T-Mac's 13 pts in 35 secs vs Reggie Miller's 8 pts in 9 secs

[jlip]

In a vacuum, which one was more impressive? Forget about the fact that one was in the playoffs or the stakes. Just look at the individual performance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbtt6OGLms
T-Mac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOqD8tV8Tc
Reggie

[ShawkFactory]

Tmac. The shots were tougher and he had to make more of them

[imdaman99]

Go with playoffs. That 8 in 8.9 seconds took the soul out of us Knick fans.

[pandiani17]

Go with playoffs. That 8 in 8.9 seconds took the soul out of us Knick fans.

OP said to forget the playoffs or stakes. Without taking that into consideration, T-Mac's points are more impressive. Otherwise, I go with Reggie's performance.

[Reggie43]

Miller actually did it on a hostile environment and probably the most famous one in Madison Square Garden facing their bitter rivals in the Knicks.

Miller did virtually everything needed to fuel the comeback outside of scoring by harassing the receiver and getting the steal on Mason's inbound pass, rebounding Ewing's miss against that knicks frontline and getting fouled and finally that last second defensive stop on Greg Anthony to preserve the win.

[tpols]

In a vacuum, which one was more impressive? Forget about the fact that one was in the playoffs or the stakes. Just look at the individual performance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbtt6OGLms
T-Mac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOqD8tV8Tc
Reggie

TMac one of those guys that goes to show you can be 150% skilled and still losed. So it is, so it be.....

[SaintzFury13]

TMac, easily.

[ShawkFactory]

Miller actually did it on a hostile environment and probably the most famous one in Madison Square Garden facing their bitter rivals in the Knicks.

Miller did virtually everything needed to fuel the comeback outside of scoring by harassing the receiver and getting the steal on Mason's inbound pass, rebounding Ewing's miss against that knicks frontline and getting fouled and finally that last second defensive stop on Greg Anthony to preserve the win.

When you add context of course Reggies thing was more significant. That wasn’t the point of thread

Tmac made 2 extra ridiculous shots. And the fact that it happened against the eventual NBA champions and not the Bobcats or whatever makes it more special than it even could have been.

Dude hit a shot while being fouled by Duncan..

[Round Mound]

Reggie's shooting was more important. T-Mac the better player though.

[Reggie43]

When you add context of course Reggies thing was more significant. That wasn’t the point of thread

Tmac made 2 extra ridiculous shots. And the fact that it happened against the eventual NBA champions and not the Bobcats or whatever makes it more special than it even could have been.

Dude hit a shot while being fouled by Duncan..

But I never mentioned it being in the playoffs only the fact that they played on the road against the Knicks. It could have been a regular season game and it still would have been a harder arena to play in especially in the 90s.

Shouldnt Miller get credit for the defense that he played? Stealing the ball, outrebounding the Knicks frontline and stopping their last gasp attempt in the end by playing great defense. The type of activity that he showed in less seconds is more impressive than two extra shots especially from a guy barely credited for playing defense.

[tpols]

Tmac. The shots were tougher and he had to make more of them

Most of TMacs shots were catch 1 dribble or less bombs. Reggie did the same (all career playoff long) but with much better longevity. Rockets took LA to 7 without mcgrady... prime Reggie puts them over the top imo.

Mcgrady has more talent... like a fusion between Kobe and Durant, but he lacks that old school killer mentality (and was hurt). It came too easy to him.

[Pointguard]

But I never mentioned it being in the playoffs only the fact that they played on the road against the Knicks. It could have been a regular season game and it still would have been a harder arena to play in especially in the 90s.

Shouldnt Miller get credit for the defense that he played? Stealing the ball, outrebounding the Knicks frontline and stopping their last gasp attempt in the end by playing great defense. The type of activity that he showed in less seconds is more impressive than two extra shots especially from a guy barely credited for playing defense.
But to be real, SA had better defense than the Knicks did even in the playoffs. Reggie obviously thrived on MSG roaring. All of Reggie points were assisted. You even called Anthony Mason's (RIP) assist to Reggie a steal??? All of TMac's were unassisted and four of them were scored on two guys who were the best defenders in the game and both top ten ever.

[Reggie43]

But to be real, SA had better defense than the Knicks did even in the playoffs. Reggie obviously thrived on MSG roaring. All of Reggie points were assisted. You even called Anthony Mason's (RIP) assist to Reggie a steal??? All of TMac's were unassisted and four of them were scored on two guys who were the best defenders in the game and both top ten ever.

Yeah but what did Tmac do on the other end of the floor?

Miller created the situation for him to steal the ball by denying Greg which in turn made Mason second guess because he thought somebody was open and lost his balance which led to the Miller steal.

And are we really penalizing Miller for being good enough to move well without the ball and catch and shoot? What was he supposed to do waste more time to make it unassisted?

[Pointguard]

Most of TMacs shots were catch 1 dribble or less bombs.
Huh??? He averaged about 9 dribbles for those shots? Maybe more.

[Pointguard]

Yeah but what did Tmac do on the other end of the floor?
He got a steal!!! And dribbled it all the way upcourt against the leagues best defense and won the game. ??? Did you watch the video.



And are we really penalizing Miller for being good enough to move well without the ball and catch and shoot? What was he supposed to do waste more time to make it unassisted?
All he did was shoot. He didn't have to dribble around the games best perimeter player and then shoot over the games best long defender.

[ShawkFactory]

Most of TMacs shots were catch 1 dribble or less bombs. Reggie did the same (all career playoff long) but with much better longevity. Rockets took LA to 7 without mcgrady... prime Reggie puts them over the top imo.

Mcgrady has more talent... like a fusion between Kobe and Durant, but he lacks that old school killer mentality (and was hurt). It came too easy to him.

What does literally any of this have to do with the thread..

[fsvr54]

T Mac's is better. Lol at Reggie

[bison]

Why are we being asked to ignore that reggies shots came in the playoffs? The setting is fundamental to the degree of difficulty in miller’s heroics (as well as the knicks stunning and sudden collapse).

[Back In Shape]

You have to ignore the fact that Reggie's outburst was in the playoffs on enemy territory (@MSG no less) for Tmac's feat to rival his. That alone should tell you who's performance was better

Although if Reggie loses points for his premature bow against the Bulls maybe it's an even match again

[Reggie43]

He got a steal!!! And dribbled it all the way upcourt against the leagues best defense and won the game. ??? Did you watch the video.

All he did was shoot. He didn't have to dribble around the games best perimeter player and then shoot over the games best long defender.

Picking up a loose ball is a steal now? All they had to do was pick it up because the guy already slipped and the ball was going away from him. Open your eyes when you watch it again.

Who the hell is the games best long defender lol and for those saying the Spurs were the best defensive team at the time the Knicks weres also the best defensive team in the whole league in 1995.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hard to ignore the circumstances behind both.

You said 'who cares' that Miller hit those shots in the playoffs, and against New York. But then you mention Mcgrady doing it against the Spurs, and Tim Duncan.

Anyway, both were impressive. Tmac's took more skill and he worked harder for his shots.

[Pointguard]

Picking up a loose ball is a steal now? All they had to do was pick it up because the guy already slipped and the ball was going away from him. Open your eyes when you watch it again.
Catching a ball thrown to you that you can't evade is a steal now?:lol Reggie was literally running away from the ball before he caught it in stride. It was like a reverse olly oop going toward the three point line. Open your eyes and watch it again.


Who the hell is the games best long defender lol and for those saying the Spurs were the best defensive team at the time the Knicks weres also the best defensive team in the whole league in 1995.
The Knicks were never the best team against the three. Now folks don't know who Tim Duncan is.

[Reggie43]

Yeah the games best long defender that year was Tim Duncan and is definitely the guy you want guarding the perimeter lol.

Actually watched it more closely and only one of his shots was over Bowen who was screened off twice and wasnt even on the floor on the gamewinner. He hit one over Malik Rose off the screen, 4 point play on Duncan, a three on Bowen and lastly the winner off the Spurs scrambling defense.

Spurs played insanely bad defense especially Tim Duncan who bit on the fake and gave up the 4 point play and more importantly on the last play of the game wherein he was backpedalling like a headless chicken to the paint instead of trying to close out on Tmac and stop the ball.

[iamgine]

I'd say it like this, making 4 lucky desperation threes in a row is much harder than 2.

[Kblaze8855]

Rudy> _____


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[Overdrive]

In a vacuum, which one was more impressive? Forget about the fact that one was in the playoffs or the stakes. Just look at the individual performance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbtt6OGLms
T-Mac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOqD8tV8Tc
Reggie


In a vacuum? Like if I saw both unfold in a park with some randos?. Definately T-Mac. Yesn Miller scored more/s, but unlike the Knicks the Spurs kept adding points so Tracy had to hit his threes over a longer stretch.

The Knicks choked hard.

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah the games best long defender that year was Tim Duncan and is definitely the guy you want guarding the perimeter lol.

Actually watched it more closely and only one of his shots was over Bowen who was screened off twice and wasnt even on the floor on the gamewinner. He hit one over Malik Rose off the screen, 4 point play on Duncan, a three on Bowen and lastly the winner off the Spurs scrambling defense.

Spurs played insanely bad defense especially Tim Duncan who bit on the fake and gave up the 4 point play and more importantly on the last play of the game wherein he was backpedalling like a headless chicken to the paint instead of trying to close out on Tmac and stop the ball.

Wow. Somebody is insecure...

For starters..Bowen was screened before the ball was inbounded. After that he was guarding. And McGrady hit a ridiculous shot. It’s ok to say that, right? It doesn’t make Reggie Miller a worse player. If that makes you more comfortable.

Second: why would Duncan run at him on the last play and risk fouling him again? He was forced into a 27 foot runner with 3 people on him anyway.

[Reggie43]

Wow. Somebody is insecure...

For starters..Bowen was screened before the ball was inbounded. After that he was guarding. And McGrady hit a ridiculous shot. It’s ok to say that, right? It doesn’t make Reggie Miller a worse player. If that makes you more comfortable.

Second: why would Duncan run at him on the last play and risk fouling him again? He was forced into a 27 foot runner with 3 people on him anyway.

Not really lol. It was directed to a specific poster who quoted me so we had a back and forth. We are allowed to reply arent we? Both are obviously great plays so thats why I know why someone would pick one over the other.

Second: Duncan played bad defense you could watch it again he was running in the paint with his head swivelling with no idea where Tmac was even though at one point he was the closest guy to him.

Even goat level players have bad days doesnt make Duncan less of a player.

[Pointguard]

Yeah the games best long defender that year was Tim Duncan and is definitely the guy you want guarding the perimeter lol.
While dribbling he evaded the games best perimeter defender and shot over Tim Duncan who bumped him and Tmac got the four point play!

This gets better as you try to hate.

[Reggie43]

While dribbling he evaded the games best perimeter defender and shot over Tim Duncan who bumped him and Tmac got the four point play!

This gets better as you try to hate.

Houston set a pick for Tmac to force a switch against Duncan and take advantage of a mismatch on the perimeter just like they do with Gobert type defenders nowadays.

Its not really that hard to understand especially after they ran the play to take advantage of Malik Rose the first time but you weirdly praised Duncan as "the games best long defender" which might be true inside the paint but not while guarding the three point line.

[TAZORAC]

Mcgrady.

[RRR3]

T-Mac’s looked wayyyyy cooler and you all know it. That doesn’t answer the question I realize but still. I’d still say T-Mac because he was moving so much more and taking way harder shots.