FBI now says that there was no insurrection on January 6th

[Hey Yo]

WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

They alleged that one Proud Boy leader recruited members and urged them to stockpile bulletproof vests and other military-style equipment in the weeks before the attack and on Jan. 6 sent members forward with a plan to split into groups and make multiple entries to the Capitol.

But so far prosecutors have steered clear of more serious, politically-loaded charges that the sources said had been initially discussed by prosecutors, such as seditious conspiracy or racketeering.

The FBI's assessment could prove relevant for a congressional investigation that also aims to determine how that day's events were organized and by whom.

Senior lawmakers have been briefed in detail on the results of the FBI's investigation so far and find them credible, a Democratic congressional source said.

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

More than 170 people have been charged so far with assaulting or impeding a police officer, according to the Justice Department. That carries a maximum sentence of 20 years.

But one source said there has been little, if any, recent discussion by senior Justice Department officials of filing charges such as "seditious conspiracy" to accuse defendants of trying to overthrow the government. They have also opted not to bring racketeering charges, often used against organized criminal gangs.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

[Shogon]

No shit, it was a bunch of LARPers. The behavior was still disgusting either way... but the people that used this as a talking point that the right tried to overthrow the government are actually retarded people... and there is a shocking amount of them. Hell there are at least a dozen people that post here that actually believe that shit... at least one of which is a mod. :roll:

But the hilarious part of it all is the actual overall damage was minimal (except for the fact that a few people lost their lives which in itself is a big deal, however) and the outrage from left leaning voters was deafening despite the fact that there wasn't a peep on their side from entire sections of cities being burned nationwide all summer long over a guy who was destined to die the moment the cops strolled up because he ingested a substantial portion of his stash of drugs in an attempt to hide it.

[Shogon]

Two sides of the same coin, I suppose. Absolutely idiotic simple minded people who are told what to think by politicians on the left and right along with the media. A tale as old as time. Kings and power. Divide and conquer.

You're all morons.

[SouBeachTalents]

No shit, it was a bunch of LARPers. The behavior was still disgusting either way... but the people that used this as a talking point that the right tried to overthrow the government are actually retarded people... and there is a shocking amount of them. Hell there are at least a dozen people that post here that actually believe that shit... at least one of which is a mod. :roll:

But the hilarious part of it all is the actual overall damage was minimal (except for the fact that a few people lost their lives which in itself is a big deal, however) and the outrage from left leaning voters was deafening despite the fact that there wasn't a peep on their side from entire sections of cities being burned nationwide all summer long over a guy who was destined to die the moment the cops strolled up because he ingested a substantial portion of his stash of drugs in an attempt to hide it.
A bunch of rednecks were obv never gonna overthrow the government :lol Which is why I find the "they tried to overthrow democracy" talking point silly. But I feel like the events of that day weren't that far off from becoming significant. Had those storming the capitol been able to get their hands on some of the politicians there, I have no doubt things could have turned ugly very quickly. Some of them had real intent to commit bodily harm, ranging from tying them up and taking them hostage to even killing them, which I would not put past a group of people that were armed and brainwashed.

[Shogon]

A bunch of rednecks were obv never gonna overthrow the government :lol Which is why I find the "they tried to overthrow democracy" talking point silly. But I feel like the events of that day weren't that far off from becoming significant. Had those storming the capitol been able to get their hands on some of the politicians there, I have no doubt things could have turned ugly very quickly. Some of them had real intent to commit bodily harm, ranging from tying them up and taking them hostage to even killing them, which I would not put past a group of people that were armed and brainwashed.

Fair points. Had a select few of them gotten their hands on select politicians, the long term outcome could have been drastically worse for the entire country because there's no telling what would have definitively happened... hell even if they had just held them captive for an hour or two which would have probably been the most benign outcome, the long term outcome would have been far, far worse.

But my overall point was there was no over arching plan to take and hold the capitol building and overthrow the government and it was largely a big group of idiotic LARPers letting their emotions dictate their thought processes and short term actions. And yeah, there were probably a handful of true extremists there blending in.

[JohnnySic]

Well, some of us knew this at the time, and we were dismissed when we said as much.

Of course it was leftist larpers. This is their MO.

Another libtard narrative bites the dust.

[Shogon]

Well, some of us knew this at the time, and we were dismissed when we said as much.

Of course it was leftist larpers. This is their MO.

Another libtard narrative bites the dust.

What are you talking about?

It wasn't leftist larpers. There might have been a few leftists in there instigating things to go further but uh...

It was right wing larpers. Pretending that they're doing something when in reality they're just a bunch of children throwing temper tantrums because their sports team didn't win... which is all any of this really boils down to... a bunch of children rooting for sports teams to win contests while they focus all of their energy on shit that has no actual impact on their lives.

[RRR3]

Imagine getting all your opinions from Fox News. Johnnythick :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Well, some of us knew this at the time, and we were dismissed when we said as much.

Of course it was leftist larpers. This is their MO.

Another libtard narrative bites the dust.


First Cuomo resigns, Biden blunders in Afghanistan, and now this. Dems taking massive L's this year.


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[RRR3]

First Cuomo resigns, Biden blunders in Afghanistan, and now this. Dems taking massive L's this year.


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnxiousWhiteGoldfinch-size_restricted.gif
Pulling out of Afghanistan is unironically the best thing Biden ever did. Trump could never.

[bladefd]

First Cuomo resigns, Biden blunders in Afghanistan, and now this. Dems taking massive L's this year.


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And if we were to take your word, you would say Republicans are taking W's??

Pump your brakes right there. You lost the white house, senate on top of the house in just November. Several of your leaders are facing massive lawsuits from Dominion. Audits so far have been a waste of time showing no widespread voter fraud. You've got a long way to go, pal.

[JohnnySic]

Imagine getting all your opinions from Fox News. Johnnythick :facepalm

I dont watch Fox news. They're hardly better than the rest of the media.

[JohnnySic]

What are you talking about?

It wasn't leftist larpers. There might have been a few leftists in there instigating things to go further but uh...

It was right wing larpers. Pretending that they're doing something when in reality they're just a bunch of children throwing temper tantrums because their sports team didn't win... which is all any of this really boils down to... a bunch of children rooting for sports teams to win contests while they focus all of their energy on shit that has no actual impact on their lives.

Whoever they were, it wasn't an insurrection. It was closer to a group tour lol.

[fsvr54]

What are you talking about?

It wasn't leftist larpers. There might have been a few leftists in there instigating things to go further but uh...

It was right wing larpers. Pretending that they're doing something when in reality they're just a bunch of children throwing temper tantrums because their sports team didn't win... which is all any of this really boils down to... a bunch of children rooting for sports teams to win contests while they focus all of their energy on shit that has no actual impact on their lives.

They were all deep state agent provacateurs...so no actual right wingers.

[Shogon]

guys, i'm lost here. can someone PM me if we're believing the FBI or not? this is all getting confusing because of how often we switch stances. i just want to know what to switch my facebook status to. because the FBI warned law enforcement agencies across the country that white supremacists were infiltrating their own ranks, but we chose to ignore that since it doesn't help our agenda, or like when the FBI investigated our dear Donald Trump, we spent so much time bashing the FBI for being corrupt and inept...but now we're believing what they have to say? ugh, can we just stick to one agenda for once?

Does the same logic not apply to you?

I just about don't trust anything the government puts out way one or the other.

[Shogon]

Whoever they were, it wasn't an insurrection. It was closer to a group tour lol.

That's not fair. If you look at expanded footage of that day there were some places @ the capitol building that got quite nasty. Nastier than what the highlights initially showed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0

You can watch the video on mute without the commentary from the NYT and arrive at that conclusion.

It was a group of idiots that decided to show their asses for no real reason other than they were pretending they were going to do some real shit. Maybe things get actually bad if they reach congresspeople but yeah... it's neither fair to say they tried to overthrow the government nor is it fair to say that it was a "group tour."

Want to know how I know they were LARPing? There in that hallway, the moment that a cop drew their gun and shot and killed one of the nuts, none of the nuts did shit about it in retaliation. They just stood there like the LARPers they were.

[BurningHammer]

Whoever they were, it wasn't an insurrection. It was closer to a group tour lol.

Touring the Capitol by breaking through windows? :roll:

[Shogon]

it applies across the board for everyone. i just find it funny how trumptards spend so much time attacking the image of any agency, organization, individual or literally ANYTHING that opposes their beliefs. but so quickly abandons said pr attack when that same enemy has something to say that is of personal gain.

it seems very childish to attack anyone that disagree with you. and then i start to think, gee, we have a shitload of people like that...people driven by emotion rather than logic lol.

Well yeah they're ****ing stupid. They are driven by emotion rather than logic. I agree.

Cell phones and the internet and algorithms that write the news have done a number on people's minds that the world is ending every single day. And the mainstream media has responded in kind so that they can stay in business.

[ZenMaster]

guys, i'm lost here. can someone PM me if we're believing the FBI or not? this is all getting confusing because of how often we switch stances. i just want to know what to switch my facebook status to. because the FBI warned law enforcement agencies across the country that white supremacists were infiltrating their own ranks, but we chose to ignore that since it doesn't help our agenda, or like when the FBI investigated our dear Donald Trump, we spent so much time bashing the FBI for being corrupt and inept...but now we're believing what they have to say? ugh, can we just stick to one agenda for once?

The FBI isn't saying anything, but they're failing to prove a narrative in court, which they themselves have been very supportive of and helpful in creating.


FBI Director Chris Wray on Thursday suggested “serious charges” are still coming in the criminal investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.

"This is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come," Wray said during an oversight hearing held by the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. "I would expect to see more charges — some of them maybe more serious charges."

Wray testified that the FBI considered the attack an act of "domestic terrorism." He said he understands why Democratic lawmakers have called the attack an "insurrection," but said it would not be appropriate for him to use that word because of the effect it could have on pending criminal cases.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-lawmakers-grill-fbi-director-over-inaction-ahead-capitol-attack-2021-06-10/

[Lakers Legend#32]

Reuters is a right leaning news service.

[Shogon]

If a substantial number of people of the American public legitimately tried to overthrow the government... they would likely succeed rather quickly. They would bust out the guns and they would take down the police and armed forces and there would be nothing anyone could do to stop them. Hell if even 1% of the American public tried to overthrow the government that would likely be a cakewalk. You're talking about what, 3.3 million people? Even half of a percent could get it done, especially given the number of guns in this country. January 6th was only in the thousands of people. Imagine the hundreds of thousands of people.

Things are trending in a direction left enough where there will be a right winger populist like Trump one day as backlash that will get elected that isn't just a paper tiger. They will be an actual evil person and shit will be really, really bad.

Hopefully, with any luck, the fed will keep their monetary scam going long enough for me to get old enough to die and leave this planet before said thing happens, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[DoctorP]

I guess it was just a bunch of unorganized chaos more than anything

[ZenMaster]

OP worded it that way, so in addition to being a dumb trump supporter, he has poor reading comprehension. :oldlol:

"No evidence of insurrection in FBI investigation, liberal narrative crumbles" would probably be more precise, but it's semantics.

[JohnnySic]

:oldlol:

their mental gymnastics is hilarious. these are the same people that think a black man jogging deserved to get shot to death for looking suspicious but they defend their brethren that trespassed a federal building by claiming they were simply "touring" :roll:

the mental gymnastics these people have to do to make sense of their actions...yikes

No "mental gymnastics". I want facts. Show me clear, undeniable evidence that these people were Trump supporters trying to overthrow the government. I haven't seen it. Even the FBI has backed off from the "insurrection" narrative.

Ultimately, its all irrelevant. What happened on January 6th is literally a drop in the ocean compared to the rioting, looting, and mayhem that the left caused in 2020. I never saw one libtard say anything against that. "Cops shot someone resisting arrest so lets burn down these business owned by people who had nothing to do with it". Like that's perfectly normal. Talk about mental gymnastics.

[BurningHammer]

I guess it was just a bunch of unorganized chaos more than anything

I would say mildly organized since Trump rally conveniently brought them together there.

[Patrick Chewing]

Liberals fuming they can't blame Trump or the White Nationalist boogeyman.

[DoctorP]

I would say mildly organized since Trump rally conveniently brought them together there.

Very mild. Tribal chaos.

[Axe]

The insurrection only happened because people could not accept taking Ls after november the 3rd last year.

[JohnnySic]

If a substantial number of people of the American public legitimately tried to overthrow the government... they would likely succeed rather quickly. They would bust out the guns and they would take down the police and armed forces and there would be nothing anyone could do to stop them. Hell if even 1% of the American public tried to overthrow the government that would likely be a cakewalk. You're talking about what, 3.3 million people? Even half of a percent could get it done, especially given the number of guns in this country. January 6th was only in the thousands of people. Imagine the hundreds of thousands of people.

Things are trending in a direction left enough where there will be a right winger populist like Trump one day as backlash that will get elected that isn't just a paper tiger. They will be an actual evil person and shit will be really, really bad.

Hopefully, with any luck, the fed will keep their monetary scam going long enough for me to get old enough to die and leave this planet before said thing happens, but I wouldn't bet on it.

A right wing populist government is exactly what the US needs, albeit without the "evil" part.

[bladefd]

Touring the Capitol by breaking through windows? :roll:

and loudly chanting "Hang Pence", calling for the House speaker's head while throwing rocks/whatever they could find at cops & beating up cops. Gee, that's quite a tour!!

Try doing that to your local courthouse with your friends & relatives. It's a felony crime that will get you in jail for years.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The insurrection only happened because people could not accept taking Ls after november the 3rd last year.


The quote unquote "insurrection" only happened because Trumpers took the bait.

and in time... they'll take the bait again.


.... and they will keep taking the bait until they are officially declared terrorists.

Doesn't matter what the FBI says right now... January 6th & The Proud Boys started the discussion and laid the foundation.

[fsvr54]

If you say "trumpers" or "trumptard" you are a truly idiotic being.

[diamenz]

If you say "trumpers" or "trumptard" you are a truly idiotic being.

why? it's the equivalent of 'leftard', or 'libtard'.

you... do know that there's morons on BOTH sides, right?

you... do know that a lot of them reside here, right?

[Axe]

The quote unquote "insurrection" only happened because Trumpers took the bait.

and in time... they'll take the bait again.


.... and they will keep taking the bait until they are officially declared terrorists.

Doesn't matter what the FBI says right now... January 6th & The Proud Boys started the discussion and laid the foundation.
Maybe but had he won for a second consecutive term, then it might not have happened at all.

[ZenMaster]

and loudly chanting "Hang Pence", calling for the House speaker's head while throwing rocks/whatever they could find at cops & beating up cops. Gee, that's quite a tour!!

Try doing that to your local courthouse with your friends & relatives. It's a felony crime that will get you in jail for years.

There were two different set of cops there that day. Metro police, who there's video of opening gates on one side of the capitol and pulling back from protecting the building.

On the back there was Capitol police, who shot flash bangs into the Trump crowd until they got a violent reaction.

https://mobile.twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1421898859723243520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421898859723243520%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalfile.com%2Fnew-videos-emerge-appearing-to-show-capitol-police-inciting-violence-on-january-6%2F

https://mobile.twitter.com/JRMajewski/status/1421347697576054784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421347697576054784%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalfile.com%2Fnew-videos-emerge-appearing-to-show-capitol-police-inciting-violence-on-january-6%2F

And here's Antifa, doing the same stuff you describe in Portland.


https://youtu.be/6c24eAPmQ3M

[bobopenguin]

Pulling out of Afghanistan is unironically the best thing Biden ever did. Trump could never.

out of Afghanistan with thousands of american citizen left behind held as hostage, enough weapons for terrorist to go full on rampage and take over a country, caused refugees fleeing their home and forced other countries to offer shelters, oh yeah, directly turns every woman and 15 yrs old girl in he country to sex slave machine.

yeah, he surely did a great job.

[Axe]

out of Afghanistan with thousands of american citizen left behind held as hostage, enough weapons for terrorist to go full on rampage and take over a country, caused refugees fleeing their home and forced other countries to offer shelters, oh yeah, directly turns every woman and 15 yrs old girl in he country to sex slave machine.

yeah, he surely did a great job.
@MrFonzworth

[bobopenguin]

@MrFonzworth

he's the ccp commie spy.

[Axe]

he's the ccp commie spy.
Ok boomer

[outofstomach]

No shit, it was a bunch of LARPers. The behavior was still disgusting either way... but the people that used this as a talking point that the right tried to overthrow the government are actually retarded people... and there is a shocking amount of them. Hell there are at least a dozen people that post here that actually believe that shit... at least one of which is a mod. :roll:

But the hilarious part of it all is the actual overall damage was minimal (except for the fact that a few people lost their lives which in itself is a big deal, however) and the outrage from left leaning voters was deafening despite the fact that there wasn't a peep on their side from entire sections of cities being burned nationwide all summer long over a guy who was destined to die the moment the cops strolled up because he ingested a substantial portion of his stash of drugs in an attempt to hide it.
it was more so the fact that republicans and conservatives a like were calling the riots barbaric and uncivilized (which i have reason to believe there’s racial undercurrent on those statements) but ironically enough when it came to trump losing they stormed a government building instead of taking the loss like their “uncivilized” democratic counterparts

go off i guess though :lol

also, drugs ingested or not, he shouldn’t had his knee on that man’s neck for so long, was literally no reason for him to do that.

[outofstomach]

guys, i'm lost here. can someone PM me if we're believing the FBI or not? this is all getting confusing because of how often we switch stances. i just want to know what to switch my facebook status to. because the FBI warned law enforcement agencies across the country that white supremacists were infiltrating their own ranks, but we chose to ignore that since it doesn't help our agenda, or like when the FBI investigated our dear Donald Trump, we spent so much time bashing the FBI for being corrupt and inept...but now we're believing what they have to say? ugh, can we just stick to one agenda for once?this too :lol now these organizations are all of the sudden trustworthy and reputable since trump is out of office

republicucks really have absolutely no shame with narrative switching and changing positions to suit their arguments at every single turn, can’t wait for them to die off honestly

[outofstomach]

If you say "trumpers" or "trumptard" you are a truly idiotic being.
-trumper

[theman93]

FBI gonna FBI


The Federal Bureau of Investigation knowingly violated the Constitution to track down potential ‘racially motivated violent extremists.’ But the FBI didn’t conduct its unconstitutional dragnet following the January 6th Capitol riots, it actually started its probe in November — in the midst of a contested election.

A newly declassified report shows that the FBI pursued extremists in November that would fit the profile of future Capitol rioters by tapping into a National Security Agency database that trawls and records Americans’ communications.

“In other words, the FBI continues to perform warrantless searches through the NSA’s most sensitive databases—the ones the NSA is not required to get warrants before filling with communications information—for routine criminal investigations that are supposed to require warrants,” the Daily Beast reported.

https://beckernews.com/bombshell-fbi-violated-constitution-to-track-far-right-extremists-months-before-capitol-riots-38809/

[Lakers Legend#32]

Too many links to right-wing websites to keep track of.

[Doomsday Dallas]

If you say "trumpers" or "trumptard" you are a truly idiotic being.


That's how I always felt about the word "truther"

only a truly idiotic being would take the word truth... and somehow turn it into an insult.

as if seeking the truth is a bad thing.