Why Wilt couldn't play like Shaq or Lebron

[coastalmarker99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-XTPVBOCLw&t=1s

The strict rules on offensive fouls in the 1960 and 1970s is the main reason why most of the 1960s/70s big's were very well versed in their post-games

They had to create hooks, fadeaways & any other kind of shot that would lower the risk of a foul. Wilt still dropped 30+ PTS a night despite playing under these strict rules.

[coastalmarker99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FTALuIv2B0&t=13s


The move that Lebron always makes in extending his elbow and pushing off would be instantly called for an offensive foul under 1960's and 1970's rules.




Today the Ref's probably call only 35% of travels, carries, double dribbles, and offensive fouls nowadays tbh they called almost everything back when Wilt played because the rules were way stricter.

[coastalmarker99]

Darryl Dawkins is a player who played incredibly physical and was always getting called for offensive fouls.



As that level of physicality wasn't allowed during that time.



There was the reason why he averaged so many fouls as many of them were on the offensive side of the ball.

[coastalmarker99]

Shaq and Wilt were very similar players in the post




As both used the same moves hell Shaq even copied Wilt's old baseline spin move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjwkiXiwzCY#t=2m54s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNw0c19DhIU#t=34m46s



Below is a clip of this attempted trap of Hal Greer by Havlicek and Embry, and Wilt makes himself available to Greer for the pass and dunk you may have to watch in slow motion to really see the whole play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Np29MW_XN8&t=27m53s


A couple more examples of failed baseline traps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCmKvHJNoQ&t=17m29s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCmKvHJNoQ&t=22m13s

[coastalmarker99]

Shaq and Wilt were both incredibly skilful players in the post.



Shaq had a lot of moves down low including his little short midrange J and his famous jump hook and drop steps.




Wilt had a lot of moves down low including his fadeaway and his famous finger roll to go along with a hook shot.




Also, Why does nobody talk about Wilt's length of step? With gather+2 it would be unfair today especially on the fastbreak.







https://i1.imageban.ru/out/2018/04/21/fb0a66bb994eefb7cdfc446c17f808a7.gif


Wilt Chamberlain rips rebound from Bill Russell and runs the fast break!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezwvlenIcbE



Insane Speed of Prime Wilt Chamberlain



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6sQhV7ipks&t=3s






I personally believe that Wilt's footwork in the post is very underrated nowadays. He didn't have the same flash Hakeem had and he wasn't as polished as Kareem or Duncan, but he mastered it to his strengths.





The truth is that he had the footwork to attack from either post and from either side.



He also didn't travel as many post moves especially today are travels that would have been instantly called in Wilt's era.

[HoopsNY]

If the 2000 Pacers had peak Wilt, how does that season and finals go against the Lakers? I think the Pacers win given how Miller ran circles around Kobe and that Wilt could neutralize Shaq to some extent. I also think they win at least 60 games.

[coastalmarker99]

If the 2000 Pacers had peak Wilt, how does that season and finals go against the Lakers? I think the Pacers win given how Miller ran circles around Kobe and that Wilt could neutralize Shaq to some extent. I also think they win at least 60 games.




The 2000 Pacers with peak Wilt would win in 5 or 6 games against the 2000 Lakers.



The centers Shaq faced in the 2000 Playoff run: Vlade Divac, Luc Longley, a 36 year old Aryvadonis Sabonis, and Rik Smits.

The centers Wilt faced in the 1967 Playoff run: Jerry Lucas, Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond.



Shaq's series against the best defender of the lot (Sabonis): 26-12-4 on 55% TS. 18-9-5 in the closeout game.




Wilt's series against the best defender of the lot (Russell): 22-32-10- 12 on 57% TS.


29-36-13-17 in the closeout game.


3 triple-doubles in the series to along with two quadruple doubles and 20-20 in every game.




Against Bill Russell. Whom some call the greatest player to ever have lived.

[Axe]

If the 2000 Pacers had peak Wilt, how does that season and finals go against the Lakers? I think the Pacers win given how Miller ran circles around Kobe and that Wilt could neutralize Shaq to some extent. I also think they win at least 60 games.
:applause:

3ball?

[coastalmarker99]

If the 2000 Pacers had peak Wilt, how does that season and finals go against the Lakers? I think the Pacers win given how Miller ran circles around Kobe and that Wilt could neutralize Shaq to some extent. I also think they win at least 60 games.



Wilt at his peak in 1967 for the playoffs over 15 Games averaged.


21.7 PTS 29.1 REBS 9.0 ASTS 9.2 BLKS on 55 percent shooting.




Wilt in that 1967 playoff run faced teams with 6 top 50 players of all-time



(Russell, Thurmond, Barry, Jones, Oscar, and Hondo) while Shaq faced zero in the 2000 playoffs.

[Reggie43]

In what universe would Wilt be playing like Lebron lol.

[Thenameless]

If the 2000 Pacers had peak Wilt, how does that season and finals go against the Lakers? I think the Pacers win given how Miller ran circles around Kobe and that Wilt could neutralize Shaq to some extent. I also think they win at least 60 games.

I think the other way around regarding Shaq and Wilt. Shaq might be able to go toe to toe with Wilt for one quarter, but then he'd be gassed and have to sit on the bench. In the meantime, Wilt would just keep on dominating any Lakers backup center as he could go full throttle for 48 minutes. Wilt versus Devan George is a really bad look. Both men were a 10 on offense, but Wilt was also a 10 on defense while Shaq was maybe an 8. Wilt was also the better rebounder.

Basically, it's pretty close while both are fresh, but still advantage Wilt. The gap widens substantially because of Wilt's superior endurance.

[Round Mound]

I still don't understand all this hate against Wilt on the forum. :confusedshrug:

[Psileas]

Not only were offensive foul rules different back then (I've even seen young, skinny Kareem get whistled just because he extended his hand a little more than 90 degrees vs massive opponents like Wilt or Bellamy), 3 second rules were immensely more strict and, similarly, I've seen Wilt get whistled before even staying 3'' in the paint at all. All this stuff with Shaq endlessly bumping and bumping and throwing elbows for several seconds in the paint would be so blatantly against the rules, there's no way he could have played similarly back then.

[coastalmarker99]

Not only were offensive foul rules different back then (I've even seen young, skinny Kareem get whistled just because he extended his hand a little more than 90 degrees vs massive opponents like Wilt or Bellamy), 3 second rules were immensely more strict and, similarly, I've seen Wilt get whistled before even staying 3'' in the paint at all. All this stuff with Shaq endlessly bumping and bumping and throwing elbows for several seconds in the paint would be so blatantly against the rules, there's no way he could have played similarly back then.


HI Psileas have you seen my post about how bad the Warriors offence was when they didn’t involve Wilt.

[Psileas]

HI Psileas have you seen my post about how bad the Warriors offence was when they didn’t involve Wilt.

Not yet, but I will. I won't be surprised at anything. This is the same team whose vets minus Wilt couldn't win a scrimmage against the rookie/cut player unit in the beginning of that season, much like a college team, when a young Wilt or Alcindor would lead the freshmen to wins over the "varsity" teams, except the rookies here didn't even need a Wilt or Kareem to do so.