How many chips does MJ's championship bulls team get if they were in the 80's?

[Bronbron23]

I say 4. Between the Pistons, Celtics and lakers they have to get at least 1 or 2 off mj's bulls. No way he still gets 6. 3 is the lowest and 5 is the highest imo.

[Axe]

Without scottie pippen? Nada.

[Bronbron23]

Without scottie pippen? Nada.

Maybe. I know your trolling even if you don't but it Depends on who he he gets in place of pip. that's irrelevant though because in this hypothetical he gets pip so how many?

[coastalmarker99]

Maybe. I know your trolling even if you don't but it Depends on who he he gets in place of pip. that's irrelevant though because in this hypothetical he gets pip so how many?


3 titles at the most.


Showtime and Bird's Celtics with the talented big man they had would have just destroyed the Bulls on the boards and in the paint.



Kareem would have a field day against Rodman and Cartwright or Longley.


Mchale with his post moves would have feasted as well against Rodman and Cartwright or Longley.

[Bronbron23]

3 titles at the most.


Showtime and Bird's Celtics with the talented big man they had would have just destroyed the Bulls on the boards and in the paint.



Kareem would have a field day against Rodman and Cartwright or Longley.


Mchale with his post moves would have feasted as well against Rodman and Cartwright or Longley.

Can't argue this. Good post.

[coastalmarker99]

Magic nearly took the Bulls to a 6 game series in 1991 despite the fact that both Worthy and Scott were hurt and missed game 5 which the Bulls only won by 7 points.


Magic

Kareem

Worthy

Cooper

AC green


Are going to **** up the Bulls in 5 or 6 games.

[Bronbron23]

Magic nearly took the Bulls to a 6 game series in 1991 despite the fact that both Worthy and Scott were hurt and missed game 5 which the Bulls only won by 7 points.


Magic

Kareem

Worthy

Cooper

AC green


Are going to **** up the Bulls in 5 or 6 games.

Don't really disagree when talking about 91-93 bulls. What about 96-98 bulls with rod? Do you think he makes the difference defensively?

[coastalmarker99]

I honestly think the 1986 Rockets with Sampson and Hakeem could go toe to toe with any of Jordan's championship Bulls teams.


During MJ's first 3-peat, Olajuwon's Rockets defeated the Bulls 5-1 in the regular season. Jordan officially said to a reporter:



"It's a good thing they can't get out of the West because we have no answer for that Monster. I don't know that we can beat them."


Hakeem Olajuwon's stats in those 6 games:
20 pts, 13 reb, 2.7 ast, 2.3 stl, 4.0 blk.



Now give Hakeem Sampson alongside him and the Bulls would have nightmares as the 1986 Rockets would just destroy the Bulls on the boards and in the paint.

[coastalmarker99]

Don't really disagree when talking about 91-93 bulls. What about 96-98 bulls with rod? Do you think he makes the difference defensively?


No Rodman does not make the difference defensively


Malone had figured him out in the 1998 finals and was starting to utterly own him by games 5 and 6 of those finals.


Kareem with his skill set and height advantage along with the fact he would be getting feed the ball by the GOAT PG in Magic would just have himself a field day.



Against the 1985 Celtics at 38 years old is if you take out the outlier of his bad Game 1 where he only played 22 minutes in a blowout.

Kareem averaged 28/10/6 on 61% against a hall of fame frontline en route to his second finals MVP award.



Rodman or Longley are not stopping Kareem from having himself a night out against the 1996 to 1998 Bulls.


Hell In the 3 games Hakeem defended Kareem in the 1985-86 regular season, Kareem averaged 41 ppg on 67.5% fg against the Rockets.

This was at age 39 yeah Kareem was that ****ing good despite his old age at that stage of time.

[Reggie43]

I love how biased narratives suddenly make two of the best defenders in their position in Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman irrelevant lol.

Add Jordan/Pippen/Harper and they would have held their own inside the paint due to their superior team defense.

To answer the question 3-4 is a good bet.

[Axe]

Maybe. I know your trolling even if you don't but it Depends on who he he gets in place of pip. that's irrelevant though because in this hypothetical he gets pip so how many?
Oh i overlooked the championship part in the title but still, my point stands anyway. I think they get two chips at the least with four being the most.

[coastalmarker99]

I love how biased narratives suddenly make two of the best defenders in their position in Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman irrelevant lol.

Add Jordan/Pippen/Harper and they would have held their own inside the paint due to their superior team defense.

To answer the question 3-4 is a good bet.



Both the Celtics and Lakers of that era would have more talented teams with better benches and would provide serious matchup problems with their hall of fame BIG man against those undersized Bulls teams.

[ELITEpower23]

Does he get Scottie Pippen as well or does he continue his 1-9 first round exit escapades a la Allen Iverson?

[coastalmarker99]

What people are forgetting is with Bird's Celtics and Jordan's Bulls in the east is that whoever gets out of the east between those two teams.


Might honestly be exhausted by the time the finals roll around against a well-rested Showtime Lakers team.


The eastern teams in the finals throughout the 1980s often played the Showtime Laker's game even though they were super experienced like the Celtics were.


In two championship series, the Celtics played the Laker's game and were ran into the ground.

Ainge shot 1 for 11 and Bird shot 6 for 16 in the final game of the 1987 finals because they were tired.


In 1985 Ainge shot 3 for 16 and Dennis Johnson 3 or 15 and Bird 6 for 16 in the final game that year.



Magic controlled the game in ways average fans don't understand.

[Bronbron23]

Does he get Scottie Pippen as well or does he continue his 1-9 first round exit escapades a la Allen Iverson?

Yes he gets his second best player from his championship teams. Why wouldn't he? Take away anybody's second best player and the probably don't win. You think bron wins without wade, kyrie or davis? Worst narrative ever:facepalm

[Rysio]

81- chip
82- no chip
83- no chip
86- no chip
87- no chip
88- 50/50

[RogueBorg]

81- chip
82- no chip
83- no chip
86- no chip
87- no chip
88- 50/50

If we're talking about the 1995-'96 Bulls inserted in all those years, it would go like this. Neither Pistons team is going to beat the Bulls, that's 2 right there. The only Lakers or Celtics team that might beat them are the 1985-'86 Celtics and the 1986-'87 Lakers. The 1995-'96 Bulls are beating them in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989. They might lose to the '83 Sixers as well. The 1995-'96 Bulls are winning as many as 7 rings.

[Vino24]

If we're talking about the 1995-'96 Bulls inserted in all those years, it would go like this. Neither Pistons team is going to beat the Bulls, that's 2 right there. The only Lakers or Celtics team that might beat them are the 1985-'86 Celtics and the 1986-'87 Lakers. The 1995-'96 Bulls are beating them in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989. They might lose to the '83 Sixers as well. The 1995-'96 Bulls are winning as many as 7 rings.
A younger stronger Dennis Rodman on the Pistons says otherwise

[Vino24]

Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, and Magic would take turns whooping that ass

[theman93]

If we're talking about the 1995-'96 Bulls inserted in all those years, it would go like this. Neither Pistons team is going to beat the Bulls, that's 2 right there. The only Lakers or Celtics team that might beat them are the 1985-'86 Celtics and the 1986-'87 Lakers. The 1995-'96 Bulls are beating them in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989. They might lose to the '83 Sixers as well. The 1995-'96 Bulls are winning as many as 7 rings.

:applause:

[guy]

The obvious scenario here is just moving the Bulls back 10 years. So it’s the 85 Bulls in 1975, 90 Bulls in 1980, 97 Bulls in 1987, etc.

So with that said, they still have a decent chance of winning 6. In 1978, you had 44 and 47 win teams making the finals, so it’s not crazy to assume the 1988 50 win Bulls teams in a tougher era with Jordan playing as dominant as he was couldn’t have started winning titles at that point. The same teams made the finals in 1989 so same thing there. Then what people seem to forget is the early 80s 76ers pre-Moses were nothing special. They were beating the Celtics or losing to them in 7 and they were very competitive against the Lakers, who ended up losing Kareem in the 1980 Finals. The 90-92 Bulls are basically a better version of that team with Jordan literally playing at his apex and Pippen probably being better than anyone on the 76ers other than Dr. J. So from 1978-1982 alone I would say they win 3-5 titles.

Then you have the 83 Sixers vs the 93 Bulls, 86 Celtics vs 96 Bulls, and 87 Lakers vs 97 Bulls. All-time great matchups and maybe the Bulls don’t win them all but they are at least winning 1 of those, and they could still end up winning all of them - the 80s Celtics, 80s Lakers, and Moses 76ers all either lost or almost lost to much worse teams then those Bulls i.e. the 81 Rockets, 83 Bucks, 84 Nets, 84 Knicks, 88 Hawks, 88 Jazz, 88 Mavs . I don’t think the 98 Bulls would win though.

[Thenameless]

If we're talking about the 1995-'96 Bulls inserted in all those years, it would go like this. Neither Pistons team is going to beat the Bulls, that's 2 right there. The only Lakers or Celtics team that might beat them are the 1985-'86 Celtics and the 1986-'87 Lakers. The 1995-'96 Bulls are beating them in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989. They might lose to the '83 Sixers as well. The 1995-'96 Bulls are winning as many as 7 rings.

That's really not a fair way of doing it. Because the Lakers don't get to play their strongest 85 or 87 version every year and the Celtics don't get to play the 86 version every year. If it's the 86 Celtics every year the Bulls may never reach the Finals.

[Sulico]

If decades mirror like 81 for 91 and so on, I think they get 3

Bulls were not ready for 1980 Lakers in 1990.

They win in hard series vs Boston and 76ers, and then crush Houston in 1981

And then steamroll everybody in 1982

But there is no way they win against fo-fo-fo 76ers in 83

Then I assume Jordan retire for 1984

And then they loose to 76ers or Boston in 2nd round of 1985

Then they loose to Boston in 1986. I know how good those Bulls were, but Boston in 86 were unbeatable in a series. And prime Bird had his way with young Jordan, imagine him matching up against older slower version.

In 87 and 88 they would defeat Boston and Pistons, but I think they split titles with Lakers.

Then Jordan retires again.

[Manny98]

1 or 2

Not a knock on MJ but the top teams in the 80s were way more stacked than teams in the 90s

You had the Celtics and Lakers with 4 HOF on the same team

Then you had to deal with Philly and Detroit as well

[Bronbron23]

Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, and Magic would take turns whooping that ass

Yeah well that's better than jason terry and and Dwight Howard :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

1 or 2

Not a knock on MJ but the top teams in the 80s were way more stacked than teams in the 90s

You had the Celtics and Lakers with 4 HOF on the same team

Then you had to deal with Philly and Detroit as well

I disagree but that's a fair answer. Those teams were loaded

[No Sir]

I’d say any number from 1-9 is reasonable.

[Sulico]

I’d say any number from 1-9 is reasonable.

9 is very unreasonable

[Axe]

I’d say any number from 1-9 is reasonable.
Damn :lol

[Axe]

1 or 2

Not a knock on MJ but the top teams in the 80s were way more stacked than teams in the 90s

You had the Celtics and Lakers with 4 HOF on the same team

Then you had to deal with Philly and Detroit as well
So the bulls are only stacked relatively to the 90s decade, not outside of it? Interesting.

[Bronbron23]

I’d say any number from 1-9 is reasonable.

Sure 9 chips it is

[97 bulls]

80 the Bulls lose
91the Bulls win
92 the Bulls win
93 the Bulls lose
94
95
96 Bulls win
97 Bulls win
98 Bulls toss up

[HoopsNY]

The topic can't be complete without eliminating expansion. Once you do that, Chicago gets to add an additional superstar/star/all-star/sixth man/role player, in all likelihood.

That significantly changes this discussion. If Chicago has, by way of trade, signing, or moving up in the draft, someone like Rony Seikaly or Big Country Bryant Reeves, or someone off the bench like Dennis Scott or someone like a two guard in Rex Chapman, how does Chicago fair in those situations?

And what happens if they pull off deals and manage to land even bigger names?

[Manny98]

80 the Bulls lose
91the Bulls win
92 the Bulls win
93 the Bulls lose
94
95
96 Bulls win
97 Bulls win
98 Bulls toss up

Yh I don't see them beating the 86 Celtics or 87 Lakers

[nayte]

Wait pip is the Goat defender from what has been said and the Bulls are the most stacked team. Why would they struggle.jordan and pip would rape any of these back courts. And have no problem driving on the vaunted Celtic front court. We've seen them do that plenty of times on other
All time great bigs

[Phoenix]

Delete

[Phoenix]

80 the Bulls lose
91the Bulls win
92 the Bulls win
93 the Bulls lose
94
95
96 Bulls win
97 Bulls win
98 Bulls toss up

So you're basically taking them back a decade and saying

80- 90 Bulls lose to Lakers
81- 91 Bulls beat Rockets
82- 92 Bulls beat Lakers
86- 96 Bulls beat Celtics
87- 97 Bulls beat Lakers
88- 98 Bulls 50/50 Lakers

[97 bulls]

So you're basically taking them back a decade and saying

80- 90 Bulls lose to Lakers
81- 91 Bulls beat Rockets
82- 92 Bulls beat Lakers
86- 96 Bulls beat Celtics
87- 97 Bulls beat Lakers
88- 98 Bulls 50/50 Lakers

Yes

[97 bulls]

Yh I don't see them beating the 86 Celtics or 87 Lakers

I do.

[Phoenix]

Yes

I have a hypothesis that( and this of course excludes James Jordan's murder as any kind of motivating point to leave the game) that the 80s decade would be a more fertile competitive ground that keeps MJ from 'retiring' in 94 and 95( translate that to 84 and 85). What's your thoughts on a Bulls squad in 84 and 85 led by a 31 year old MJ, 28 year old Pippen( which would the 94 22/8/6 3rd in MVP version) and Grant, BJ, rookie Kukoc etc etc.

[97 bulls]

I have a hypothesis that( and this of course excludes James Jordan's murder as any kind of motivating point to leave the game) that the 80s decade would be a more fertile competitive ground that keeps MJ from 'retiring' in 94 and 95( translate that to 84 and 85). What's your thoughts on a Bulls squad in 84 and 85 led by a 31 year old MJ, 28 year old Pippen( which would the 94 22/8/6 3rd in MVP version) and Grant, BJ, rookie Kukoc etc etc.

If Jordan never retires? I'd say they win in 84. But not without a big man in 85. Then there's fatigue. But it's a shame we didn't get to see prime peak MJ and prime peak Pippen together. We got a glimpse in 96, but Injuries started to catch up to Pippen by the time the playoffs rolled around.

[ELITEpower23]

1-9 Whoops

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