Curry and Team Defense

[Stephonit]

It is commonly acknowledged that Curry is an excellent offensive player. It should therefore come as no surprise that the year after he was absent from the roster for most of the season, that the team's offensive rating should go from dead last in the league (30th) and improve to 20th with Curry back at the helm, an improvement of 10 spots.

What will probably be much more eyebrow-raising though is the fun fact that the 2021 Warriors had the 5th best defensive rating whereas the previous year they were 26th, an improvement of 21 spots.

What gives? That's the kind of effect one would expect from adding an all-time defensive player! No matter how you slice it Curry affects his team's defense in ways that go far beyond what is commonly appreciated or acknowledged.

[Gohan]

It is commonly acknowledged that Curry is an excellent offensive player. It should therefore come as no surprise that the year after he was absent from the roster for most of the season, that the team's offensive rating should go from dead last in the league (30th) and improve to 20th with Curry back at the helm, an improvement of 10 spots.

What will probably be much more eyebrow-raising though is the fun fact that the 2021 Warriors had the 5th best defensive rating whereas the previous year they were 26th, an improvement of 21 spots.

What gives? That's the kind of effect one would expect from adding an all-time defensive player! No matter how you slice it Curry affects his team's defense in ways that go far beyond what is commonly appreciated or acknowledged.

Agree curry should have been first team all defense this year

[Sulico]

I love Steph, but no. It was Glenn Robinson the third, Jordan Poole and Damion Lee defending opponent wings in 2020 and then stopping doing that in 21.

[imdaman99]

Curry is def not a piss poor defender team defensive-wise. But let's not act like him hitting 3s isn't demoralizing for the the other team when they bring the ball down. The best defense... is a great offense. Wear them out on defense, like run them around hundreds of screens and they will have less energy for offense. Teams start doing that to me at my park :lol I don't wanna chase people around 10 screens, leaves me tired when we finally get the ball. As embarrassing as it is to say, I am the Steph Curry of my park. I still tell them I prefer klay :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

It is commonly acknowledged that Curry is an excellent offensive player. It should therefore come as no surprise that the year after he was absent from the roster for most of the season, that the team's offensive rating should go from dead last in the league (30th) and improve to 20th with Curry back at the helm, an improvement of 10 spots.

What will probably be much more eyebrow-raising though is the fun fact that the 2021 Warriors had the 5th best defensive rating whereas the previous year they were 26th, an improvement of 21 spots.

What gives? That's the kind of effect one would expect from adding an all-time defensive player! No matter how you slice it Curry affects his team's defense in ways that go far beyond what is commonly appreciated or acknowledged.

Come on dude warriors actually had some decent defenders last year. Very little of it had anything to do with curry. I respect his effort on that end but he's mediocre at best.

[3ba11]

Opponents have less capacity to go off offensively after their defense gets worn down/expends more energy against Curry's zippy ball movement skillset.

Otoh, we often see offenses go off against ball-domination, which doesn't wear down defenses like Curry's zippy ball movement..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition - and ball movement wins the war of attrition better than ball-domination (applies more pressure than it faces, aka wears down more than it gets worn down itself).

See examples of rested defenses/teams going off on ball-domination in the 09' ECF, 11' Finals, 14' Finals, 17' Finals and 18' Finals (record loss).

[Axe]

As the upcoming season nears, it only makes sense for the warriors to have iggy back in their lineup. I mean he's a renowned defensive stalwart; in fact, he was the catalyst for the warriors' three wins in a row and their ring after game 3 of the 2015 finals, where he became the finals mvp in the process. That defensive effort against kong was truly a game-changer than just being limited to solely making open threes from moving screens set over their opponents.

Unfortunately, the team found themselves in shambles when him and kd left two years ago after ultimately failing their quest for a three-peat while klay was sidelined for more than a year and apparently, having dray the donkey as the sole screensetting veteran in their most recent closing season wasn't enough to lead stephen curry to a win in the losers bracket, despite averaging nearly 40 points in b2b losses.

It seems the so-called 'death lineup', even sans kd, will be much needed to make another run at the playoff gauntlet once more. Tho chances of making the finals might be unlikely, which only means that a dingo finals mvp drought will soldier on as usual.

[j3lademaster]

Come on dude warriors actually had some decent defenders last year. Very little of it had anything to do with curry. I respect his effort on that end but he's mediocre at best.Yeah but they had those same defenders in 2020. Only major difference is trading for Wiggins halfway through the season and having Wiseman in 21. Neither of those 2 are world beaters. At some point we just have to get with the facts and stop letting scrubs like Draymond get by on reputation. You think a true dpoy guy will let their team be bottom 5 in D rating? 09-10 Magic were the 2nd best defensive team and didn't have any defensive pieces outside of Howard. They were also below average on that end when Dwight rested.

[FKAri]

BronBron23 vs Stephonit is my favorite matchup on ISH.

[j3lademaster]

Opponents have less capacity to go off offensively after their defense gets worn down/expends more energy against Curry's zippy ball movement skillset.

Otoh, we often see offenses go off against ball-domination, which doesn't wear down defenses like Curry's zippy ball movement..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition - and ball movement wins the war of attrition better than ball-domination (applies more pressure than it faces, aka wears down more than it gets worn down itself).

See examples of rested defenses/teams going off on ball-domination in the 09' ECF, 11' Finals, 14' Finals, 17' Finals and 18' Finals (record loss).I think it's difficult to explain to people who haven't experienced it, but it's very mentally taxing having to constantly shift your attention from a ballhandler to a dangerous offball scorer as well. Team defense 101 is to always know where the ball is, and when you're guarding an offball guy you have to split that awareness. It's tough. And if that offball guy happens to be Steph ****ing Curry it's up to the entire defense to keep track of where he is at all times, which is why Curry creates more unintentional double and triple teams than anyone else in the league.

Who thinks the Suns actually sat down and gameplanned to quad team someone? They didn't, the speed of the game cause a split second miscommunication that they couldn't recover from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Y1oUPi6pg

Because they were all that concerned about one guy. imagine the mental and physical fatigue that causes. Add that to Curry constantly running his man through screens. Your attention is on curry and the ballhandler so you're constantly getting semi-blindsided by these hits, and the hits you don't see coming hit the hardest. So many fans just constantly watch the ball. Curry's offball movement is pure art.

[Gohan]

I think it's difficult to explain to people who haven't experienced it, but it's very mentally taxing having to constantly shift your attention from a ballhandler to a dangerous offball scorer as well. Team defense 101 is to always know where the ball is, and when you're guarding an offball guy you have to split that awareness. It's tough. And if that offball guy happens to be Steph ****ing Curry it's up to the entire defense to keep track of where he is at all times, which is why Curry creates more unintentional double and triple teams than anyone else in the league.

Who thinks the Suns actually sat down and gameplanned to quad team someone? They didn't, the speed of the game cause a split second miscommunication that they couldn't recover from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Y1oUPi6pg

Because they were all that concerned about one guy. imagine the mental and physical fatigue that causes. Add that to Curry constantly running his man through screens. Your attention is on curry and the ballhandler so you're constantly getting semi-blindsided by these hits, and the hits you don't see coming hit the hardest. So many fans just constantly watch the ball. Curry's offball movement is pure art.

Excellent post:cheers:

[8Ball]

I think it's difficult to explain to people who haven't experienced it, but it's very mentally taxing having to constantly shift your attention from a ballhandler to a dangerous offball scorer as well. Team defense 101 is to always know where the ball is, and when you're guarding an offball guy you have to split that awareness. It's tough. And if that offball guy happens to be Steph ****ing Curry it's up to the entire defense to keep track of where he is at all times, which is why Curry creates more unintentional double and triple teams than anyone else in the league.

Who thinks the Suns actually sat down and gameplanned to quad team someone? They didn't, the speed of the game cause a split second miscommunication that they couldn't recover from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Y1oUPi6pg

Because they were all that concerned about one guy. imagine the mental and physical fatigue that causes. Add that to Curry constantly running his man through screens. Your attention is on curry and the ballhandler so you're constantly getting semi-blindsided by these hits, and the hits you don't see coming hit the hardest. So many fans just constantly watch the ball. Curry's offball movement is pure art.

Good post.

[000]

As the upcoming season nears, it only makes sense for the warriors to have iggy back in their lineup. I mean he's a renowned defensive stalwart; in fact, he was the catalyst for the warriors' three wins in a row and their ring after game 3 of the 2015 finals, where he became the finals mvp in the process. That defensive effort against kong was truly a game-changer than just being limited to solely making open threes from moving screens set over their opponents.

Unfortunately, the team found themselves in shambles when him and kd left two years ago after ultimately failing their quest for a three-peat while klay was sidelined for more than a year and apparently, having dray the donkey as the sole screensetting veteran in their most recent closing season wasn't enough to lead stephen curry to a win in the losers bracket, despite averaging nearly 40 points in b2b losses.

It seems the so-called 'death lineup', even sans kd, will be much needed to make another run at the playoff gauntlet once more. Tho chances of making the finals might be unlikely, which only means that a dingo finals mvp drought will soldier on as usual.
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[JohnMax]

Curry's greatness scares the haters. They have to give a million excuses as to why he's not the reason Warriors defense got better.

[000]

Curry was so great Silver had to change the rules to stop him.

[Bronbron23]

Yeah but they had those same defenders in 2020. Only major difference is trading for Wiggins halfway through the season and having Wiseman in 21. Neither of those 2 are world beaters. At some point we just have to get with the facts and stop letting scrubs like Draymond get by on reputation. You think a true dpoy guy will let their team be bottom 5 in D rating? 09-10 Magic were the 2nd best defensive team and didn't have any defensive pieces outside of Howard. They were also below average on that end when Dwight rested.

Well dray isn't dray of a few years ago. That version of dray was pretty special. And wiggins was pretty good defensively last year. He always had the potential and last year he lived up to it. Again very little had anything to do with steph who is mediocre at best on that end. With klay back next season they should be significantly better on both ends. I like warriors next year. Top 5 for sure maybe top 3 if they stay healthy.

[Bronbron23]

BronBron23 vs Stephonit is my favorite matchup on ISH.

He actually alright. We disagree with some things about steph but it's usually pretty civil for the most part.

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[SaintzFury13]

Opponents have less capacity to go off offensively after their defense gets worn down/expends more energy against Curry's zippy ball movement skillset.

Otoh, we often see offenses go off against ball-domination, which doesn't wear down defenses like Curry's zippy ball movement..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition - and ball movement wins the war of attrition better than ball-domination (applies more pressure than it faces, aka wears down more than it gets worn down itself).

See examples of rested defenses/teams going off on ball-domination in the 09' ECF, 11' Finals, 14' Finals, 17' Finals and 18' Finals (record loss).

You are trying way too hard at this point.