaning towards the Clips not winning a chip with the current squad. Disappointing for your anointed GOAT.

Mavs were a 33 win team before Luka got there. By year 2 Luka already had them in the ballpark of a 50 win team with nowhere close to the talent that Kawhit has around him. Reality is, Kawhit takes teams that are already good and acts as the cherry on top. Hey it ain't a bad thing, but it's what it is. There is ZERO evidence that you can put this guy on a 30 win team and he makes them a playoff squad. None, zilch, zippo. A literal void of evidence.

Hows your evening going? Are you enjoying the attention I'm giving you? Treasure it because I'm not talking about Kawhit all night with you.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I wasn't disputing your first sentence, but that's because Kahwit came in riding high off the 2019 chip(won against a depleted Warriors squad, but I digress). The cache on that chip has long since run its course when daily sports shows are debating if Kawhi is even worth max contract money and leaning towards the Clips not winning a chip with the current squad. Disappointing for your anointed GOAT.

Mavs were a 33 win team before Luka got there. By year 2 Luka already had them in the ballpark of a 50 win team with nowhere close to the talent that Kawhit has around him. Reality is, Kawhit takes teams that are already good and acts as the cherry on top. Hey it ain't a bad thing, but it's what it is. There is ZERO evidence that you can put this guy on a 30 win team and he makes them a playoff squad. None, zilch, zippo. A literal void of evidence.

Hows your evening going? Are you enjoying the attention I'm giving you? Treasure it because I'm not talking about Kawhit all night with you.

Dumbest shit I've ever heard. Nobody ever said "this guy is the goat because he was able to make 30 win teams into 50 win teams"

Dumbest WOAT argument.

A team that couldn't win a 2nd round game and fired their head coach and turning them into champion. Now that's GOAT and that's what kawhi did with raptors.

Kawhi has led 7 different teams in top 3 SRS and never had any elite players in their primes on his own team.

[Phoenix]

Dumbest shit I've ever heard. Nobody ever said "this guy is the goat because he was able to make 30 win teams into 50 win teams"

Dumbest WOAT argument.

A team that couldn't win a 2nd round game and fired their head coach and turning them into champion. Now that's GOAT and that's what kawhi did with raptors.

Kawhi has led 7 different teams in top 3 SRS and never had any elite players in their primes on his own team.

I actually like the guy, but you and your lame ass gimmick account touting him as the GOAT needs taking down a peg.

Now answer me this: what evidence exists that Kawhi isn't an extremely talented frontrunner? Nobody is arguing that hes not a HOF level talent, but when you take a team that otherwise makes the playoffs and adds a great player, well yeah that team is going to be better. It's not rocket science. Reality is Kawhi is only a champion in 2019 because the Warriors lost KD early in the series and Klay got injured later on. They aren't beating a healthy Warriors team and most level headed people( a category you dont fit in) understand that while still appreciating that the guy took advantage of the situation and won a chip. Not the first time injuries affected the course of a playoff outcome( hell, look at this year alone) but at least try something new and argue in good faith for once. It ain't hard but again, you're a gimmick account. Probably hate Kawhi and doing all you can to bring heat to him. You're not the first troll to do that nor the only one currently on the board doing so.

[Thenameless]

Dirk. He WAS the team. And that's against a Miami team that's expected to blow them away.

2011 Heat are much better than the 2021 Suns.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I actually like the guy, but you and your lame ass gimmick account touting him as the GOAT needs taking down a peg.

Now answer me this: what evidence exists that Kawhi isn't an extremely talented frontrunner? Nobody is arguing that hes not a HOF level talent, but when you take a team that otherwise makes the playoffs and adds a great player, well yeah that team is going to be better. It's not rocket science. Reality is Kawhi is only a champion in 2019 because the Warriors lost KD early in the series and Klay got injured later on. They aren't beating a healthy Warriors team and most level headed people( a category you dont fit in) understand that while still appreciating that the guy took advantage of the situation and won a chip. Not the first time injuries affected the course of a playoff outcome( hell, look at this year alone) but at least try something new and argue in good faith for once. It ain't hard but again, you're a gimmick account. Probably hate Kawhi and doing all you can to bring heat to him. You're not the first troll to do that nor the only one currently on the board doing so.

cause a frontrunner doesn't have 48% usage and a game winner in a game 7 in the 2nd round

a frontrunner doesn't guard giannis while also averaging 29\10

all on a team with his 2nd best player as kyle lowry who couldn't even make a 2nd team all nba

wow what a frontrunner hahahahaha

or the old washed up spurs bums who didn't even have a player that could average 18PPG

[HBK_Kliq_2]

A true GOAT like Bird swept Jordan twice when he had the far superior team. Kawhi won 4-2 with Porzingis missing half the series then needed to go 7 games with the far superior team, a team that clinched a trip to the conference finals without him

4 out of 5 straight against luka

4 straight against giannis

3 straight against lebron

i will take it

[beasted]

Dirk. He WAS the team. And that's against a Miami team that's expected to blow them away.

2011 Heat are much better than the 2021 Suns.

Her played like trash in the Finals.

[StrongLurk]

2011 Dirk.

[Phoenix]

cause a frontrunner doesn't have 48% usage and a game winner in a game 7 in the 2nd round

a frontrunner doesn't guard giannis while also averaging 29\10

all on a team with his 2nd best player as kyle lowry who couldn't even make a 2nd team all nba

wow what a frontrunner hahahahaha

or the old washed up spurs bums who didn't even have a player that could average 18PPG

Nothing you said above disproved anything I said. Kawhi his entire career has joined playoff caliber teams. You're having a hard time with that. When he builds something from scratch and goes on a run let me know. That's GOAT shit. Until then you're in your 'I'm gonna get the last word in and I like attention' phase where you double down on being stupid. Kawhi has a 2007 Parker/ 2015 Iggy level finals MVP award and a chip against a depleted team he otherwise would have lost to. Great player, not the best of his era and several tiers down the GOAT list. You talking about Luka just because he's my avatar, as if you think him losing in the first round twice in a 3 year career( at 22 years old) phases me in the least is cute. Kawhi being a front running bitch affects you hahahaha.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Nothing you said above disproved anything I said. Kawhi his entire career has joined playoff caliber teams. You're having a hard time with that. When he builds something from scratch and goes on a run let me know. That's GOAT shit. Until then you're in your 'I'm gonna get the last word in and I like attention' phase where you double down on being stupid. Kawhi has a 2007 Parker/ 2015 Iggy level finals MVP award and a chip against a depleted team he otherwise would have lost to. Great player, not the best of his era and several tiers down the GOAT list. You talking about Luka just because he's my avatar, as if you think him losing in the first round twice in a 3 year career( at 22 years old) phases me in the least is cute. Kawhi being a front running bitch affects you hahahaha.

He won a championship with his wingman Lowry who has never even made a 2nd team all nba, that's more then lebron ever did or whoever else you consider the best of this era.

[Phoenix]

He won a championship with his wingman Lowry who has never even made a 2nd team all nba, that's more then lebron ever did or whoever else you consider the best of this era.

Another 'last word gimme attention' reply. Yawn.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Another 'last word gimme attention' reply. Yawn.

and another argument that you can't dispute. Yawn

[Phoenix]

and another argument that you can't dispute. Yawn

'GIMME ATTENTION!!- HBK_Klit

You havent presented anything to dispute. I asked you for evidence that Kawhit has done anything in his career without teams that were already playoff caliber. The 2010 Spurs 61 games before Kawhi joined. The 2018 Raptors won 59 games. The 2019 Clips won 48 games without a single all NBA player on the roster. Ready made teams where he was the cherry on top as I've said. I can't help if those facts hurt you.

You presented your usual 'look over there' replies because you simply can't address what I asked. Does Kawhi win the 2019 chip against a healthy Warriors team? Yes or no will do.

What's happened since 2019? Losing in the bubble because he lacked the leadership necessary to navigate his team thru those conditions, then watched from the sidelines this year while his team went on to make the conference finals with him out of action before the 2nd round ended. More facts....where does it hurt?

[Gougou]

2021 Giannis did way better in finals.

2011 Lebron just choked hard tbh...

[Pointguard]

Wow, I didn't think there'd actually be someone else who would agree with me on this point :lol Dirk's run gets overrated imo considering, like you said, he legitimately beat the worst versions of LeBron & Kobe in their primes. Honestly, neither of them were even better than Jason Terry was in those series. And it'd be one thing if it were a Hakeem/Ewing situation where Hakeem was directly responsible for Ewing's struggles, but Dirk had literally nothing to do with LeBron and Kobe struggling that badly.

And I'm honestly not even trying to take anything away from Dirk, it was still an impressive run where he was incredibly clutch throughout the playoffs, but far too often people ignore context when discussing that title run and don't acknowledge LeBron & Kobe were both awful in those series.

Yes, exactly.

Hakeem pulled it off on David Robinson, Ewing and Shaq. Now that was crazy and HOF mano a mano.

[Phoenix]

Yes, exactly.

Hakeem pulled it off on David Robinson, Ewing and Shaq. Now that was crazy and HOF mano a mano.

Hence why his career ranking shot into the stratosphere with that back to back. I don't think he'd even be considered a top 20 player otherwise( talent/-skillwise yes, but not much team success outside of 94 and 95 which factors into rankings fairly or not).

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Mavs went 2-7 without Dirk. The Bucks won 2 games in the playoffs without Giannis.

[Rick Bottom]

This thread doesnt make any sense. What do the two players/situations have in common?

[Hey Yo]

Dirk had to go through one of the most brutal gauntlets of all time while giannis faced an injury plagued joke lineup of opponents. Its not even close.

When Miami beat OKC in the 2012 Finals, you said they were just inexperienced kids and was expected. Now you're saying how hard of run Dirk had which included those same kids in the 2011 WCF.

[rmt]

cause a frontrunner doesn't have 48% usage and a game winner in a game 7 in the 2nd round

a frontrunner doesn't guard giannis while also averaging 29\10

all on a team with his 2nd best player as kyle lowry who couldn't even make a 2nd team all nba

wow what a frontrunner hahahahaha

or the old washed up spurs bums who didn't even have a player that could average 18PPG

And what did sprite, young Kawhi average: 12.8 pts in regular season, 14.3 pts in playoffs and 17.8 pts in the Finals. At least the washed up spurs bums had the excuse that they were old. BTW, Parker averaged 18 pts in the Finals - MORE than Kawhi did.

[tpols]

Dirk didn't go through a brutal gauntlet. Kobe (RIP) played like trash and Lebron was the finals MVP for Dallas. I doubt Wade, Durant and Kobe ever had another series where Dirk outscored them? Yet, when Dirk is past his prime he decimates them primarily because of their hideous play. Yet nobody talks about Kid's defense (Westbrook, Wade, Kobe) or Marion's defense (Lebron, Durant, Odom) All of whom had among their worst playoff performances ever. And not one of those players could you say was mentally on their game (Wade is arguable). These were easily the greatest defensive stands ever in a playoff run. All of those guys were in their prime and their effectiveness was wiped. And please don't lie and say they played like leaders of their teams because they didn't. The rest of their teams played like their leaders.

You telling a whole lie with just your first sentence.

Dirk didn't go through a gauntlet? He faced fully healthy stacked teams his entire run and more superstars in it for one run than Giannis faced in his whole career. (in the playoffs)

The Bucks won the Conference Finals... WITHOUT Giannis.

:lol

Its just too funny. Wade and Lebron were both peak before the 2011 Finals. They were totally dominant.

And Chris Bosh went nuts in the ECFs vs the #1 ranked defense, your team, the Rose, Boozer, Deng, and Noah led Chicago Bulls.

What happened was this.

https://i.redd.it/2ipzka3taw441.jpg

The truth is Dallas was a millisecond away from,being down 0-2 and were never expected to win, but Dirk laid his nuts on Lebron chin (and wades... he might a liked it) that they quit.

And got dumped on.

[Pointguard]

You telling a whole lie with just your first sentence. If they were healthy, then Dallas had the best defensive run ever. Even better than the Piston run when they killed Great Kobe and great Shaq WITHOUT an offensive star. Unlike that Piston's great defensive run this defensive stand had five top players at their positions totally nuetralized. Are you willing to say it was more of a defensive run.


Dirk didn't go through a gauntlet? He faced fully healthy stacked teams his entire run and more superstars in it for one run than Giannis faced in his whole career. (in the playoffs)
I don't expect you to understand what mentally healthy is anymore than I expect you to understand a great defensive team. I can only tell you it exist.


The Bucks won the Conference Finals... WITHOUT Giannis. And they should have.




Its just too funny. Wade and Lebron were both peak before the 2011 Finals. They were totally dominant.
Yes, aparently Rose totally exhausted them.


And Chris Bosh went nuts in the ECFs vs the #1 ranked defense, your team, the Rose, Boozer, Deng, and Noah led Chicago Bulls.
Wait, Booze and Noah didn't even play the fourth quarters largely because of bone head fouls on Bosh. Bosh was highlighed against the Bulls because Wade had his hands full on both sides of the court with Rose.


What happened was this.

https://i.redd.it/2ipzka3taw441.jpg True. But that has to go to Marion. Like I said, Dirk almost always gets out scored by Wade, Lebron, Durant and Kobe in a series - something that just doesn't happen to a player that is supposed to be the best scorer at his position. In general, the rule is Dirk has to depend on stellar defense to outplay them. And guess what happened. Proof of that is Lebron has never produced those type of numbers ever.