Curry's impact for the Warriors is insane.

[coastalmarker99]

The Warriors are 59-120 without Curry in his career (.33.0 winning percentage). Overall, 500-262 (.65.6) with him in the lineup.

The Bulls from 1985-1998 without Jordan were 111-107 (.50.9). Overall, 639-291 (.68.7) overall with him in the lineup.

The Spurs record from 1997-2016 without Duncan was 71-47 (.60.2). Overall, 1000-391 (.71.9) overall with him in the lineup.

And that's just to name a few.

[warriorfan]

Has smashed all of Michael Jordan’s records for +/- too

The Dingo.

[coastalmarker99]

Has smashed all of Michael Jordan’s records for +/- too

The Dingo.

It was the same thing this year. GS had a .22 win percentage in 9 games without Steph and a .59 win percentage in 63 games with him as he led the league in scoring and RPM.

Extrapolate those figures over a full season and you have the worst record in the NBA and the eighth-best record, respectively.

Even though the Warriors missed the playoffs last season it still shows how insanely valuable Curry is.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP who you got Curry or Durant? Not talking all time, just as players

[warriorfan]

It was the same thing this year. GS had a .22 win percentage in 9 games without Steph and a .59 win percentage in 63 games with him as he led the league in scoring and RPM.

Extrapolate those figures over a full season and you have the worst record in the NBA and the eighth-best record, respectively.

Even though the Warriors missed the playoffs last season it still shows how insanely valuable Curry is.

There was a narrative floating around how Curry wasn’t a “floor raiser”, more of a “ceiling breaker” and needed a good team in order to play well. That went all out of the window last season. There were some great stats floating around showing the difference of the team’s performance when he was on the court vs off.

[coastalmarker99]

OP who you got Curry or Durant? Not talking all time, just as players

I got Curry for me personally.



He is the best shooter of all time and is more of a floor raiser and ceiling breaker than Durant is.


Warriors Record Without Kevin Durant vs. Without Stephen Curry


Courtesy of FS1’s Nick Wright



The Warriors are 35-8 when Curry plays and Durant doesn’t.



But on the other hand, the team has posted a 28-18 mark with Curry out of the lineup and Durant in – two records which equate to very different adjusted win totals.



The fact that the Warriors from 2017 to 2019 could lose a guy that's one of the best players in the NBA and still easily be the best team in the league is ridiculous and speaks to Curry's impact.

[Mr. Woke]

The Warriors didn't truly become a force until KD showed up and made Curry his Robin.

[coastalmarker99]

OP who you got Curry or Durant? Not talking all time, just as players

KD benefited massively from the Warriors spacing and the fact that he did not draw the most defensive attention on the team, Steph Curry did.

The numbers:

KD on OKC: 28.8/8/3.7 on 57.5%TS. ~46/33/85 splits. 0.177 WS/48, 4.8 BPM.

KD on GS: 29.6/7.1/4.5 on 64.2% TS. ~51/40/90 splits. 0.242 WS/48, 6.6 BPM.



Huge increases in every category, his 3 point % by 7%, and by even more if you only include playoff games he played with Steph, cause outside of those it was back below league average.

[coastalmarker99]

The Warriors didn't truly become a force until KD showed up and made Curry his Robin.


The Warriors ran riot on the NBA in 2015 and 2016 and were only a few plays away from having by far the greatest two year stretch by a team in NBA history.


To finish with a 140 to 24 record over two years in the regular season is insane.



They also went 31 and 14 in the playoffs during those two years.



And also had they beat the Cavs in 5 games in the 2016 finals.


They would have gone 32 and 11 in the playoffs from 2015 to 2016.



That would be a record of 172 wins to 35 losses over a two year span for the Warriors from 2015 and 2016 if you combine the regular season and postseason.



Still, the Warriors had to settle for having 171 wins to 38 losses over a two-year span from 2015 and 2016 if you combine the regular season and postseason.

[Mr. Woke]

The Warriors ran riot on the NBA in 2015 and 2016 and were only a few plays away from having by far the greatest two year stretch by a team in NBA history.


To finish with a 140 to 24 record over two years in the regular season is insane.



They also went 31 and 14 in the playoffs during those two years.



And also had they beat the Cavs in 5 games in the 2016 finals.


They would have gone 32 and 11 in the playoffs from 2015 to 2016.



That would be a record of 172 wins to 35 losses over a two year span for the Warriors from 2015 and 2016 if you combine the regular season and postseason.



Still, the Warriors have to settle for having 171 wins to 38 losses over a two-year span from 2015 and 2016 if you combine the regular season and postseason.

In the 2015 Finals, it took them six games to beat a Cavs team that only had LeBron for the entire series (Kyrie didn't play at all, and Love only played in one game).

The following year they blew a 3-1 lead.

Playoff basketball is a different animal in comparison to regular season basketball.

[coastalmarker99]

In the 2015 Finals, it took them six games to beat a Cavs team that only had LeBron for the entire series (Kyrie didn't play at all, and Love only played in one game).

The following year they blew a 3-1 lead.

Playoff basketball is a different animal in comparison to regular season basketball.


The Cavs victories in the 2015 finals were by 2, and 5 points while the Warriors in those finals had 8 point, 21 point, 13 and 8 point victories.


You just can't assume the Cavs could've won in 2015 in an alternate scenario in which Kyrie and Love were healthy.


Because the very next year the Cavs were getting utterly manhandled all season long by the Warriors.


Until Green's suspension flipped the 2016 finals on its head.

[ELITEpower23]

Curry is insane.


And how can you put KD over Curry after watching 2016? We all saw KD choke away a 3-1 lead to Curry and then JOIN him the next season. Pitiful.

[coastalmarker99]

In the 2015 Finals, it took them six games to beat a Cavs team that only had LeBron for the entire series (Kyrie didn't play at all, and Love only played in one game).

The following year they blew a 3-1 lead.

Playoff basketball is a different animal in comparison to regular season basketball.

Yes, the Cavaliers took the Warriors to 6 games in 2015.

But let me ask you this question and I want you to think about this for a moment: w


Why do you think the Cavaliers were able to take the Warriors to six games? Really think about that for a moment.

The Cavaliers had Irving in game 1 and forced the game into overtime. It was clear having that second option on offense was a huge benefit for LeBron and it helped the Cavaliers as a whole.


But when game 2 came around the corner, Irving was no longer around and yet Cleveland came out on top. And they even took game 3 as well.

It couldn't possibly be due to LeBron alone. Perhaps it was due to the fact that the Cavaliers were forced to become a do or die defensive-minded unit who had to play with literally everything they had just to come out with a victory?
Let's look at the positions.


Curry was being guarded by Delly who could run around the floor all night long like a maniac with no regard for him or anyone else around him. Klay was guarded by Shumpert who at that point was still a great defensive perimeter player.


Draymond was guarded by Thompson who was strong, lengthy and had enough mobility to keep up with Draymond so he was kept in check.

Bogut had Mozgov to deal with, and while Bogut was obviously a much better player, Mozgov was a very mobile seven-foot center who had long arms and decent defensive instincts.

My point in all of this? The moment Irving went down, the Warriors had no real match up advantages to work with for the next two games.

Even without that second all-star caliber player, Cleveland was able to stay in check and even squeak out two games because there weren't any real weaknesses to exploit.




Or at least, that's what appeared to be the case. In-game 4, Kerr decided to start Iggy and go small and just like that, the Cavaliers were ****ed. At that point, they had no chance of winning.


The Warriors could have just done this from the start and Cleveland would have been screwed.


They had no real answer to the Warriors going small ball.

[Mr. Woke]

The Cavs victories in the 2015 finals were by 2, and 5 points while the Warriors in those finals had 8 point, 21 point, 13 and 8 point victories.


You just can't assume the Cavs could've won in 2015 in an alternate scenario in which Kyrie and Love were healthy.


Because the very next year the Cavs were getting utterly manhandled all season long by the Warriors.


Until Green's suspension flipped the 2016 finals on its head.

Doesn't matter, a depleted Cavs team still beat the Warriors twice in the the 2015 finals.

Dray only missed one game lol. The Warriors simply couldn't get it done in 2016.

King James made them his bitch.

[Mr. Woke]

Yes, the Cavaliers took the Warriors to 6 games in 2015.

But let me ask you this question and I want you to think about this for a moment: w


Why do you think the Cavaliers were able to take the Warriors to six games? Really think about that for a moment.

The Cavaliers had Irving in game 1 and forced the game into overtime. It was clear having that second option on offense was a huge benefit for LeBron and it helped the Cavaliers as a whole.


But when game 2 came around the corner, Irving was no longer around and yet Cleveland came out on top. And they even took game 3 as well.

It couldn't possibly be due to LeBron alone. Perhaps it was due to the fact that the Cavaliers were forced to become a do or die defensive-minded unit who had to play with literally everything they had just to come out with a victory?
Let's look at the positions.


Curry was being guarded by Delly who could run around the floor all night long like a maniac with no regard for him or anyone else around him. Klay was guarded by Shumpert who at that point was still a great defensive perimeter player.


Draymond was guarded by Thompson who was strong, lengthy and had enough mobility to keep up with Draymond so he was kept in check.

Bogut had Mozgov to deal with, and while Bogut was obviously a much better player, Mozgov was a very mobile seven-foot center who had long arms and decent defensive instincts.

My point in all of this? The moment Irving went down, the Warriors had no real match up advantages to work with for the next two games.

Even without that second all-star caliber player, Cleveland was able to stay in check and even squeak out two games because there weren't any real weaknesses to exploit.




Or at least, that's what appeared to be the case. In-game 4, Kerr decided to start Iggy and go small and just like that, the Cavaliers were ****ed. At that point, they had no chance of winning.


The Warriors could have just done this from the start and Cleveland would have been screwed.


They had no real answer to the Warriors going small ball.

Doesn't matter, a depleted Cavs team still beat the Warriors twice in the the 2015 finals.

Dray only missed one game lol. The Warriors simply couldn't get it done in 2016.

King James made them his bitch.

[SouBeachTalents]

I got Curry for me personally.



He is the best shooter of all time and is more of a floor raiser and ceiling breaker than Durant is.
Of all the debates we have, LeBron/Jordan, Wilt/Russell, Magic/Bird, Shaq/Duncan etc., this just might be the toughest one for me. Durant is more capable of carrying a team individually and getting a bucket virtually anytime he wants, while Curry is more capable of elevating teams with his gravity and the defensive attention he receives.

Durant was almost peak Shaq scary against the Bucks, it really seemed like he was gonna win that series singlehandedly, and if his toe weren't on the line would have done so and in all honesty would have probably won the title as well. Meanwhile Curry carried the Warriors to historic heights before Durant ever showed up, winning 140 games over 2 seasons, and was literally 1 or 2 plays away from winning b2b titles.

When they played together, Durant was the leading scorer in both playoff runs, scored the bigger buckets and won FMVP both times, though I'm sure many would point to the Cavs awful defense, their defensive strategy of stopping Curry first, and all the favorable matchups and coverage Durant drew from that. But when they met h2h the season before, Curry's team not only beat Durant's, he outplayed him, including by a significant margin in Games 6 & 7, though I'm sure many would point to Curry having the better team.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/top-25-players-in-winning-percentage-with-at-least-500-career-games-played

winningest players ever:


1. Kawhi Leonard (0.745 W%)

2. Magic Johnson (0.740 W%)

3. Larry Bird (0.736 W%)

4. K.C. Jones (0.731 W%)

5. Michael Cooper (0.729 W%)

6. Tom Heinsohn (0.726 W%)

7. Manu Ginobili (0.721 W%)

8. Danny Green (0.720 W%)

9. Tim Duncan (0.719 W%)

10. Sam Jones (0.718 W%)

11. Bill Russell (0.717 W%)

12. Tony Parker (0.711 W%)

13. Frank Ramsey (0.705 W%)

14. Klay Thompson (0.702 W%)

15. Jim Loscutoff (0.701 W%)

16. Dennis Rodman (0.698 W%)

17. Tom Sanders (0.698 W%)

18. Kevin McHale (0.694 W%)

19. Danny Ainge (0.690 W%)

20. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (0.688 W%)

21. Scottie Pippen (0.688 W%)

22. David Robinson (0.682 W%)

23. Draymond Green (0.681 W%)

24. Ronnie Brewer (0.679 W%)

25. Shaquille O'Neal (0.679 W%)

I see Draymond and Klay on there.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/top-25-players-in-winning-percentage-with-at-least-500-career-games-played

winningest players ever:



I see Draymond and Klay on there.
Well when KC Jones & Danny Green are on there and LeBron & Jordan aren't, you know it's a legitimate list

[3ba11]

The thing I hate about Curry is that he's a regular season guy and not a Finals guy.. His peaks and "moments" are in the regular season, which must suck if you're a fan of him

[HoopsNY]

I got Curry for me personally.



He is the best shooter of all time and is more of a floor raiser and ceiling breaker than Durant is.


Warriors Record Without Kevin Durant vs. Without Stephen Curry


Courtesy of FS1’s Nick Wright



The Warriors are 35-8 when Curry plays and Durant doesn’t.



But on the other hand, the team has posted a 28-18 mark with Curry out of the lineup and Durant in – two records which equate to very different adjusted win totals.



The fact that the Warriors from 2017 to 2019 could lose a guy that's one of the best players in the NBA and still easily be the best team in the league is ridiculous and speaks to Curry's impact.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but you can't take Curry over Durant when Durant won FMVP both times they played together in the finals and won in 2017 and 2018. It's just counter-intuitive. Not to mention, Curry has been in five finals, and has zero FMVP awards.

In the playoffs:

Curry: 27/5/6/2/0 on 60% TS%
Durant: 30/8/4/1/1 on 62% TS%

In the finals:

Curry: 27/6/6/2/0 on 59% TS%
Durant: 30/8/5/1/2 on 67% TS%

Yea, the regular season impact numbers are nice, but KD more than makes up for it in the biggest moments. In fact, he flat out blows Steph out the water.

[3ba11]

Jordan with rookie Pippen = 50 wins and 2nd Round

Curry with 4 young Pippens = lottery


The Warriors' 1st mover advantage into the 3-point format is now gone, so Curry's brand of ball and stats are now empty, hence the lottery with 4 rookie Pippens

[hold this L]

It was the same thing this year. GS had a .22 win percentage in 9 games without Steph and a .59 win percentage in 63 games with him as he led the league in scoring and RPM.

Extrapolate those figures over a full season and you have the worst record in the NBA and the eighth-best record, respectively.

Even though the Warriors missed the playoffs last season it still shows how insanely valuable Curry is.

22+ places by adding Dingo to the mix. GOAT-tier impact

:bowdown:

[hold this L]

Doesn't matter, a depleted Cavs team still beat the Warriors twice in the the 2015 finals.

Dray only missed one game lol. The Warriors simply couldn't get it done in 2016.

King James made them his bitch.

The moron says doesn't matter when information goes against his garbage opinion. I like that you're still continuing your cringe-inducing woke persona, question is whose alt this clown is from which user.

[Axe]

With less than three former all-star teammates involved, impact or elevation by stephen curry is when he lets some of his teammates score higher than him in games and they'd win usually, like what happened with kelly oubre in the previous season. They went 4-1 in the first five games in which he did that feat while the warriors lost against the mavs when stephen curry outscored his teammates by a huge margin, as he tallied 57 points while letting luka score over 40 points that night.

[Mr. Woke]

The moron says doesn't matter when information goes against his garbage opinion. I like that you're still continuing your cringe-inducing woke persona, question is whose alt this clown is from which user.

Hello Patrick Chewing.

Don't get triggered just because your garbage opinion has zero merit.

[warriorfan]

Yes, the Cavaliers took the Warriors to 6 games in 2015.

But let me ask you this question and I want you to think about this for a moment: w


Why do you think the Cavaliers were able to take the Warriors to six games? Really think about that for a moment.

The Cavaliers had Irving in game 1 and forced the game into overtime. It was clear having that second option on offense was a huge benefit for LeBron and it helped the Cavaliers as a whole.


But when game 2 came around the corner, Irving was no longer around and yet Cleveland came out on top. And they even took game 3 as well.

It couldn't possibly be due to LeBron alone. Perhaps it was due to the fact that the Cavaliers were forced to become a do or die defensive-minded unit who had to play with literally everything they had just to come out with a victory?
Let's look at the positions.


Curry was being guarded by Delly who could run around the floor all night long like a maniac with no regard for him or anyone else around him. Klay was guarded by Shumpert who at that point was still a great defensive perimeter player.


Draymond was guarded by Thompson who was strong, lengthy and had enough mobility to keep up with Draymond so he was kept in check.

Bogut had Mozgov to deal with, and while Bogut was obviously a much better player, Mozgov was a very mobile seven-foot center who had long arms and decent defensive instincts.

My point in all of this? The moment Irving went down, the Warriors had no real match up advantages to work with for the next two games.

Even without that second all-star caliber player, Cleveland was able to stay in check and even squeak out two games because there weren't any real weaknesses to exploit.




Or at least, that's what appeared to be the case. In-game 4, Kerr decided to start Iggy and go small and just like that, the Cavaliers were ****ed. At that point, they had no chance of winning.


The Warriors could have just done this from the start and Cleveland would have been screwed.


They had no real answer to the Warriors going small ball.

+1

[Bronbron23]

The Warriors are 59-120 without Curry in his career (.33.0 winning percentage). Overall, 500-262 (.65.6) with him in the lineup.

The Bulls from 1985-1998 without Jordan were 111-107 (.50.9). Overall, 639-291 (.68.7) overall with him in the lineup.

The Spurs record from 1997-2016 without Duncan was 71-47 (.60.2). Overall, 1000-391 (.71.9) overall with him in the lineup.

And that's just to name a few.

What disingenuous stat. Most of these games are from 2 seasons. 11-12 and 2019-20. Using either for this stat is a joke. Sure the 11-12 warriors sucked without curry but they sucked with curry also. This wasn't the championship warriors squad with a dray and prime klay. That year without curry for 40 games the warriors went 23-43. In a 66 game season. The year before with curry the warriors went 36-46 in a regular 82 game season. If you add another 6 wins in the 16 games missed from 11-12 that's only a difference of 7 wins.

The 2019-20 season klay thompson missed the whole year so this you can basically take that whole season out of your stat.

Take away pip and mj and how many games do those bulls teams win. Take away robinson duncan and then parker and duncan and how many games do they win?

Stop being slick dude. Klay has almost the same impact as curry. We saw this play out in 16.

[Bronbron23]

Has smashed all of Michael Jordan’s records for +/- too

The Dingo.

Plus minus? Nice cherry picking. Meanwhile let's ignore 6 chips to 3. 6 fmvp's to 0. 5 mvps to 2. 10 scoring titles to 2 and a shit ton of defensive teams to 0. Lord knows what else I'm missing.

The denial is real:facepalm

[tpols]

Curry is easily the greatest offensive player of all time. Not a shock.

[Bronbron23]

Curry is easily the greatest offensive player of all time. Not a shock.

He's not even the best offensive player in his generation and wasn't even the best offensive player on his team for most of his chips. Man you guys are on one today:facepalm

[tpols]

Curry is easily the greatest offensive player of all time. Not a shock.


He's not even the best offensive player in his generation and wasn't even the best offensive player on his team for most of his chips. Man you guys are on one today:facepalm

I remember you said Dray had a great game in that play in game vs the Lakers this year... :oldlol:

where he scored 5 points on something like 0% shooting and let AD do 25/12. While Curry dropped almost 40 on elite shot making against doubles all game.

You can't speak on the Dubs or Curry son. Your knowledge is lacking.

[Manny98]

Curry's impact is so massive that the Warriors proceeded to miss the playoffs two consecutive years after KD leaves :facepalm

I love Curry and think he's arguably the greatest point guard ever but he's not better than KD

Stop it

[Shogon]

NBA isn't a 1 on 1 contest.

As such, Curry > Durant.

Curry is more comparable to Shaq than Durant ever has been or ever will be when we're talking about disrupting an opposing team's entire defensive identity.

Curry's consistent off ball movement, incredible ultra long range shooting and efficiency in the paint as a combo are unmatched in league history.

[FultzNationRISE]

NBA isn't a 1 on 1 contest.

As such, Curry > Durant.

Curry is more comparable to Shaq than Durant ever has been or ever will be when we're talking about disrupting an opposing team's entire defensive identity.

Curry's consistent off ball movement, incredible ultra long range shooting and efficiency in the paint as a combo are unmatched in league history.


What is your problem?

[j3lademaster]

Curry is easily the greatest offensive player of all time. Not a shock.For the regular season, easily.

[j3lademaster]

Curry's impact is so massive that the Warriors proceeded to miss the playoffs two consecutive years after KD leaves :facepalm

I love Curry and think he's arguably the greatest point guard ever but he's not better than KD

Stop itCurry played 5 games in 2020, Klay's been injured both seasons. It's not like all that happened to them was losing Durant. Warriors in 17-19 have better rosters minus KD and Curry than 2021 did minus Curry. And let's not act like they were some lottery team they barely missed the playoffs.

2021 Warrior's record without Curry? 2-7

As great as KD is he doesn't touch Steph's regular season impact. Playoffs are a different story, which is why I still give the nod to Durant based on his performance against the Bucks.

[Bronbron23]

I remember you said Dray had a great game in that play in game vs the Lakers this year... :oldlol:

where he scored 5 points on something like 0% shooting and let AD do 25/12. While Curry dropped almost 40 on elite shot making against doubles all game.

You can't speak on the Dubs or Curry son. Your knowledge is lacking.

Think i said he had a good game despite his stats. And ad scored about 4 or 6 points of those points on dray so good try. That irrelevant to this topic anyway although i don't blame u for ignoring it. Not much u can say really.

[Manny98]

Curry played 5 games in 2020, Klay's been injured both seasons. It's not like all that happened to them was losing Durant. Warriors in 17-19 have better rosters minus KD and Curry than 2021 did minus Curry. And let's not act like they were some lottery team they barely missed the playoffs.

2021 Warrior's record without Curry? 2-7

As great as KD is he doesn't touch Steph's regular season impact. Playoffs are a different story, which is why I still give the nod to Durant based on his performance against the Bucks.

Fair point.

[AirBonner]

Curry is another player erasing MJ from the record books

[Bronbron23]

NBA isn't a 1 on 1 contest.

As such, Curry > Durant.

Curry is more comparable to Shaq than Durant ever has been or ever will be when we're talking about disrupting an opposing team's entire defensive identity.

Curry's consistent off ball movement, incredible ultra long range shooting and efficiency in the paint as a combo are unmatched in league history.

How in the hell is he more comparable to shaq? Shaq was way more dominant than curry. Curry dominated one regular season. That's it. In 2016 curry was arguably the best player during the regular season. Bron was the best that year in the post season. Let that shit sink in for a second. curry wasn't even the best player in the world for a 1 full season. Shaq on the other hand was the best player for at least 3 full seasons.

[warriorfan]

Low iq meltdowns everywhere.

:lol

[warriorfan]

He needs help

https://33.media.tumblr.com/dce51ba843e4c5833396640743fa74e1/tumblr_nea1v3qKNb1s2j9azo1_500.gif

Do you want to play a game.

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm already playing

Nice to see youve got plans this Labor Day Weekend.

[Bronbron23]

Low iq meltdowns everywhere.

:lol

Typical response from an actual low iq poster. What's low iq is op using a 180 game sample size where half of those games klay also didn't play and then using another 40 games from the start of steph's career where the warriors were trash with or without steph to begin with.

And What's just as low iq is u actually agreed and thinks he made a good point:facepalm

[Warriorman]

Nice to see youve got plans this Labor Day Weekend.

I'll be bumping uglies while you'll be bumping stupid threads Chris

[FultzNationRISE]

I'll be bumping uglies while you'll be bumping stupid threads Chris

Whatever you need to tell yourself baby boi

[Stephonit]

Doesn't matter, a depleted Cavs team still beat the Warriors twice in the the 2015 finals.

That depleted Cavs team swept the Eastern Conference Finals. You saying it didn't deserve to be in the Finals?





In the finals:

Curry: 27/6/6/2/0 on 59% TS%
Durant: 30/8/5/1/2 on 67% TS%

Yea, the regular season impact numbers are nice, but KD more than makes up for it in the biggest moments. In fact, he flat out blows Steph out the water.

You mean Durant's TS% skyrocketed when he was playing with Curry? That tends to happen to Curry's teammates' TS%.

[warriorfan]

Typical response from an actual low iq poster. What's low iq is op using a 180 game sample size where half of those games klay also didn't play and then using another 40 games from the start of steph's career where the warriors were trash with or without steph to begin with.

And What's just as low iq is u actually agreed and thinks he made a good point:facepalm

U fuming

[hold this L]

Hello Patrick Chewing.

Don't get triggered just because your garbage opinion has zero merit.

Imagine being such a pathetic f*cking loser that you create an alt with a persona and follow through with it for years. You, Simon and Axe are the only people on ish that have been unaffected by corona, you've always been living in a basement and don't know what the sun looks like.

[Honor Boost]

Curry never looked amazing until he had Kevin Durant bailing out the pressure off of his back and you can see it with 2015 chip because everyone they played were injured and the 2016 chip you saw his crumble and his 2019 crumble. Steph Crumbly

[coastalmarker99]

Curry never looked amazing until he had Kevin Durant bailing out the pressure off of his back and you can see it with 2015 chip because everyone they played were injured and the 2016 chip you saw his crumble and his 2019 crumble. Steph Crumbly


I know how people on this forum say that Steph chokes in the Finals so I looked into it.

14/15 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 23.8 - 26.0

REB: 4.3 - 5.2

AST: 7.7 - 6.3


15/16 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 30.1 - 22.6

REB: 5.4 - 4.9

AST: 6.7 - 3.7


16/17 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 25.3 - 26.8

REB: 4.5 - 8.0

AST: 6.6 - 9.4


17/18 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 26.4 - 27.5

REB: 5.1 - 6.0

AST: 6.1 - 6.8


18/19 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 27.3 - 30.5

REB: 5.3 - 5.2

AST: 5.2 - 6.0

Again, where is the narrative that he doesn't perform in the finals come from?

Every year (except '16 where most agree was his worst performance) his stats are greater in the Finals.

[Honor Boost]

I know how people on this forum say that Steph chokes in the Finals so I looked into it.

14/15 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 23.8 - 26.0

REB: 4.3 - 5.2

AST: 7.7 - 6.3

15/16 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 30.1 - 22.6

REB: 5.4 - 4.9

AST: 6.7 - 3.7

16/17 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 25.3 - 26.8

REB: 4.5 - 8.0

AST: 6.6 - 9.4

17/18 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 26.4 - 27.5

REB: 5.1 - 6.0

AST: 6.1 - 6.8

18/19 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 27.3 - 30.5

REB: 5.3 - 5.2

AST: 5.2 - 6.0

Again, where is the narrative that he doesn't perform come from?

Every year (except '16 where most agree was his worst performance) his stats are greater in the Finals.

Im not saying Curry does not perform but I am saying he does not have abundance of Finals MVP votes and abundance of Finals MVPs. You can say he has a strong showcase of Finals but they did not lead him into votes or being best Finals player. He was usually 3rd or 4th best at times in the Finals and never 1st or 2nd best.

[coastalmarker99]

Curry never looked amazing until he had Kevin Durant bailing out the pressure off of his back and you can see it with 2015 chip because everyone they played were injured and the 2016 chip you saw his crumble and his 2019 crumble. Steph Crumbly

Stephen Curry in the 2019 NBA Finals:

30PTS /6 AST /5 REB on 60.2% TS



He's held to such high standards, so high that this performance was considered poor for him.

Just think about that for a while.

For comparison, LeBron James averaged 30p/9a/11r on 56.2% TS in the 2015-16 Finals - he won Finals MVP.

[coastalmarker99]

Im not saying Curry does not perform but I am saying he does not have abundance of Finals MVP votes and abundance of Finals MVPs. You can say he has a strong showcase of Finals but they did not lead him into votes or being best Finals player. He was usually 3rd or 4th best at times in the Finals and never 1st or 2nd best.



Curry was the best player in the 2015 finals and the 2018 finals.


He only had two bad games in those two finals which cost him the Finals MVP.



And anyway Steph Curry had better stats in the 2015 finals than Dirk did in the 2011 finals in which Dirk got the finals MVP award.



Here are their stat lines

Dirk 2011: 26/9/2 on 41/36/97

Steph 2015: 26/5/6 on 44/38/88

Also if you say "Dirk was way more clutch" Then I'll say Curry was also extremely clutch in the 2015 finals lol

[Honor Boost]

Curry was the best player in the 2015 finals and the 2018 finals.


He only had two bad games in those two finals which cost him the Finals MVP.



And anyway Steph Curry had better stats in the 2015 finals than Dirk did in the 2011 finals in which Dirk got the finals MVP award.



Here are their stat lines

Dirk 2011: 26/9/2 on 41/36/97

Steph 2015: 26/5/6 on 44/38/88

Also if you say "Dirk was way more clutch" Then I'll say Curry was also extremely clutch in the 2015 finals lol

Curry was not even the best player of his own team and certainly not better than LeBron in 2015 or 2018 so that puts him at 3rd for his two best Finals think about it .

[coastalmarker99]

Curry was not even the best player of his own team and certainly not better than LeBron in 2015 or 2018 so that puts him at 3rd for his two best Finals think about it .


:hammerhead:

Curry was by far the best player for the Warriors in the 2015 finals.


Curry averaged 10+ PPG on 70% TS in the fourth quarter of those finals.


Watch this video down below of Curry basically winning the series for the Warriors in game 5 of those finals.



Steph Curry 2015 Finals Game 5 - 37 Pts /7 /4 on 75 TS% and he scored 17 points in the 4th



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VCXMk7P-u4

[coastalmarker99]

Curry was not even the best player of his own team and certainly not better than LeBron in 2015 or 2018 so that puts him at 3rd for his two best Finals think about it .

So much of Iggy's offensive numbers in the 2015 finals were a direct result of the insane amount of attention Curry was attracting.


Of course, his defence was what won over the voters,



But at the end of the day, you aren't winning such an award without half-decent offensive numbers, and he has Curry to thank for that.



Those 6 assists Curry averaged in those finals do not show how many shots he created for his teammates which he did not get statistical credit for, how many times he attracted an extra defender to make a 4-on-3, etc.

[warriorfan]

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Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had one of the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille

[coastalmarker99]

Curry was not even the best player of his own team and certainly not better than LeBron in 2015 or 2018 so that puts him at 3rd for his two best Finals think about it .

Stephen Curry stats in the 2015 Finals (excluding the Game 2 loss)

27.4 points | 6.6 assists | 2.2 steals

53.1 2P% | 46.0 3P% | 88.9 FT% 61.1 eFG% | 64.1 TS%

The 2 highest 4th quarter scoring in the Finals in the last 20 years (Games 3 and 5)



And you dare say that he was not even the best player on his own team in the 2015 finals

[coastalmarker99]

Curry was not even the best player of his own team and certainly not better than LeBron in 2015 or 2018 so that puts him at 3rd for his two best Finals think about it .


In the 2019 finals

Kawhi: 28.5/10/4/2/1 on .60.6 TS

Curry: 30.5/5/6/1.5/0.2 ON .59.8 TS

Then when you compare their supporting cast it really adds the context to why Steph was the best player in the 2019 finals.

Aside from Klay who missed a lot of time, he was the only shooter that was often playing with G-league/end of bench-type players in Cook, McKinnie, Jerebko, etc.


Yet he managed to score slightly more on effectively the same efficiency with no spacing and any ability to rely on teammates consistently outside of Draymond.

whereas that Raptors team was very deep and healthy.

Curry lost Looney, lost KD, lost Klay.

you also have to consider the impact he had on the offence of others through his gravity, which Kawhi doesn't have.

Curry + comparable depth win those finals easily IMO

Kawhi's defence could've made up the gap but he was barely an above-average defender in that series and was no more than the 4th best defender on the raptors due to the size of his offensive load and fatigue.


he never really took over the series aside from that stretch of like b2b2b threes where he seemed dominant (but never for an entire game)

[j3lademaster]

I know how people on this forum say that Steph chokes in the Finals so I looked into it.

14/15 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 23.8 - 26.0

REB: 4.3 - 5.2

AST: 7.7 - 6.3


15/16 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 30.1 - 22.6

REB: 5.4 - 4.9

AST: 6.7 - 3.7


16/17 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 25.3 - 26.8

REB: 4.5 - 8.0

AST: 6.6 - 9.4


17/18 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 26.4 - 27.5

REB: 5.1 - 6.0

AST: 6.1 - 6.8


18/19 RS vs. Finals

PTS: 27.3 - 30.5

REB: 5.3 - 5.2

AST: 5.2 - 6.0

Again, where is the narrative that he doesn't perform in the finals come from?

Every year (except '16 where most agree was his worst performance) his stats are greater in the Finals.

It comes from 2016. In 2015 he failed to dominate a Delly matchup and padded stats in garbage time. 2016 he obviously shot poorly and had almost as many to’s as assists. The KD era in Golden state is hard to gauge. So much so people don’t bother to. 17 and 18 they dominated so much he was front running the whole time. 2019 he had that impressive almost 50 pt game and was pretty average outside of it.

We do have to put a few factors into context though.

1) We’re comparing him to the likes or the best players ever. So bars are set high and criticism can get nit picky.

2) at Curry’s worst, he’s still an insane impact on the game with his presence and gravity alone. Even in the finals when he shoots poorly. Anyone denying that is letting their hate get the best of them or just don’t get it(either way not worth debating with.

[warriorfan]

Curry was injured in the 2016 Finals. He slipped on a wet spot on the court and severely sprained his MCL during the series with the Rockets. During the season he lit the league on fire after having a great Finals in 2015. He didn’t just choke out of nowhere. He was visibly injured and not moving like normal. Look at the famous possession where he couldn’t even break down Kevin Love in a one on one iso on the perimeter at the end of the game. He wasn’t choking, he had no explosion and couldn’t move well latterly.



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This is how Curry was moving while healthy in 2016. Making prime Leonard look foolish.

https://media.giphy.com/media/vJJxhc46rAsnK/giphy.gif

Now compare that to footage of the 2016 Finals. He was clearly not 100 percent.

[Honor Boost]

In the 2019 finals

Kawhi: 28.5/10/4/2/1 on .60.6 TS

Curry: 30.5/5/6/1.5/0.2 ON .59.8 TS

Then when you compare their supporting cast it really adds the context to why Steph was the best player in the 2019 finals.

Aside from Klay who missed a lot of time, he was the only shooter that was often playing with G-league/end of bench-type players in Cook, McKinnie, Jerebko, etc.


Yet he managed to score slightly more on effectively the same efficiency with no spacing and any ability to rely on teammates consistently outside of Draymond.

whereas that Raptors team was very deep and healthy.

Curry lost Looney, lost KD, lost Klay.

you also have to consider the impact he had on the offence of others through his gravity, which Kawhi doesn't have.

Curry + comparable depth win those finals easily IMO

Kawhi's defence could've made up the gap but he was barely an above-average defender in that series and was no more than the 4th best defender on the raptors due to the size of his offensive load and fatigue.


he never really took over the series aside from that stretch of like b2b2b threes where he seemed dominant (but never for an entire game)

I stand corrected then you are right

[Bronbron23]

U fuming

If stating facts is fuming then sure lol. I actually don't even hate curry. I could care less if he really was the best offensive player ever or best player of his generation but he just isn't. I disagree when bron stans talk that shit but at least they have a legit argument. Steph dosn't have even a slight argument. He's more in the discussion with isiah thomas, Dwyane wade and dirk nowitzki and guys like that no shame in that, like steph they are great players but Just leave it there. Don't try and make steph into something he isn't. All u do is make people like me who normally wouldn't say anything about steph Start pointing out why he's not that guy.

[Axe]

If stating facts is fuming then sure lol. I actually don't even hate curry. I could care less if he really was the best offensive player ever or best player of his generation but he just isn't. I disagree when bron stans talk that shit but at least they have a legit argument. Steph dosn't have even a slight argument. He's more in the discussion with isiah thomas, Dwyane wade and dirk nowitzki and guys like that no shame in that, like steph they are great players but Just leave it there. Don't try and make steph into something he isn't. All u do is make people like me who normally wouldn't say anything about steph Start pointing out why he's not that guy.
Good points. Stephen curry doesn't have compelling cases over perennial playoff performers like kong. :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

Good points. Stephen curry doesn't have compelling cases over perennial playoff performers like kong. :cheers:

Yeah we saw what happened when bron and curry hooked up in 16. Bron absolutely neutered steph. I don't even like steph and i kind of felt bad for him after bron blocked him for the 8th time and yelled at him like steph was his child.

[j3lademaster]

Curry was injured in the 2016 Finals. He slipped on a wet spot on the court and severely sprained his MCL during the series with the Rockets. During the season he lit the league on fire after having a great Finals in 2015. He didn’t just choke out of nowhere. He was visibly injured and not moving like normal. Look at the famous possession where he couldn’t even break down Kevin Love in a one on one iso on the perimeter at the end of the game. He wasn’t choking, he had no explosion and couldn’t move well latterly.



https://sa1s3optim.patientpop.com/assets/images/provider/photos/1996217.jpg

This is how Curry was moving while healthy in 2016. Making prime Leonard look foolish.

https://media.giphy.com/media/vJJxhc46rAsnK/giphy.gif

Now compare that to footage of the 2016 Finals. He was clearly not 100 percent.no ones 100% in the finals. Curry was healthy enough, thats not an excuse.

https://tenor.com/boftC.gif

He was slouching his shoulders and was visibly shook and disinterested. Dude choked, just move on and root for a redemption finals.

[Axe]

Yeah we saw what happened when bron and curry hooked up in 16. Bron absolutely neutered steph. I don't even like steph and i kind of felt bad for him after bron blocked him for the 8th time and yelled at him like steph was his child.
There's a big reason why his finals mvp count remain at zero lol.

[hold this L]

In the 2019 finals

Kawhi: 28.5/10/4/2/1 on .60.6 TS

Curry: 30.5/5/6/1.5/0.2 ON .59.8 TS

Then when you compare their supporting cast it really adds the context to why Steph was the best player in the 2019 finals.

Aside from Klay who missed a lot of time, he was the only shooter that was often playing with G-league/end of bench-type players in Cook, McKinnie, Jerebko, etc.


Yet he managed to score slightly more on effectively the same efficiency with no spacing and any ability to rely on teammates consistently outside of Draymond.

whereas that Raptors team was very deep and healthy.

Curry lost Looney, lost KD, lost Klay.

you also have to consider the impact he had on the offence of others through his gravity, which Kawhi doesn't have.

Curry + comparable depth win those finals easily IMO

Kawhi's defence could've made up the gap but he was barely an above-average defender in that series and was no more than the 4th best defender on the raptors due to the size of his offensive load and fatigue.


he never really took over the series aside from that stretch of like b2b2b threes where he seemed dominant (but never for an entire game)

6/8 best players on that team were either injured or played injured. Raptors played the most injury-prone team ever in a finals, which is why they were able to pull a high school tactic on the Chef with the box and 1.

Don't want to detract from the Raptor's win, Warriors in 15' finals had huge luck & Lakers in 19' finals as well. Playoff champions are generally won in the battle of attrition.

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Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had one of the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille

LOL @ Steff needing screens on Delly to get open.

[Axe]

LOL @ Steff needing screens on Delly to get open.
Yikes. No screen, no dingo mode.

[000]

Agree with this thread absolutely.

[CountDracula]

The War is over Curry, you can rest now, go with God Brother, go with God!

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