Reminder Simmons is still on the 76ers

[GrayGoat]

Desperate times ahead. That Indiana offer is looking better and better with each passing day :pimp:

[jamesmax1991]

He will be leaving soon, before the start of the season. They have to do it and the 76ers need to lower their expectations a bit!

Check this out - I think its the best deal out there for them (THAT MAKES SENSE)


https://youtu.be/kXtFSUfwh2k

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Desperate times ahead. That Indiana offer is looking better and better with each passing day :pimp:

I'd still do it as the Pacers. Was it offered before re-signing TJ McConnell though? Cause I think now would have to include Lamb who Pacers have been looking to trade because the have Levert, Sumner, Brissett, Holiday, Duarte.

Caris Levert
TJ Warren
Ben Simmons
Domantas Sabonis
Myles Turner

TJ McConnell
Edmund Sumner
Chris Duarte
Oshae Brissett
Justin Holiday
Isiah Jackson
Goga Bitadze

[GOBB]

Yeah because Malcolm Brogdon and a rookie makes us significantly better. People act like Sixers having won the past 4 seasons with Ben Simmons. The issue is getting to the finals if not winning it. That only happens if you bring a top player to the team. Or you hope Doc coaches better, the bench is upgraded and improves and Ben Simmons performs better than he ever has in his career via postseason.

Other than that Sixers still a top 3 team in the East, will win well over 60% of their games. And this is with Ben.

Fans who want Ben to be traded just to be traded are terrorists.

[coastalmarker99]

Yeah because Malcolm Brogdon and a rookie makes us significantly better. People act like Sixers having won the past 4 seasons with Ben Simmons. The issue is getting to the finals if not winning it. That only happens if you bring a top player to the team. Or you hope Doc coaches better, the bench is upgraded and improves and Ben Simmons performs better than he ever has in his career via postseason.

Other than that Sixers still a top 3 team in the East, will win well over 60% of their games. And this is with Ben.

Fans who want Ben to be traded just to be traded are terrorists.




The 76ers are only going to trade Ben for a player such as Dame.



if Embiid had Dame as his wingman I think The 76ers would be unstoppable.

[pandiani17]

The 76ers are only going to trade Ben for a player such as Dame.



if Embiid had Dame as his wingman I think The 76ers would be unstoppable.

And do you think a team is going to offer a player like such as Dame for Simmons after his postseason struggles?:biggums:

IMO, the Sixers are in a no-win situation right now, if they trade Ben it will have to be for a package far worse than what they could get last year. And if they don't trade him they will have to put up with an unhappy player who seems to be annoyed with his teammates and coach because of what they said after Game 7 against the Hawks.

[Mask the Embiid]

All we need is one team to be dumb enough to think that he can be giannis if they surround him with 4 shooters and we are going to rob them blind…. Just need one team dumb enough….let’s take our time and Get the best deal

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah because Malcolm Brogdon and a rookie makes us significantly better. People act like Sixers having won the past 4 seasons with Ben Simmons. The issue is getting to the finals if not winning it. That only happens if you bring a top player to the team. Or you hope Doc coaches better, the bench is upgraded and improves and Ben Simmons performs better than he ever has in his career via postseason.

Other than that Sixers still a top 3 team in the East, will win well over 60% of their games. And this is with Ben.

Fans who want Ben to be traded just to be traded are terrorists.

You're hoping some other team is going to trade you a proven playoff performer for a proven playoff shrinker. Good luck.

[RRR3]

All we need is one team to be dumb enough to think that he can be giannis if they surround him with 4 shooters and we are going to rob them blind…. Just need one team dumb enough….let’s take our time and Get the best deal
If there was a team that dumb he’d be gone now wouldn’t he?

[AirBonner]

All we need is one team to be dumb enough to think that he can be giannis if they surround him with 4 shooters and we are going to rob them blind…. Just need one team dumb enough….let’s take our time and Get the best deal

Lol not even the magic would be that stupid

[Reggie43]

Pacers still has the assets to do it but them getting a good coach lessened the need to stir the pot. They probably want to see what they could do with a healthy team led by a very good coach in Carlisle.

[sixerfan82]

And unless Lillard is offered, he will probably stay there.

[NugzFan]

Yeah because Malcolm Brogdon and a rookie makes us significantly better. People act like Sixers having won the past 4 seasons with Ben Simmons. The issue is getting to the finals if not winning it. That only happens if you bring a top player to the team. Or you hope Doc coaches better, the bench is upgraded and improves and Ben Simmons performs better than he ever has in his career via postseason.

Other than that Sixers still a top 3 team in the East, will win well over 60% of their games. And this is with Ben.

Fans who want Ben to be traded just to be traded are terrorists.

Do you expect any simmons trade to make Philadelphia “significantly better”?

[AussieSteve]

Let's say Ben works his ass off this off season and develops a jump shot that demands at least some respect out to the 3pt line. Is he a championship level 2nd fiddle?

Elite passing, D and transition game, with serviceable jump shot?

[LAL]

Yeah because Malcolm Brogdon and a rookie makes us significantly better. People act like Sixers having won the past 4 seasons with Ben Simmons. The issue is getting to the finals if not winning it. That only happens if you bring a top player to the team. Or you hope Doc coaches better, the bench is upgraded and improves and Ben Simmons performs better than he ever has in his career via postseason.

Other than that Sixers still a top 3 team in the East, will win well over 60% of their games. And this is with Ben.

Fans who want Ben to be traded just to be traded are terrorists.

Ben's brother/shooting coach right here folks. Hilarious.

[Axe]

Maybe big daddy kong should go after him

[pandiani17]

You're hoping some other team is going to trade you a proven playoff performer for a proven playoff shrinker. Good luck.

This. lol @ Sixers Front Office for still (at the end of August) hoping that a team is going to offer them an upgrade for Ben Simmons.

[GOBB]

James Harden was traded for who again? You dudes keep thinking teams are smart and won’t trade their best player. It happens time and time again. Most of the time the player forces their way out. Anthony Davis is another. Paul George went to OKC only to turn around and go to LAC. I can go on and on. Stop acting like players such as Dame Lillard aren’t tradable. Dame taps his watch and tells Portland it’s time. He’s going wherever he wants most likely.

You dudes got to start using your brains and the common sense god blessed you with. Time and time again you guys post opinions based on how you feel the league should be ran as far as trades, contracts etc Doesn’t work like that. Get an understanding of how the Nba operates and form a reasonable opinion based on that. Not from your rectum. Some of you have been posting here a long time and still don’t get it. Yikes


Do you expect any simmons trade to make Philadelphia “significantly better”?

I expect the sixers to only trade him for something that makes them better. Not a lateral move or a move that makes them go a step or two backwards on the basis of we will make those steps up down the road. There’s a reason why Ben is still here. Sixers are not giving him up for Malcolm Brogdon and a first. Morey has his eyes on a select few guys and if he can’t get them? Then we run with Ben. Who in spite of all the criticism he has received (warranted) is still a good enough player where we are a top 3 East team. Good enough to win title? No. Good enough to win the East? Eh, a few things I mentioned would have to line up perfectly.

[GOBB]

Let's say Ben works his ass off this off season and develops a jump shot that demands at least some respect out to the 3pt line. Is he a championship level 2nd fiddle?

Elite passing, D and transition game, with serviceable jump shot?

Of course. The sixers would be so much better if he did what you said. Truth of the matter is that’s not a reality.

[NugzFan]

I expect the sixers to only trade him for something that makes them better. Not a lateral move or a move that makes them go a step or two backwards on the basis of we will make those steps up down the road. There’s a reason why Ben is still here. Sixers are not giving him up for Malcolm Brogdon and a first. Morey has his eyes on a select few guys and if he can’t get them? Then we run with Ben. Who in spite of all the criticism he has received (warranted) is still a good enough player where we are a top 3 East team. Good enough to win title? No. Good enough to win the East? Eh, a few things I mentioned would have to line up perfectly.


But that may not be possible. The sixers may eventually have to trade him for less than they think he’s worth.

Trades require both sides to agree. The sixers can’t just turn down every deal. Eventually they have to accept, even if it’s not the ideal return.

[Derka]

But Ben has preferred trade destinations! :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

What team actually wants to pay Ben Simmons the max? IDK how the 6ers are going to trade this guy. The teams that can match what they want don't actually want Simmons at that price.

[GOBB]

But that may not be possible. The sixers may eventually have to trade him for less than they think he’s worth.

Trades require both sides to agree. The sixers can’t just turn down every deal. Eventually they have to accept, even if it’s not the ideal return.

It may not be possible based on what? You think Sixers ultimately will have to trade Ben. I’m telling you they don’t. The narrative that the situation in Philly is one where Ben wants out but Philly is trying their best to hold on and not trade him for anything isn’t true. The sixers have won with Ben. They have been a top East team with Ben. They have made it to the playoffs 4 years in a row. Their shortcomings isn’t one constant and that being Ben Simmons. It’s multiple issues from head coaching (with Brett) to bench to a star being injured etc

Sixers lost a series they should have won. They had a great home record and lost games at home vs Hawks.

I don’t see where the relationship with Ben and Sixers is sour. Until that day comes then maybe you are right that they all have to accept a deal lesser than what they want. But that’s not now. All I’m saying. Sixers are not a team where you trade Ben for draft picks and unproven young guys. Or a starter and unknown rookie. Sixers need to take advantage of Embiid prime years now. Anything lesser than Ben Simmons doesn’t work. You’re better off holding onto Ben where he doesn’t have a bad playoffs. What he did was an anomaly to me. Shooting 30% FT or some weird shit. But what most fans overlook is Ben could be great in the playoffs and Sixers could come up short in 2nd rd. Why?

1. Doc rivers coaching and lack of in game adjustments
2. Weak bench
3. Could be Tobias Harris turn to sh*t the bed and then it’s a crapload of trade Harris for xyz


Everyone wants to get rid of Ben without thinking about making this team better.

[GOBB]

What team actually wants to pay Ben Simmons the max? IDK how the 6ers are going to trade this guy. The teams that can match what they want don't actually want Simmons at that price.

Fan logic sometimes just blow a my mind. Terry Rozier just got $24mil per. Al horford got $20mil per on a 4 year deal. I can sit here and run off names and contracts which was either given and/or traded for. The thought was NO ONE is trading for Horford contract. The age, the amount? Good luck. Guess what? He’s been traded.

So stop with this nonsense of who will trade for Ben and his max. Same teams who would offer Ben a max if he were a free agent this summer. You guys kill me. Do you follow the nba? Because if you did you would understand the trends, the history, the patterns etc and thus it would help you not make posts like these.

[GOBB]

But Ben has preferred trade destinations! :oldlol:

He has no say where he goes. None. Keep giggling tho

[GrayGoat]

Fan logic sometimes just blow a my mind. Terry Rozier just got $24mil per. Al horford got $20mil per on a 4 year deal. I can sit here and run off names and contracts which was either given and/or traded for. The thought was NO ONE is trading for Horford contract. The age, the amount? Good luck. Guess what? He’s been traded.

So stop with this nonsense of who will trade for Ben and his max. Same teams who would offer Ben a max if he were a free agent this summer. You guys kill me. Do you follow the nba? Because if you did you would understand the trends, the history, the patterns etc and thus it would help you not make posts like these.

Terry Rozier has been a near 40% 3 pt shooter with good defense. Two way player. What about Simmons?

[GOBB]

Terry Rozier has been a near 40% 3 pt shooter with good defense. Two way player. What about Simmons?

What does that have to do with players being overpaid? Ben Simmons is an elite defensive player. Ben Simmons ranks high in assisted pts (top 7) and ranks #1 in assisted 3’s in the NBA. I can go on about where Ben is better.

What point were you trying to make again? I’m confused. Try again

[GrayGoat]

What does that have to do with players being overpaid? Ben Simmons is an elite defensive player. Ben Simmons ranks high in assisted pts (top 7) and ranks #1 in assisted 3’s in the NBA. I can go on about where Ben is better.

What point were you trying to make again? I’m confused. Try again

It has to do with players bringing something to the team. 5 on 4 offense is not worth 30 million a season

[GOBB]

It has to do with players bringing something to the team. 5 on 4 offense is not worth 30 million a season

Ben brings more to the sixers than Rozier does to the Hornets. That’s not even debatable. Majority of the league is getting paid more than what we as fans feel they are worth. Welcome to 2021 and the NBA. Where have you been?

[GrayGoat]

Ben brings more to the sixers than Rozier does to the Hornets. That’s not even debatable. Majority of the league is getting paid more than what we as fans feel they are worth. Welcome to 2021 and the NBA. Where have you been?

It is debatable because Simmons 9pts a game are not valuable. I can’t wait till they trade him for scrap. You will be humbled

[hateraid]

I'm glad none of y'all are Sixers management. That Pacer deal is garbage for a Simmons calibre player. I'm glad Morey isn't backing down and making a panic trade. Once Ben gets traded and it isn't an elite scoring gaurd you all would be saying we got ripped off. Keep Simmons. I'll do either Dame, Fox, Cole Anthony/Isaac package...or players to that calibre.

[ralph_i_el]

Fan logic sometimes just blow a my mind. Terry Rozier just got $24mil per. Al horford got $20mil per on a 4 year deal. I can sit here and run off names and contracts which was either given and/or traded for. The thought was NO ONE is trading for Horford contract. The age, the amount? Good luck. Guess what? He’s been traded.

So stop with this nonsense of who will trade for Ben and his max. Same teams who would offer Ben a max if he were a free agent this summer. You guys kill me. Do you follow the nba? Because if you did you would understand the trends, the history, the patterns etc and thus it would help you not make posts like these.

Horford was traded for another bad contract that was willing to be bought out. IDK what that has to do with any of this. Dumb **** teams would offer Simmons the max. I said that before the 6ers paid him, and I'm looking more correct every day. What happens to the 6ers offense when the ball is out of Simmons hands in the half-court is inexcusable. His impact on spacing probably costs them 5-10 points every game. The 6ers would be better off paying Terry Rozier if they had the opportunity.

Nobody is going to trade the 6ers what they are demanding for Simmons. You are not getting a 1st or 2nd team all NBA guy for him. Sorry.

[Mauzah]

GOBB, what kind of realistic trade scenarios for Ben Simmons do you think are out there? Outside of Portland I can't think of much but it wouldn't be for Dame, most likely McCollum

[hateraid]

GOBB, what kind of realistic trade scenarios for Ben Simmons do you think are out there? Outside of Portland I can't think of much but it wouldn't be for Dame, most likely McCollum

Not speaking for GOBB but for a realistic swap I'd take D'Aaron Fox and that long term value

[Mauzah]

Not speaking for GOBB but for a realistic swap I'd take D'Aaron Fox and that long term value

That's right, I forgot about the Fox deal. Not too high on Fox myself but the same goes for BS.

[ralph_i_el]

What does that have to do with players being overpaid? Ben Simmons is an elite defensive player. Ben Simmons ranks high in assisted pts (top 7) and ranks #1 in assisted 3Â’s in the NBA. I can go on about where Ben is better.

What point were you trying to make again? IÂ’m confused. Try again

He ranks highly in all those things because you are forced to put the ball in his hands. Unless he's making plays, your halfcourt offense is ****ed. Of course he's going to get a lot of assists....he doesn't shoot! Players that touch the ball as much as him generally can score AND pass.

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You have to go all the way down to Draymond to find a high-touches player that scores less than Simmons. Lonzo scores more.

[ralph_i_el]

https://i.ibb.co/yRHjFPq/ben-fastbreak.png (https://ibb.co/59bHh4L)

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Ben has one of the highest rate of transition plays (of players that played at least 50 games and 10mpg)....but his team's points per possession on these plays is low, and his turnover rate on them was one of the league's highest (and the other players that top that list are bigs or young players). Nobody else that turns it over like him handles the ball in transition nearly as much.

He racks up stats by forcing transition, but he's not particularly efficient in these situations and those situations become fewer in the playoffs. His foul rate in transition is high....because teams aren't afraid to send him to the line. Fouling Ben on a fastbreak is a much lower expected Points Per Play than you would expect from letting just about any guard run the break.

Last season the 6ers had 1.13 points per play in transition. With Ben running the break, it was a flat 1.0 Points per play. If you foul him and he's shooting 50%, that's 1.0 points per play, which is the efficiency of the least efficient fastbreak team last year.

So the thing he's theoretically best at on offense....he's statistically below average at.

[SaintzFury13]

James Harden was traded for who again?

Kevin Martin who was still a pretty damn good scorer at the time and a few other picks I believe. It wasn't necessarily a bad trade. James Harden was going to want to be a starter, his best use was coming off the bench and being the best sixth man in the league. OKC was in a bad situation either way. It isn't like trading Harden away hindered them in the seasons to come. Apart from 2016, their failures in the playoffs had more to do with untimely injuries.


You dudes keep thinking teams are smart and won’t trade their best player. It happens time and time again. Most of the time the player forces their way out. Anthony Davis is another. Paul George went to OKC only to turn around and go to LAC. I can go on and on.

These are seriously the best examples you have?

Anthony Davis and Paul George both had legitimate trade value at the time. You could get decent packages centered around them. New Orleans got an incredible trade package for Anthony Davis. And Indiana at the time received a lot of criticism for what they got in return, but that turned out to be a great trade for them.

You would have been better off mentioning someone like Kevin Love, who wanted out for quite a few years and was never able to get that request because Minnesota couldn't get anything that they wanted in return. It wasn't until Cleveland drafted Wiggins that Minnesota was finally able to get Kevin traded. And Kevin had much greater trade value at the time than Ben does now.


Stop acting like players such as Dame Lillard aren’t tradable. Dame taps his watch and tells Portland it’s time. He’s going wherever he wants most likely.

Ben Simmons isn't Damien Lillard. Any team would bend over backwards to get a guy like him on their team. The Lakers would have shit their pants if they had the chance to trade for Lillard, especially if it meant pairing him with LeBron. Ben Simmons is not a sought after player right now. His stock is incredibly low despite all the good things he does for a team. His terrible play cost his team a playoff series. That's on the back of every NBA teams mind right now. They see no reason to give up what Philly wants in return for a guy like him.


You dudes got to start using your brains and the common sense god blessed you with. Time and time again you guys post opinions based on how you feel the league should be ran as far as trades, contracts etc Doesn’t work like that. Get an understanding of how the Nba operates and form a reasonable opinion based on that. Not from your rectum. Some of you have been posting here a long time and still don’t get it. Yikes

Apparently neither do you. The last part of your post suggests that the 76ers can just go back to normal if they don't trade away Ben. Ben has made it perfectly clear he no longer wishes to play in Philly. There is no running with Ben. That bridge has been burned beyond repair. Why is that part so hard for you to understand? Do you not realize how this shit works?

[SaintzFury13]

GOBB, what kind of realistic trade scenarios for Ben Simmons do you think are out there? Outside of Portland I can't think of much but it wouldn't be for Dame, most likely McCollum

I can kind of see the logic behind trading him to Cleveland for a package involving Kevin Love, Collin Sexton (or Darius Garland) and a few picks. As long as Cleveland has at least one of those two players (Sexton or Garland), they'll instantly become one of the best defensive teams in the league with Simmons/Okoro/Mobley/Allen potentially in the starting unit. They still have other shit to figure out like the who is their main two guard (unless you want it to be Sexton...), but otherwise I can see this deal benefiting Cleveland. The problem is that the 76ers probably wouldn't take it for obvious reasons. But it's most likely the best package they can realistically get that would make sense for the other team.

[GOBB]

It is debatable because Simmons 9pts a game are not valuable. I can’t wait till they trade him for scrap. You will be humbled

He doesn’t avg 9ppg and it’s not debatable.

3x all star
3rd team all nba
2x first team all nba

Rozier has done what? Yeah debatable. Please shut up

[GOBB]

Horford was traded for another bad contract that was willing to be bought out. IDK what that has to do with any of this. Dumb **** teams would offer Simmons the max. I said that before the 6ers paid him, and I'm looking more correct every day. What happens to the 6ers offense when the ball is out of Simmons hands in the half-court is inexcusable. His impact on spacing probably costs them 5-10 points every game. The 6ers would be better off paying Terry Rozier if they had the opportunity.

Nobody is going to trade the 6ers what they are demanding for Simmons. You are not getting a 1st or 2nd team all NBA guy for him. Sorry.

Sixers traded Horford (2nd rd, future protected first 2025) for Danny Green. Green wasn’t a bad contract. And sixers ended up resigning him 2yr $20mil.

Terry Rozier in place of Ben Simmons does what for this team? Win ECF? Finals appearance?

You said no team wants Ben Simmons and his max deal. Now you’re saying no team with a first or second team all nba player is trading for Ben Simmons. You do realize you’re saying two completely separate things right? Also yes the odds of landing a marquee guard like James Harden (prior to trade with Bk), Brad Beal, Damien Lillard aren’t high. What would make those odds high is if those players wanted out and Philly was a destination. Which would mean that team would want a Ben Simmons in return. Only scenario I see a 1st or 2nd team player traded for.

A guy like d Fox as mentioned I’d welcome. Sixers would be dumb to trade him just because.

[GOBB]

Kevin Martin who was still a pretty damn good scorer at the time and a few other picks I believe. It wasn't necessarily a bad trade. James Harden was going to want to be a starter, his best use was coming off the bench and being the best sixth man in the league. OKC was in a bad situation either way. It isn't like trading Harden away hindered them in the seasons to come. Apart from 2016, their failures in the playoffs had more to do with untimely injuries.



These are seriously the best examples you have?

Anthony Davis and Paul George both had legitimate trade value at the time. You could get decent packages centered around them. New Orleans got an incredible trade package for Anthony Davis. And Indiana at the time received a lot of criticism for what they got in return, but that turned out to be a great trade for them.

You would have been better off mentioning someone like Kevin Love, who wanted out for quite a few years and was never able to get that request because Minnesota couldn't get anything that they wanted in return. It wasn't until Cleveland drafted Wiggins that Minnesota was finally able to get Kevin traded. And Kevin had much greater trade value at the time than Ben does now.



Ben Simmons isn't Damien Lillard. Any team would bend over backwards to get a guy like him on their team. The Lakers would have shit their pants if they had the chance to trade for Lillard, especially if it meant pairing him with LeBron. Ben Simmons is not a sought after player right now. His stock is incredibly low despite all the good things he does for a team. His terrible play cost his team a playoff series. That's on the back of every NBA teams mind right now. They see no reason to give up what Philly wants in return for a guy like him.



Apparently neither do you. The last part of your post suggests that the 76ers can just go back to normal if they don't trade away Ben. Ben has made it perfectly clear he no longer wishes to play in Philly. There is no running with Ben. That bridge has been burned beyond repair. Why is that part so hard for you to understand? Do you not realize how this shit works?

What’s are u babbling about? Kevin Martin? Da hell.

Skipping over all that irrelevant and pointless text. I’ll address this notion Ben made it clear he doesn’t want to play in Philly. Please back this up with legitimate sources if not from the horses mouth Ben himself.

[SaintzFury13]

What’s are u babbling about? Kevin Martin? Da hell.

Skipping over all that irrelevant and pointless text. I’ll address this notion Ben made it clear he doesn’t want to play in Philly. Please back this up with legitimate sources if not from the horses mouth Ben himself.

So in other words you have no retort. Thanks.

In regards to the second part of your weak reply, all reports are stating Ben Simmons doesn't want to play in Philly anymore. Until you can give us something that refutes this, you can't pull the "give me something from Ben himself" card. That's not how this works.

[ralph_i_el]

He doesn’t avg 9ppg and it’s not debatable.

3x all star
3rd team all nba
2x first team all nba

Rozier has done what? Yeah debatable. Please shut up

None of these awards impact play on the court, and none of these awards have anything to do with the playoffs. We watched the series. Resumes don't mean shit.

[ralph_i_el]

What’s are u babbling about? Kevin Martin? Da hell.

Skipping over all that irrelevant and pointless text. I’ll address this notion Ben made it clear he doesn’t want to play in Philly. Please back this up with legitimate sources if not from the horses mouth Ben himself.

Ben Simmons is closer to Kevin Martin in impact than he is to Anthony Davis or Paul George lol

[ralph_i_el]

Sixers traded Horford (2nd rd, future protected first 2025) for Danny Green. Green wasn’t a bad contract. And sixers ended up resigning him 2yr $20mil.

Terry Rozier in place of Ben Simmons does what for this team? Win ECF? Finals appearance?

You said no team wants Ben Simmons and his max deal. Now you’re saying no team with a first or second team all nba player is trading for Ben Simmons. You do realize you’re saying two completely separate things right? Also yes the odds of landing a marquee guard like James Harden (prior to trade with Bk), Brad Beal, Damien Lillard aren’t high. What would make those odds high is if those players wanted out and Philly was a destination. Which would mean that team would want a Ben Simmons in return. Only scenario I see a 1st or 2nd team player traded for.

A guy like d Fox as mentioned I’d welcome. Sixers would be dumb to trade him just because.

Terry Rozier in place of Ben Simmons allows you to run a smooth half-court offense and get Embiid good looks more consistently. Terry Rozier literally outplayed Simmons head to head in 2018 lol. So far I don't think teams have held Terry to 0-4 shooting and 1 point in a playoff game.

[RRR3]

Ben brings more to the sixers than Rozier does to the Hornets. That’s not even debatable. Majority of the league is getting paid more than what we as fans feel they are worth. Welcome to 2021 and the NBA. Where have you been?
Sixers would have been better off with Rozier against the Hawks.

[GOBB]

So in other words you have no retort. Thanks.

In regards to the second part of your weak reply, all reports are stating Ben Simmons doesn't want to play in Philly anymore. Until you can give us something that refutes this, you can't pull the "give me something from Ben himself" card. That's not how this works.

Because everything you said was baseless. You mentioned Kevin Martin and OKC? Why? A trade that happened 9 years ago. Again why? If you had any comprehension skills I mentioned Harden to make a point that guys of his caliber FORCE their way to teams. So stop acting like that’s an impossible and ridiculous scenario for someone like a Dame Lillard. If he wants out and has a list of teams he would play for? He ends up with one of them teams. Simple.

What does Harden being traded to Okc have to do with anything I said? Zero. He was traded for financial reasons at that. I’m mad I had to correct you like this. Figured you were smarter than this to see your error when I called you on it. Guess not. Yikes

So you have nothing legitimate to give me. Solid. You’re passing off speculation as facts. When I asked you to prove it you counter with “you prove it first”. Jesus you’re so elementary in this here debate. Here a fun fact? Neither one of us knows where Ben stands. But in your world you do. Make it make sense.

[GOBB]

Sixers would have been better off with Rozier against the Hawks.

We would have lost. And Trae would’ve went off even more offensively. Hornets won 23 and 33 respectively with Terry. Wake up.

[RRR3]

We would have lost. And Trae would’ve went off even more offensively. Hornets won 23 and 33 respectively with Terry. Wake up.
Yeah the Hornets didn’t have Embiid. Simmons is a playoff fraud.

[GOBB]

Terry Rozier in place of Ben Simmons allows you to run a smooth half-court offense and get Embiid good looks more consistently. Terry Rozier literally outplayed Simmons head to head in 2018 lol.

Terry also is not the defender Ben Simmons is. So sixers lose an elite perimeter defender. Terry is also not the facilitator Ben is. So you aren’t getting those 3’s looks guys get when Ben is on the floor. Yes Terry is better in half court because he can...score. Kudos. He’s not elite at it. So yea explain how Terry in place of Ben makes the Sixers better? Explain how we get past Hawks and bucks? Oh you can’t? Cool.

[GOBB]

None of these awards impact play on the court, and none of these awards have anything to do with the playoffs. We watched the series. Resumes don't mean shit.

Yeah resumes don’t mean shit. But here you are trying to convince yourself Terry Rozier is a better player. Yikes

[ralph_i_el]

Terry also is not the defender Ben Simmons is. So sixers lose an elite perimeter defender. Terry is also not the facilitator Ben is. So you aren’t getting those 3’s looks guys get when Ben is on the floor. Yes Terry is better in half court because he can...score. Kudos. He’s not elite at it. So yea explain how Terry in place of Ben makes the Sixers better? Explain how we get past Hawks and bucks? Oh you can’t? Cool.

You keep talking like we don't watch the game, but I'm starting to think you don't. If Ben doesn't have the ball, his defender is IGNORING HIM. That impacts EVERY SINGLE PLAY. At least with Terry you can actually run a team offense without someone bailing off him when he's off the ball and mucking up your sets.

If Terry couldn't shoot, he wouldn't be in the league (of course), but if he somehow never shot J's and you still force fed him touches, he'd probably have double digit assists. Simmon's assist numbers do not impress me, especially with his turnover rate. Ben has literally twice the turnover rate as Rozier.

Any ballhandler who touches the ball 80 times a game and never shoots SHOULD stack assists. Doesn't mean they're a great playmaker, especially when they don't take care of the ball. He shouldn't have made those all star teams and he definitely shouldn't have been All-NBA.

[GrayGoat]

Terry also is not the defender Ben Simmons is. So sixers lose an elite perimeter defender. Terry is also not the facilitator Ben is. So you aren’t getting those 3’s looks guys get when Ben is on the floor. Yes Terry is better in half court because he can...score. Kudos. He’s not elite at it. So yea explain how Terry in place of Ben makes the Sixers better? Explain how we get past Hawks and bucks? Oh you can’t? Cool.

Embiid would get the ball more which is better. Also spacing would be better (no clogged paint)

[SaintzFury13]

Because everything you said was baseless. You mentioned Kevin Martin and OKC? Why? A trade that happened 9 years ago. Again why?

You asked who OKC traded James Harden for, retard.


James Harden was traded for who again?


If you had any comprehension skills I mentioned Harden to make a point that guys of his caliber FORCE their way to teams.

Except James Harden didn't force his way out of OKC. You would have had a much better argument if you talked about his trade to the Nets, which dicked over the Rockets a lot more than what OKC got for Harden at the time (but they got Jalen Green in the end so they get a pass).


So stop acting like that’s an impossible and ridiculous scenario for someone like a Dame Lillard. If he wants out and has a list of teams he would play for? He ends up with one of them teams. Simple.

No one here is acting like it's impossible for Damien Lillard to get traded. We are talking about Ben Simmons. Those are two different caliber players.


What does Harden being traded to Okc have to do with anything I said? Zero. He was traded for financial reasons at that. I’m mad I had to correct you like this. Figured you were smarter than this to see your error when I called you on it. Guess not. Yikes

Again, you asked who he was traded for. I was answering your question, you idiot. You're focusing on a part of my post that had nothing to do with my main point.


So you have nothing legitimate to give me. Solid. You’re passing off speculation as facts. When I asked you to prove it you counter with “you prove it first”. Jesus you’re so elementary in this here debate. Here a fun fact? Neither one of us knows where Ben stands. But in your world you do. Make it make sense.

Like I said before, all signs are pointing to Ben wanting out. If he didn't, there wouldn't have been (confirmed) trade offers for him already. There wouldn't be (again, confirmed) talks with other teams for him. 76ers were fully intent on keeping Ben on the roster until the rumors of him wanting out started circulating. So once again, you need to prove it first. The narrative is already there and Ben wanting out is a well known story at this point. If Ben didn't want out, he would have stated it by now, just like many, MANY other superstar caliber players have done in the past in situations where they didn't want out.

So once again, you need to be the one to prove it. I don't have to, because the narrative is already there.

[RRR3]

Yeah resumes don’t mean shit. But here you are trying to convince yourself Terry Rozier is a better player. Yikes
He’s absolutely a better offensive player in a playoff setting are you serious?

[GrayGoat]

Rozier isn’t capable of a 0pt playoff game

[GOBB]

James harden was traded to the Nets. James Harden forced his way out of Houston. GOBB says let’s not act like guys of that caliber don’t FORCE their way out. While listing two other stars Davis/George who did. Here we are discussing a James harden trade 9 years ago. If it’s not reading and comprehension it’s pride not being able to admit “oops my bad, yea why didn’t I put 2 and 2 together thinking you spoke on the Houston-BK trade and how that went down.”. Let’s keep talking about okc trade like you are tho. Hence why I skipped that nonsense only to take the bait by a natural born d*ckhead and reply to you. I’ll take the L on that. But yeah reply again about the trade from 9 years ago bud. Tons of relevance there, said no one ever.

[GOBB]

Rozier isn’t capable of a 0pt playoff game

Correct he’s capable of shooting his team out of a game. Have you seen his post season stats? Guess not.

[GOBB]

He’s absolutely a better offensive player in a playoff setting are you serious?

9ppg 3apg 4rpg 39%fg 34% 3pt

His best playoff run?

Played 36mpg (48 in a game) shooting 41%fg 35% from 3 avg 16ppg. Baller!

[ralph_i_el]

9ppg 3apg 4rpg 39%fg 34% 3pt

His best playoff run?

Played 36mpg (48 in a game) shooting 41%fg 35% from 3 avg 16ppg. Baller!

....but he put up his best series against SUPER ELITE PERIMETER DEFENDER BEN SIMMONS! And Ben could put all his energy into D that series, because he sure wasn't playing offense lol.

[RRR3]

9ppg 3apg 4rpg 39%fg 34% 3pt

His best playoff run?

Played 36mpg (48 in a game) shooting 41%fg 35% from 3 avg 16ppg. Baller!
Why are you using his stats from before his prime? Almost like you have a desperate agenda here.

[GOBB]

Why are you using his stats from before his prime? Almost like you have a desperate agenda here.

Huh? You sound like the other dude in here. Straight weirdo. You’re sitting here arguing Rozier better in the playoffs than Ben. And would have done better in his place. I post his stats and you’re crying foul and asking why am I using them before his prime? When is his prime now? Because he isn’t in the playoffs. He doesn’t impact like that. Volume scorer. Kudos.

[ralph_i_el]

Huh? You sound like the other dude in here. Straight weirdo. You’re sitting here arguing Rozier better in the playoffs than Ben. And would have done better in his place. I post his stats and you’re crying foul and asking why am I using them before his prime? When is his prime now? Because he isn’t in the playoffs. He doesn’t impact like that. Volume scorer. Kudos.

It's not hard to be better than someone who is a net-negative on that end of the floor.

[RRR3]

Huh? You sound like the other dude in here. Straight weirdo. You’re sitting here arguing Rozier better in the playoffs than Ben. And would have done better in his place. I post his stats and you’re crying foul and asking why am I using them before his prime? When is his prime now? Because he isn’t in the playoffs. He doesn’t impact like that. Volume scorer. Kudos.
He took his game to another level once he got to Charlotte. He hasn’t been to the playoffs in Charlotte. You’re being disingenuous because you’re asshurt Ben is a hideous offensive player.

[ralph_i_el]

He took his game to another level once he got to Charlotte. He hasn’t been to the playoffs in Charlotte. You’re being disingenuous because you’re asshurt Ben is a hideous offensive player.

Right? Charlotte isn't any better last year if you switched Ben for Terry (they already have a loose-cannon big playmaker in Lamelo)....but the 6ers are probably better in the playoffs with a guard who can create his own shot and space the floor. Look at how good Maxey looked on a team starved for perimeter shot creation.

Embiid has been forced to grow his game a lot to deal with the wonky spacing, and I respect the hell out of that.

[RRR3]

Right? Charlotte isn't any better last year if you switched Ben for Terry (they already have a loose-cannon big playmaker in Lamelo)....but the 6ers are probably better in the playoffs with a guard who can create his own shot and space the floor. Look at how good Maxey looked on a team starved for perimeter shot creation.

Embiid has been forced to grow his game a lot to deal with the wonky spacing, and I respect the hell out of that.
Embiid literally just had one of the best seasons a center has ever had and he lost in the second round because Ben is terrified to take an open layup.

[GOBB]

He took his game to another level once he got to Charlotte. He hasn’t been to the playoffs in Charlotte. You’re being disingenuous because you’re asshurt Ben is a hideous offensive player.

Another level? He plays exactly like he did in sixers series when he saw significant minutes. What are you seeing with Hornets you didn’t see when he debuted with the Celtics in those playoffs? Nothing. Stop capping. You dudes just be talking. He’s a volume scorer. Kudos. He’s not elite at scoring.

[GrayGoat]

Another level? He plays exactly like he did in sixers series when he saw significant minutes. What are you seeing with Hornets you didn’t see when he debuted with the Celtics in those playoffs? Nothing. Stop capping. You dudes just be talking. He’s a volume scorer. Kudos. He’s not elite at scoring.

A volume scorer next to Embiid is worlds better than a ball dominant non floor spacing can’t shoot for crap player

[tontoz]

Another level? He plays exactly like he did in sixers series when he saw significant minutes. What are you seeing with Hornets you didn’t see when he debuted with the Celtics in those playoffs? Nothing. Stop capping. You dudes just be talking. He’s a volume scorer. Kudos. He’s not elite at scoring.

Actually Rozier is scoring at a higher rate and with better efficiency than he did in Boston.

This past season Rozier scored 21 pts per 36 minutes. His best rate in Boston was 16 per 36.
This past season Rozier had a TS of 57.5%. His best TS in Boston was 52%. His last year in Boston it was 50.6%.

Not elite but significantly better.

[hateraid]

Lol, at Rozier an improvement from Simmons. If the majority of you have summed up Simmon's playoff career from one quarter against the Hawks in which Tobias shit the bed then you know nothing on Simmons.

[Charlie Sheen]

I've never liked Ben, but swapping him for Rozier feels like an overreaction to the Hawks series.

Have to agree with GOBB. Hold onto Ben until the market changes in the 6ers favor. What's the risk in that? I can't see Ben's trade value going to drop much lower than the Spurs offer.

[ralph_i_el]

Lol, at Rozier an improvement from Simmons. If the majority of you have summed up Simmon's playoff career from one quarter against the Hawks in which Tobias shit the bed then you know nothing on Simmons.

Years ago, before he played a single playoff game, I said that with Simmons, he doesn't shoot, he doesn't finish with his off-hand, and he can't shoot freethrows...so a good defensive gameplan would be to play off him, play him towards his off hand, and foul him hard if he gets to his other hand. This has worked pretty consistently against the 6ers in the playoffs. Back in 2018 the Celtics held him to 1 point in a game by doing this. He's shook. When you can't shoot freethrows, it becomes harder and harder to finished because you know the foul is coming. Gameplans aren't as tight in the regular season, fouls aren't as hard, and fastbreaks are easier to come by. Let's be real, Simmons is a speed and strength freak. Players might not be as motivated to run and bang with him in the regular season....but the playoffs? That's where the big flaws in his game will be magnified.

Rozier might not be anything special, but at least you can't ignore him on the perimeter. Simmons hurts Embiid's game. Rozier wouldn't do that.

Rozier is just an extreme example btw, because GOBB brought up that he got $24m/y. Ben is getting $33m next season, all the way up to $40m/y in 2024/5.

[FireDavidKahn]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo= via
@phillyinquirer

[ralph_i_el]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo= via
@phillyinquirer

:oldlol:

Should have let someone else pay him. In some other timeline the 6ers were able to keep Jimmy and have a ring right now.

[SaintzFury13]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1432785688982925323

bUt I nEeD tO hEaR iT fRoM bEn HiMsElF.

[GOBB]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo= via
@phillyinquirer

This is a credible source. Unlike a random poster who posts nonsense and cites a trade from 9 years ago.

[GOBB]

:oldlol:

Should have let someone else pay him. In some other timeline the 6ers were able to keep Jimmy and have a ring right now.

Yeah don’t sign Ben and lose him for nothing. And jimmy Butler left because of Brett not Ben. You would run a sh*t franchise. Who is your team again? Wolves?

[SaintzFury13]

This is a credible source. Unlike a random poster who posts nonsense and cites a trade from 9 years ago.

*talks about posting nonsense, compares Damien Lillard to Ben Simmons*

[Charlie Sheen]

https://twitter.com/BrandonGowton/status/1432789146817474568


Brandon Lee Gowton
@BrandonGowton
Let the record show that Carson Wentz and Ben Simmons both quit on teams that went out of their way to cater to them.
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Can't really disagree with this.

[HylianNightmare]

Hope they get value back for him. Don't wanna waste embiids prime

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah don’t sign Ben and lose him for nothing. And jimmy Butler left because of Brett not Ben. You would run a sh*t franchise. Who is your team again? Wolves?

Wizards :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah don’t sign Ben and lose him for nothing. And jimmy Butler left because of Brett not Ben. You would run a sh*t franchise. Who is your team again? Wolves?

"Let someone else pay him" doesn't mean "let him walk for nothing when you have him coming off his rookie deal".

I'd be shitty at running a franchise because I was years ahead of everyone in more correctly evaluating Simmons' impact and would have sold high? And the folks running the franchise are smart for getting themselves this deep on a dud?

[tontoz]

Wizards :oldlol:

Yeah we know what managerial incompetence looks like. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

"Let someone else pay him" doesn't mean "let him walk for nothing when you have him coming off his rookie deal".

I'd be shitty at running a franchise because I was years ahead of everyone in more correctly evaluating Simmons' impact and would have sold high? And the folks running the franchise are smart for getting themselves this deep on a dud?

Are you serious? If teams know you’re not giving a player an extension. What kind of VALUE or lack thereof are u getting in return? It would qualify as nothing. And the Sixers aren’t a top team in the East and probably struggle to make playoffs minus Ben + whatever crap u take in return. Y’all letting this past postseason really cloud your judgement on how important Ben has been. I don’t need to know how flaws and what hasn’t worked. Already know. But what I do know is trading Ben when he was given his contract? Sixers would be a borderline playoffs/bottom lottery team. It would be ugly.

[GOBB]

*talks about posting nonsense, compares Damien Lillard to Ben Simmons*

When did I compare? I said if Damien Lillard forces his way out of Portland like James Harden did. And Philly is one of his destinations? A trade involving Ben would go down. Again what’s so difficult to comprehend there? James Harden all but quit on his team, had teammates blast him for it and was traded to a place he wanted to go. Not the best deal that team could get. So explain after reading this you bozo how this is COMPARING the two? Dame is better than Ben Simmons. Groundbreaking news there.

Like I told you before you just post nonsense. I guess you have a reasoning for it.

[GOBB]

https://twitter.com/BrandonGowton/status/1432789146817474568



Can't really disagree with this.

Yep. Coddled Ben here. Never held him accountable

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah we know what managerial incompetence looks like. :oldlol:

:cheers:

[ralph_i_el]

Are you serious? If teams know you’re not giving a player an extension. What kind of VALUE or lack thereof are u getting in return? It would qualify as nothing. And the Sixers aren’t a top team in the East and probably struggle to make playoffs minus Ben + whatever crap u take in return. Y’all letting this past postseason really cloud your judgement on how important Ben has been. I don’t need to know how flaws and what hasn’t worked. Already know. But what I do know is trading Ben when he was given his contract? Sixers would be a borderline playoffs/bottom lottery team. It would be ugly.

So Ben Simmons has huge trade value now....but in the summer of 2019 you couldn't get anything for him? Ok.

[GOBB]

So Ben Simmons has huge trade value now....but in the summer of 2019 you couldn't get anything for him? Ok.

His trade value is the same as it was back then if Sixers don’t give him the extension. What are you getting in a trade for Ben Simmons in summer 2019? First your whole premise is Ben is not worth the money don’t pay him. So sixers don’t In this hypothetical and another team will? I’m confused. And if they do and know Sixers won’t give Ben the max why would they offer more value then than now? When Ben could easily say I don’t want to sign an extension with your team. Make it make sense to me.

[DoctorP]

At this point I think Simmons becomes an intriguing midseason pickup for many teams. No need to rush into a deal.

[ralph_i_el]

His trade value is the same as it was back then if Sixers don’t give him the extension. What are you getting in a trade for Ben Simmons in summer 2019? First your whole premise is Ben is not worth the money don’t pay him. So sixers don’t In this hypothetical and another team will? I’m confused. And if they do and know Sixers won’t give Ben the max why would they offer more value then than now? When Ben could easily say I don’t want to sign an extension with your team. Make it make sense to me.

You would say that Simmons' perceived value was high in 2019 and many teams would pay him the max. He's restricted when he comes off his rookie deal, so the 6ers could match any of those teams. If you don't want to end up paying Simmons, you still control the right to pay him. His value isn't any lower than it was before that point, when teams knew he was getting the max from someone, or a year later into his extension. He could have been traded well before now, when many logical folks realized he wasn't a good fit with Embiid, but before he flamed out in the playoffs and disappeared for the summer.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Benjamin will look good in a Pacers uniform. Carlisle will make him shoot and prob have Dirk help.

[GOBB]

You would say that Simmons' perceived value was high in 2019 and many teams would pay him the max. He's restricted when he comes off his rookie deal, so the 6ers could match any of those teams. If you don't want to end up paying Simmons, you still control the right to pay him. His value isn't any lower than it was before that point, when teams knew he was getting the max from someone, or a year later into his extension. He could have been traded well before now, when many logical folks realized he wasn't a good fit with Embiid, but before he flamed out in the playoffs and disappeared for the summer.


You’re confusing me. But at any rate who are the sizers trading Ben Simmons for back then?

[bobopenguin]

76er, just let him go.
trade or waive.

[ralph_i_el]

You’re confusing me. But at any rate who are the sizers trading Ben Simmons for back then?

I'd have tried to get Shai Gilgeious Alexander. You could have gone after Brandon Ingram + pieces. You could have gotten CP3 when his value was low. Heck, you might have been able to swing CP3 AND SGA from the Thunder at some point for Ben. Just some possibilities off the top of my head, I'd have to do more research on who was available when.

[GOBB]

I'd have tried to get Shai Gilgeious Alexander. You could have gone after Brandon Ingram + pieces. You could have gotten CP3 when his value was low. Heck, you might have been able to swing CP3 AND SGA from the Thunder at some point for Ben. Just some possibilities off the top of my head, I'd have to do more research on who was available when.

Cp3 would’ve been cool but would’ve been a tough sell to fans and the process (embiid/Ben).

[ralph_i_el]

Cp3 would’ve been cool but would’ve been a tough sell to fans and the process (embiid/Ben).

Agreed.

[sixerfan82]

I wish I could be a 25yr old spoiled little brat with 150M+ in the bank. A real display of poor work ethic and childishness on display for the world to see. You have a contract, go do your fvcking job like the rest of america

[Vino24]

I wish I could be a 25yr old spoiled little brat with 150M+ in the bank. A real display of poor work ethic and childishness on display for the world to see. You have a contract, go do your fvcking job like the rest of america

He’s a kangaroo jockey he don’t give a fvck lol

[Jasper]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32078354/nba-5-5-ben-simmons-damian-lillard-biggest-remaining-questions-ahead-training-camp

Simmons yesterday said he wants out of a 6'ers uni.

[BurningHammer]

Raptors have trade assets but Masai won't easily back down to Morey's offers.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Simmons Smart Tatum Brown and Williams would be an awesome starting 5. Cs probably can't make it happen though and I don't like how Simmons has responded to his current adversity. It doesn't matter where he goes he is not going to maximize his potential without fixing his shooting problems.

[coastalmarker99]

Simmons Smart Tatum Brown and Williams would be an awesome starting 5. Cs probably can't make it happen though and I don't like how Simmons has responded to his current adversity. It doesn't matter where he goes he is not going to maximize his potential without fixing his shooting problems.



The Celtics would be a nasty team with Simmons.



They could in my eyes go toe to toe with any team in the NBA including the Nets and Lakers at that point.


As that starting five is an incredible defensive lineup

[Wally450]

Seriously, Ben will never develop a respectable jump shot. It just won't happen. Idk how this guy got the contract he did. Such a liability.

[DoctorP]

The Celtics would be a nasty team with Simmons.



They could in my eyes go toe to toe with any team in the NBA including the Nets and Lakers at that point.


As that starting five is an incredible defensive lineup

yeah, it could work with Tatum.

[GOBB]

It is debatable because Simmons 9pts a game are not valuable. I can’t wait till they trade him for scrap. You will be humbled

He doesnt avg 9ppg. I don’t know why your dumb ass keeps saying this

[GOBB]

Seriously, Ben will never develop a respectable jump shot. It just won't happen. Idk how this guy got the contract he did. Such a liability.

Then you’re retarded and don’t know how the nba works when it comes to giving contracts out.

[AirBonner]

Then you’re retarded and don’t know how the nba works when it comes to giving contracts out.

Yeah we do. 76ers overpaid and now it’s biting them in the ass

[GOBB]

Yeah we do. 76ers overpaid and now it’s biting them in the ass

Says the team that gave Kemba Walker how much again? Hahaha yikes, but I didn’t see you clowns crying over that contract when it was handed out. Gotcha.

[AirBonner]

Says the team that gave Kemba Walker how much again? Hahaha yikes, but I didn’t see you clowns crying over that contract when it was handed out. Gotcha.

We got out of the contract as well as one could. However your team might be content with a broken locker room if you can’t move Simmons

[NugzFan]

It may not be possible based on what? You think Sixers ultimately will have to trade Ben. I’m telling you they don’t.

Denial. They do have to trade him


I don’t see where the relationship with Ben and Sixers is sour.

Everyone sees it. Except you.

[NugzFan]

Not speaking for GOBB but for a realistic swap I'd take D'Aaron Fox and that long term value

That’s not realistic at all

[GOBB]

Denial. They do have to trade him



Everyone sees it. Except you.

That’s because you dudes just talk to talk. And when wrong hide and pretend what you said was never said.

[GOBB]

That’s not realistic at all

Realistic in terms of value. If you say otherwise you’re not as bright as I thought. Shame on me

[AirBonner]

Simmons value has dropped like a rock

[GOBB]

Simmons value has dropped like a rock

Sixers still better than Celtics. Has to sting