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Kblaze8855
08-20-2021, 04:55 PM
https://youtu.be/NMa9aSwgOXk



I think Muresan personally caught like 46 of the points directly or by fouling. Just basket after basket of plays nobody finds visually appealing.

Couple nice dunks though.

Just an awkward ass attack method. All the contested running Georgetown hooks you can stomach.

Im not sure how modern offenses would use Zo. Coaches do not want those kinda baskets. Luckily he could shoot and would probably develop a 3 pointer but playing that way?

He’d struggle to find a team to feature him. He might be a 14ppg DPOY who occasionally gets extra touches when nothing else works or he could become a straight up stretch big who faces up. Impossible to say…but I think the amount of ugly he brings to the table while not being a drive and kick threat would put him in the doghouse on some rosters offensively.

tontoz
08-20-2021, 05:01 PM
I think he would do fine now. He would be very effective in pick and rolls because of his quickness rolling to the basket. Doubt he would shoot 3s though.

I see him as Bam with more offensive skill.

DoctorP
08-20-2021, 05:40 PM
ooh, five star post. excellent find.

Full Court
08-20-2021, 05:51 PM
Pure griminess!

ShawkFactory
08-20-2021, 06:08 PM
He’d struggle to find a team to feature him. He might be a 14ppg DPOY who occasionally gets extra touches when nothing else works or he could become a straight up stretch big who faces up. Impossible to say…but I think the amount of ugly he brings to the table while not being a drive and kick threat would put him in the doghouse on some rosters offensively.

I suppose but he at least brings more to the table offensively than someone like Gobert. Feature, no. But I think he'd be a 18-19ppg guy with 14 boards and DOPY defense for sure. With the way paints are structured I feel like he has some navigational skills to be able to go for more than 14

Mauzah
08-20-2021, 06:40 PM
I've always found it interesting how we all know Zo is a tier below the great centers of the 90's but when viewing him as his own player not comparing him to anyone you get the impression he could have been the best big in the game during his time. He had the total package for a center.

Anyone else get a Boogie vibe for a modern day comparison?

Smoke117
08-20-2021, 06:41 PM
I've always found it interesting how we all know Zo is a tier below the great centers of the 90's but when viewing him as his own player not comparing him to anyone you get the impression he could have been the best big in the game during his time. He had the total package for a center.

Anyone else get a Boogie vibe for a modern day comparison?

lol Not really. If he was ever the best big in the game during his time that would be due to a weak era.

Mauzah
08-20-2021, 06:45 PM
lol Not really. If he was ever the best big in the game during his time that would be due to a weak era.

I see it as the opposite and more of a testament to how good the other centers were by comparison.

Smoke117
08-20-2021, 06:51 PM
I see it as the opposite and more of a testament to how good the other centers were by comparison.

Nah. Alonzo was never some high impact offensive player. Sure he put up points, but the impact was never there. He was never really a number 1 offensive player if you are really expecting to contend for a championship. He was also a mentally weak player whose head was easy to get into.

AirBonner
08-20-2021, 07:11 PM
I think people look at him with Rose tinted glasses. He was a solid role player. He wouldn’t be anymore effective today

L.Kizzle
08-20-2021, 07:34 PM
Zo was a small center. Listed at 6'10 but really about 6'8.

fsvr54
08-20-2021, 08:20 PM
https://youtu.be/NMa9aSwgOXk



I think Muresan personally caught like 46 of the points directly or by fouling. Just basket after basket of plays nobody finds visually appealing.

Couple nice dunks though.

Just an awkward ass attack method. All the contested running Georgetown hooks you can stomach.

Im not sure how modern offenses would use Zo. Coaches do not want those kinda baskets. Luckily he could shoot and would probably develop a 3 pointer but playing that way?

He’d struggle to find a team to feature him. He might be a 14ppg DPOY who occasionally gets extra touches when nothing else works or he could become a straight up stretch big who faces up. Impossible to say…but I think the amount of ugly he brings to the table while not being a drive and kick threat would put him in the doghouse on some rosters offensively.

I don't understand why a coach wouldn't want a player who drains unguardable hook shots at a high rate. Better than bricking jumpers any day.

Kblaze8855
08-20-2021, 09:26 PM
I suppose but he at least brings more to the table offensively than someone like Gobert. Feature, no. But I think he'd be a 18-19ppg guy with 14 boards and DOPY defense for sure. With the way paints are structured I feel like he has some navigational skills to be able to go for more than 14


Well sure more than Gobert. This is a guy who hit a series winning 20 foot jumper. Gobert is a decoy or a “Hes open!” quick dump in when you really need a basket. Zo did it in ugly fashion but he could score.

Would a coach want him to score the way he scored is the issue.

DoctorP
08-20-2021, 09:35 PM
I love Zo but he'd be a Hassan Whiteside in today's modernized game. Much quicker, though. He'd avg 14ppg and not be featured. I doubt Miami' coach Spo would put him in the 4th quarter to finish games :lol

RRR3
08-20-2021, 09:35 PM
Well sure more than Gobert. This is a guy who hit a series winning 20 foot jumper. Gobert is a decoy or a “Hes open!” quick dump in when you really need a basket. Zo did it in ugly fashion but he could score.

Would a coach want him to score the way he scored is the issue.
Before his prime ended, his efficiency was generally superb for his era, so much so that even by today’s standards he would still be efficient so he could be used the same way tbh.

Reggie43
08-20-2021, 09:36 PM
He was a great athlete with a decent jumper. . Him having somewhat predictable/akward postmoves wont make him less effective especially the fact they are barely any bigmen who could match his physicality night in night out. He probably gets 22- 25 pts a night easy at his peak seeing how wide open the modern game has become.

Kblaze8855
08-20-2021, 10:02 PM
Before his prime ended, his efficiency was generally superb for his era, so much so that even by today’s standards he would still be efficient so he could be used the same way tbh.

Well what I think and what the people running nba offenses think isn’t the same thing so I’ll let an offensive assistant explain it(Mike Dantonis brother who was his assistant and a head coach in college):



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2108210729350320.jpeg

Kblaze8855
08-20-2021, 10:03 PM
Now imagine the guy in the video I posted in a league with 20 head coaches and 40 assistants who think like that.


You picture him being featured or having to find baskets where he can? A guy like Shaq is a walking dunk/foul/double team on any one on one touch vs these stretch 5 centers. Zo has to work a little to get his shot. And it’s usually not a shot modern teams want.

fsvr54
08-20-2021, 10:06 PM
Well what I think and what the people running nba offenses think isn’t the same thing so I’ll let an offensive assistant explain it(Mike Dantonis brother who was his assistant and a head coach in college):



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2108210729350320.jpeg

He sounds like an absolute fool. Like his brother

Looking at the game from a data analysts point of view.

A dude who never misses down low is better than a streaky shooter and he can pass out of the post to open shooters anyways.

RRR3
08-20-2021, 10:17 PM
Now imagine the guy in the video I posted in a league with 20 head coaches and 40 assistants who think like that.


You picture him being featured or having to find baskets where he can? A guy like Shaq is a walking dunk/foul/double team on any one on one touch vs these stretch 5 centers. Zo has to work a little to get his shot. And it’s usually not a shot modern teams want.
If Zoe could score at a 59% TS on high volume like he did in his prime he could be effectively featured, albeit with 4 shooters around him due to spacing (unless he himself was taking 3s in which case his efficiency could go up further if he was competent at them). He was quite a bit more efficient than Vucevic who shoots 3s and is featured heavily. 59 TS% was god tier efficiency until recently, and it’s still very good, especially considering his volume.

ShawkFactory
08-21-2021, 12:29 PM
Well sure more than Gobert. This is a guy who hit a series winning 20 foot jumper. Gobert is a decoy or a “Hes open!” quick dump in when you really need a basket. Zo did it in ugly fashion but he could score.

Would a coach want him to score the way he scored is the issue.

I mean if it’s effective then why not? At the end of the day coaches want to win right?

I feel like they don’t give a shit if something isn’t attractive. Most don’t anyway

tontoz
08-21-2021, 12:35 PM
Well what I think and what the people running nba offenses think isn’t the same thing so I’ll let an offensive assistant explain it(Mike Dantonis brother who was his assistant and a head coach in college):



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2108210729350320.jpeg


Dude sounds like a wannabe analyst. First he says " the best shot in basketball is the corner 3".

Then he turns around and says a layup is worth 1.8 pts and a corner 3 is worth 1.27.

:oldlol:

Them there is this thing called the shot clock which makes it tough to get the ideal shots each time down, not to mention the opposing defense.

DoctorP
08-22-2021, 03:10 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYhEg1XXkAAvXqh.jpg

DoctorP
08-22-2021, 03:19 PM
https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/omnisport/44/37/jordanmourning330gettyus_1cfc7chzvk4og1r0mpcwy9ijj r.jpg


:pimp:

Look, I can palm that shit too

Mauzah
08-22-2021, 05:11 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYhEg1XXkAAvXqh.jpg

Get that weak era shit outta here! We celebrate flops only now.

DoctorP
08-22-2021, 09:05 PM
Get that weak era shit outta here! We celebrate flops only now.

https://i.redd.it/8y7fd4dxh8w31.gif

L.Kizzle
08-22-2021, 09:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYhEg1XXkAAvXqh.jpg

Alonzo to Rodman "Say uncle... say it!"

iamgine
08-22-2021, 11:37 PM
Well what I think and what the people running nba offenses think isn’t the same thing so I’ll let an offensive assistant explain it(Mike Dantonis brother who was his assistant and a head coach in college):



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2108210729350320.jpeg

0.78 might be the average. But someone like Domantas Sabonis, it might be much higher than that. So the analytics might actually support him posting up for his team.

I wonder if that analytics have also accounted for the difference fouls and rebound generated by post ups vs 3s dominated offense.

Sulico
08-23-2021, 01:33 AM
Scoring against Muresan barely differed from scoring against lamp post placed under the basket.

JohnMax
08-23-2021, 03:47 AM
He scores like Giannis and Shaq. He even dunks like them. I googled their wingspans and Giannis has 7'3" wingspan, Mourning 7'6" and Shaq 7'7".