K. Love '16 Finals = 8.5 ppg on 36%

[ELITEpower23]

:lol

[SaintzFury13]

But according to some poster who is a Durant stan, I thought LeBron couldn't win without super teams?

[8Ball]

In before "LeBron did that to him while winning a championship"

[Manny98]

Love the season before playing for the Cavs

4th in scoring
3rd in rebounds
4th in WS/48
2nd in BPM (ahead of LeBron)
3rd in VOR (only KD and Lebron were ahead)
3rd in PER

Love was a legit top 5 player in the NBA prior to having to completely sacrifice his game to accommodate Lebron ball

[SaintzFury13]

Love the season before playing for the Cavs

4th in scoring
3rd in rebounds
4th in WS/48
2nd in BPM (ahead of LeBron)
3rd in VOR (only KD and Lebron were ahead)
3rd in PER

Love was a legit top 5 player in the NBA prior to having to completely sacrifice his game to accommodate Lebron ball

So in other words they aren't a super team.

[Manny98]

So in other words they aren't a super team.
Love and Lebron were both considered top 5 players in 2014

Plus budding superstar Kyrie

Looks like a Superteam to me

[ELITEpower23]

Love the season before playing for the Cavs

4th in scoring
3rd in rebounds
4th in WS/48
2nd in BPM (ahead of LeBron)
3rd in VOR (only KD and Lebron were ahead)
3rd in PER

Love was a legit top 5 player in the NBA prior to having to completely sacrifice his game to accommodate Lebron ball

What does the word legit mean to you?

I believe in No Child Left Behind so instead of bullying you I'm going to attempt to educate you. Here's your homework assignment:

https://i.postimg.cc/wjfLNY9q/No-Child-Left-Behind.png

[Kblaze8855]

Love and Lebron were both considered top 5 players in 2014

Plus budding superstar Kyrie

Looks like a Superteam to me


Thata one of those things easier to say when we don’t have a record of what people thought to refer to…..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?322314-Is-Kevin-Love-a-superstar




Thats 2014. Hardly seems to be any consensus. Kinda like KAT now I’d say though KAT is probably more talented.

[Manny98]

Thata one of those things easier to say when we don’t have a record of what people thought to refer to…..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?322314-Is-Kevin-Love-a-superstar




Thats 2014. Hardly seems to be any consensus. Kinda like KAT now I’d say though KAT is probably more talented.
Fair enough, superstar might be putting it too far

But the point remains that the Cavs were favorites to win when they got together and we're considered a superteam

[Sportal]

Love the season before playing for the Cavs

4th in scoring
3rd in rebounds
4th in WS/48
2nd in BPM (ahead of LeBron)
3rd in VOR (only KD and Lebron were ahead)
3rd in PER

Love was a legit top 5 player in the NBA prior to having to completely sacrifice his game to accommodate Lebron ball

What team did he play for and how well did they do in the playoffs before he joined LeBron??

Muppet.

[ELITEpower23]

What does the word legit mean to you?

I believe in 'No Child Left Behind' so instead of bullying you I'm going to attempt to educate you. Here's your homework assignment:

https://i.postimg.cc/wjfLNY9q/No-Child-Left-Behind.png

Manny, you now have 50 minutes left to complete your educational assignment. Don't be late.

[tpols]

In October 2014 before the season started and at their inception, the Cavs were massive favorites to win the title at +275. The team that beat them that year was taking bets at +2800.

Kevin Love averaged 26/13 on supreme efficiency in 2014 and he was a rebounding champion at 6'7.

You don't get a cookie for destroying a guys game and underachieving on your team expectations and ceiling.

[ELITEpower23]

In October 2014 before the season started and at their inception, the Cavs were massive favorites to win the title at +275. The team that beat them that year was taking bets at +2800.

Kevin Love averaged 26/13 on supreme efficiency in 2014 and he was a rebounding champion at 6'7.

You don't get a cookie for destroying a guys game and underachieving on your team expectations and ceiling.

Another student--Beautiful! The door is open for education so come on in. Here's your homework assignment. You have one hour.

https://i.postimg.cc/3w04DyL1/No-Child-Left-Behind-2.png

[Sportal]

These people talking about LeBron doing this to Kevin Love... Let's take the #4 PER last season, and put them on that Cavs team... Do you honestly think Zion is going to score 8ppg... Lmfao. What has Kevin Love done after LeBron? Is it empty stats like he had with the Timberwolves?

[tpols]

When the best players on your team are Ricky Rubio and pekovic (where the fook did that guy go?) nobody making the playoffs in that brutal western conference. Lebron missed the playoffs in the West with Brandon Ingram, Lonzo, and Rondo. Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings were making the playoffs out east. Put your thinking cap on son... help and competition need to be accounted for.

[Sportal]

When the best players on your team are Ricky Rubio and pekovic (where the fook did that guy go?) nobody making the playoffs in that brutal western conference. Lebron missed the playoffs in the West with Brandon Ingram, Lonzo, and Rondo. Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings were making the playoffs out east. Put your thinking cap on son... help and competition need to be accounted for.

Look at the career stats of Pekovic and Big Z, and, Rubio and Mo Williams... You expected LeBron to win NBA Championships with these players, but Kevin Love can't make the playoffs? Cmon now...

[ELITEpower23]

When the best players on your team are Ricky Rubio and pekovic (where the fook did that guy go?) nobody making the playoffs in that brutal western conference. Lebron missed the playoffs in the West with Brandon Ingram, Lonzo, and Rondo. Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings were making the playoffs out east. Put your thinking cap on son... help and competition need to be accounted for.

Tpols, thank you for submission; however, you did deviate from the assignment but I'll allow a follow up response. I'll repeat the seemingly difficult-to-answer question once more so as to avoid confusion.

What was your favorite Kevin Love playoff moment during his six years prior to playing with LeBron?

I've extended your allotted time, you now have an additional 60 minutes to reply.

-Professor Elite

[tpols]

Look at the career stats of Pekovic and Big Z, and, Rubio and Mo Williams... You expected LeBron to win NBA Championships with these players, but Kevin Love can't make the playoffs? Cmon now...

Big Z made a couple All Star games. Pekovic was a role player who was in and out of the league. Cavs also had way better defensive personnel. Their defenses were finishing elite even before lebron was known as a good defender ('08 and before) The east was also a historical joke compared to the west. So you need to apply context. Of course lebron is better than love and could take a team farther. That doesnt mean much here since it doesnt discount Kevin love was a star pre cleveland. The two arent mutually exclusive.

[Hey Yo]

When the best players on your team are Ricky Rubio and pekovic (where the fook did that guy go?) nobody making the playoffs in that brutal western conference. Lebron missed the playoffs in the West with Brandon Ingram, Lonzo, and Rondo. Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings were making the playoffs out east. Put your thinking cap on son... help and competition need to be accounted for.

Weak trolling is weak.

[SaintzFury13]

Love and Lebron were both considered top 5 players in 2014

Plus budding superstar Kyrie

Looks like a Superteam to me

No one considered Kevin Love a top 5 player in the NBA in 2014.

Top 10? Sure. But not top 5. Stop with your revisionist history nonsense.

[Hey Yo]

Big Z made a couple All Star games. Pekovic was a role player who was in and out of the league. Cavs also had way better defensive personnel. Their defenses were finishing elite even before lebron was known as a good defender ('08 and before) The east was also a historical joke compared to the west. So you need to apply context. Of course lebron is better than love and could take a team farther. That doesnt mean much here since it doesnt discount Kevin love was a star pre cleveland. The two arent mutually exclusive.

If the East was an historical joke... then why do you consider Bosh a superstar with Toronto who only won 3 playoff games in his first 7yrs?

[ELITEpower23]

#FRIENDLY REMINDER MANNY, You now have 25 minutes left to respond.#

What does the word legit mean to you?

I believe in No Child Left Behind so instead of bullying you I'm going to attempt to educate you. Here's your homework assignment:

https://i.postimg.cc/wjfLNY9q/No-Child-Left-Behind.png

Please do not be scared to respond as this is only Class 1 and we have many more to go in order to get you up to speed.

-Professor Elite

[tpols]

If the East was an historical joke... then why do you consider Bosh a superstar with Toronto who only won 3 playoff games in his first 7yrs?

Best player Bosh was with was tj ford and bargnani. His raptor help was even more of a joke. Makes those early Cleveland teams with all stars Big Z, Mo Will, Jamison and all defensive players Andy V, and Larry Hughes look like super teams.

[SaintzFury13]

Best player Bosh was with was tj ford and bargnani. His raptor help was even more of a joke. Makes those early Cleveland teams with all stars Big Z, Mo Will, Jamison and all defensive players Andy V, and Larry Hughes look like super teams.

Big Z's all star days were far and gone by the time 2008 rolled around the corner. Mo Williams? He was good at one thing and only became an all star due to injury replacement. Jamison? The guy who got his shit wrecked by Kevin Garnett in the playoffs in 2010? And Larry Hughes was literally plagued with injuries the moment he came to Cleveland.

Varejao is the only one I'll give you, and he was very good in 2010 don't get me wrong. But that was not the answer LeBron needed to reach the next step.

[Hey Yo]

Best player Bosh was with was tj ford and bargnani. His raptor help was even more of a joke. Makes those early Cleveland teams with all stars Big Z, Mo Will, Jamison and all defensive players Andy V, and Larry Hughes look like super teams.

So you considered Bosh a superstar because of who he had on his team?

[tpols]

So you considered Bosh a superstar because of who he had on his team?

Chico you referenced the Raptors record out east with Bosh. I'm telling you why they only made the playoffs once. His help was factually all time bad in Toronto. Lebrons wasn't great but it was a B- or C+. Raptors help was a straight D or even F. Ditto Loves help on Minnesota.

[ArbitraryWater]

game changer

[ELITEpower23]

game changer

Gottem shook :oldlol: It's 2ez for LeFam

[warriorfan]

Op averages 8.5 times leaving his house per year.

[ELITEpower23]

Op averages 8.5 times leaving his house per year.

https://i.postimg.cc/0NcY5rjT/Welfare_Ash_stairs.png

https://i.postimg.cc/DzLz5NkB/welfare_ashy.png

[Hey Yo]

Chico you referenced the Raptors record out east with Bosh. I'm telling you why they only made the playoffs once. His help was factually all time bad in Toronto. Lebrons wasn't great but it was a B- or C+. Raptors help was a straight D or even F. Ditto Loves help on Minnesota.

So why did you consider him a superstar while playing in an historical joke conference who couldn't make the playoffs?

[ELITEpower23]

So why did you consider him a superstar while playing in an historical joke conference who couldn't make the playoffs?

Because he's a f*cking retard :oldlol:

[tpols]

So why did you consider him a superstar while playing in an historical joke conference who couldn't make the playoffs?

He did make the playoffs lol... the Raptors actually won more playoff games in the mid 00s than Paus Grizzly teams. (who were better but also played better competition)

Love, Bosh, Pau are All NBA caliber multiple All Star types. Any team that has a prime All NBA player as their 3rd option is a super team and it was reflected in their odds and expectations when they joined up. That's just the facts. +275 title favorites. Cavs were favorites going into 2016 as well.

[warriorfan]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/4/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

[warriorfan]

In his last season in Minny before playing with LeBron James, Kevin Love averaged 26.1/12.5/4.4/.591 TS%

The only 2 players to ever have that stat line are

https://i.postimg.cc/MHK1G4DZ/FC2-E0-D3-D-B0-C6-4978-B091-479490-FB49-DE.jpg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=26.1&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=12.5&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4.4&c4stat=ts_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.591&order_by=ws

1. Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 72
2. Kevin Love 14

[Manny98]

In his last season in Minny before playing with LeBron James, Kevin Love averaged 26.1/12.5/4.4/.591 TS%

The only 2 players to ever have that stat line are

https://i.postimg.cc/MHK1G4DZ/FC2-E0-D3-D-B0-C6-4978-B091-479490-FB49-DE.jpg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=26.1&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=12.5&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4.4&c4stat=ts_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.591&order_by=ws

1. Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 72
2. Kevin Love 14

:bowdown::bowdown:

[SaintzFury13]

Any team that has a prime All NBA player as their 3rd option is a super team

And this right here is exactly why your logic doesn't work. In order for that to be true, said all NBA player has to play within the boundaries that made him an all NBA player to begin with, unless he can make adjustments in order to impact the game in other ways. The truth of the matter is, people still to this day don't realize how limited Kevin Love became in Cleveland. He was forced to become the third option behind a guy he was a better offensive player than. Imagine Dwayne Wade having to do that with Bosh when he (bosh) came to Miami. But the thing is, Wade could still play elite level defense. Love couldn't. All Kevin Love was when he first came to Cleveland was a stretch four who could rebound extremely well. Does that sound like an All NBA player to you?


Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/4/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won



Pau Gasol was a much better defensive player than both Bosh and Love and was far more skilled.

Also, LeBron didn't "need" Love as a third option. I don't know why people continue to make this claim. The very topic of this thread is about how bad of a "third option" Kevin Love was in the finals that LeBron won with Cleveland. Now granted, Kevin was concussed for most of the series, so that's not his fault. But that's just further proof that LeBron didn't "need" an all NBA player as his third option to win, because he literally did it without him.

Oh and just to make it even more fun, let's talk Bosh for a second shall we? (since you guys love using stats without using context)

2012 NBA Finals averages: 14.6 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.2 BPG.
2013 NBA Finals averages: 11.9 PPG, 8.9 RPG, 1.6 BPG.

Stats that he could have gotten from a really good role player. Oh and by the way, Kevin Love's stats in 2017 were the best third option stats LeBron ever got in an NBA finals series and his team still lost in five games.

"BuT lEbRoN nEeDeD aN aLl NbA tHiRd OpTiOn"

The morons on this site sometimes.

[8Ball]

Love and Lebron were both considered top 5 players in 2014

Plus budding superstar Kyrie

Looks like a Superteam to me

You were 11 years old in 2014. :lol

"Big Z was a stretch 5 player" - Manny98

You were 6 years when Big Z was playing :oldlol:

[Manny98]

You were 11 years old in 2014. :lol

"Big Z was a stretch 5 player" - Manny98

You were 6 years when Big Z was playing :oldlol:

I thought the 98 in my username would give away my age :oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

You were 11 years old in 2014. :lol

"Big Z was a stretch 5 player" - Manny98

You were 6 years when Big Z was playing :oldlol:

Brutal :oldlol:

[8Ball]

I thought the 98 in my username would give away my age :oldlol:

"Big Z is a stretch 5 player"

[tpols]

Does that sound like an All NBA player to you?



When a player has factually made All NBA team and multiple All Star teams on his own ...yes that does sound like an All NBA player to me. Its a verifiable fact.

Your beef is fit... not talent. And we know where that lack of fit stems from.

There's never been a team in the history of the NBA that had 3 guys who have all made All NBA teams in their primes and weren't considered to be a super team. Period.

[Manny98]

"Big Z is a stretch 5 player"
He was a stretch 5 you inbred moron

Watch his games, he was mainly a mid range jumpshooter on those Cavs teams :facepalm

[SaintzFury13]

When a player has factually made All NBA team and multiple All Star teams on his own ...yes that does sound like an All NBA player to me. Its a verifiable fact.

Your beef is fit... not talent. And we know where that lack of fit stems from.

There's never been a team in the history of the NBA that had 3 guys who have all made All NBA teams in their primes and weren't considered to be a super team. Period.

Well for one thing, Kyrie Irving was not in his prime. He was 24 years old when LeBron came back to Cleveland and 26 when he was traded to Boston.

But for another, I don't care about the fact that Love was an all NBA player at one point. When your third best players production can be replicated by Channing Frye of all people, you do not have a super team. And if that is in fact all that's needed to make a super team, then we need to stop pretending that being on one in anyway devalues LeBron's title in Cleveland, because this so called super team had a lot of flaws with it.

[StrongLurk]

Those 15-17 Cavs were superteams due to how great Lebron is. You can't give Lebron players like Kyrie/Love and then claim they aren't a superteam while at the same time claiming Lebron is a top 3 GOAT of all time.

Pretty much every dynasty ever was a superteam relative to the era they played in. Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Russell's Celtics, MJ's second three-peat bulls, KD/Curry Warriors, KD Nets, etc.

The Lebron stans need to admit that Lebron 2011-2017 was on superteams.

How do the Lebron stans claim the 08 Celtics are a superteam but the 15-17 Cavs aren't?

[Hey Yo]

He did make the playoffs lol... the Raptors actually won more playoff games in the mid 00s than Paus Grizzly teams. (who were better but also played better competition)

Love, Bosh, Pau are All NBA caliber multiple All Star types. Any team that has a prime All NBA player as their 3rd option is a super team and it was reflected in their odds and expectations when they joined up. That's just the facts. +275 title favorites. Cavs were favorites going into 2016 as well.
He won 3 playoff games in 7yrs in what you called an historical joke conference.

That's not what a superstar does yet you called him one. Can't have it both ways.

[SaintzFury13]

Those 15-17 Cavs were superteams due to how great Lebron is. You can't give Lebron players like Kyrie/Love and then claim they aren't a superteam while at the same time claiming Lebron is a top 3 GOAT of all time.

Pretty much every dynasty ever was a superteam relative to the era they played in. Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Russell's Celtics, MJ's second three-peat bulls, KD/Curry Warriors, KD Nets, etc.

The Lebron stans need to admit that Lebron 2011-2017 was on superteams.

How do the Lebron stans claim the 08 Celtics are a superteam but the 15-17 Cavs aren't?

Celtics had a lot more depth and fit a hell of a lot better together.

I don't care how many stars are on one team. If you aren't even a good defensive team, then you aren't a super team.

[deathawaitu]

Kyrie scored 40 points on 80%fg in game 1

Lol no other superstar had that kind of help. Lecarried

[Pip' N Rodman]

LeBron didn't have any all-stars when he won in 2016 and thats a fact

[ELITEpower23]

Kyrie scored 40 points on 80%fg in game 1

Lol no other superstar had that kind of help. Lecarried

A) This thread is about Kevin Love not Kyrie

B) Kyrie did not score 40 in game 1 of the 2016 Finals, he scored 26

C) Stop being retarded

[SaintzFury13]

Kyrie scored 40 points on 80%fg in game 1

Lol no other superstar had that kind of help. Lecarried

I hope you aren't referring to the 2016 NBA Finals, because no he didn't.

In fact, what the hell are you talking about?

Kyrie never had those numbers in any of the three game 1s of an NBA finals that he's had. In fact he never even cracked 30 points. And LeBron score more points in all three of them.

So where the hell are you getting your facts from?

[warriorfan]

And this right here is exactly why your logic doesn't work. In order for that to be true, said all NBA player has to play within the boundaries that made him an all NBA player to begin with, unless he can make adjustments in order to impact the game in other ways. The truth of the matter is, people still to this day don't realize how limited Kevin Love became in Cleveland. He was forced to become the third option behind a guy he was a better offensive player than. Imagine Dwayne Wade having to do that with Bosh when he (bosh) came to Miami. But the thing is, Wade could still play elite level defense. Love couldn't. All Kevin Love was when he first came to Cleveland was a stretch four who could rebound extremely well. Does that sound like an All NBA player to you?



Pau Gasol was a much better defensive player than both Bosh and Love and was far more skilled.

Also, LeBron didn't "need" Love as a third option. I don't know why people continue to make this claim. The very topic of this thread is about how bad of a "third option" Kevin Love was in the finals that LeBron won with Cleveland. Now granted, Kevin was concussed for most of the series, so that's not his fault. But that's just further proof that LeBron didn't "need" an all NBA player as his third option to win, because he literally did it without him.

Oh and just to make it even more fun, let's talk Bosh for a second shall we? (since you guys love using stats without using context)

2012 NBA Finals averages: 14.6 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.2 BPG.
2013 NBA Finals averages: 11.9 PPG, 8.9 RPG, 1.6 BPG.

Stats that he could have gotten from a really good role player. Oh and by the way, Kevin Love's stats in 2017 were the best third option stats LeBron ever got in an NBA finals series and his team still lost in five games.

"BuT lEbRoN nEeDeD aN aLl NbA tHiRd OpTiOn"

The morons on this site sometimes.

What a shitty post. Absolutely fuming.

[StrongLurk]

Celtics had a lot more depth and fit a hell of a lot better together.

I don't care how many stars are on one team. If you aren't even a good defensive team, then you aren't a super team.

I feel like you are intentionally trying to change the common definition of superteam.

Not all superteams are successful or win chips, but they are usually flush with talent, especially if the stars on in their prime.

Plenty of superteams have weaknesses at some part of basketball, could be rebounding, interior defense, shooting, etc.

2014 - Love was second all-nba, Kyrie was an all-star. 2015 - Kyrie was third team all-nba and Kevin Love was an all star. And Lebron James was still in the middle of his prime...come on man stop being such a Lebron stan. Standom is what ruins people's entire posting ability.

I mean, the 2021 Nets weren't a good defensive team...so you're telling me KD, Kyrie and Harden together doesn't make a superteam? That's laughable.

[Hey Yo]

Kevin Love wasnt named to the 2015 all star team.

[StrongLurk]

Kevin Love wasnt named to the 2015 all star team.

Which was completely ridiculous. He clearly deserved a spot, just like Curry deserved FMVP in 2015. Love was an all-star level player. He was healthy in 2015 and was literally just on the all-nba second team the year before lol.

[SaintzFury13]

What a shitty post. Absolutely fuming.

Explain why then, assuming you have the balls to do it.


I feel like you are intentionally trying to change the common definition of superteam.

No, I am simply using their own logic against them. If we are going to act like having a superteam is somehow a knock against a players championship win, then I am automatically going to disqualify any team that has legitimate weaknesses that can be exploited from being a superteam, because apparently being on one is some kind of unfair advantage that guarantees a title win according to their logic.


Not all superteams are successful or win chips, but they are usually flush with talent, especially if the stars on in their prime

Yeah, just like any other regular championship team. So I guess most of the title winning teams in NBA history are superteams now.


2014 - Love was second all-nba, Kyrie was an all-star. 2015 - Kyrie was third team all-nba and Kevin Love was an all star. And Lebron James was still in the middle of his prime...come on man stop being such a Lebron stan. Standom is what ruins people's entire posting ability.

First off, no he wasn't. Kevin Love didn't become an all star in Cleveland until 2017, and that only happened after Lue took over and integrated a system that allowed Kevin Love more touches and freedom to play in the post where he was at his best. A stan probably wouldn't know that though.

Second, it's not a matter of standom. It's a matter of logic. If an all NBA player comes to a team and is playing a completely different style than the one that made him an All NBA player in the first place, then he's not an all NBA player at that point. By the end of 2015 almost everyone agreed that Kevin Love wasn't even a top five PF in the league anymore, despite the fact that he still had the tools to play like one. Of course people considered Cleveland a superteam when they first formed, I am not denying that. But the simple fact of the matter is they were not a superteam. They weren't even a top 3 team in the East halfway through the season.

Third, as a fan of LeBron, why would fandom prevent me from acknowledging that he played on a superteam in Cleveland? I have no problem acknowledging that he played on one in Miami. It wouldn't hold any weight anyways because LeBron's finals opponents in Cleveland were always superior and in the one series that he did win, Kevin Love barely played. So where does the standom argument come into play here? I state that he didn't play on one because he didn't. It's as simple as that.


I mean, the 2021 Nets weren't a good defensive team...so you're telling me KD, Kyrie and Harden together doesn't make a superteam? That's laughable.

Yes, I am outright telling you that those three together doesn't make a superteam. If three guys who all need the ball in their hands to be at their best are on the same team, they not only aren't a superteam, but they are more of a liability to their team than anything else.

[StrongLurk]

Explain why then, assuming you have the balls to do it.



No, I am simply using their own logic against them. If we are going to act like having a superteam is somehow a knock against a players championship win, then I am automatically going to disqualify any team that has legitimate weaknesses that can be exploited from being a superteam, because apparently being on one is some kind of unfair advantage that guarantees a title win according to their logic.



Yeah, just like any other regular championship team. So I guess most of the title winning teams in NBA history are superteams now.



First off, no he wasn't. Kevin Love didn't become an all star in Cleveland until 2017, and that only happened after Lue took over and integrated a system that allowed Kevin Love more touches and freedom to play in the post where he was at his best. A stan probably wouldn't know that though.

Second, it's not a matter of standom. It's a matter of logic. If an all NBA player comes to a team and is playing a completely different style than the one that made him an All NBA player in the first place, then he's not an all NBA player at that point. By the end of 2015 almost everyone agreed that Kevin Love wasn't even a top five PF in the league anymore, despite the fact that he still had the tools to play like one. Of course people considered Cleveland a superteam when they first formed, I am not denying that. But the simple fact of the matter is they were not a superteam. They weren't even a top 3 team in the East halfway through the season.

Third, as a fan of LeBron, why would fandom prevent me from acknowledging that he played on a superteam in Cleveland? I have no problem acknowledging that he played on one in Miami. It wouldn't hold any weight anyways because LeBron's finals opponents in Cleveland were always superior and in the one series that he did win, Kevin Love barely played. So where does the standom argument come into play here? I state that he didn't play on one because he didn't. It's as simple as that.



Yes, I am outright telling you that those three together doesn't make a superteam. If three guys who all need the ball in their hands to be at their best are on the same team, they not only aren't a superteam, but they are more of a liability to their team than anything else.

What teams do you consider to be superteams since 2000? I'll bet if you actually have to list them then you'll be inconsistent with your reasoning.