Won't I live longer if my immune system is stronger from beating Covid w/out vaccine?

[3ba11]

rather than letting a vaccine temporarily protect me and therefore having a weaker immune system in the long run that can't fight anything off?

Isn't it better to have a strong immune system than a weak, spoiled one that can't fight anything off?

And obviously it's better for at-risk groups to get the vaccine, but I'm talking about healthy, non-old people.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah but the government can't control you if you let your immune system do the fending off for you.


What's happening today is not about fending off Covid. It's about giving up your civil liberties. The "Party" of Science gets further away from Science each and every day. It's mandates, and restrictions.

[DoctorP]

Yeah but the government can't control you if you let your immune system do the fending off for you.


What's happening today is not about fending off Covid. It's about giving up your civil liberties. The "Party" of Science gets further away from Science each and every day. It's mandates, and restrictions.

gosh you must hate yourself since you are vaxxed. :lol

[Nanners]

The best way to be healthy is to let a pharmaceutical company sell you a subscription to an immune system... you like netflix right?

[Patrick Chewing]

gosh you must hate yourself since you are vaxxed. :lol


You do understand there is a difference between government mandates and free will correct??


You can't possibly be that daft.

[ShawkFactory]

Ok so do you not know how vaccines work...?

[warriorfan]

No. You need a vaccine to alter your dna to produce spike proteins to combat a virus with a 99.9% survival rate where nearly half the cases are asymptotic.

Also have to update it every six months or so.

[bladefd]

No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).

As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.

[RRR3]

3braincells.

[tpols]

No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).

As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.

So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?

That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?

[bladefd]

So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?

That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?

Government has a right to run their jobs how they want. Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.

That is how it has always been and always will be.

[Nanners]

So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?

That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?

Its the textbook definition of fascism - private sector and the government colluding to deprive citizens of their basic rights in a totalitarian manner.

[tpols]

Its the textbook definition of fascism - private sector and the government colluding to deprive citizens of their basic rights in a totalitarian manner.

Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.

Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.

What possible justification can he make at this point?

Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.

And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?

:biggums:

Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.

[Charlie Sheen]

Government has a right to run their jobs how they want. Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.

That is how it has always been and always will be.

You don't know what you're talking about. Nowhere in this country can a business impose whatever hiring practice they want to. It's regulated and protected by state and federal agencies.

[Nanners]

Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.

Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.

What possible justification can he make at this point?

Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.

And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?

:biggums:

Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.

Everything about blade makes perfect sense when you view him as being legit mentally handicapped... like on a "simple jack" level. Dont be too hard on him, his brain just doesnt work. Its probably best to just ignore.

But yeah, when the govt coerces all businesses to mandate something, its effectively a govt mandate (its also fascism).

[Patrick Chewing]

No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).

As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.

So the government is mandating vaccines.

Thanks for playing. You're a real smart one.

[Patrick Chewing]

What are the odds blade has actually left his house and stepped foot outside in the last year and half?

[Axe]

May god let covid hit you someday so your antibodies against that 'flu' will become stronger. Expect it to be deadly though but once your status starts faltering, don't come back here to tell us that you deeply regret not taking the vaccine. Because if you do op, then it only shows that you're a much bigger idiot than the countless agenda threads you made in the main forum suggest.

[bladefd]

Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.

Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.

What possible justification can he make at this point?

Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.

And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?

:biggums:

Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.

Find a job in a company with rules you want. Or you can start your own company then you can make the rules in your business for yourself/your employees.

[bladefd]

You don't know what you're talking about. Nowhere in this country can a business impose whatever hiring practice they want to. It's regulated and protected by state and federal agencies.

Yes, but mask/vaccine mandates are not required nor prohibited by state/federal laws. There is simply no regulation one way or the other unless if you are a government employee.

[bladefd]

Everything about blade makes perfect sense when you view him as being legit mentally handicapped... like on a "simple jack" level. Dont be too hard on him, his brain just doesnt work. Its probably best to just ignore.

But yeah, when the govt coerces all businesses to mandate something, its effectively a govt mandate (its also fascism).

Don't want to read what I have to say? Block me or go kick rocks.

[Cleverness]

Government has a right to run their jobs how they want. Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.

That is how it has always been and always will be.

Were you asleep for all of 2020? The gov't literally arrested people trying to cut hair, serve food, and work out at a gym.

[Cleverness]

@ OP

Your best bet to live longer is to eat/drink healthy, sleep well, exercise... basic lifestyle modifications.

Stastically, Covid-19 and the vaccine have very little to do with how long you'll live. In fact, I don't believe there is a study out there that shows any of the vaccines increase life expectancy or reduce the chance of hospitalization.

[baudkarma]

rather than letting a vaccine temporarily protect me and therefore having a weaker immune system in the long run that can't fight anything off?

Isn't it better to have a strong immune system than a weak, spoiled one that can't fight anything off?

And obviously it's better for at-risk groups to get the vaccine, but I'm talking about healthy, non-old people.

I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.

[Axe]

I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.
This. +1

But.

Cleverness objecting in three. Two. One.

[oldtimer28]

@ OP

Your best bet to live longer is to eat/drink healthy, sleep well, exercise... basic lifestyle modifications.

Stastically, Covid-19 and the vaccine have very little to do with how long you'll live. In fact, I don't believe there is a study out there that shows any of the vaccines increase life expectancy or reduce the chance of hospitalization.

OP is right - studies are showing that natural immunity is better than va$ immunity...

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished?fbclid=IwAR31u3Btteo3XKvcwG0QrwRCTd-AaPJDqksef9dmgGhqCKUlxaz9ZCa3ifs

[Manny98]

Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine

The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population

[Manny98]

I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.

No you don't need a vaccine your immune system is literally designed to fight off illnesses like the flu and Covid

As long as you eat healthy Covid shouldn't harm you whatsoever

[n00bie]

Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine

The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population

Can you expand on this theory?

[ShawkFactory]

No. You need a vaccine to alter your dna to produce spike proteins to combat a virus with a 99.9% survival rate where nearly half the cases are asymptotic.

Also have to update it every six months or so.

Stop it.

[GrayGoat]

The reason covid is a problem is because 80% of Americans are fat fvcks

[Manny98]

Can you expand on this theory?

It's a fact we have lived millions of years without needing vaccines and other bullshit lab made medication being pumped into our bodies why all of a sudden we can't survive without one now for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.

[Axe]

Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine

The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population
Lol, you do realize your mommy is still alive around more than 3 months already since taking the vaccine. Right?

[Manny98]

Lol, you do realize your mommy is still alive around more than 3 months already since taking the vaccine. Right?
If everyone that took the vaccine just dropped dead, you would think it wouldn't be a little obvious that's something fishy is going on?

[Manny98]

New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/

[3ba11]

I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.


Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.

The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass

[bladefd]

Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.

The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass

Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine. The vaccine simply 100% ensures you get the full antibodies response (an infection will expose everyone to different amounts of the virus so number of antibodies would differ from person to person) and that you can't get the actual disease from the vaccine itself.

Why would you want to go through an illness when you can get the same antibodies through other means without having to get the illness? It's not like the antibodies from the disease will be stronger than the antibodies from the vaccine.

Also, if you think antibodies from the disease itself will last longer than the vaccine, that won't be the case afaik. You will lose the number of antibodies over time regardless of whether you got it from the virus itself or vaccine.

[oldtimer28]

Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.

The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass

True but studies I saw showed 90 days waning immunity (so check out UK study on delta variant as after 90 days va$ is basically equal to non va$ immunity.

[3ba11]

Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine.





I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.

[Axe]

If everyone that took the vaccine just dropped dead, you would think it wouldn't be a little obvious that's something fishy is going on?
But that's only a big 'if' as far as that's concerned. It's your choice if you're willing to get a shot or not but i doubt more people died from taking these vaccines than being afflicted by the actual flu/virus.

[ShawkFactory]

I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.

Are you talking about vaccines in general? Or just mRNA?

[Cleverness]

I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.

Yeah, but the tradeoff is that you will most likely have a cold for a few days to get those antibodies. It may be worth it to you, though, if you can get some paid time off work.

[3ba11]

Yeah, but the tradeoff is that you will most likely have a cold for a few days to get those antibodies. It may be worth it to you, though, if you can get some paid time off work.


Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:



CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

[bladefd]

I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.

Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?

[3ba11]

Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?


Did you miss the last sentence of the post you quoted?



"Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure."

[warriorfan]

Did you miss the last sentence of the post you quoted?



"Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure."

What? 0.02% death rate isn’t serious enough for you? You are playing with fire here. :lol

[Off the Court]

I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own,

That is what vaccines do. Vaccines trick your body into thinking it is infected so that your own immune system develops the antibodies on it's own.

[Cleverness]

Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:



CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Yes, but unvaccinated old man Joe Rogan, for example, was sick on Sunday. Getting the Trump vaccine would most likely have made him sick too, but there's a chance he would not have been sick on (or as sick) Sunday had he been vaccinated already.

[tpols]

Here's the conclusion of Israel's widely-renowned study of 76,000 participants, which confirms that natural immuniuty is superior at preventing covid than the vaccine:



CONCLUSION: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Bro the same way they lie about basketball they lie about everything else.

[tpols]

Why not let your body fight off cancer too by itself? No chemo, no radiation, no medication. Just let your body fight it. Same for any other disease/illness. Why get any vaccine whatsoever?

Blade... Our immune systems DO fight off cancer. Cancer is a misregulation in the cell replication process. Our cells have codes to TERMINATE the cell if its ****ed up. (self destruct) Our T Cells kill irregularities that reach a small colony. Our immune system does this naturally. Chemo and radiation is literally just slash and burn technique. You poison the whole body to kill the cancer, but you also kill a ton of healthy cells. And the cancer cells that survive become resistant to treatment and then its end game.

Fruits, vegetables, exercise, fresh air and good sleep to charge your immune system is more valuable than ANY drug on the planet.

Most cancers are caused by poor diet, habits, and pollution.

Wake. The. ****. Up.

[tpols]

That is what vaccines do. Vaccines trick your body into thinking it is infected so that your own immune system develops the antibodies on it's own.

If you already caught the disease you already have the antibodies. No trick required. You caught the real thing, beat it, and now have the immune memory to beat it even easier going forward.

[Patrick Chewing]

Blade... Our immune systems DO fight off cancer. Cancer is a misregulation in the cell replication process. Our cells have codes to TERMINATE the cell if its ****ed up. (self destruct) Our T Cells kill irregularities that reach a small colony. Our immune system does this naturally. Chemo and radiation is literally just slash and burn technique. You poison the whole body to kill the cancer, but you also kill a ton of healthy cells. And the cancer cells that survive become resistant to treatment and then its end game.

Fruits, vegetables, exercise, fresh air and good sleep to charge your immune system is more valuable than ANY drug on the planet.

Most cancers are caused by poor diet, habits, and pollution.

Wake. The. ****. Up.

Blade is anti-Science and pro-Big Government. He has his head so far up his Party's ass that no matter how wrong and unethical they may be, he's past the point of no return with them and must defend them at all costs.

[3ba11]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-la-hoya-hospitalized-breakthrough-212539377.html

[Axe]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-la-hoya-hospitalized-breakthrough-212539377.html
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[WiltO'Neal]

This page might be helpful in this discussion:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

[3ba11]

This page might be helpful in this discussion:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html


My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, while my body will recognize it as another virus and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed

[ShawkFactory]

My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, while my body will recognize it as another virus and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed

If your body naturally fights off Covid-19...it will recognize Covid-19 in the future. Not another virus...

Do you really not know how this works? Or are you just trolling here now too :lol

The efficacy of mRNA vaccines is still being figured out. But it seems like you're talking about vaccines in general..

[bladefd]

My immune system will be stronger in the long run (so I'll live longer) if my body learns to initiate the fighting process on it's own (natural immunity), then having a vaccine prompt the body to do what it was made to do.

It isn't complicated but the vaccine pushers have been brainwashed by big pharma

For future viruses, your body will be looking for that prompt to fight the virus, while my body will recognize it as another virus and initiate the fighting on it's own - no vaccine needed

Makes zero difference in reality

[3ba11]

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Natural immunity is stronger at fighting Covid than the vaccine, so people shouldn't be prevented from pursuing the better protection (natural immunity) - the unvaccinated aren't putting anyone in danger because anyone can get the vaccine to protect themselves.. so stop using the flu as a reason to act self-righteous - you're going against the science by preaching vaccine protection over natural immunity

[Loco 50]

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Natural immunity is stronger at fighting Covid than the vaccine, so people shouldn't be prevented from pursuing the better protection (natural immunity) - the unvaccinated aren't putting anyone in danger because anyone can get the vaccine to protect themselves.. so stop using the flu as a reason to act self-righteous - you're going against the science by preaching vaccine protection over natural immunity
The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.

[warriorfan]

The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.

Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Off the Court]

Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Have you seen the long term studies on that crack you smoked?

[Loco 50]

Science takes time. Dont worry about taking this rushed vaccine with no completed long term studies though.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The side effects of vaccination are well understood compared to the long term effects of the novel virus. There is a traditional vaccine available for those that still fear the mRNA vaccines.

You thought you had a nice repartee, but then you think a lot of foolish things. For well-documented reasons.

[3ba11]

The first case of chicken pox was discovered in 1658.
Chicken pox link to shingles was discovered over 200 years later.

We first thought the natural immunity derived from overcoming chicken pox as children was sufficient to avoid shingles in adulthood. We were wrong. Many people suffered.

The recommendation was changed from natural immunity to innoculate everyone with varicella vaccine to thwart adult shingles in the 80s. It only worked in half the population.

The sop was changed again to a dedicated shingles vaccine in 2006. Two doses of shingles vaccines gives 90% efficacy for 4 years. So imperfect, but an improvement. Should sound a little similar to covid procedures if you're paying any attention.

The chicken pox virus is pretty well understood by us. It took us over 300 years to understand and relatively effectively combat one of it's worst long term effects.

We've been working with Covid now for 2 to 3 years. It's long term effects are still yet to be fully unraveled.

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.


Rand Paul:

"even the CDC doesn't recommend measles vaccine for people who had measles already.. the same was true for small pox"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ


natural immunity has proven to be superior - it's hard to finnagle your way around that fact

[Loco 50]

Rand Paul:

"even the CDC doesn't recommend measles vaccine for people who had measles already.. the same was true for small pox"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ


natural immunity has proven to be superior - it's hard to finnagle your way around that fact

Rand Paul is no longer a licensed physician. He's solely a politician. If you desire medical advice from your politicians, so be it.

[3ba11]

Rand Paul is no longer a licensed physician. He's solely a politician. If you desire medical advice from your politicians, so be it.


He's reading studies from doctors and the CDC

Have you been hypnotized or something? You can't respond or concede so you say something irrelevant like Paul isn't a doctor anymore?

Vax shamers aren't following the scientific studies and are simply using this situation to act self-righteous and shame people - so they're low character people.. period. those are the facts.. natural immunity is simply better.. heck, the risk of dying for people under 65 is the same as driving a car

[Loco 50]

He's reading studies from doctors and the CDC

Have you been hypnotized or something? You can't respond or concede so you say something irrelevant like Paul isn't a doctor anymore?

Vax shamers aren't following the scientific studies and are using this to act self-righteous - so they're low character people.. period. those are the facts.. natural immunity is simply better

Cool

[3ba11]

Cool


Cool, as long as you understand that I wasn't listening to Rand Paul - I posted a clip of him reciting scientific studies by doctors and statements from the CDC

but why am i trying to enlighten you out of your sheep-like misery.. carry on

[bladefd]

Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine. The vaccine simply 100% ensures you get the full antibodies response (an infection will expose everyone to different amounts of the virus so number of antibodies would differ from person to person) and that you can't get the actual disease from the vaccine itself.

Why would you want to go through an illness when you can get the same antibodies through other means without having to get the illness? It's not like the antibodies from the disease will be stronger than the antibodies from the vaccine.

Also, if you think antibodies from the disease itself will last longer than the vaccine, that won't be the case afaik. You will lose the number of antibodies over time regardless of whether you got it from the virus itself or vaccine.

^^ I have nothing new to add since 5 weeks ago.

[FultzNationRISE]

Discovery takes time. "Science" takes time. You know less than we do and we know little. A little humility would be wise.

There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.

[oldtimer28]

There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.


Good post. Wise words.

Unsure how politics became like religion - mine is better than yours, I am a better person than you because I believe in X or Y.

Especially when people haven't thought themselves, just repeating what they are told by biased sources.

[3ba11]

^^ I have nothing new to add since 5 weeks ago.


natural immunity prevents covid more - that's what the studies say - 7x more effective according to some studies and more according to others

[bladefd]

natural immunity prevents covid more - that's what the studies say - 7x more effective according to some studies and more according to others

Link?

[Loco 50]

There was a time when blood-letting via leeches was cutting edge medical science for the treatment of blood disorders. Skeptics would have been deemed laymen simpletons. Fools to question the learned, in-demand doctors who served as personal physicians to the crowned emporer himself.

Nobody gets things right all the time, but intuition varies from person to person. There were surely smart, "unlicensed" people who thought leeching was absurd. And they were undoubtedly shouted down by professionals and quotidian bootlickers who sought esteem from sucking up to people in charge.

You and bladefd are the kind of guys who lack intuition, and rely on simple parroting of those whose image and status you aspire to hold. You are not a doctor. But it's obvious you badly want people to have that impression. You didn't even know that a vaccine is a medical drug. You're not smart and you're not interesting, and you're desperately using politics to create that sort of illusion for yourself. I wish you wouldnt do that. It's fine to exaggerate how good you are at basketball, or how many chicks you get, or how much money you make, or whatever you wanna lie about. But not politics, man. Stop using politics to make yourself appear to be things you arent. Stop sucking the dick of powerful establishment groups and lobbyists because you think parroting their message makes you look enlightened. This is the one area where being a giant poser causes real social strife, because you're tipping the balance of power into the hands of a few by being such a submissive pawn.

Stop using politics as a vehicle for personal grandeur. Stop using it to make people think you're intelligent, intuitive, insightful, sagacious, morally elevated, or whatever thing that you wish people would recognize you as. Because it creates a lot more problems than it solves. And it doesn't work anyway. Nobody thinks youre those things.

:oldlol:

Leeches are still used in medicine.

Oldtimer is your alt.

You're a high school grad with malignant narcissism so severe you think you've outwitted some of the smartest docs in the world. This is known as delusional thinking.

3 facts. 3 more facts than your entire rant.

Have a blessed day.

[Loco 50]

Good post. Wise words.

Unsure how politics became like religion - mine is better than yours, I am a better person than you because I believe in X or Y.

Especially when people haven't thought themselves, just repeating what they are told by biased sources.

What makes you trot out this account instead of the Filipino boy one, I wonder...

Therapy can help you with your problems. You are beyond my expertise and it's difficult for me to resist bullying you so this should be the end of our conversation.

[warriorfan]

:roll:

meltdown

[000]

Vaccines are satanic. If youve ever received a vaccine, youre a tool of the devil

[Axe]

Vaccines are satanic. If youve ever received a vaccine, youre a tool of the devil
Foolish

[000]

Foolish
Repent

[outofstomach]

Have you seen the long term studies on that crack you smoked?

:lol