93' Suns and 95/96 Sonics had 3 all-stars... Bulls only had 2

[3ba11]

Maybe the higher-caliber of opponent is why Pippen completely wet the bed with worst-ever efficiency in those Finals (45.9 and 42.9 true shooting, respectively).

96' Sonics had the #2 defense and far more scoring options than the Bulls, who had arguably the least offensive help in the history of the NBA.. For example, they were playing 4 on 5 with Rodman, while Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (worst-ever true shooting on those runs)..

[Pip' N Rodman]

2016 Warriors had 3 all-stars... 2016 Cavs only had 1 all-star :pimp:

aka largest talent gap in NBA History.. required the GOAT Finals to overcome the talent deficit (LeBron leading in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks etc.)

[3ba11]

2016 Warriors had 3 all-stars... 2016 Cavs only had 1 all-star :pimp:

aka largest talent gap in NBA History.. required the GOAT Finals to overcome the talent deficit (LeBron leading in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks etc.)


Kyrie was a perennial all-star and only missed that year due to injury

otoh, pippen played every game in 91' and missed the all-star team because he tricked off the 90' title with goat choke in the ECF and everyone only knew him as a scrawny, inexperienced choker up to that point.

[Vino24]

2015 Hawks had 4 Allstars slick

[Pip' N Rodman]

Kyrie was a perennial all-star and only missed that year due to injury

otoh, pippen played every game in 91' and missed the all-star team because he tricked off the 90' title with goat choke in the ECF and everyone only knew him as a scrawny, inexperienced choker up to that point.

2016 Cavs had the largest talent deficit in NBA History (1 all-star vs 3 all-stars ... 1 all-nba player vs 3 all-nba players.... 57 win team vs 73 win team) :pimp:

[Pip' N Rodman]

2015 Hawks had 4 Allstars slick

Oh yea, and LeBron beat the 4 all-star Hawks with no all-star teammates (Kyrie was injured) 4 all-stars vs 1

[3ba11]

Oh yea, and LeBron beat the 4 all-star Hawks with no all-star teammates (Kyrie was injured) 4 all-stars vs 1


Kyrie played half the series, while JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 70% TS.. That's arguably better than Pippen ever played and certainly matches many of his series.

Lebron's Finals wins are only against opponents with equal or less perennial all-stars or HOF's

[8Ball]

2015 Hawks had 4 Allstars.

[1987_Lakers]

lol, what a backfire thread.

[Axe]

A sweep happened in the 2015 ecf

[hateraid]

2016 Warriors had 3 all-stars... 2016 Cavs only had 1 all-star :pimp:

aka largest talent gap in NBA History.. required the GOAT Finals to overcome the talent deficit (LeBron leading in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks etc.)

They had to import the second best player in the game just to beat him. Talk about impact

[3ba11]

They had to import the second best player in the game just to beat him. Talk about impact


The Cavs were favored heading into the 2015 and 2016 seasons because Kyrie/Love were perennial all-stars while Klay/Dray were 1st-timers... So KD joined the Warriors because Lebron's super-teams were unfair from 2011-2016 - Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 but only went 3/6 including 2 teammate bailouts (could've been 1/6, yikes)

[Phoenix]

Kyrie played half the series, while JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 70% TS.. That's arguably better than Pippen ever played and certainly matches many of his series.

Lebron's Finals wins are only against opponents with equal or less perennial all-stars or HOF's

That says more about the current league that this era's version of John Starks can do that. And considering you're on the side of arguing that the current era inflates stats and efficiency, then this should apply to JR's statline above I would think, or is the 'inflated' stats bullet point only a circumstantial argument for you?

[3ba11]

That says more about the current league that this era's version of John Starks can do that. And considering you're on the side of arguing that the current era inflates stats and efficiency, then this should apply to JR's statline above I would think, or is the 'inflated' stats bullet point only a circumstantial argument for you?


Stats weren't inflated much in 2015... It's common knowledge that 2017 started the inflation - that's when Harden, Westbrook, and everyone saw the statistical bump, including the extension of old Lebron's career... that's also the year when everyone caught up to the Warriors' general strategy of 3-pointers (not necessarily their ball movement).. aka that's when the Warriors' margin of 3-point attempts disappeared

[Manny98]

LeBron stans acting like that Hawks team were some superteam

when one of the 4 stars was injured that series and Jeff Teague is literally the worst player to ever make a all star team

And Al Horford and Paul Millsap? C'mon now that Hawks team weren't like that :facepalm

[Phoenix]

Stats weren't inflated much in 2015... It's common knowledge that 2017 started the inflation - that's when Harden, Westbrook, and everyone saw the statistical bump, including the extension of old Lebron's career... that's also the year when everyone caught up to the Warriors' general strategy of 3-pointers (not necessarily their ball movement).. aka that's when the Warriors' margin of 3-point attempts disappeared

So you're saying that Lebron's pre 2015 stats are legit then? Just curious..

[RogueBorg]

2016 Warriors had 3 all-stars... 2016 Cavs only had 1 all-star :pimp:

aka largest talent gap in NBA History.. required the GOAT Finals to overcome the talent deficit (LeBron leading in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks etc.)

Imagine having a non-All-Star averaging 27 ppg and hitting the the game winning, series clinching final shot while Lebron hid in the crowd.

[3ba11]

So you're saying that Lebron's pre 2015 stats are legit then? Just curious..


Yes, Lebron was praised in the 2015 Playoffs for playing like Iverson on offense and Kukoc on defense

Infact, he was praised for playing like Westbrook in those playoffs (turnovers, efficiency), yet Westbrook is considered a loser for playing that way, while LeFraud is praised by the fraudulent media

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors..

Otoh, the 93' Suns, 96' Sonics and 91' Lakers had more all-stars than the Bulls, so MJ overcame actual talent deficits to win titles

[AirBonner]

Thread cliffs: makes thread about 90’s nba teams but only talks about LeBron

[SaintzFury13]

Kyrie played half the series

In game 1, he had 10 points. In game 2 he played a grand total of 22 minutes and had 16 points. Hardly an all star level performance.

[Smoke117]

Jordan did everything and the rest of the bulls were complete garbage. Are you happy now? You have obsessively tried to make this point for years and for what? I don't get it nor does anyone else. It's not like you're a teenager or anything either...you're like 50 years old. Cuckoo cuckoo...

[3ba11]

In game 1, he had 10 points. In game 2 he played a grand total of 22 minutes and had 16 points. Hardly an all star level performance.


Kyrie played half the series and JR averaged 18/8 on 70% true shooting (pippen stats) - so that's more help than MJ had

And JR's performance means that Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka he never had a carry-job against a good team.

Ultimately, Lebron had a ton of help to beat a shit team like those Hawks where their best player was Millsap or Korver or some stiff like that

[AirBonner]

No Pip? No chip.

[3ba11]

No Pip? No chip.


Pip sucked so that's a boon to MJ - he won 6 chips with a guy that was worse than Pandemic P - Pippen's entire career was worse than 21 on 45% (PG13's stats against Denver)

[RRR3]

LeBron can’t even get credit for making JR Smith play great in 3balls addled mind.

[3ba11]

LeBron can’t even get credit for making JR Smith play great in 3balls addled mind.


I've always said that elite shooters are the only player-type that Lebron doesn't destroy

keep up

Again, Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors..

Otoh, the 93' Suns, 96' Sonics and 91' Lakers had more all-stars than the Bulls, so MJ overcame actual talent deficits to win titles