Here are stats on how bad the Warriors offence was when they didn’t involve Wilt.

[coastalmarker99]

Small sample size….. but so far

46 possessions without wilt.. 37 FGA, 13 FGM, 7 turnovers (1 OREB by Thurmond with score)

38 possessions with wilt, 35 FGA, 21 FGM, (1 OREB by wilt with score)

Very small sample size, so the more I get to add the more accurate it will be.

Plays like this where Guy Rodgers ignores Wilt down low with a 1 on 1 matchup really highlights the poor decision making and lack of offensive structure that Wilt had to deal with for most of his prime.

https://twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1381266332579110913

Here Wilt gets a great post position on Russell but it quickly goes to waste as Wayne Hightower launches a contested outside shot:

https://twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1381266377193844739

[coastalmarker99]

I don't find it shocking how the Warriors’ offensive rating relative to the league was 100% positively correlated with Wilt taking more shots during his six years there.



Wilt had no choice but to average 50 PPG or 45 PPG to keep his teams from losing.


As Every single shot, you took from him and gave to one of his teammates would have gone to a much lower percentage shooter.

By year, Wilt's % vs. his best shooting 10+ppg Warriors teammate's FG%

59-60 Wilt .46.1 vs. Gola .43.3

60-61 Wilt .50.9 vs. Gola .44.7

61-62 Wilt .50.6 vs. Attles .47.4

62-63 Wilt .52.8 vs. Attles .47.8

63-64 Wilt .52.4 vs. Meschery .45.8

64-65 Wilt .49.9 vs. Neumann .45.0

[coastalmarker99]

Game 4 1964 finals

With Wilt

17 possessions

15 FGA

8 FGM

3 turnovers

5 OREB



Without Wilt


32 possessions

29 FGA

6 FGM

3 turnovers

(2 OREB)

[coastalmarker99]

I would like to point out turnovers aren’t all Wilt's fault as most of them are his teammates trying to pass him the ball…. He was a very low turnover player…


Wilt was so good at playmaking… he was so patient that’s what impresses me the most about him he seemed to have a knack for making the right play

[JohnMax]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html

Wilt average 41.5 ppg on 50.6 FG% with Warriors

[coastalmarker99]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html

Wilt averaged 41.5 ppg on 50.6 FG% with Warriors


Indeed he did.

[Overdrive]

“Just watching our guys and how talented they are and how talented Houston is, there’s no way I could have played in the NBA today,”

[RRR3]

“Just watching our guys and how talented they are and how talented Houston is, there’s no way I could have played in the NBA today,”
Who said that

[Overdrive]

Who said that

Steve Kerr in a quote the OP used in a thread on the first page. He says nineties players wouldn't be as great rn, but Wilt would be.

[coastalmarker99]

Steve Kerr in a quote the OP used in a thread on the first page. He says nineties players wouldn't be as great rn, but Wilt would be.


I've participated in track and field for a long time as I love it.



I have never seen an athlete in my entire life with Wilt's combination of size, agility, and speed, never.


To see that old film of him 3-Step Straddling (high jump technique) 6'6", landing in sawdust, Triple Jumping way over 40' ft with minimal real technique, then his speed on the court and hearing that he could legitimately run 440 yds in 48 sec;



There's not one 7 footer in the league now that could do that!! not one!!


I know that Wilt also put the 16lb shot in college over 50 ft, again without real good technique!!

Wilt was probably as close to a real mutant as we may ever see in the NBA



But the main thing that set him apart though was his mind!!



Listen to him talk, look at his work ethic, watch how he conceptualized things, he simply saw stuff that other people couldn't



He ran cross-country in high school!! You can't get a basketball kid now to do anything like that; because they (and their parents) can't see the benefits; but he did!!


He was lifting weights before almost anybody else was!!

His post-basketball sport was volleyball, which he started playing when he was rehabbing his knee in 1970

[coastalmarker99]

Steve Kerr in a quote the OP used in a thread on the first page. He says nineties players wouldn't be as great rn, but Wilt would be.


What should make people think Wilt would be dominating today's NBA too is that he's a freak athlete in this era as well.

Height: 7'2

Weight: 290-320 pounds (depends on which year)


7'8 wingspan (he was only officiated measured in a suit however. Legend has it that it's likely 2 inches more)

9'7.5 standing reach.

Imagine somebody of that physical profile, that is also a track star, ridiculous vertical leap, gifted passer (lead the league in assists one year) and with a gifted touch around the rim on the offensive end.


Not only that but on defence, a center that is truly capable of guarding 1-5 with his size, length and speed combined.

The only current NBA player that could rival him in terms of athleticism is Giannis.

Yet physically, he even towers over him.


Giannis in comparison:

Height: 6'11

Weight: 242 pounds

Wingspan: 7'3

Standing reach: 9'2

I have yet to see any player at his position to come along with his combined strength, size and athleticism.

Let alone the skills Wilt had on offence and defence.

[000]

Yall whine about 3ball but this guy is way the hell worse. Just endless Wilt apologia and spamming.

[coastalmarker99]

Yall whine about 3ball but this guy is way the hell worse. Just endless Wilt apologia and spamming.


I provide data and interesting facts with my posts and if you don't like it then you can go **** yourself.



As you don't have to enter my thread's you know.

[coastalmarker99]

Alright So far in 4 games of Warriors Wilt footage that I have watched


I have




With Wilt 56 possessions, 50 FGA, 28 FGM, 6 turnovers.


I have 76 possessions without Wilt 66 FGA, 19 FGM, 10 turnovers.



It was a small sample size, so the more games I get of Wilt's Warriors days the more accurate it will be.

[Stephonit]

After Wilt left I guess that meant the Warriors entered into a deep funk of mediocrity that lasted years? Why is it then they made the finals two years later?

[coastalmarker99]

After Wilt left I guess that meant the Warriors entered into a deep funk of mediocrity that lasted years? Why is it then they made the finals two years later?

Pretty simple…. They had drafted Thurmond in 64, and Rick Barry the year after Wilt left… who by 1967 were both superstars in their primes.



But they weren’t that good in 1966 because the team still had flaws, that were fixed in 1967

[coastalmarker99]

We know just how badly the Warriors declined once after Wilt was traded mid-season in 1965



And this is was a season where he was struggling with various illnesses, going through the motions defensively, and relegating Thurmond to play out of position at forward.

As we can see below, the Warriors defence improved a lot after the trade (7.2) with Thurmond playing his natural position (plus he was better than Wilt defensively).




The Warriors offence however dropped by nearly 9 pts/100.



I suspect On/Off data from that era would paint a far better picture of him even despite his super high minutes.


1964-65 Warriors Total
119.7 poss/48 min
9651 poss/3870 min


Wilt In
4153 Pts Scored
4342 Pts Allowed
1801 Min
4491 Poss
92.5 ORtg
96.7 DRtg


Wilt Out
4312 Pts Scored
4618 Pts Allowed
2069 Min
5160 Poss
83.6 ORtg
89.5 DRtg

[coastalmarker99]

Alright So far in 5.5 games as ( I haven’t completely watched 1 game)


I have With Wilt 66 possessions, 60 FGA, 34 FGM, 6 turnovers



And I have without Wilt 86 possessions 75 FGA, 22 FGM, 11 turnovers.

[coastalmarker99]

So far in my data.


I have found without Wilt.



That the Warriors were shooting 29.3% from the floor as an entire team.

[coastalmarker99]

For most people to judge Wilt as a loser for repeatedly losing to the stacked Celtics in 6 or 7 games with this awful supporting cast around him is incredibly unfair.



I don't know a single player in NBA history that could win against a team featuring 8 to 9 HOF and a HOF coach if their teammates were that utterly terrible without them.




For a professional NBA team to shoot only 29.3 from the floor.


despite their star player giving them open looks due to him getting doubled and triple-teamed, all the time is a ****ing disgrace.


I bet you could get people nowadays from the local YMCA that could shoot better than that.


If they had Wilt Chamberlain drawing all of the opposing team's defensive attention.

[LAL]

Jack of all trades. Delusional frontrunner, dominating white guys until more and more strong black men started to enter the league. They turned him into an assist machine lmao. Those weird fadeaway bank shots was not all that in the 70's. Kareem>

[coastalmarker99]

Jack of all trades. Delusional frontrunner, dominating white guys until more and more strong black men started to enter the league. They turned him into an assist machine lmao. Those weird fadeaway bank shots was not all that in the 70's. Kareem>

Explain to me what physical (and basketball) skills Kareem had that Wilt didn't.

Explain what skills and traits Kareem had that were superior to Wilt's.


Explain why he was not more dominant than Wilt was when he was actually focusing on offence (1960-1966).

Had Wilt been born 10 years later, as Kareem was, and he plays his entire prime in a league decimated by expansion and also the ABA.



He'd be playing the rest of his career in a league of about 19 teams, on average (Kareem's years) instead of 11 (his years).

And here's what all that expansion added:

The NBA added 8 Expansion Teams 1970-1976.

1970: Clippers, Cavaliers, Trailblazers

1974: Jazz

1976: Nuggets, Pacers, Nets, Spurs


The overall team winning percentages of these franchises those years:

7 seasons:

Clippers: .40.4

Cavs: .40.2

Blazers: .38.2


3 seasons:

Jazz: .39.0


1 season:

Nuggets: .61.0

Pacers:.43.9

Nets: .26.8

Spurs: .53.8


That's a weighted average of a .43.9 winning percentage. Awful teams.




And yet

First 10 seasons for each player:

Kareem's teams in PO

9-7 in series

44-34 in games

1 title

2 total Finals


Wilt's teams in POs:

10-8

51-47

1 champ

3 Finals

[coastalmarker99]

Jack of all trades. Delusional frontrunner, dominating white guys until more and more strong black men started to enter the league. They turned him into an assist machine lmao. Those weird fadeaway bank shots was not all that in the 70's. Kareem>

In Kareem’s 5 seasons without one of the 2 best point guards ever, which also should be 5 of, if not his 5 best seasons (ages 27-31)

Kareem:



Missed the playoffs twice – Left a team that had the same exact record after he left with the same main pieces intact



Got swept once (With home-court advantage) – Won a grand total of 2 playoff series (one of which required 2 victories to win) –


Beat 0 teams with 50+ wins (While playing alongside 3 HOF players along the way in Goodrich, Wilkes, and Dantley.


Keep in mind Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, and LeBron are a combined 48-1 vs sub-50 win teams, so it is an accurate cutoff in deciding whether a team is elite or not).


Won 2 MVPs (one of which he won without making the playoffs in 1976)

[clipps]

Most teams are shit without their best player. What a ****ing retard.

[coastalmarker99]

Most teams are shit without their best player. What a ****ing retard.


You're the ****ing retard not me.



And also if you have nothing constructive to provide in this thread besides insulting me then please **** off.

[clipps]

You're the ****ing retard not me.



And also if you have nothing constructive to provide in this thread besides insulting me then please **** off.

Shut your dirty whore mouth.