Is there any chance this rush to vacinate could backfire horribly?

[Doomsday Dallas]

I've been reading some crazy $hit I probably shouldn't...

There are some that suspect that this rush to vaccinate is going to backfire horribly on millions of people...

to make a long OP short... the link to blood clots is what's often pointed out, and that in the long term (3-5 years), you'll see a tremendous amount people dropping like flies... mainly due to blood clots.

and supposedly it will be caused by the spike protein


At present, researchers don’t know what component of these vaccines could be causing the unwanted immune response against platelet factor 4. “It could be caused by the vectors, it could be caused by the spike protein, it could be caused by a contaminant present in the vector,” says viral immunologist Hildegund Ertl at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w



I don't hate on those wanting to get vaccinated... but the $hit I'm reading makes me suspect that the door, at the very least, is open for the possibility of this mass-vax operation to backfire.

And so... I have to wonder What If?



What if the vaccination agenda does in fact go horribly wrong like these people are suggesting?... and a large percentage of people do suffer from long term effects?

I can't even imagine what that would look like... everyone who took the jab, ends up regretting that choice?.... if that day were to ever come, Holy $hit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3xY6Ffy_wE

[oldtimer28]

Good thread but could be baiting in 2021 weird cancel rational debate culture. The mere mention of vaccines causes war amongst people. So frustrating as I would love to see a good debate.

Watch the brainwashed jump on this ..

For me, I hope the vaccines are safe. The rush and lack of study of long-term results makes me concerned but many good people have had them and more than half the world.

It would be catastrophic if people got sick, let alone serious complications.

Say covid has about 211 million cases with 4.4 million deaths as of today. 1 % dead say.

4.9 billion vaccine shots given. 1% dead would be about 49 million already. Just unfathomable...

[JohnnySic]

This is me when the shit hits the fan:

https://c.tenor.com/TywY4EYSTZEAAAAM/ha-ha-the-simpsons.gif

[jstern]

Such a conversation could get your account suspended on Facebook and Twitter. And maybe even YouTube. Not on ISH though.

There was even a Facebook groups page where people reported side effects to the vaccine, account suspended.

[theman93]

Shut up and don’t ask questions OP.

Also the vaccine is safe, take it or else.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFqjDXy9s5A

[Axe]

Just go get the freaking vaccine already ffs. :oldlol:

Manny doesn't like the idea of being vaccinated as well but his mom, who works in the hospital, was forced to and guess what? She's still alive and living these days.

[Loco 50]

I've been reading some crazy $hit I probably shouldn't...

There are some that suspect that this rush to vaccinate is going to backfire horribly on millions of people...

to make a long OP short... the link to blood clots is what's often pointed out, and that in the long term (3-5 years), you'll see a tremendous amount people dropping like flies... mainly due to blood clots.

and supposedly it will be caused by the spike protein



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w



You've been reading some crazy $hit that you probably shouldn't.

From your article: The clotting disorder is known as HIT or more properly VITT. Heparin induced thrombocytopenia or vaccine induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

A. It's extremely rare. Despite it being extremely rare the vaccines that were being associated with the clotting disorder were immediately paused and reassessed. They were determined to be safe and thus administration resumed.

B. It's not an existing problem with the mrna vaccines. Pfizer/Moderna are mrna vaccines. J&J is a traditional vaccine.

C. If VITT were going to happen in a patient it would happen relatively soon. There is no way that VITT could happen 3 to 5 years out from a vaccination. The components needed to maintain immunity (DNA/RNA/protein), or in your concern disease, all have their own expiration half-lifes and would be long gone by this time-frame. This is why boosters are being mentioned, because cell machinery doesn't have an infinite lifespan. According to uptodate, there is a 5 to 30 day window of risk associated with VITT. I'd encourage you to read further here.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt


There are many drugs that can induce clotting disorders similar to HIT/VITT that we use daily that you're not currently worried about because you're unaware these issues even exist due to them being so rare. It doesn't mean we don't use the drugs anymore.

Medicine has weighed the number needed to treat versus number needed to harm and decided that ultimately the reward far outweighs any risk associated with the treatment. Drugs that you have no doubt taken. Some perhaps even daily.

Do you ever suspect that your various concerns may be decreasing your enjoyment of life or interfering with your day to day social/work life?

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJGc8wOUWk8

[Doomsday Dallas]

Do you ever suspect that your various concerns may be decreasing your enjoyment of life or interfering with your day to day social/work life?

I think my concerns do the exact opposite to be honest, I appreciate life as we know it a hell of a lot more than the average person.

But if that’s going to be the reaction I get every time I voice my concerns… probably best to STFU and stick to the script

[Chick Stern]

You've been reading some crazy $hit that you probably shouldn't.

From your article: The clotting disorder is known as HIT or more properly VITT. Heparin induced thrombocytopenia or vaccine induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

A. It's extremely rare. Despite it being extremely rare the vaccines that were being associated with the clotting disorder were immediately paused and reassessed. They were determined to be safe and thus administration resumed.

B. It's not an existing problem with the mrna vaccines. Pfizer/Moderna are mrna vaccines. J&J is a traditional vaccine.

C. If VITT were going to happen in a patient it would happen relatively soon. There is no way that VITT could happen 3 to 5 years out from a vaccination. The components needed to maintain immunity (DNA/RNA/protein), or in your concern disease, all have their own expiration half-lifes and would be long gone by this time-frame. This is why boosters are being mentioned, because cell machinery doesn't have an infinite lifespan. According to uptodate, there is a 5 to 30 day window of risk associated with VITT. I'd encourage you to read further here.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt


There are many drugs that can induce clotting disorders similar to HIT/VITT that we use daily that you're not currently worried about because you're unaware these issues even exist due to them being so rare. It doesn't mean we don't use the drugs anymore.

Medicine has weighed the number needed to treat versus number needed to harm and decided that ultimately the reward far outweighs any risk associated with the treatment. Drugs that you have no doubt taken. Some perhaps even daily.

Do you ever suspect that your various concerns may be decreasing your enjoyment of life or interfering with your day to day social/work life?
^^^^ This

One of the confusing things is the many different types of vaccines.
It’s clear that the mRNA vaccines are superior, and will be a technology used greatly in the future.

[bladefd]

^^^^ This

One of the confusing things is the many different types of vaccines.
It’s clear that the mRNA vaccines are superior, and will be a technology used greatly in the future.

I believe moderna just began testing HIV vaccine that uses mrna. I bet they are using data collected from the covid vaccine. Several other companies are also working on various mrna vaccines for different issues.

[Loco 50]

I think my concerns do the exact opposite to be honest, I appreciate life as we know it a hell of a lot more than the average person.

But if that’s going to be the reaction I get every time I voice my concerns… probably best to STFU and stick to the script

I'm glad you're fulfilled with your life.

It's important to be scientifically curious and I'll never blame anyone for mistrusting/questioning authority. I'd only advise you to be careful in being content when you seemingly find the answer that you consciously or unconsciously are seeking. Continue to question and read further. Learning to discern what is a quality source is imperative to quality learning.

I watched the video and he is truthful in his stance that any doctor that claims to know everything is a bad doc and should be discarded. He is also one that has pushed both ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as valid remedies which is false and a belief that is directly leading to harm. The latest meta-anlytic studies on both of these drugs has shown that they do not show any therapeutic effect with regards to covid treatment.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93485

This info along with several other of his stances raises my level of skepticism with the information he is providing.

I hope you continue to seek quality info that helps you make informed decisions. Good luck.

[DoctorP]

This is me when the shit hits the fan:

https://c.tenor.com/TywY4EYSTZEAAAAM/ha-ha-the-simpsons.gif

You really want people to become sick or worse in order to feel good about not getting a vaccine? Pretty narcissistic and sick dude :lol

[tpols]

Its not a backfire. Its going to go exactly as planned.

[kabar]

The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice

Abstract
It is unclear whether severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, which causes coronavirus disease 2019, can enter the brain. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 binds to cells via the S1 subunit of its spike protein. We show that intravenously injected radioiodinated S1 (I-S1) readily crossed the blood–brain barrier in male mice, was taken up by brain regions and entered the parenchymal brain space. I-S1 was also taken up by the lung, spleen, kidney and liver. Intranasally administered I-S1 also entered the brain, although at levels roughly ten times lower than after intravenous administration. APOE genotype and sex did not affect whole-brain I-S1 uptake but had variable effects on uptake by the olfactory bulb, liver, spleen and kidney. I-S1 uptake in the hippocampus and olfactory bulb was reduced by lipopolysaccharide-induced inflammation. Mechanistic studies indicated that I-S1 crosses the blood–brain barrier by adsorptive transcytosis and that murine angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 is involved in brain and lung uptake, but not in kidney, liver or spleen uptake.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

How can we give FDA approval when there is a complete lack of research into the pharmacokinetics of the mRNA and the resulting spike protein? It's a clown show and it's unbelievable how combative and anti science vaccine proponents become when asked to address the lack of research.

[Loco 50]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

How can we give FDA approval when there is a complete lack of research into the pharmacokinetics of the mRNA and the resulting spike protein? It's a clown show and it's unbelievable how combative and anti science vaccine proponents become when asked to address the lack of research.

mRNA is extremely fragile. All mRNA will behave essentially the same way. Just because it's labeled a covid vaccine doesn't change its biochemistry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8071766/


As for the spike proteins. The goal of the vaccine is to duplicate the s1 from the actual virus. I think it's a valid question to wonder how these proteins are degraded, but are you more concerned that a theoretically, clinically inactive portion of the virus is going to be more harmful than covid in its entirety because the virus is crossing the BBB as well.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

[warriorfan]

Vax cucks absolutely fuming right now.

:roll:

[kabar]

mRNA is extremely fragile. All mRNA will behave essentially the same way. Just because it's labeled a covid vaccine doesn't change its biochemistry. Degradation typically occurs in under 15 minutes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8071766/


As for the spike proteins. The goal of the vaccine is to duplicate the s1 from the actual virus. I think it's a valid question to wonder how these proteins are degraded, but are you more concerned that a theoretically, clinically inactive portion of the virus is going to be more harmful than covid in its entirety because the virus is crossing the BBB as well.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go
That's a terrible assumption. It's like saying the adenovirus viral vectors are made of the same DNA nucleotides so they behave the same. They don't. The J&J jabs have sequences that are much more prone to splicing and therefore clotting.

Yes it's concerning. People who inject themselves are telling their bodies to produce the spike protein without knowing where the mRNA is being localized. I also checked your link.


Another peer-reviewed study tested exactly where an mRNA vaccine went in mice. Most of the mRNA vaccine stayed in the injection site muscle – where you get the shot. Look at Table 1. A lot of mRNA vaccine was found in local lymph nodes, which peaked about eight hours after the shot was given. A much smaller amount of mRNA vaccine went to farther away lymph nodes.
Linked to this study.

Although intramuscular (i.m.) administration is the most commonly used route for licensed vaccines, subcutaneous (s.c.) delivery is being explored for several new vaccines under development. Here, we use rhesus macaques, physiologically relevant to humans, to identify the anatomical compartments and early immune processes engaged in the response to immunization via the two routes. Administration of fluorescently labeled HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein trimers displayed on liposomes enables visualization of targeted cells and tissues. Both s.c. and i.m. routes induce efficient immune cell infiltration, activation, and antigen uptake, functions that are tightly restricted to the skin and muscle, respectively. Antigen is also transported to different lymph nodes depending on route. However, these early differences do not translate into significant differences in the magnitude or quality of antigen-specific cellular and humoral responses over time. Thus, although some distinct immunological differences are noted, the choice of route may instead be motivated by clinical practicality.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124720302928

That website NebraskMed is lying.

[DoctorP]

they say the retards shall inherit the earth

[DoctorP]

anyways, nothing to see here.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/report-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-may-get-full-fda-approval-monday/

Report: Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine may get full FDA approval Monday

Regulators are reportedly working to finish approval Friday, but timeline could slip.

[DoctorP]

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oof

https://i.imgur.com/HKjeQi0.png


:lol

[Doomsday Dallas]

The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice

Abstract
It is unclear whether severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, which causes coronavirus disease 2019, can enter the brain. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 binds to cells via the S1 subunit of its spike protein. We show that intravenously injected radioiodinated S1 (I-S1) readily crossed the blood–brain barrier in male mice, was taken up by brain regions and entered the parenchymal brain space. I-S1 was also taken up by the lung, spleen, kidney and liver. Intranasally administered I-S1 also entered the brain, although at levels roughly ten times lower than after intravenous administration.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmOxxEbr7eg

[Loco 50]

That's a terrible assumption. It's like saying the adenovirus viral vectors are made of the same DNA nucleotides so they behave the same. They don't. The J&J jabs have sequences that are much more prone to splicing and therefore clotting.

Yes it's concerning. People who inject themselves are telling their bodies to produce the spike protein without knowing where the mRNA is being localized. I also checked your link.


Linked to this study.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124720302928

That website NebraskMed is lying.
On mobile so can't cut and paste efficiently at all. I don't see the similarity in your analogy, but you are free to your opinion. I view the structural fragility of rna renders it's degradation mechanism moot here. That being said, I have a medical background and not an extensive biochemistry background. Perhaps your knowledge trumps mine here so do feel free to correct. I'll check out your link in a bit.

Edit: I see that I worded the above "all rna will behave the same way" extremely poorly so I think that's where a miscommunication was had. The breakdown/degradation process of each rna strand will vary so slightly as to be inconsequential in my view. It's actual protein product will obviously vary significantly.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJGc8wOUWk8

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lab-founder-shows-damage-covid-jabs-spike-protein-inflicts-on-vital-organs/


Cole also pointed out that experiments are showing that the COVID jabs “dysregulate your immune response,” citing a Netherlands study that Cole said shows that immune cells are being “paralyzed” after injection with the COVID jab.

Cole suggested that CD8 “killer T-cells” that “keep cancer in check” are among the immune cells being dysregulated.

“I have seen a 10 to 20 fold increase of uterine cancer in the last six months in my laboratory, and I keep data year to year in the last six months. When did we start the shots? January,” said Cole.


So.... if this does backfire... we could see a rise in cases of cancer.

[Mr. Woke]

Nope.

Anti-vaxxers need to stop being *******.

[JohnnySic]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lab-founder-shows-damage-covid-jabs-spike-protein-inflicts-on-vital-organs/




So.... if this does backfire... we could see a rise in cases of cancer.

Destabilize your immune system and something as simple as simple as a common cold can kill you.

Keep getting those shots. What could go wrong?:D

[JohnnySic]

You really want people to become sick or worse in order to feel good about not getting a vaccine? Pretty narcissistic and sick dude :lol

I warned, and got dismissed. Sorry not sorry? :lol

[DoctorP]

I warned, and got dismissed. Sorry not sorry? :lol

so you just want to be able to tell people "i told you so". nice.

[Loco 50]

That's a terrible assumption. It's like saying the adenovirus viral vectors are made of the same DNA nucleotides so they behave the same. They don't. The J&J jabs have sequences that are much more prone to splicing and therefore clotting.

Yes it's concerning. People who inject themselves are telling their bodies to produce the spike protein without knowing where the mRNA is being localized. I also checked your link.


Linked to this study.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211124720302928

That website NebraskMed is lying.
Alright, going to be brief. Our body's have built in mechanisms to remove both the mrna and protein products. Just because they are part of a covid vaccine doesn't mean the body all of a sudden doesn't know how to process them.

As mentioned before, mrna is very fragile and will be degraded quite rapidly. Protein, no matter what kind of protein is a little more durable because of stronger bonds but still gets broken down.

Where does the breakdown occur? Same place breakdown of foreign antigens always occurs. In our lymphatic system i.e. lymph nodes, spleen, and liver.

There is no evidence or reason to believe that our lymphatic system is overwhelmed or changed in any way by the vaccine. It's business as usual.

Here's a helpful link for more reading.

https://factcheck.afp.com/us-doctor-spreads-false-information-about-covid-19-mrna-vaccines

[Loco 50]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lab-founder-shows-damage-covid-jabs-spike-protein-inflicts-on-vital-organs/




So.... if this does backfire... we could see a rise in cases of cancer.


His presentation is based on false data.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/byram-bridles-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-fails-to-account-for-key-differences-between-the-spike-protein-produced-during-infection-and-vaccination-mis

https://factcheck.afp.com/us-doctor-spreads-false-information-about-covid-19-mrna-vaccines


Also, lifesitenews is not a quality information source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-site-news/

From the site above it's deemed low credibility due to promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and many failed fact checks.