Wait mj had more assists than pip in 7 out of 10 playoffs?

[Bronbron23]

How could this be? I've always heard pip was the better passer and i always just assumed it was true because that's always been mj haters narrative but it's all a load of shit. Oh and not only has mj more than not out assisted pip he also has 6 playoffs of 6 or more assists a game compared to just 1 for pip.

This is no knock on pip btw. He's still one of the best 2nd options ever. Just thought it was interesting and the facts completely destroy alot of mj haters narrative when it comes to pip.

[RRR3]

Higher APG does not make you a better passer lol.

[Bronbron23]

Higher APG does not make you a better passer lol.

This can be true but that can't be used by bron stans. Yall live and die by stats. You can't ignore the stats now just because it dosn't fit your narrative

[SATAN]

Bound to happen when you got the refs in your pocket and you're kicking players so they can't recover on defense

http://pm1.narvii.com/6138/94420c515b37ca6a5b6d9b89656ee3a80f47d7e5_hq.jpg

[Bronbron23]

Bound to happen when you got the refs in your pocket and you're kicking players so they can't recover on defense

http://pm1.narvii.com/6138/94420c515b37ca6a5b6d9b89656ee3a80f47d7e5_hq.jpg

Did mj kick stocton on this play?

[SATAN]

Yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-jGOjXXJY

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

/ t h r e a d

[Bronbron23]

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

/ t h r e a d

But how come mj out assisted pip in 7 of their 10 playoffs? Why does mj have 6 playoffs of 6 or more and pip only has 1?

[Bronbron23]

Yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-jGOjXXJY

Here's a shorter video of it. Interesting i never noticed that before. Definitely a dirty trick.

[SATAN]

Thread cliffs

[Bronbron23]

Thread cliffs

Nsh buddy i'm sure i could find something dirty or something else your fav did that could of changed the outcome of the game. I think your a bron stan and lord knows if you take away all his travels and flops shit would be different.

It is a interesting video and dirty play by mj though i'll give u that

[HoopsNY]

How could this be? I've always heard pip was the better passer and i always just assumed it was true because that's always been mj haters narrative but it's all a load of shit. Oh and not only has mj more than not out assisted pip he also has 6 playoffs of 6 or more assists a game compared to just 1 for pip.

This is no knock on pip btw. He's still one of the best 2nd options ever. Just thought it was interesting and the facts completely destroy alot of mj haters narrative when it comes to pip.

It's recency bias. Most people who did watch Pippen remember him from 1994-1998. During those years, MJ was absent for 2 of them, and the remaining 3, he was the better passer than MJ.

But from 1987-93, MJ was a far superior passer and playmaker.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

/ t h r e a d

guys? we done here? :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

guys? we done here? :oldlol:

Yup mj was the better playoff passer. Thanks for playing. Come again:rockon:

[And1AllDay]

Yup mj was the better playoff passer. Thanks for playing. Come again:rockon:

ill give you a pro tip the green numbers = leader

leaders cats

scoring = mike
assists = pippen
rebounding = pippen
steals = pippen
blocks = pippen

thanks for playing. come again

[Bronbron23]

ill give you a pro tip the green numbers = leader

leaders cats

scoring = mike
assists = pippen
rebounding = pippen
steals = pippen
blocks = pippen

thanks for playing. come again

It's all good buddy i see the totals. Pip was a great passer never said he wasn't but if pips a great passer and mj out assisted pip 7 out of 10 playoffs and had 5 more playoffs of 6 assists or more than mj must be a great passer also. I know it hurts but you'll be ok.

[And1AllDay]

It's all good buddy i see the totals. Pip was a great passer never said he wasn't but if pips a great passer and mj out assisted pip 7 out of 10 playoffs and had 5 more playoffs of 6 assists or more than mj must be a great passer also. I know it hurts but you'll be ok.

i like to educate so please sit and listen

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

the green numbers = leader

leaders cats

scoring = mike
assists = pippen
rebounding = pippen
steals = pippen
blocks = pippen

[Bronbron23]

i like to educate so please sit and listen

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

the green numbers = leader

leaders cats

scoring = mike
assists = pippen
rebounding = pippen
steals = pippen
blocks = pippen

Well we can go with totals if u want but it's not an argument you should want to make.

Leader cats

Scoring titles = mike
Fmvp= mike
Dpoys= mike
Tripple doubles = mike
Steals titles= mike
All nba= mike

I could do this forever buddy but i don't even want to. I like pip. This isn't about comparing mj to pip its not a fair comparison anyway. It's about yall dumb trolls who that talk dimb shit.

[Kblaze8855]

Well we can go with totals if u want but it's not an argument you should want to make.

Leader cats

Scoring titles = mike
Fmvp= mike
Dpoys= mike
Tripple doubles = mike
Steals titles= mike
All nba= mike

I could do this forever buddy but i don't even want to. I like pip. This isn't about comparing mj to pip its not a fair comparison anyway. It's about yall dumb trolls who that talk dimb shit.


You should probably double check those. Triple doubles at least. Probably all nba. Lebron has been around a long time. Not that that’s the only reason. I don’t Jordan had more trouble doubles than 5-6 current players. They used to be pretty rare.

[sdot_thadon]

Op, I'd like to introduce you to a couple of advanced stats that will help you along your way...

Usg% is how many of the teams possessions said player used. I only bring it up because bad pass turnovers count here. Mj used at least 10% more of their possessions per postseason run, with good reason but this also helps you guesstimate how much more he had the ball in his hands to generate assists.

Assist % is what percentage of your teammates buckets you assisted while on the floor. Mj led in this stat in the 1st 3peat and Scottie led mostly in the 2nd 3peat.

[RogueBorg]

Yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-jGOjXXJY

Did they call a foul?

[Bronbron23]

You should probably double check those. Triple doubles at least. Probably all nba. Lebron has been around a long time. Not that that’s the only reason. I don’t Jordan had more trouble doubles than 5-6 current players. They used to be pretty rare.

For sure but it was in response to dude who was comparing mj and pip. Bron definitely has more tripple doubles than mj

[Bronbron23]

Op, I'd like to introduce you to a couple of advanced stats that will help you along your way...

Usg% is how many of the teams possessions said player used. I only bring it up because bad pass turnovers count here. Mj used at least 10% more of their possessions per postseason run, with good reason but this also helps you guesstimate how much more he had the ball in his hands to generate assists.

Assist % is what percentage of your teammates buckets you assisted while on the floor. Mj led in this stat in the 1st 3peat and Scottie led mostly in the 2nd 3peat.

Yeah i hear you. It can get a bit complicated though that's why i said i didn't really like comparing the 2. Mj had a different role than pip in the triangle. His main role was to score though. Pips role was to do a little bit of everything. Before the triangle though when mj played more of a ball dominant role he always had more assists than pip.

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah i hear you. It can get a bit complicated though that's why i said i didn't really like comparing the 2. Mj had a different role than pip in the triangle. His main role was to score though. Pips role was to do a little bit of everything. Before the triangle though when mj played more of a ball dominant role he always had more assists than pip.

I don't really think he ever stopped being ball dominant, he was just to a lesser degree. Hell his usage was still sky high, he just shifted his focus. Back then it was called "trusting his teammates", a now over used cliche in this sport. He could do it all, it just was not realistic that he would be successful that way.

[Bronbron23]

I don't really think he ever stopped being ball dominant, he was just to a lesser degree. Hell his usage was still sky high, he just shifted his focus. Back then it was called "trusting his teammates", a now over used cliche in this sport. He could do it all, it just was not realistic that he would be successful that way.

Yeah his usage was still high but he had more empty possessions because sometimes when he had the ball it was to set up the play. It wasn't necessarily to score or get an assist. Ball dominant systems have way less cuts and movements in general. Almost every time the ball dominant player has the ball its to create for him self or a teammate. This results in better individual stats but less team success.

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah his usage was still high but he had more empty possessions because sometimes when he had the ball it was to set up the play. It wasn't necessarily to score or get an assist. Ball dominant systems have way less cuts and movements in general. Almost every time the ball dominant player has the ball its to create for him self or a teammate. This results in better individual stats but less team success.

Not necessarily, we throw around that exact narrative not seeing the big picture. A guy like Mj that we seem to believe had non offense breaking tendencies had carte blanc to break the triangle whenever he saw fit and did so quite often. Little known fact is once Scottie came into his own as a player he had the same privilege and the times he put up big numbers he'd break the offense as he saw fit as well. The huge difference is we've been able to watch a Kobe or Lebron possession for possession practically their entire careers to see every wart, with Mj and previous greats? Not so much. Sure we've got a library of highlight videos and quite a few games to watch of Mjs, but honestly how many current fans can say they were able to watch his career in the same entirety that we have for Lebron? Not even a majority of the Mj stans can claim this.

[SATAN]

Did they call a foul?

No. They did however call Howard Eisley for a shot clock violation when he hit a 3 pointer clearly within the 24 seconds. They also gave Ron Harper points when he clearly should have been called for a shot clock violation.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/16/0d/d2160d85e4b8eb3d68b77f2593db72c7.jpg

You do the math.

[Bronbron23]

Not necessarily, we throw around that exact narrative not seeing the big picture. A guy like Mj that we seem to believe had non offense breaking tendencies had carte blanc to break the triangle whenever he saw fit and did so quite often. Little known fact is once Scottie came into his own as a player he had the same privilege and the times he put up big numbers he'd break the offense as he saw fit as well. The huge difference is we've been able to watch a Kobe or Lebron possession for possession practically their entire careers to see every wart, with Mj and previous greats? Not so much. Sure we've got a library of highlight videos and quite a few games to watch of Mjs, but honestly how many current fans can say they were able to watch his career in the same entirety that we have for Lebron? Not even a majority of the Mj stans can claim this.

Yeah mj could and did break out of the triangle often but he also played within it alot. He talked about this in the last dance doc about how he was reluctant to accept phil and the triangle because it was taking the ball out of hands. You could throw mj in a full time ball dominant point gaurd role and he'd easily get 9 or 10 assists a game. We saw this on 89 when he played this role for a quarter of the season. He had a shit ton of tripple doubles and way more assists than usual. Not sure he wins as many that way though.