If Progressivism is so good, then why have Progressive cities failed?

[Patrick Chewing]

Branching off from my thread asking the question of why are there so many Liberals on this website, I wanted to go further and understand the Liberal Progressive mindset even further.

Liberal Progressives come off as cult-like to me in their defense of their beliefs and their views, and God-forbid if you challenge them on their views, they will label you every derogatory term in the book for such blasphemy of questioning them and their motives. If you are not a Liberal Progressive, then you must be a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, fascist.

But it does beg the question...where in the United States has Progressivism ever worked? Where has it succeeded? Where has it thrived?


The two most Blue states in the country are seeing a mass exodus of residents due to Blue State policies. Those states are in financial ruin and are riddled with drug use and crime. Why is this? The Progressive Utopia is supposed to be an idea of equality, success, opportunity, and peace. There is none of that in New York and California. Detroit? Wasteland. Baltimore? Wasteland. Chicago? Riddled with crime. San Francisco? Riddled with feces and needles.


Is there a successful Progressive city in the United States of America right now where it is proven that Progressive policies are doing a better job than non-Progressive policies?


Which then begs the most obvious follow up question....why do people keep voting for Progressive if there is next to no successful track record of it. Is Progressivism really a disguise for Communism? There's no denying that the Democrat Party has been infiltrated by Communists, and some are even openly admitting to it with no repercussions whatsoever. So what is the reason by Progressivism has never worked in the United States??

[RRR3]

Assuming you’re using the general American term for progressive which basically means social Democrat (AOC, Bernie etc) I don’t think there are very many cities with Socdems as mayor, so dumb thread as usual. Btw the countries with the highest standard of living are all social democracies.

[Patrick Chewing]

Assuming you’re using the general American term for progressive which basically means social Democrat (AOC, Bernie etc) I don’t think there are very many cities with Socdems as mayor, so dumb thread as usual. Btw the countries with the highest standard of living are all social democracies.

That's just the thing, people like AOC and Bernie would never survive because they are Left of Left. They are Socialists. So if Liberal Progressives can barely get a successful state off the ground, then how the hell do you expect a Socialist will? The cure for failed Progressivism isn't to go further Left you dingbat.

[ShawkFactory]

Progressivism has a been a staple of American society/politics for over 100 years.

The current media-intensified version that you care about is completely different.

But to answer your question, most major cities lean blue. So just pick one. Atlanta in particular has flourished over the last 15-20 years.

[JohnnySic]

Progressives tend to be idealists and dreamers (in a bad way) and a society full of people like that doesn't work, literally and figuratively. You need people who role up their sleeves and work. Specifically, you need blue collar types to build things and maintain things.

[Lakers Legend#32]

What does Chewing care? He lives in Mississippi.

[Off the Court]

What does Chewing care? He lives in Mississippi.
He's a Kansas farm boy like tpols.

[8Ball]

Progressive cities haven't failed. What are you talking about.

Some of the more progressive cities in the world are the richest and have the most inhabitants.

[Patrick Chewing]

Progressive cities haven't failed. What are you talking about.

Some of the more progressive cities in the world are the richest and have the most inhabitants.

New York, Chicago, Baltimore, San Francisco, Detroit aren't failing?

[DoctorP]

New York, Chicago, Baltimore, San Francisco, Detroit aren't failing?

No. Only you are failing. :lol

[SATAN]

He's like the far right wing version 3ball.

[Lakers Legend#32]

To Chewing a big city is Pig's Knuckle, Mississippi.

[RRR3]

That's just the thing, people like AOC and Bernie would never survive because they are Left of Left. They are Socialists. So if Liberal Progressives can barely get a successful state off the ground, then how the hell do you expect a Socialist will? The cure for failed Progressivism isn't to go further Left you dingbat.
You literally didn’t respond to anything I wrote.

[oldtimer28]

New York, Chicago, Baltimore, San Francisco, Detroit aren't failing?

Thanks. You are the only person to provide examples except someone mentioning Atlanta - which doesn't seem a success story to me. However how do we judge success?

[ShawkFactory]

Thanks. You are the only person to provide examples except someone mentioning Atlanta - which doesn't seem a success story to me. However how do we judge success?

How do we judge failure? It seems to be increased crime rate and decreased population. In which case Atlanta is absolutely a success. The population, and the city itself, has bloomed and the crime rate has plummeted :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

and the crime rate has plummeted

Not in the last two years.

[ShawkFactory]

Not in the last two years.

You’re joking right? :lol

Regardless, the crime rate in Atlanta has halved since 01 and the population has nearly doubled. And this doesn’t even include all of the new shit that exists here that didn’t 15 years ago either.

Literally the definition of a success. By your standards

[Patrick Chewing]

You’re joking right? :lol

Regardless, the crime rate in Atlanta has halved since 01 and the population has nearly doubled. And this doesn’t even include all of the new shit that exists here that didn’t 15 years ago either.

Literally the definition of a success. By your standards

No, I'm not joking. Crime has spiked in Atlanta in 2020 and 2021. You know....that whole Defund the Police movement. Just as crime is up in New York. If you haven't been attacked with a hatchet by a mentally unstable man in New York, you haven't been to New York.


But all in all, Atlanta is thriving. I don't know about Progressive policies, but when everyone brings their business down South to Atlanta, it helps. You also have Delta, Home Depot, Coca-Cola, Tyler Perry...who else? Atlanta is destined to thrive.

[outofstomach]

if conservatism is so good and righteous why do the incels and white supremacists tend to ascribe to their ideologies so extremely? :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

if conservatism is so good and righteous why do the incels and white supremacists tend to ascribe to their ideologies so extremely? :applause:

Incels usually look like RRR3 and overweight people such as yourself, highweight. They cannot get women because they are butt ****ing ugly. And your politics usually lean Left.


And where are these White Supremacists you speak of? Where do you find these people? Show them to me.

[Chick Stern]

if conservatism is so good and righteous why do the incels and white supremacists tend to ascribe to their ideologies so extremely? :applause:
If conservatism is so good, why are all the poorest states conservative ran? Why is liberal California the state that feeds America, provides the most GDP to the nation, and is the 5th largest economy in the entire world?
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[ShawkFactory]

No, I'm not joking. Crime has spiked in Atlanta in 2020 and 2021. You know....that whole Defund the Police movement. Just as crime is up in New York. If you haven't been attacked with a hatchet by a mentally unstable man in New York, you haven't been to New York.


But all in all, Atlanta is thriving. I don't know about Progressive policies, but when everyone brings their business down South to Atlanta, it helps. You also have Delta, Home Depot, Coca-Cola, Tyler Perry...who else? Atlanta is destined to thrive.

Crime has spiked nation-wide the last 2 years. There are various factors involved in that that doesn’t have anything to do with this city or that city “failing”.

But yea Atlanta also has countless musicians and every movie and television show these days.

My previous apartment complex had notices every other week about filming taking place outside

[Mr. Woke]

Without wokeness and progressivism, this country would become a fascist and fundamentalist Christian theocracy.

People who are anti-woke and regressive are parasites that need to be eliminated.

[Chick Stern]

No, I'm not joking. Crime has spiked in Atlanta in 2020 and 2021. You know....that whole Defund the Police movement. Just as crime is up in New York. If you haven't been attacked with a hatchet by a mentally unstable man in New York, you haven't been to New York.


But all in all, Atlanta is thriving. I don't know about Progressive policies, but when everyone brings their business down South to Atlanta, it helps. You also have Delta, Home Depot, Coca-Cola, Tyler Perry...who else? Atlanta is destined to thrive.
So the crime spiked during a Con presidency...

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[Patrick Chewing]

So the crime spiked during a Con presidency...

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The President doesn't run Atlanta you turkey.

[oldtimer28]

How do we judge failure? It seems to be increased crime rate and decreased population. In which case Atlanta is absolutely a success. The population, and the city itself, has bloomed and the crime rate has plummeted :confusedshrug:



Location Atlanta. Happy you're happy but I don't see Atlanta on this or other lists...

Thoughts?

www.businessinsider.com/us-news-best-places-to-live-in-america-2016-3%3famp

[outofstomach]

So the crime spiked during a Con presidency...

https://tricycle-creative.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/giphy.gif
:lol

[ShawkFactory]

Location Atlanta. Happy you're happy but I don't see Atlanta on this or other lists...

Thoughts?

www.businessinsider.com/us-news-best-places-to-live-in-america-2016-3%3famp
Well yea because you only know what you see. Same as the rest of us

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dang, no response to this yet?


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[Doomsday Dallas]

Dang, no response to this yet?

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[Doomsday Dallas]

Dang, no response to this yet?

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[Doomsday Dallas]

Dang, no response to this yet?

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[Doomsday Dallas]

Dang, no response to this yet?

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[Doomsday Dallas]

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[Doomsday Dallas]

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[Doomsday Dallas]

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[Doomsday Dallas]

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[Doomsday Dallas]

Oh yea... Forgot about Chicago.


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[oldtimer28]

Well yea because you only know what you see. Same as the rest of us

No, some of us have lived in a variety of places and also read widely to consider other places.

Not disparaging Atlanta, just using other U.S comparisons for success.

On bball:
I miss the Wilkins teams. Can't stand Trae's style but he was dominant in the playoffs.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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[ShawkFactory]

No, some of us have lived in a variety of places and also read widely to consider other places.

Not disparaging Atlanta, just using other U.S comparisons for success.

On bball:
I miss the Wilkins teams. Can't stand Trae's style but he was dominant in the playoffs.

What are those? I’ve been in a variety of places too mate.

I’m not saying Atlanta is the best city in the country or anything but given OPs criteria it is undoubtedly a success. That’s it :confusedshrug:

[kabar]

Wow this dumb **** has his world view shaped by memes and infographics. Incredible.

[BigKobeFan]

Wow this dumb **** has his world view shaped by memes and infographics. Incredible.

The village idiot showed his face

[AKA_AAP]

The progressive losers at ISH can't even afford to live in California...:facepalm

[Doomsday Dallas]

Wow this dumb **** has his world view shaped by memes and infographics. Incredible.

Yea it's basically become a meme at this point.

Blue Areas are typically a cesspool of garbage... you really don't have to be that smart to figure this out in 2021.

However, California and the entire West Coast though... they are a special kind of garbage. Just the worst kind of woke liberal socialist garbage there is.

I mean, I can forgive Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and even Philly... But SF, LA, SEA, and Portland have become truly disgraceful.

Sad thing is most of those urban areas are beyond saving, and yet there are masses of folks that will still defend the types of lifestyles found in these areas.


It's like the majority of Democratic Supporters have subscribed to this "Ghetto Fabulous" philosophy with absolutely no shame in begging the plantation for a handout.

It's sad and it's unacceptable.... and it should not be acceptable to any citizen that is a decent human being.

If you vote blue... you're an enabler. Nothing more than an enabler. Amazing how many clueless democrats have enabled the problem for so long.


look at San Fransisco's genius idea for Christ's sake:


The city distributes approximately 400,000 syringes per month, about 18 per person, or one every one and a half to two days, between 4.45 to 4.8 million annually.

Who's the liberal that came up with that brilliant idea? Distributing syringes... just f*cking brilliant.

[diamenz]

Yea it's basically become a meme at this point.

Blue Areas are typically a cesspool of garbage... you really don't have to be that smart to figure this out in 2021.

However, California and the entire West Coast though... they are a special kind of garbage. Just the worst kind of woke liberal socialist garbage there is.

I mean, I can forgive Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and even Philly... But SF, LA, SEA, and Portland have become truly disgraceful.

Sad thing is most of those urban areas are beyond saving, and yet there are masses of folks that will still defend the types of lifestyles found in these areas.


It's like the majority of Democratic Supporters have subscribed to this "Ghetto Fabulous" philosophy with absolutely no shame in begging the plantation for a handout.

It's sad and it's unacceptable.... and it should not be acceptable to any citizen that is a decent human being.

If you vote blue... you're an enabler. Nothing more than an enabler. Amazing how many clueless democrats have enabled the problem for so long.


look at San Fransisco's genius idea for Christ's sake:



Who's the liberal that came up with that brilliant idea? Distributing syringes... just f*cking brilliant.

because addicts are going to use them regardless, and a lot of addicts reuse not only their own , but other people's syringes to shoot.

what exactly would a republican run city government do differently in order to make sweeping changes to the poorest urban neighborhoods? simply cutting funding for social programs isn't going to make 'lazy ni99z' suddenly jump on their feet and start working their fingers to the bone.

all of this 'democratic cities failing' is a whole lot of political weaponization if you ask me. big cities with large swaths of third world zoning are going to have problems regardless of what party is in charge. the way i look at it, the fiscal differences between a moderate dem gov and a moderate repub gov would be negligible.

it's not like there's not "FAILING" red towns. you guys should see gaston, nc first hand. i've been there - it's terrible. Its f***ing third world. it's predominantly poor white and the politics there lean strongly conservative. but no one talks about places like gaston because it's barely on the map.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dooms came in here and laid waste to the Progressive notion of success. Fat boy highweight nowhere to be seen.

:applause:

[Nanners]

Instead of pointing out the countless examples of progressive city failures, can anyone point to a single progressive city success story?

Up until about 2015 I would have said that Portland was a progressive success story... back then the homeless were barely noticeable, Antifa and the millitant anarchists didnt exist, and I felt safe walking thru any part of town at any time of night... kind of amazing how quickly things changed here. These days it feels like a literal zombie apocalypse in the bad parts of town - there are hordes of people staggering around, constantly screaming and babbling incoherent nonsense, and trying to chase/attack anyone who isnt one of them.

[Off the Court]

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Those garbage blue cities produce all of our wealth. Even most of the top red earning counties are in NY and CA.

[AKA_AAP]

California use to be the Golden State. Clean state, booming economy, everyone from all over the world and the nation were migrating to California. This was when the state was a Republican stronghold.

Fast forward to the 2000's when it became a Democrat state for 20 years...:
-high taxes
-inventing more ways to tax people
-high regulation
-high cost of living
-negative migration
-high crime
-high level of homelessness
-water crisis
-electrical grid crisis
-wildfires crisis
-more racism
-too much of the gdp depends on Silicon Valley
-anti-small business state
-governor passing pro pedophilia bills
-terrible schools (k-12)

Failing democrat policies is what turned California from the Republican Golden State to the democrat shiit hole that it is today. Nowhere in the country does democrat policies uplift a state.

[JohnnySic]

Yea it's basically become a meme at this point.

Blue Areas are typically a cesspool of garbage... you really don't have to be that smart to figure this out in 2021.

However, California and the entire West Coast though... they are a special kind of garbage. Just the worst kind of woke liberal socialist garbage there is.

I mean, I can forgive Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and even Philly... But SF, LA, SEA, and Portland have become truly disgraceful.

Sad thing is most of those urban areas are beyond saving, and yet there are masses of folks that will still defend the types of lifestyles found in these areas.


It's like the majority of Democratic Supporters have subscribed to this "Ghetto Fabulous" philosophy with absolutely no shame in begging the plantation for a handout.

It's sad and it's unacceptable.... and it should not be acceptable to any citizen that is a decent human being.

If you vote blue... you're an enabler. Nothing more than an enabler. Amazing how many clueless democrats have enabled the problem for so long.


look at San Fransisco's genius idea for Christ's sake:



Who's the liberal that came up with that brilliant idea? Distributing syringes... just f*cking brilliant.

Yeah, this. The left coast is another level of libtardation. The Northeast may be blue unfortunately but at least it hasn't gone full retard, although NYC is teetering close to the iceberg. Be careful out there.

[JohnnySic]

This is unbelievable. :roll:

https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-initiative-will-pay-residents-each-month-not-to-shoot-others

[Patrick Chewing]

This is unbelievable. :roll:

https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-initiative-will-pay-residents-each-month-not-to-shoot-others

California baby! :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

This is unbelievable. :roll:

https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-initiative-will-pay-residents-each-month-not-to-shoot-others



The city of San Francisco will pay 10 lucky individuals who are "at high risk of shooting someone" $300 not to pull the trigger or be involved in shootings.

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