Why do we forget about Jordan choking a 3-0 lead in the 1996 Finals?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Game 4: 6/19 shooting 3 rebounds, 2 assists 4 Turnovers

Game 5: 4 rebounds 1 assist

Game 6: 5/19 shooting 5 turnovers


Dude basically lost a 3-0 lead in the Finals if not for Alpha Rodman grabbing 19 rebounds in Game 6 :eek::bowdown:

[Bronbron23]

Game 4: 6/19 shooting 3 rebounds, 2 assists 4 Turnovers

Game 5: 4 rebounds 1 assist

Game 6: 5/19 shooting 5 turnovers


Dude basically lost a 3-0 lead in the Finals if not for Alpha Rodman grabbing 19 rebounds in Game 6 :eek::bowdown:

For the same reason why we forget about you not losing your virginity. Nobody cares

[Hey Yo]

Outside of 1996....has there ever been another player who avg. single digit ppg in the Finals, but still got multiple FMVP votes???

[SouBeachTalents]

Outside of 1996....has there ever been another player who avg. single digit ppg in the Finals, but still got multiple FMVP votes???
Wes Unseld averaged 9 ppg and won FMVP

[Manny98]

Why do we forget 2011?

[Airupthere]

Why do we forget 2011?

Bronsexuals like to refer to 2011 as an "off game". Lol

[Mr. Woke]

Jordan always had the luxury of never facing truly elite teams in the Finals.

That's why Bran is the GOAT.

[Phoenix]

Wes Unseld averaged 9 ppg and won FMVP

:oldlol:

[RogueBorg]

Game 4: 6/19 shooting 3 rebounds, 2 assists 4 Turnovers

Game 5: 4 rebounds 1 assist

Game 6: 5/19 shooting 5 turnovers


Dude basically lost a 3-0 lead in the Finals if not for Alpha Rodman grabbing 19 rebounds in Game 6 :eek::bowdown:

Seattle had to win the series for it be a choke Einstein. God there are some dumb@$$ posters here.

[Bronbron23]

Seattle had to win the series for it be a choke Einstein. God there are some dumb@$$ posters here.

Hahaha this is what was thinking also. How do you choke a lead if you lead the whole series? These bron stains are on one lately

[HoopsNY]

Wes Unseld averaged 9 ppg and won FMVP

lmao

[3ba11]

Jordan always had the luxury of never facing truly elite teams in the Finals.

That's why Bran is the GOAT.


Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors.. Otoh, the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had more all-stars than the Bulls.

Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scoring options than the Bulls, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly equal defensive rank and FAR more scorers..

Only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term organic brand that demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers and Duncan/Popovich.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP was eating a gluestick while making this post.

[Axe]

Pooor slick

[Ne 1]

Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors.. Otoh, the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had more all-stars than the Bulls.

Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scoring options than the Bulls, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly equal defensive rank and FAR more scorers..

Only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term organic brand that demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers and Duncan/Popovich.

Not only KD’s Warriors, also against the ‘07 Spurs, ‘15 Warriors and you can throw in the ‘14 Spurs as well because Wade’s knee was toast and Bosh’s health was be declining because of the blood clot condition as evidence of their lack of effectiveness against the Spurs.. Bosh in particular had multiple games with single digit points and boards. And none of Jordan’s Finals opponents had a second option who was as good as a two-way player as Pippen.

[SATAN]

I've never seen an MJ stan acknowledge that MJ had/could have a bad game. Not that I think he choked in 96 but some MJ stans act like he completely dominated in that series. Talk about rose tinted glasses. :lol

[Full Court]

Lol. These idiots like OP are trying way too hard. Uses a finals series that Jordan not only won, but took finals MVP to try to disparage him. Try again, homie.

[dankok8]

Choked? I didn't realize Jordan's Bulls lost this series...

[Phoenix]

I've never seen an MJ stan acknowledge that MJ had/could have a bad game. Not that I think he choked in 96 but some MJ stans act like he completely dominated in that series. Talk about rose tinted glasses. :lol

Sure he did, Hell I recall the Heat game in 97 when he was like 8 for 35 or some shit. 'Fans' can acknowledge that no player, even their favorites, is without flaw. 'Stans', and this board is full of them, are a different kettle of fish.

[Bronbron23]

I've never seen an MJ stan acknowledge that MJ had/could have a bad game. Not that I think he choked in 96 but some MJ stans act like he completely dominated in that series. Talk about rose tinted glasses. :lol

Mj has clearly had bad games. Every great does. As far as completely dominating that series he definitely didn't but how often do players completely dominate any finals? He was still very good though. Sure his efficiency was lower than usual but it was against a good defensive player and team in the slowed down half court physical 90's. Plus mj impacts the game in more ways than his efficiency. He was still elite defensively and him just being on the floor draws so much attention that just his presence has a huge impact. Not every great draws that much defensive attention. For intance Defenses don't fear brons scoring ability like they did kobe, mj or even steph now. Defenses don't load up on bron like they do those guys that's why brons teammates don't get open as much and don't get as good looks in general. It's why brons offenses are rarely the best even though he's always had stacked teams.

[TheMan]

Wheels been off the rails lately :(

[Shogon]

If George Karl wasn't a dumbass and stubborn, the Sonics very well may win that series and MJ's entire legacy changes. Gary Payton, when guarding MJ, gave him fits.

It's just funny how all it takes is one bad decision, one good decision, one lucky bounce, one lucky happenstance, one unlucky happenstance... to completely alter the course of history. And this type of thing is a regular occurrence, lol. Crazy.

[3ba11]

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It's because MJ wasn't a stat-padder - this is how MJ felt during garbage time:


MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif



This reveals that after getting a 3-0 lead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" before the garbage time that ensued the rest of the series.. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline that benefited Payton in those garbage time, stat-padding games.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out... I remember when 93' Starks was playing even better defense than Payton but Jordan figured him out by Game 4 - MJ never got this opportunity against Payton because he'd already wrapped up the series with a 3-0 lead.. Payton defending MJ was viewed as a RISK, and only an 0-3 deficit inspired the gamble.. Don't forget that.. :no:

[Full Court]

choke [chohk]: verb (used with object), choked, chok·ing.

1. to stop the breath of by squeezing or obstructing the windpipe; strangle; stifle.

2. Lebron in 2011.

[SouBeachTalents]

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It's because MJ wasn't a stat-padder - this is how MJ felt during garbage time:


MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif



This reveals that after getting a 3-0 lead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" before the garbage time that ensued the rest of the series.. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline that benefited Payton in those garbage time, stat-padding games.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out... I remember when 93' Starks was playing even better defense than Payton but Jordan figured him out by Game 4 - MJ never got this opportunity against Payton because he'd already wrapped up the series with a 3-0 lead.. Payton defending MJ was viewed as a RISK, and only an 0-3 deficit inspired the gamble.. Don't forget that.. :no:
Game 6 of the Finals is typically seen as garbage time, hence why Jordan had a don't give a fck 5/19, 5 turnover performance

And if being down big in a series benefits players, why was Jordan putting up 19 points on 18 shots down 2-0 in '86? Or shooting 9/30 in the same situation in '87?

[Axe]

Wheels been off the rails lately :(
Kinda sad he's gone missing for quite some time now.

[Mr. Woke]

Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors.. Otoh, the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had more all-stars than the Bulls.

Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scoring options than the Bulls, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly equal defensive rank and FAR more scorers..

Only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term organic brand that demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers and Duncan/Popovich.

The Bulls never faced a better team in the finals during the 90s. LeBron has definitely faced tougher competition in the Finals than Jordon.

[Bawkish]

If George Karl wasn't a dumbass and stubborn, the Sonics very well may win that series and MJ's entire legacy changes. Gary Payton, when guarding MJ, gave him fits.

It's just funny how all it takes is one bad decision, one good decision, one lucky bounce, one lucky happenstance, one unlucky happenstance... to completely alter the course of history. And this type of thing is a regular occurrence, lol. Crazy.

Saying GP "solely" gave MJ fits is like saying Kawhi is the "one" responsible shutting down Giannis in 2019 ECF

[Phoenix]

If George Karl wasn't a dumbass and stubborn, the Sonics very well may win that series and MJ's entire legacy changes. Gary Payton, when guarding MJ, gave him fits.

It's just funny how all it takes is one bad decision, one good decision, one lucky bounce, one lucky happenstance, one unlucky happenstance... to completely alter the course of history. And this type of thing is a regular occurrence, lol. Crazy.

Payton having to guard MJ from game 1 for 40 minutes is going to take away from his offense. There's always strategic trade-offs. MJ also got off jumpers in that series that Payton didn't heavily contest and he just missed.

[Bronbron23]

The Bulls never faced a better team in the finals during the 90s. LeBron has definitely faced tougher competition in the Finals than Jordon.

Maybe not in the finals but an argument could be made that the magic were a better team. They were certainly deeper and more talented offensively.

And when did bron ever beat a better team? He always won with colluded super teams. He always had the better team in miami. Okc was too young and spurs too old. The only chip that could be argued that he had the worse team was in 16 against the warriors but even that's debatable. They had the better record because they played smarter but i wouldn't say they had the better team. They were lead by a small gaurd that can't defend and who often struggles in the finals. That warriors team had the better bench but cle had the better starting 5. Mainly because bron was so much better than anyone else on warriors starting 5 and after that it was pretty much a wash.

Plus on the flip side of this mj never lost to a worse team and bron has a couple times. He shouldn't have lost to magic in 09 and mavs in 11.

[RogueBorg]

The Bulls never faced a better team in the finals during the 90s. LeBron has definitely faced tougher competition in the Finals than Jordon.

What's the excuse for Lebron losing to Dallas?

[3ba11]

The Bulls never faced a better team in the finals during the 90s. LeBron has definitely faced tougher competition in the Finals than Jordon.


Lebron's teams had 3 perennial all-stars (super-team), so he only faced a talent deficit against the KD Warriors.. Otoh, the 91' Lakers, 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had more all-stars than the Bulls, so Jordan overcame actual talent deficits.

Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scoring options than the Bulls, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly equal defensive rank and FAR more scorers..

Only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term organic brand that demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers and Duncan/Popovich.